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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 2 01:33:31 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
When the the workshop is done, I
think I'll post a bit about the
workshop. One thing I learned today,
the 'heirarchy of oppression'.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 22:04:21 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Back again from the workshop



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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 1 21:53:29 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: I think everyone is aware of their Biases. A better course would be to see things as they really, objectively ARE. If you could do THAT, you would be free of bias. The problem is that people will often freely admit their bias but will not comprehend that it is hampering their understanding of certain other concepts. And vice versa (not understanding a concept may make one biased against those who hold with that concept.) Those, for instance, who do not understand economics, must consequently have a biased low opinion of Conservatives. Also, a bias can blind one to what a concept, such as "caring," really means.


Christopher Marlowe: Have you looked at my gun hypothetical? Which numbers would produce a "go" and which would give pause? In case you think that a "nut" does not make that kind of logical calculation, remember, as I pointed out before, that James Holmes (the clown with the red hair who killed those people in Colorado in a movie theater) drove past many closer theaters to get to the one with the sign prohibiting guns. Also, most recent killing rampages involved "gun-free zones."


20 (Best?) Quotes from Milton Friedman (Nobel Prize-winning Economist.)


Thomas Sowell reports "The Fact-free Left, Parts I and II"


Maverick


Dancing With Myself




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 18:50:13 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
MAverick The bias awareness is going very well, I just wished more people were participating in it.
Being aware of your own bias is actually very helpful.

I know of conservatives who really need this workshop, but they are beyond oblivious to their own bias that I don't think any awareness workshop could help.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 1 16:21:07 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Yes, good luck with your bias awareness. You must quit assuming the worst about people whose opinions differ from yours. Conservatives, for instance, usually have logical reasons for their attitudes; whereas the Progressives you normally associate with base their attitudes on a pack of lies promulgated to elicit these attitudes in you. They employ lots of straw man arguments (Obama is famous for those.) Let me know if they don't cover straw man arguments in your seminar and I'll explain them for you.


Christopher Marlowe: Here's a hypothetical. You were pissed off at everyone at work and felt slighted and felt they were against you, especially your boss, and you resented them. You have a gun, which unfortunately, others know about. After you made threats to another worker over her taking a job assignment, your boss fired you. Now, you can't stop ruminating about this and how you would like to return to work and settle the score. Would you be more or less tempted to do so if 1). After the incident with you, the boss was shaken up and absolutely in a New Directive (you read on the website) forbade all your former co-workers from bringing concealed weapons to work, or 2). There is a security guard downstairs in your building but he is not permitted to carry a gun, or 3). There is a security guard downstairs who is now openly carrying a gun, or 4). The boss has NEVER mentioned the carrying of a weapon to work and there is no policy about it, 5). The boss has NEVER mentioned a weapons-at-work policy but you know she was former military and you've heard she still goes to the range; there's been skuttlebutt that she carries a pistol in her attaché. 6). There is no policy and everyone carries an attaché to work; some of your co-workers ARE former military; your office is in a downtown area which requires parking some distance away and walking past the local urban denizens; some have expressed a desire at some kind of self-defense but no one has armed themselves as far as you know.


Maverick


Viva La Vida




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 14:33:39 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Off to spend some time at a Bias Awareness workshop!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 1 14:24:23 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, August 1st , 2015 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



Demonic TeddyBear
gazoo
Nad_the_Lurker
Noshferatu
Pippin
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Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Demonic TeddyBear, gazoo, Nad The Lurker, Noshferatur, Pippin Willow Wannabe!



Buffy! If I wanted to fight, you could tell by the being dead already.Glory, 'Checkpoint'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 13:49:54 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 1 05:40:33 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

What an amateur, actually printing physical money. Today creating money 'simply' involves changing memory in the right computer database. *g*

WG



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Beldin says:
(Sat Aug 1 03:28:09 2015 104.156.240.164|135.26.8.165) [Edit/Delete]
Dave must be on vacation. There
have been no new bozo stories
posted since the 17th.



