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valMichael says:
(Wed Aug 20 13:57:48 2014 98.195.92.226) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Pnthr44, James Marsters, Kylia, Liddie, LouWho, Raptamama, Strangest girl, and zorrem!

YAY monique!

deadguy QOD
Yea, why not all of them?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 20 13:53:59 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Yay monique!

deadguy memorial qod

I would love to see Joss Whedon himself take that challenge. Payback for all the times he's given us pain!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!


lostinamerica I had heard/read that wind turbines kill birds too. Hard up there for our feathered friends.



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KAM says:
(Wed Aug 20 12:56:20 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY MONIQUE

Deadguy QOD
: No Opinion. I'd rather there be less stunts in the world and more substance.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ShadowQuest says:
(Wed Aug 20 12:39:11 2014 74.33.112.169) [Edit/Delete]
Early morning "I don't want to go to jury selection" zoom through

YayOftheDay David Boreanaz, Eliza Dushku, Nathan Fillion, Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston and Robert Downey, Junior have all taken the challenge. (We can count the last three as Whedonverse actors because of The Avengers.)

I have a feeling Tony Head would be a total good sport about it if he were challenged. Actually, I can't think of anyone in the 'verse who wouldn't do it, with the possible exception of Charisma - I don't know much about her, so I don't know if she'd do something like this.

Someone should challenge Joss - it might have a cascading effect, pardon the pun. How awesome would it be if he could get all his cast members and staff to take part?

Zoom, zoom



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Aug 20 12:29:11 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Huh. . .looks like there's a cost to everything:

Solar Farm Scorching Birds



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Aug 20 11:57:03 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for monique!

yay monique!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the a.l.s. ice bucket challenge

so far the only whedonversers I've seen do the a.l.s. ice bucket challenge is eliza and nathan - who do you want to see do it?


ps - does mark sheppard count as a whedonverser cause he kinda challenged me - yes there's a video on fb of me doing the challenge - when nathan was asked why he challenged tom hiddleston he said "for the women of the world... you're welcome"

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 20 11:55:04 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, August 20th 2014 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Pnthr44
James Marsters - the vampire Spike
Kylia
Liddie
LouWho
Raptamama
StrangestGirl
zorrem


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Pnthr44, James Marsters, Kylia, Liddie, LouWho, Raptamama, Strangest girl, zorrem!



You know, it's funny. We went to war never looking to come back, but it's the real world I couldn't survive.
Tracy, 'The Message'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 20 02:42:42 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

I only passed on the words of the Cheese Man.

More words of wisdom ...

ANGEL
That's everything, huh? No weapons, no friends.
No hope. Take all that away and what's left?

Buffy stares at him, his words hitting home. She looks exhausted, and terribly sad. She shuts her eyes.

He lunges, shooting his arm out, the sword straight at her face.

Without opening her eyes she slams the cheese together over the blade, stopping it an inch from her face.

She opens her eyes.


BUFFY
Cheese.



*g*


From the shooting script, with slight modification, of Becoming 2, courtesy of Buffyworld.com



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 20 02:41:53 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
I hope everyone is having a good meeting!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 20 01:23:44 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Home 2, electric boogaloo



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 19 22:58:00 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 19 22:58:28 2014
Got conscripted to help a friend with a project tonight, at least it is only for tonight!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 19 20:50:28 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Questions: What is the last phrase in the episode 'Restless'?
Answer: "You haven't even begun."

Trivia Scriptwriters: OldManFan, valMIchael, notSoShygirl

Agent Cooper, wolfguard LOL! You make good arguements. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 19 20:20:11 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl et al: Technically, the last words in EVERY episode are "Grrr...ARRGGGHHH"

Can I change my answer and do I win?

:-)



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werewolf123 says:
(Tue Aug 19 18:56:33 2014 68.12.60.93) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard: As long as Buffy is a slayer and not a killer, then the cheese is not the answer.,.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 19 18:04:32 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Trivia Girl,

TARA
(VO)
You think you know. What's to come,
what you are You haven't even begun.


While I love this scene and line, truth be told ...


CHEESE MAN
Cheese is not the answer.


... is the answer. *g*



WG



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valMichael says:
(Tue Aug 19 17:20:14 2014 98.195.92.226) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: angelsbb, Angelsdust, Angelus16, Anne #2, Englfish1@, and Puthr44!

YAY lissa slayer!

Trivia Girl
what notsoShyGirl said.:)

ChristopherMarlowe WoW maintenance this AM. Probably starting to put in place the changes for Release 6.0, the precursor to the Warlords of Draenor expansion. Lots of major changes coming.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 19 16:35:29 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica It was almost exactly the same when I saw Pat Benatar last year. 90 minute set, it felt like getting a salad when you wanted a steak. But Huey Lewis is 64, and I'm not no spring chicken myself. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 19 15:06:38 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: "Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make! Mwhahahahaaa"



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Aug 19 15:04:29 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael--I always liked Cordelia, she had some great lines :)


ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard--The chair hitting the ground was another nice touch :)


ShadowQuest--I didn't realize he was so old, 96!