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Beldin says:
(Sat Aug 1 03:23:03 2015 135.26.8.165) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard -

Bozo criminal for today from
Kingsport, Tennessee could be the
worlds worst counterfeiter. Bozo
Pam Dawson tried to use a fake $5
bill at a local grocery store.
The clerk immediately noticed
something was amiss. It appeared
to have been printed on computer
paper and each side had been
glued together. The cops were
called and found a $100 bill in
her purse that was also
counterfeit, printed in black and
white and the back of the bill
was printed upside down. The cops
also discovered a receipt for a
printer and copy paper in her
purse. It was her excuse for
counterfeiting the money that
landed her in the Bozo Hall of
Fame. She said she read online
that President Obama had created
a law allowing anyone to print
their own money. More
specifically she said, I dont
give a ****, all these other
b****** get to print money, so I
can, too. Shes been charged
with counterfeiting.


*g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 1 02:44:55 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Have you ever heard of any firm, non-profit, or government
agency1 issuing all its employees guns?

What about your hypothetical?


1 Aside from law enforcement agencies? (and not every member of
such is issued a sidearm)


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 02:27:21 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin Aside from that, how is
the browser functioning?

wolfguard I would probably
leave my job, if not after the
shooting, but when they issue
everyone guns.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 1 01:44:00 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

Couldn't you 'just' transcribe the
Bozo story by hand? *g*

WG



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Beldin says:
(Sat Aug 1 01:25:14 2015 135.26.8.165) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.

I'm on the Vivaldi browser so any
link I try to post will be broken
by the thin column posting.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 1 01:20:12 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Aug 1 01:20:43 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Let's first restate your hypothetical ...

A person at an office shoots a gun at another person at the office. The
administrator gives guns to all the people at the office...


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 1 00:40:11 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Want to stir the
pot a little more?

"A kid at a playground throws a
rock at another kid on the
playground. The teacher gives rocks
to all the kids on the
playground..."

There is more to the statement
above, but I wanted to stop there
and tried to think if that was an
appropriate hypothetical and what
the outcome would be.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 1 00:31:32 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

"To me, all questions...

Some are more easily satisfied than others. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 31 23:18:13 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jul 31 21:07:33 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
maverick To be blunt, my party , like any polticians,a re mainly itnerwested in scoring points, not in helping folks



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 31 20:56:32 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: What was Darth Vader's first name at birth?
Answer: Anakin

Trivia Jedis: OldMAnFan, notsoShyGirl, Agent Cooper
Trivia Darths: Maverick!

wolfguard ROFL!

offline for a few hours....



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 31 20:54:41 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: Sounds like you're not up to date on EMP's. An EMP can be created by exploding a nuclear bomb in the upper atmosphere. It will cover a wide area and burn out electrical circuits. There WAS talk that THAT was what happened to Flight 370; it was hijacked to be able to be used to deliver a single bomb that North Korea already has. Also, a coronal mass ejection CAN be expelled from the Sun if it just happens to be pointed in the right direction. The Carrington Effect was an earlier CME that did an especial amount of EMP-like electronic damage. Sorry to pile on and make your job as a Father even more stressful. And, yes, the Hacking is annoying; I always get the idea, though, that Obama is far to busy concentrating on spying on and subjugating the U.S. population to bother with outside countries.


Maverick


Goodbye To You




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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jul 31 20:14:28 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: EMP isn't a reality as a weapon yet.

And our enemies are already destroying us via the internet by hacking. They can probably shut down the whole US grid from a laptop in China.

They don't need anything as elaborate as an EMP ray gun.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 31 20:04:43 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: Talking about Germany and digging holes, I always have to laugh as I have fond memories of being stationed in Germany and being in a downtown city during the day and seeing a utility excavation hole with guys in it and the hole being circled, up on the street, with beer bottles from beer being consumed on the job by the workers. I was stunned the first time I saw this. Well, there is NO comparison as an EMP (Electro-Magnetic-Pulse) will go right through dirt and will burn out delicate electronic circuits. It will not burn out buried or unburied copper lines but it WILL travel along them and burn out transistors and parts of generators and motors and amplifiers, etc. In the book they get a lot of VW Bugs started and some old Army Surplus Jeeps from WWII and the hero/protagonist drives an Edsel. It must also be all those sensors they put into cars nowadays AND the computerized electronic ignition and distributor. In the grid it must be in the generators where the power is generated. Hardening means using simpler (non-computerized) circuits to move power. Also, certain parts should be protected by a Faraday Cage (which is like a wire and metal wrapping that catches the Pulse and re-distributes it AROUND circuits rather than allowing penetration and burning them out.)


Christopher Marlowe: The reason this book is important is that few seem to realize how vulnerable we are to this kind of attack (or even to a natural solar coronal mass ejection like the Carrington incident.) I kind of expected that once the R's took over Congress that we would see a bill to harden our Grid, and establish methods to protect delicate electronics, but no, we're still not seeing it. This REALLY bothers me.


I had to pay $1,000 Tribute, today, to the Gods of Pipes and Valves and Drains and Pumps. Water is wonderful but it an also do a lot of damage if not channeled correctly.


Maverick


Get Right Back Where We Started From (this is the theme song from the movie "Slapshot.")




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jul 31 19:29:25 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Trivia Girl To me, all questions about Darth Vader's identity were settled at the end of Empire.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 31 17:54:36 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Since one cannot trust the teller of a tale and Darth wore a helmet, there continues to be controversy over his or - her - identity. Some believe Darth's first name was Barak, others believe Hillary. Given the events took place in a galaxy far, far away these two names are unlikely to be true.

That said, I've done some research on question and have a tentative answer...



Darth Hound & Arya Skyslayer


*g*



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jul 31 17:34:51 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: Only sort of related, but I read a very interesting article once about how Germany has buried all their power lines. There are virtually no above ground power lines there.

And so their blackout rate is really, really low, much lower than in the US. I remember it being something like less than 2%. A Germans can live most of their life and never experience a power outage.

Apples to oranges, yes. The US has alot more territory and had a different history with its power grid.

But still wish they would do that here.

The article mentioned that in the US almost all of the power grid is above ground, and that this is because of early decisions when the grid was being laid out and also because above ground lines keep installation and repair costs down.

And now (so the article said) it's too late in big metro sections of the country like the east coast to switch, because of the astronomical cost it would take to bury all those existing lines and the zoning/legal propery nightmare that would ensue in trying to dig up everybody's front yard to do it.

Although in newer communities of the midwest and west I hear they are burying cables more often.

It's a trade off. Burying cables is expensive at the outset, and it's also much more expensive fix them when they fail due to the cost of digging them all up again. But on the other hand, they rarely fail once installed because they are safe from mishap underground.

Above ground lines are (relative to underground) cheap to string up and cheaper and easier to fix, because they are out in the open and easy to access. But they also need a lot more maintenance and are prone to fail more often because they are exposed.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jul 31 16:39:34 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
[b?Maverick[/b] As far as I know, the only President whose administration took hardening seriously was Ronnie. So it goes for both sides.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 31 15:51:32 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I think the last apocalyptic book I read was the Stand by Stephen King, I usually don't mind watching them, but reading them is different somehow.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 31 15:49:29 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Mommy's Widdle Cutesy Pie.


The Women of the Doctor Sorority of Planned Parenthood make around $350,000 to $800,000 each per year. Women - selling baby body parts like an automotive chop shop. I wonder how much of their salary each year represents payment for their Souls.


Yay, KAM, Yay!


Book Friday: Still reading "One Second After" by William Forstchen. Really a depressing book. When society falls apart and each electrical apparatus is useless, lots of older people succumb, lots of people on meds, including insulin, can't get refills (or can't keep them cold) and deteriorate. Lots of mentally ill people go crazy. At the point of the story where I am currently, they are discussing killing their animals (dogs and cats, too) as they take up food AND the dogs WILL go feral before long. For some reason the Congress can't get a bill passed to harden the electronics and the grid. Obama has never mentioned an EMP attack and doing something about it. Methinks this is intentional.


Maverick


I Just Don't Know What to do With Myself.




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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Jul 31 15:38:02 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Mary Beth...or Anakin

Agent Cooper
That child actor was beyond annoying. I'll take Jar Jar Binks over the kid any
day.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jul 31 14:54:46 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Anakin.

Which is Huttese for "Annoying Pouty Child Actor Who Shouts All Of His Lines."



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jul 31 14:53:54 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Anakin.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 31 14:36:23 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: What was Darth Vader's first name at birth?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jul 31 12:05:19 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, July 31st 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!



Brenna
The Confused One
Jayne
Lil
Lovely Poet

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Brenna, The Confused One, Jayne, Lil, Lovely Poet!