ChristopherMarlowe--It was the same when my husband and I saw Earth, Wind and Fire last year, a 90-minute concert. I guess those old rockers can only do so much ;)


DaddyCatALSO--It was probably a fawn--we have a doe and fawn that regularly visit our yard. I can't plant everything I'd like to have, everything has to be deer-resistant, but we enjoy seeing them so it's OK :)



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Aug 19 15:01:09 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - You think you know ... what's to come ... what you are. You haven't even begun.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Aug 19 14:44:54 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
You think you know. What's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 19 14:29:46 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Questions: What is the last phrase in the episode 'Restless'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 19 12:23:40 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, August 19 2014 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



angelsbb
Angelsdust
Angelus16
Anne #2
Englfish1@
Pnthr44


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
angelsbb, Angelsdust, Angelus16, Anne #2, Englfish1@, Puthr44!



I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.Mal, 'Trash'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 19 12:16:05 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Yay lizza slayer!

deadguy memorial buffy qod

Doyle would be my top choice as most recognizable voice. Then Giles/Wesley.

I'm not sure about Cordy, her snark is unmistakable, but not her voice.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Aug 19 11:56:02 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lizza slayer

yay lizza slayer!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

speech - best when free

who of the btvs/angel regulars has the most recognizable voice?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 19 06:55:40 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Greeneyes!



~How Sherlock Changed the World (PBS)


Good Night to All

WG



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Aug 19 06:30:10 2014 74.33.112.169) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

"Live, from New York, it's Saturday Night!"

I used to have the intro memorized, back when it was Dennis Miller and those screwballs. Let's see..."It's Saturday Night Live. With...Dana Carvey. Nora Dunn. Phil Hartman. Jan Hooks. Victoria Jackson. Jon Lovitz. Dennis Miller. Kevin Nealon. Featuring A. Whitney Brown. Al Franken. G. E. Smith and the Saturday Night Live Band. Musical guest kd lang and the reclines. And your host...John Goodman!"

Or, ya know, something like that.

"This is Don Pardo saying 'This is Don Pardo saying' goodnight."

RIP Mr. Pardo.

Zoom, zoom



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 19 04:01:25 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
The Huey Lewis and the News set was barely 90 minutes, but they played my favorites. Huey was entertaining and still in good voice.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 19 00:26:50 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

A few years ago I read of a study that examined how states 'netted out' in their doings with the federal government. The researchers summed the amount of tax money going from each state to the federal government and the amount of money flowing from the federal government to each state.

What I remember, many of the red states of the Great Plains received more federal money than they lost in federal taxes. This was probably due to agricultural subsidies. New York sent more money to Washington that it received back. This was true of several other northeastern states.

Of course, while this may be true for the state as a whole it is not necessarily true of the individual citizens of a state. One might imagine several thousand Iowan taxpayers' income taxes going to Washington and then being sent back as subsidies to a few large farmers or corporate agriculture ...


... other thoughts, no time. *g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 19 00:24:29 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Going to be heading out soon for the
Huey Lewis and the News concert! Be
back in a few hours!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 18 23:18:22 2014 204.186.244.234) [Edit/Delete]
[b? wolfguard valMichael[/b] I don't pay much heed to such lists. Given that the states which take in the most Federal money vote the most for anti-tax Federal candidates, and vice versa, I regard that particular part of politics as Beyond My Looking-glass *g.

wolfguard Re state names; What I'm going for is an alternate history where FLorida sent delegates to the Continental Congress who signed the Declaration. I guess I'll just go with Quatrivieres.

Christopher Marlowe She has an email but isn't a web-surfer or a gamer, so she won't be using it much and she's fine with it. ye4syerday I figured out how to actually get to websites with it, but it's got a newfangled screen and often the nav bar and back buttons disappear.

lostinamerica I figured with the construction on both sides, the deer weren't coming to that unmown meadow near work. But Friday evening I saw 3 medium-sized ones and a small one (with a much lighter hide) which had to run and jump to catch up with the others. I don't want to throw around the word "fawn" because I'm no expert.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 18 22:49:45 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
slow afternoon!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 18 20:28:10 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Physics/Art
Question: What are the The three secondary colors in an RGB color wheel?
Answer: yellow, cyan, magenta.

Trivia Masters: valMichael, OldManFAn
Trivia Comedians: Agent Cooper



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 18 19:57:22 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
I gotta stop clicking on news websites. WAYYYY too depressing lately.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 18 17:50:54 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Aug 18 17:51:48 2014
Drive-By


valMichael,

I will have to ponder on your questions and budget numbers.



Christopher Marlowe,

I believe Vermont, which is on the list of most socialist, has the most liberal gun laws - liberal in meaning they have few laws restricting purchase, ownership, and carry. *g* OTOH, New Hampshire, on the ten least list, is very protective of its sovereign rights with respect to its membership in the USA. Perhaps they want to secede to become a more socialist country? *g*


Lostinamerica,


ANGEL
(to Russell)

~ Can you fly?

RUSSELL
(confused)
~ What?

Long Pause

SPLAT Ooops, I forgot the turned to dust.

BAM! (chair)


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 18 16:42:40 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael, lostinamerica It was particularly neat to see Russell turn to dust before he hit the ground!



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valMichael says:
(Mon Aug 18 16:18:49 2014 98.195.92.226) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Aug 18 16:45:29 2014
Happy Birthday: ArielB, BladeGirl, David Mello, Lurking Girl, Tech Zero, TV Dictator, and Xanders Girl!

YAY greengirl!

Trivia Girl
Yellow, Cyan, Magenta

lostinamerica that's a great excerpt from "City of ..."

wolfguard That's an interesting way to define socialism. It's obviously too simplistic, so I'm not sure it's valid. I would have expected Texas to be high on the list. After all it's the fastest growing state in population the last 20 years. People come here for a reason, and it's not for state services.

I wonder how that measure stacks up vs. Presidential election results, and congressional representation. Do the most socialist states have a preponderance of Democratic Senators and Congressmen and do the least socialist states have a preponderance of Republican Senators and Congressmen?

States that surprise me on the least socialist list are Illinois and Indiana. States that surprise me on the most socialist list are Arkansas and Mississippi.

Interesting note: Texas Budget for 2014-15 (bi-annual figures, divide by 2 for yearly budget)
187 Billiion total Expenditures biannual budget (93.5 Billion Annually)
71 Billion Education (K-12 and Higher education combined) - 38%
- 54 Billion secondary education - 29%
- 17 Billion Higher education - 9%
70 Billion health & human services(welfare, acute and long term care, etc.) - 38%
25 Billion Business and Economic Development(includes DMV and DOT) - 13%
11 Billion Public Safety (includes emergency funds, prisons and state police) - 6%
9 Billion remainder of state expenditures - 5%

New PSA Alyson Hannigan & others on the dangers of Binge-Watching! Hilarious!
Note scroll to bottom of page to watch. :)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 18 15:30:28 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Platinum Blonde, English Racing Green, and Chartreuse



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Aug 18 15:10:09 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - yellow, cyan, magenta.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 18 14:57:00 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sorry for the latness!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Physics/Art
Question: What are the The three secondary colors in an RGB color wheel?



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Aug 18 14:31:07 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Tiny print ;) And he didn't mention my favorite part:

Cordelia:. . .I finally get invited to a nice place, with no mirrors, and lots of curtains. . .hey, you're a vampire!"

Russell: "What? No, I'm not."

Cordelia: "Are too!"

Russell: "I don't know what you're talking about."

Cordelia: "Hey, I'm from Sunnydale. We had our own Hellmouth! I think I know a vampire when I'm alone with him. . .in his fortress-like home. . .



Then, of course, there's Angel throwing Russell out of the window, always good ;)


Beldin--Ohh, Charlotteville! Isn't that where UVA is, I've heard it's beautiful!


Happy Belated Birthday Maverick! I hope you had a lovely day! Without rain ;)


Happy Belated Birthday IMMORTAL!


Belated Yay! Nuphalanx!



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KAM says:
(Mon Aug 18 13:52:04 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY GREENEYES

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 18 13:41:20 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: How did you like Frozen?

I love Olaf's number about summer. Too funny.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 18 13:17:25 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Yay greeneyes!


Goodbye Blue Monday!


wolfguard One of the more puzzling top ten lists I've seen. I was trying to determine the ratio of blue to red states in both lists, but it seems rather mixed.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 18 13:00:39 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, August 18th 2014 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!



ArielB
BladeGirl
David Mellow
LurkingGirl
Tech Zero
TVDictator
XandersGirl


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
ArielB, BladeGirl, David Mello, Lurking Girl, Tech Zero, TV Dictator, Xanders Girl!



Question: Will hiding in a cavern with stockpiled chocolate goods be any part of this plan?Xander, 'This Year's Girl

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Aug 18 11:28:52 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greeneyes!

yay greeneyes!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Beldin says:
(Mon Aug 18 06:13:36 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Pretty good. I forgot about coming back and posting because I found Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor and the Extended Cut of Now You See Me on Amazon.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 18 04:23:43 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Just looked at an article by Kurumi Fukushima on "The Street" website. It is titled, ~The 10 Most Socialist States~ (of the US). He also lists the 10 least socialist states. While I believe his description and definition of 'socialism' is too simplistic for serious analytical work, the results are interesting.

Here is his formula for measuring the degree of socialism of a state...

(state's total government expenditures in $) / (state's gross domestic product in $) = state expenditures as a proportion of GDP

Counting back from 10 ...