Sir? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing. Zoe, 'The Train Job'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jul 31 11:53:14 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! KAM!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 31 11:48:55 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jul 31 11:49:59 2015

yay kam!




Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 31 11:24:39 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kam!

yay kam!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 31 01:59:06 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: Well, I partially agree with you about that we SHOULD send robots, etc., on a lot of these inquisitive space missions and, etc. And I DO think we might have fiddle-farted around with even Mars considering the physical hardships of the flight, BUT now with it within the physical capabilities of a human in good shape, we MUST send people to Mars. Well, we MUST colonize the Moon and also have people explore Mars. I've already seen many pics from the Mars Rovers that could have used that instantaneous second look. Plus, I think everyone assumed that a Mission to Mars (good movie) would be a one-way ticket, but if this new drive works, that need not be. Have you not read Ray Bradbury's "The Martian Chronicles" or seen the TV Miniseries (methinks Rock Hudson, of all people was in it)? Mars is generally thought of as IT for other inhabited planets (with ANY life) and many interpret the earliest histories of Earth as indicating people came here FROM Mars. Some even think the Mars of today seems to be what's left over AFTER a Nuclear War. It DID have liquid water at one time AND a thicker atmosphere. One of Mars' moons, Phobos, is an odd duck. The Russians sent a dual probe to Phobos in 1988 which failed (well, disappeared really) and one in 1996 which never left earth orbit. So, now a trip to Mars is more a logistics problem that a physical endurance test. Have to send people if the EM drive works. Mars is just an endless treasure trove of possibilities.


Maverick


I Only Have Eyes For You




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 31 01:30:18 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Sure, it might be the word 'trivia' that's causing the problems, since I am obviously still able to post under my own name.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 31 00:55:57 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Would you like me to try entering
'Trivia Girl' in one of my post so
we can see what happens?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 22:23:20 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
For some reason, they spam filters block me when I try to use my 'Trivia' name for the trivia question. Still working on a workaround.

I will be off for a good chunk of the night, as I'll be attending a workshop in an hour.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 21:15:02 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Movies
Question: What did Ralphie want in the movie A Christms Story
Answer: Red Ryder gun

Trivia sharpshooters: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan
Trivia missing the marK: Agent Cooper, Maverick

Agent Cooper - Believe it not, actual work!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jul 30 21:09:20 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Maverick Some thing smight require live oversight, some possible industrial procedures. (where's the foam steel they promise dint eh 80s?) Also, some advance ex[ploration is needed if terraforming Mars or Venus, or O'Neill colonies, are to be considered.

OldManFan whom I didn't expect

(visualize me hrrmphing this with a stage British accent)

The Harmony and Tara dolls would be the same size, material, and level of realism as the Angel Puppet. I do not, sir, go "thinking thoughts" about women young enough to be my daughetrs, however much older than my real daughter they are, nor do I use plastic girlfriends.

Now as to where the dolls would be kept, w3hther they are kept in box or out, and whether they are kept in different places depending on whether I'm in or out of the room, are other questions of interest only to myself.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 20:48:09 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Two guys walk into a bar.




The third guy ducks.


WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 18:24:48 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: Yeah, but here's the thing - who says we need to send astronauts anywhere? Everybody is hung up on sending people all over space. Don't need to. Send ROBOTS! We've had rovers operating on Mars for how long now no prob?

We can send machines to explore and exploit the solar system just fine, and maybe terraform the planet so it's ready when we DO want to send people up.

In the meantime, 3 months there and back makes it doable to bring back some resources to earth. If EM Drive is relatively cheap compared to rockets (and it seems to be) then why not?

There's lots of water and diamonds and oil and gas and minerals and all kinds of goodies out there to be had, let's go get it!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 18:02:46 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


DaddyCatALSO,

Immediately after reading the DGMAQ, Harmony came to mind. An epiphany, most likely. *g*


WG



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 30 17:35:32 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: An assault rifle, whatever THAT is.


Belated Yay, Thoin, Yay!


Yay, greengirl, Yay!


Trivia Question: Name of Song and where does it come from? Lyrics: "Onto your Waterloo whispers my heart. Pray I'll be Wellington, not Bonaparte."