10 Least Socialist States

10 Illinois
09 Georgia
08 Utah
07 Indiana
06 Florida
05 Missouri
04 Washington
03 New Hampshire
02 Nevada
01 (see end)


10 Most Socialist States

10 Wisconsin
09 Rhode Island
08 Hawaii
07 New Mexico
06 Vermont
05 Arkansas
04 Mississippi
03 Wyoming
02 Alaska
01 (see end)


The Least Socialist State

With state expenditures being 6.99% of the state's gross domestic product ...

((TEXAS))


The Most Socialist State

With state expenditures being 34.1% of the state's gross domestic product ...

((WEST VIRGINIA))


How well do the results agree with your associations of the states' socialist tendencies?


I originally put the link to the article, but when I tested it in the post preview it froze my browser. Closed browser, reopened it and retyped sans link.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 18 03:28:45 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
strangestgirl,

*G*

GAIL
(to Andy)
Oliver loves you. He loves all of us.


OLIVER
(to Andy)
I'm on your side Andy. I always have been. I always will be.


:)


Rookie Blue (Youtube)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 18 02:46:01 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin How was your Sunday?



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Beldin says:
(Mon Aug 18 01:05:04 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 17 23:34:42 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
strangestgirl Hi, how have you been doing?



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strangestgirl says:
(Sun Aug 17 21:39:05 2014 64.89.221.170) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard Oliver and Andy are
filling my Giles/Buffy space these
days.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 17 20:25:33 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCALASO She's letting you use it or borrow it?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sun Aug 17 19:16:16 2014 72.78.161.89) [Edit/Delete]
Landlady's computer seems to be working, might see me occasionally in evenings.



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Christopher says:
(Sun Aug 17 17:36:02 2014 69.9.208.65) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael It sure is, I'm hoping to get some activity in today, a local church is selling peaches today and I want to get some.



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valMichael says:
(Sun Aug 17 17:13:52 2014 98.195.92.226) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Addict No. 1, British Angel, Christa, Drubie, Jezebel 817, and RocStar!

ChristopherMarlowe
Slow Sunday morning, isn't it? :)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 17 12:28:15 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is August 17th 2014 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



Addict No.1
British Angel
Christa
Drubie
Jezebel_817
RocStar


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Addict No. 1, British Angel, Christa, Drubie, Jezebel 817, RocStar!



Willow: Yikes. Imagine the things...Buffy: No! Stop imagining! All of you! Xander: Already got the visual.
'Intervention'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 17 02:59:12 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Do to overwhelming response, Frozen it is!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 17 01:12:05 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Ok, I'm home! And I have two choices of Netflix movies to watch: Frozen or Dallas Buyers Club.

What Say Ye?



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cmarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 16 21:28:09 2014 209.170.68.12) [Edit/Delete]
should be home in another hour or so!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 16 19:52:00 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

One doesn't always need a kit - and call 911.

1. Cessation of breathing

- Mouth-to-Mouth Resuscitation (skill): There is an ongoing debate on it's efficacy. Also, many would now recommend using some sort of mouth guard to minimize germ transmission. If the cause of breathing cessation was related to illness, then MMR would not deal with the cause, for example cyanide poisoning. OTOH, carbon monoxide poisoning would first be dealt with by removing the person from the source, which depending on the situation could be done by the responder.

- Heavy External Bleeding: Direct pressure using whatever material is available (deal with any infections if the victim survives1), elevation of the limb(s), pressure points. These are basic skills and be done without equipment.

- General Shock: Body position, temperature control, keeping victim comfortable. Anaphylactic shock can be temporarily staved off with shot from an EpiPen. If you or someone you are responsible for has serious allergies, then having one or more EpiPens is wise.

- Exposure (heat exhaustion, heat stroke, hypothermia, frostbite): The first aid for these require little if any 'first aid' equipment.

- Strains, Stresses, Fractures, and Dislocations: Again, for first aid you can find make-shift splits and bandages to immobilize until the cavalry arrives. In fact, if the cavalry is close, keeping the victim still is probably better than trying to do the splint thing. OTOH, I do keep several ace bandages in the car and house.


- Heart 'Attack': CPR, a skill. As with MMR there is debate over its use of efficacy. Years ago, a friend of mine who had worked as an EMT and a cop said he could only remember four cases where it worked to keep the victims alive and three of them later died in the hospital. The fact that they died in the hospital suggest equipment may not have been the issue (OTOH, perhaps if they had immediate care with the right equipment and skill the victim's condition may have been better upon arrival?).

Anyway, there are now automatic external defibrillators designed to be used by relative novices. They are marketed to commercial buildings, factories, and the like. It's best to receive training, but the ones I've seen have instructions and guide lights on them to walk a person through the process. Probably work better than CPR or kneeling beside a person saying, "Stay with me! Stay with me!"

Back in the mid 70's I read a doctor's article, later followed by his book, where he despaired of the usefulness of then first kits. He especially thought them completely inadequate for outdoor activities such as camping. Essentially, if you were going to be some distance from medical care, then most of your first aid kit should consist of medications. He listed the ones you would most likely fine useful and suggested you take the article (book) with you to your doctor to get the prescriptions. He also believed your kit should have a mini suturing kit (some would suggest butter-fy tape instead or in addition to).

Finally, take an American Red Cross first aid course. As one man said, ~ Owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician. Having first aid kit doesn't prepare you to use it. *g*



1 A person once asked me wasn't it potentially dangerous drinking water found in the wild without treating. Absolutely, but if you don't have a way to treat it, then you'll probably die of thirst before you die of illness induced by drinking the water (except for sea/salt water).

An old survival saying: A person can live 3 minutes without oxygen, three days without water, three weeks without food. I've also seen variations of this, such as seconds with panic, i.e. you first have to get to a proper mindset.





WG



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Beldin says:
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DaddyCatALSO - I missed that GotG run somehow. And in those days I was at the comics book stand at least once a week.



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valMichael says:
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Edited: Sat Aug 16 17:29:26 2014
Happy Birthday: Amywyn and TheName!

Question Recently, one of the states trying to remove unenforceable laws from the books, attempted to removed all the laws relating to adultery. Opponents of the move finally won and the laws were kept. The motto of their movement was one of the main factors in loosing support for the removal of those laws. They started calling their state


wait for it ...


answer spoilered for delicate brains
] The State of Adultery! [



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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Maverick You had posted a post or three regarding guys with shaved heads, so I weighed in.

OldManFan I only read the "After the Fall" comics once, but they kinda-sorta fought free.

Beldin The original Guardians of the Galaxy (Vance astro, Yondu, Charlie-27, Martinex) first appeared in their own magazine before Marvel two-In-One came out. Not a hgue success, but erevivied evyr now and then. Rocket Raccoon was a guest star in one issue late in the run. Drax the Destroyer first appeared in the first Thanos arc in Captain Marvel and, as far as I'm concerned, shoudlv'e slef-destructed when it ended. I also have no idea who the others are.

ShadowQuest One problem in my calls is some people have a fixed idea that only the Sales Department ever cold calls anybody some any call from a company has to be Sales.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 16 15:38:32 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Now off to do a day of errands!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 16 14:15:36 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, August 16th 2014 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!



Amywyn
TheName


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Amywyn, TheName!



Inara: Who's winning? Simon: I can't tell. They don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
'Bushwhacked'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 16 13:57:26 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I agree that typical first aid kids aren't much. Bandaids, gauze, sterile wipes, asprin etc. Not much beyond simple cuts or scrapes. However, more advance kits would also require more advanced skills.

Is there a line on kits simple enough for average people to use, but useful enough to handle a wider range of injuries beyond the boo-boo?



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wolfguard says:
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Edited: Sat Aug 16 06:44:43 2014
Yay Nuphalanx!


Happy Birthday Maverick!


Happy Birthday IMMORTAL!



I was able to catch a recent episode of Rookie Blue. Officer Oliver Shaw (now S/Sgt Shaw), it he best cop on television today. *g*


Today the subject of first aid kits arose. Most first aid kits cannot handle injuries beyond the very minor. A serious first aid kit requires medications. That said, the first aid care for many serious conditions can be handled with what one can find around a house or office. ETA First Aid, i.e. what can be done until real medical care is available.

Debate

*g*



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 16 05:11:37 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
boy am I glad to be back home, after FIVE hours out there.



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Beldin says:
(Sat Aug 16 04:34:55 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick - I did. But I understand there is some question as to whether he really asked in planning a murder or whether it had been a background image for some time.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 16 03:30:12 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Aug 16 03:58:24 2014
Thanks muchly for Happy Birthday wishes from Icelord, Birthday Gnomette, Christopher Marlowe, Maverick (his Dark twin,) valMichael, and Beldin


Yay, Nuphalanx, Yay!


Beldin: Did you see the story about the guy who asked Siri, on his Apple iPhone, how to dispose of a body.


Maverick


Send Her My Love




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 23:57:27 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
I'm off to see a production of The Best Man I'm not sure when, I'll get back, but it will be at least 3-4 hours in total.

I will be back laters!



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Beldin says:
(Fri Aug 15 23:46:31 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Happy birthday, Maverick!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 23:25:10 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin I'm curious how that bozo got the safe out of the building.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 23:05:49 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin I hope you don't run into any bozos on the road. *g*

Agent Cooper Public speaking is nerve-wracking, although I can do it without fainting. The Dark isn't a problem, I once took a tour of a cave and at one point they turned out the light for a minute, it didn't scare me much.



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Beldin says:
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Here now.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 15 20:50:19 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: I was gonna ask you about public speaking. Then I realized it was you and that would DUMB. :-)

How about the dark?



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valMichael says:
(Fri Aug 15 20:19:56 2014 98.195.92.226) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Bethy, IMMORTAL, Maverick, and nil8r!