Agent Cooper: I'd seen something on that EM Drive elsewhere. 70 days to Mars? That puts it in reach. I'm sure there are cosmonauts who've spent that much time on the International Space Station. The danger is atrophy of muscles, etc., AND exposure to cosmic rays. The old time frame of around a year was too dangerous without a LOT of new special preparations.


Maverick


Peace Train




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 17:17:20 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: What's going on? Promotion? Catered Lunch?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 16:56:55 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Finally! A not-boring day at work.



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 30 16:44:21 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO - what size Harmony doll are you suggesting... cause that's a little creepy. *g

Just kidding.
OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jul 30 16:38:46 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I reckon your reasons and mine for suggesting a Harmony doll are different. Especially since I'd like to see thembranch out Buffy regulars, like Tara . . . .



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 16:03:33 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: An official Merr-Sonn Munitions E-11 Blaster Rifle



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 30 14:51:35 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 14:44:34 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Movies
Question: What did Ralphie want in the movie A Christms Story



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Dogmeat says:
(Thu Jul 30 13:59:26 2015 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
yay greengirl!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jul 30 12:58:48 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! greengirl!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 30 12:53:01 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, July 30th, 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!



Boy Wonder
Coma Girl
FallenAngelxyz
Kinsey730
Phil

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Boy Wonder, Coma Girl, FallenAngelxyz, Kinsey730, Phil!



Looks like civilization finally caught up with us. Mal, 'Bushwhacked'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 12:42:19 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
yay greengirl!



Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 30 11:55:14 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greengirl!

yay greengirl!



Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 06:53:16 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 30 06:53:55 2015
Yay Thoin!



And the favorite child is...

(buzzfeed)



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

If, in "Smile Time", more members of team Angel were turned into puppets, who should have been next, etc.?

Harmony, because she was always someone's puppet. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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Thoin says:
(Thu Jul 30 05:49:04 2015 98.253.137.40) [Edit/Delete]
Well, apparently nobody else is here but me and the Friendly Bartender. And HE'S not gonna treat me to a frosty gingerale-and-lime. Sigh. And it's late, so...

dogmeat and lostinamerica, thank you for the Yays! I appreciate them a lot!

Time to pack it in...

Thoin gives a side glance at the dingoes dancing in the corner, but decides its too late to chase them into the Lurkage to clean. "Next time", she mutters darkly as she passes them. The Friendly Bartender, who isn't totally heartless, passes her a damp napkin to hold over her nose and mouth as she makes her way through the filthy Lurkage.

Night all!
Sleepy-poof!



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Thoin says:
(Thu Jul 30 04:37:10 2015 98.253.137.40) [Edit/Delete]
There is a small commotion in the Lurkage, and the dingoes dancing in the corner look up, clearly alarmed. A huge cloud of grayish dust billows out of the lurkage, softly coating everything nearby, including unwary Bronzers. The Friendly Bartender grabs a nearby spray bottle of seltzer water and begins spraying things, and people, down as a dark, grimiy figure shambles in from deepest Lurkage and heads toward the Comfy Famlet Couch. The Friendly Bartender grunts to himself, and tosses the figure a large stack of paper towels as it passes. The figure nods it's thanks and utilizes the towels as it continues it's shamble. By the time it reaches its destination, enough muck has been removed to reveal Thoin, who finally plops down on the Comfy Famlet Couch with a relieved sigh...

Made it! I've been told it's my Yay Day! I've been busy, doing nothing exciting enough to warrant the doing of, but unavoidable nonetheless. And then stopped in to see that I've been Yayed!!!

It's so nice to be remembered. Incredibly improbable, but enormously nice.

Still too unemployed to spring for a cold gingerale-and-lime, but I don't think there's anything stopping me from just hanging out here for a bit. There are people here! And me!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 03:26:54 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

A perhaps unspoken question was
why Napoleon was unable to
regroup and fight again,
another day? I do not know if
Napoleon committed all his
forces to the campaign that
ended at Waterloo. In land
warfare, it's usually good
practice to keep some troops in
reserve to deal with surprises
or to exploit opportunities or
to backstop collapse. But
Napoleon may have just gone for
broke or been too self-
confident.

As it was, the French probably
decided the sequel was not as
good as the original and
cancelled Napoleon. He was
caught and this time exiled to
the island of St Helena deep in
the South Atlantic.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 02:54:48 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Napoleon had been defeated before and exiled to Elba, an island off the
coast of Italy or southern France (I don't remember which one). He was
provided with a ~castle and a small entourage.