YAY NuPhalanx! my Bro-let!

Trivia Girl
Maurits Cornelis Escher - one of the greatest artists of the 20th century. His work is rife with visual depictions of Hyperbolic Geometry and visual paradoxes. I have many of his pictures and prints at my house. :)

ChristopherMarlowe Scoobies/Fang Gang 5 man WoW teams? Interesting concept.
Scoobies would be Alliance, Fang Gang would be Horde.
Tanks: Buffy as Protection Warrior, Angel as Death Knight
Melee DPS: Riley as Retribution Paladin, Gunn as Fury Warrior
Melee DPS #2: Spike as Death Knight
Ranged DPS #1: Hunter (Marksman) with appropriate pet depending on need (keeps him out of melee since he's squishy :)
Ranged DPS #2: Willow - Warlock or Mage, Wesley - Warlock or Mage
Healers: Giles - Holy Priest/Shadow Priest, Fred - Discipline Priest/Shadow Priest
Shadow Priest would be for DPS assist on occasion.

Also we could have Spike be the Tank as Death Knight, and Angel could be Magics/Melee as Druid for whichever is more needed: melee or ranged magic DPS.

Note: In both BtVS and Angel, healing spells weren't allowed as they are in WoW.
Note: Warriors and Death Knights can play 2 roles: Tank and Melee DPS.
Paladins can play all three roles - Tank, Melee DPS, and healer)and
Druids can play all three roles - Tank, Melee & Ranged DPS, and healer.
Priests can play 2 roles - Healers (Holy and Discipline) and ranged DPS (Shadow Priest - with 'Psi' powers, not magic.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Aug 15 20:17:58 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Historical Figures
Question: What does the M.C. stand for in M.C. Escher?
Answer: Maurits Cornelis

Trivia Masters: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan
trivia comedians: Maverick *g*, Agent Cooper

Agent Cooper I stomp 'em when I see them in my apartment, but otherwise, I don't have excessive fear of them.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Aug 15 19:50:31 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Marlowe Christopher.


Birthday, Happies to Maverick, you handsome devil.


Part III of "Atlas Shrugged" comes out September 12th. Looking forward to this. John Gault is played by Christopher Polaha (who played SMG's sometimes boyfriend in "Ringer.") I believe that once again they have completely switched the entire acting ensemble.


Maverick


Am I The Same Girl?




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 16:56:38 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday IMMORTAL and Maverick!



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Icelord says:
(Fri Aug 15 16:37:42 2014 108.9.60.94) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Maverick!!



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Aug 15 15:46:05 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Maurits Cornelis.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 15 15:16:32 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Master of Ceremonies

Chris Marlowe: How do you feel about spiders?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Aug 15 14:38:38 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Maurits Cornelis



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Aug 15 14:32:20 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Historical Figures
Question: What does the M.C. stand for in M.C. Escher?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 15 13:20:42 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, August 15 2014 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Bethy
IMMORTAL
Maverick
nil8r


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Bethy, IMMORTAL, Maverick, nil8r!



Bar maid! Bring me stronger ale! And some plump, succulent babies to eat! Olaf the Troll, 'Triangle'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 12:57:16 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
yay nuphalanx!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!

Beldin Super cool!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 15 11:54:24 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for nuphalanx!

yay nuphalanx!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 15 05:52:52 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Lady Samantha!




"...So let's say you can type 250 words in 15 minutes on average. Slower at the start of a novel, faster toward the end.

Math: 250 words x 365 days = 91,250 words.

That's a novel.

That means to write one novel a year a "professional writer" must spend 15 minutes per day at it...
"


~Four novels a year. (Dean Wesley Smith's website)



Good Night to All

WG



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Beldin says:
(Fri Aug 15 05:27:24 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I learned tonight that I can stream the Angel series free on Amazon Prime. Well, "free" as in there is a yearly subscription cost. But I think I've already exceeded that if I had bought all the series I now have in my Video Library.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 02:44:51 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Welcome to the very first review of AtS (Angel the Series), for the premiere, "City of." This is a flash-bang of a series opener which is nothing short of flawless. We get a feel for Angel as a leading man, meet his new sidekicks and follow him through an airtight plot as he starts his quest for redemption. At this point in time the people behind BtVS (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) had three years of experience under their belt, bringing them to the start of AtS in a well readied state. This episode and most of S1 are fantastic proof of this. Composed mostly of stand alones, this season still manages to be one of the shows most consistent and most universally liked seasons because of its unwaveringly rigid focus on character development. A whole load of important things happen in "City of," so we'll dive right in.