All the other countries, of every size and shape, gathered in Vienna to
sort out the results and create a new world order. In actuality, TPTB -
Russia, England, Prussia, and Austria - aimed to restore the
conservative monarchs and damp down the revolutionary movements roused
by France.

Meanwhile, back in Elba, Napoleon grew restless. Bored, he escaped the
island with a small contingent of men and marched on Paris, then under
rule be the restored Bourbon monarch.1 The French king in
turn sent troops to stop Napoleon. The Marshall in command swore he
would return to Paris with Napoleon in chains. Instead, upon
encountering Napoleon he swooned and declared his loyalty. Napoleon
again ruled France.

Napoleon knew he had to quickly defeat the allied forces. At the time,
allied forces consisted of British, Prussian, and Dutch forces scattered
about Belgium. One of Napoleon's favorite stratagems was to move quickly
and position his forces where he could first attack one portion of an
opponent's forces before turning on the other and defeating it. He
gathered his forces and headed northeast towards Belgium

When the Duke of Wellington, England's military commander, first learned
Napoleon was on the loose again, he was attending a party. He asked his
host if he had map of the area. The two headed to the library (where
Giles' great-great grandfather resided).

The Duke had direct command of the British/Dutch forces and moved them
~south towards where he thought Napoleon was approaching. The Prussian
forces were further east. The Duke probably intended to link-up with the
Prussians, but Napoleon got to the Prussians first. Big Battle.

... I'm completely unfamiliar with the French/Prussian battle, other
than the Prussians were not destroyed, but I believe were beginning to
withdraw east, away from the French forces ...

Meanwhile, some of Napoleon's forces had encountered the British-Dutch
forces near a cross-roads, which I believe in English translated into
the ~ Four Arms (I can't spell the French, Quatre Bras?). The British
took a licking, but the French Marshall on scene (Ney?) did not press
his advantage. Late in the day, under the cover of rain and darkness,
the British-Dutch forces withdrew to the north to a ridge. Ney declined
to follow.

... This decision was probably a major factor in Napoleon's later
defeat...

The British-Dutch forces arranged themselves along the reverse side of
the ridge and prepared for the French attack the next day. A quick and
dirty guide to tactics of the day. There were three major types of
units: Infantry-Artillery-Cavalry. They interacted much like the game
Stone-Scissors-Paper.

- In a square formation, infantry could always stop cavalry.

- Artillery was used to break up an infantry square.3

- Cavalry could run-down infantry not in a square and under the right
conditions capture artillery. Cavalry was also used to for scouting
(reconnaissance), screening, running messages, and the like.


At Waterloo, Wellington and Napoleon played Stones-Scissors-Papers.
Wellington primarily played defense, hoping to Napoleon would wear out
his forces. And, Wellington waited and prayed for the Prussians to
arrive. Which leads to the next critical factor contributing to
Napoleon's defeat.

The Prussians had been retreating/withdrawing when the Prussian
commander learned of Wellington's predicament. Others might have said,
C'est la guerre, but the Prussian commander was an aggressive and loyal
soldier. He marched towards Waterloo - and apparently arrived in the
nick of time.

So, based on my small knowledge of the battle, two general officers made
two decisions that probably lead to Napoleon's defeat. First, Ney both
declined to press his attack on Wellington the day before and let
Wellington withdraw to a new position. Second, the Prussian commander
chose to aid his ally rather than head home.

That said, Wellington was a great commander leading professional troops.
He had never fought Napoleon before, but was himself unconquered in ~16
previous battles. Bonaparte gambled once too often.

And that said, Wellington said of Waterloo ~ It was a damn close thing.


1 There was an English ~diplomat who was tasked with keeping
an eye on Napoleon. When he discovered Napoleon gone, this diplomat
boarded a British warship and sailed along the coast, stopping at
different ports to ask, "Anyone seen Napoleon?"

2 The apparent tradition was to name battles after the
closest town. Waterloo was a town near the ridgeline. It was not the
closest, but Wellington thought it would be easier to pronounce for
Brits.

3 One way to defend infantry against artillery was to deploy
the infantry on the opposite side of ridge from the opposing artillery.
The artillery might be able to shoot over the ridge (indirect fire), but
they couldn't aim directly at the infantry. One use of cavalry was to
locate the infantry squares and post flags or markers as guides or
aiming points for the artillery.