"High School is over, pal," Doyle tells Angel early on, and how right he is. Whereas Buffy's base metaphor for its first three seasons rested upon the demonic exaggeration of the High School experience, S1 of Angel is a about the new kind of life one experiences in their early twenties. Whether it's moving to a big, scary new city where nobody knows your name (this episode), dealing with the impossible singles scene ("Lonely Hearts" [1x02]), finding a new place to live ("Rm w a Vu" [1x05]), getting over your H.S. sweet heart ("I Will Remember You" [1x08]), or learning about consequences ("Expecting" [1x12]), this particular age bracket has a distinct calling card of experiences.

High School truly is over for Angel and Cordelia, and much of the first Season deals with growing further as people in response to that. However, it is not the primary focus of this episode, and in fact is only an undercurrent to the main theme that dominates S1.

The first scene presents our fearless hero deeply drunk, telling a bald and black bar patron how much he reminds him of his much beloved Buffy (whose name is not actually mentioned once in this episode); pure, blissful Whedon. We know instantly we're still in Joss' world, which comforts those of us moving on to new territory from the end of BtVS S3 (as are our characters). After leaving the bar, Angel expertly dispenses of two vampires who are out on the hunt, but finds himself grappling with human cravings of his own, as he tells the grateful and now-saved victims to flee when he spots a bleeding cut on one of their foreheads. He can't be near them.

This is a smart way to start the show, and it is the focus of both this episode, and S1 (along with the perennial theme of redemption): Human Connection. Angel is a man who wants to help people and do the right thing, but with no connection to the human world, he faces becoming detached from them as well. As Doyle points out rather bluntly in the next scene: "that craving is going to grow and one day soon one of those helpless victims that you don't really care about is going to look way too appetizing to turn down. And you'll figure hey! What's one against all I've saved?" It's a disturbing truth and you can tell Angel knows it right away.

The first two scenes with Doyle (one in the apartment and one on the street) are both very important. Aside from introducing the uninitiated to the dark avenger's history, they accurately sum up his current situation, and what needs to change. Angel is seeking the means to do good, but is going about it wrong, dangerously distancing himself from those who he hopes to help. From there, Doyle explains that he receives visions of people in danger from omniscient forces called the Powers that Be (who will be referred to as the PTB), and he has been sent to Angel to help guide the wayward hero in saving helpless souls. We also find out that he is half demon in a rather funny way: spikes come out of his face after a sneeze, just before which he strongly affirms he is completely human ('on my mother's side').

Doyle properly states that saving the world is not just about gadgets and brawls, it's about connection, and saving lives and souls; about letting people into your heart. The parallel here to Buffy's character and the psychology of the Slayer as told by Spike in BtVS' [5x07]: "Fool for Love" is quite applicable, probably to all heroes. Vigilantes rise and fall because they are cut off, and eventually implode or explode when they come under stress with no one to support them. The key difference is that Angel's character would explode, whereas Buffy's would implode. We see examples of this for both of them later on in the timeline.

In BtVS [5x22] "The Gift," Buffy's emotional support finally buckles when she faces the idea of sacrificing her sister on top of having lost her lover and her mother so recently; she chooses to die rather than face this. Angel is different. In S2, we see him go dark without losing his soul; his emotional support buckles when Darla is turned back into a vampire by Wolfram and Hart almost instantly after he helps redeem her, and he goes on a manic quest for vengeance, locking W&H lawyers in a room with two deadly vampire gals (2x10: "Reunion" [2x10]).

He then fires Gunn, Cordelia and Wesley to willingly complete the transition to full detachment so he can pursue a full on crusade for blood. As Wesley tells him, they (his friends, his human connections) are all that stands between Angel and true darkness; he knows this, which is exactly why he does what he does.

The reactions of the two heroes are different, but the message is the same: A connection to the world is all that will keep a hero from slipping off of it, and it is what makes a hero. Part of Angel's darker moments in this episode actually have to do with the loss of Buffy in his life, but wisely, the writers do not call attention to it, focusing on Angel himself.

Once this has all been explained, Doyle gives him his first soul to save: A woman named Tina (oddly, a blonde), who he is to meet at a coffee shop. He somehow manages to charm her, also learning that she is very afraid of someone named Russell. Offering Tina a ride to start, he ends up at a Hollywood party where he runs into Cordelia (who I'll talk about later). There's some fun stuff in here, including a hilarious exchange with a talent agent named Oliver (who appears later in this season: "Eternity" [1x17]), but the purpose is first and foremost to give us an impression of how (not) well Tina's acting 'career' is going.

From here the pace picks up and doesn't let go, with Tina being snatched out of the party by Russell's man Stacy and rescued by Angel in a very entertaining car chase. Hiding back at the apartment, the two share a quiet and beautiful pair of scenes that really hit home, helping to re-establish what kind of guy we know Angel is. When he responds to Tina's suggestion that he's earned the right to 'comfort her' by telling her "this is the part where you have a safe place to stayyou have enough people taking advantage right now," we feel as moved as she does. But the happy is short lived, as Tina finds Doyle's instructions in Angel's apartment no sooner than the soulful vampire starts to feel the needed connection he was told about. This drives the paranoid Tina away to her apartment to flee where she is confronted by the aforementioned Russell, who is not only cleverly manipulative, but a hungry vampire. Bye Tina.

It struck me as a waste at first, but in fact, helped smartly move two important things along. First: we see instant proof of what happens to Angel when he loses that human connection discussed earlier. He had gained Tina's trust, and then lost her. His initial reaction is not self-destruction or pity, but vengeance; Angel swiftly returns to his place in a blood thirsty mood with full intent of tracking down Russell's henchmen and Russell himself. Not that much later he violently breaks into the store that one of the henchmen own. When told by Stacy that Russell will kill everyone he cares about, all Angel can say is that there is no one left he cares about. Good stuff.

The second thing that made the Tina plot essential had to do with Russell himself, who we learn in the next scene is Russell Winters, a powerful and wealthy client of - and here they are - Wolfram and Hart, a law firm that appears to be more than just a law firm at once. Lindsey McDonald, the lawyer, makes his first appearance, quickly and coolly constructing an alibi for the vampire with nothing but business in his amoral voice.

By coincidence, Cordelia, who has also been chasing an acting career, ends up at Russell's place, lured by the promise of a break in her career, at the same time Angel makes his move. Apparently Cordy's been chasing the Hollywood clich like Tina, having ditched Sunnydale to seek riches in acting. Her exchange with Angel at the party is sweetly played and reminiscent and of an old Scooby meeting, and upon first viewing is quite cool; watching two members of the old Sunnydale clan who never really interacted chat it up. Like Joss Whedon's third show, "Firefly," these little moments are what makes the big ones matter; the experiences of friendship and communion that so many other shows lack. I also like how we're meant to think that Tina will be the one Angel saves, but it turns out being Cordelia by the end.

At this point, her character is advancing forward through the motions foreshadowed in BtVS [3x20] "The Prom," with her family having lost all its money, and poor Cordy herself going through a dry spell. Her apartment is run down, she has little food and her only real things of value are her few fancy articles of clothing. She is as Cordelia as ever, letting no one know about her struggle, but in fact is in a harsh place. This is the first thing introduced to make her character more sympathetic, despite still being the snarky Cordy we know. All of this sets her up properly for the stellar development that she is soon to go through.

Angel shows up in the nick of time to rescue her, and the fight scene is fun. The feeling of excitement as our hero steps out of the shadows with Tina's 'message' for Russell is purely satisfying and well-earned, as our reaction is the same as Cordelia's: "Oh, boy! You're about to get your *** kicked!" All the episode's tightly woven threads come together for a pay off that feels both worthwhile and liberating, here and after in Russell's board room. Watching Doyle come through was nice, too, even though he doesn't get much to do in this episode beyond that and the vision (this would be a detractor in other episodes, but since it is the series premiere the focus needs to be on Angel).

We do see hints of his nature in a few places: when Angel asks him why he wants to help, he mentions that everyone has something to atone for. Back at the mansion we see him struggling with the notion of risking his hide, even though he knows it's the right and selfless thing to do; in the end he does. This is a good starting point for his development since that by the time his life ends, he's willing to die selflessly to save the lives of others ("Hero" [1x09]).

All of this is excellent, and makes a grand first showing. Rolled in with great entertainment is also some very good and logical character development (as well as re/establishment), new information and some clever foreshadowing. Wolfram and Hart is introduced, we get our first mention of the senior partners, and our heroes are set up to take the stage. Russell Winters was an efficient creation in how he brought out the necessary sides of Angel's character. The script was also very tightly constructed, so not a moment was wasted between the story and the sharp licks of dialogue, which are particularly good here.

I debated quite a bit about whether or not to give this episode a Perfect score, but I feel it's earned it in retrospect of the entire series; more for what it does than what it appears to be. It lacks a single misstep one way or another, and is a perfect start to this great show.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Edited: Fri Aug 15 02:38:17 2014
ETA

Agent Cooper I don't have much trouble with heights on buildings or airplanes, but give me something like the Grand Canyon, and I'm hugging the ground baby.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 15 02:27:28 2014 108.4.147.40) [Edit/Delete]
chris marlowe: I'm not too fond of heights.

You?



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Beldin says:
(Fri Aug 15 02:09:16 2014 64.92.34.103) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.

lostinamerica - The first week I'm staying home but I'm leaving next Saturday to drive to Charlottesville, VA.

Christopher Marlowe - Mostly when I'm not there to answer a question or do something for them.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 01:59:40 2014 209.159.255.81)
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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 01:43:17 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
I might just start putting up other
folks reviews of the Angel episodes
during our rewatch, just so people
have something interesting to read
every night.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 15 00:49:33 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin Will your co-workers miss you while you're away?



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ChistopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 14 23:56:14 2014 209.159.255.81) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael Which would have made a better WoW team, the Scoobies or the Fang Gang?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 14 22:02:44 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard If you need any assistance with that project, we would be more than happy to help. *g*


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