WG



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agent cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 02:15:19 2015 100.4.180.93) [Edit/Delete]
geez I'm terrible typing on this PS Vita...even worse
than during the day at whup, when i'm rushing to
finish a thought between aswering emails!

ohh..guardians of galaxy is on, sweet!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 02:11:25 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

He had a bad day. *g*

More follows a few minutes.

WG



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agent cooper says:
(Thu Jul 30 02:10:14 2015 100.4.180.93) [Edit/Delete]
chris marlowe- good cboice! Druids can become
super powerful by mid level. at least they could in
d&d 3.5. so much so that they could get a bit over
powered. i think they may have toned them down
a bit in PF to balance the game out.

you know there are some online sites that make
character creation easier, but you should
checkvwith your gm to see which ones are legql in
yout group.

having said that i think its better for new players to
roll up new characters manually, i think it helps in
learning the game.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 01:45:24 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard How did Napoleon get
defeated at Waterloo?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 30 00:35:23 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
[Okay, I've settle on a half-elvish druid named Kyria. Got the ability scores figured out, now trying to figure out the rest of it.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 30 00:32:52 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I recognized Napoleon's quote and a variation of the second quote. There
are several ~Murphy's Rules of Combat~. Checked one for the second quote,
but didn't see it (that said there were around 40 rules and I may have
missed it). There was this one ...

"A Purple Heart just goes to prove that were you smart enough to think of a
plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive."

*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 29 22:52:29 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Home!

Now to try to roll a character...



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 29 20:50:30 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Angel
Question: Who was Cordy's guide in the episode Birthday?
Answer: Skip

Trivia Masters: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl, Agent Cooper
!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jul 29 20:00:41 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard - Daddycat: Not really related but these popped into my head after reading WGs post.

My favorite Napoleon quote:

"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

Also, this one. Heard it a lot back in the service, not sure who originally said it:

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your strategy sucks."


:-)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 29 19:56:06 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Much, much too true *g.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 29 18:48:41 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

This doesn't reply to your request, but useful...

Pocket Card (Dept of Homeland Security)


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 29 18:37:52 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 29 18:38:23 2015
Drive-By


Christopher Marlowe,

I'll see what I can find for you.


DaddyCatALSO,

Different people, different needs. And to quote two famous thoughts on plans ...


~ No plan meets battle intact.


~ Men plan. God laughs.


*g*


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jul 29 18:27:13 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Hottest day of the year so far here! It's in the 90s and HUMID. It's hot. Like, Africa type hot. And to think I was almost gonna ride my bike in to work today. Glad I didn't!

Lunch was a bologna sammich with mustard. Mmmmmm! What did you guys have for lunch?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jul 29 16:47:49 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Skip.

And look, just so everybody is clear on this I'm totally copying from Notsoshygirl because, frankly, I don't know the answer and she's always right.


A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend.



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Dogmeat says:
(Wed Jul 29 16:47:36 2015 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Thoin!



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jul 29 16:46:44 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Skip.

OMF



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jul 29 15:49:14 2015 70.197.164.245) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Thoin!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jul 29 14:45:34 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Skip



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 29 14:40:57 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Angel
Question: Who was Cordy's guide in the episode Birthday?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 29 14:28:44 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard With my large size, clumsiness, and foot and joint problems, I for one would have trouble with your plan. Plus my general fear that doing almost anything can be seen, whereas if you're out of sight the shooter has to move to another position to see you.
But it's a good solid plan.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jul 29 13:40:02 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
I'm reading today some buzz about something called an "EM Drive" that NASA has invented.

Supposedly, it can get a spacecraft to the moon in 4 hours and to Mars in 70 days.

There's mixed reports about whether it really works or not, it hasn't been tested in space for real yet.

Pretty cool if it does. Warp drive will be next I suppose, and then the Prime Directive will finally be lifted on Earth. :-)

(Which could be good or maybe not so good, actually.)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jul 29 13:17:19 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: Actually the RE Brokers couldn't make a deal exactly BECAUSE the land was so valuable.

The aim of the owners was to preserve the fun park somehow. But nobody was willing to buy the park and run it intact when the land was worth such a gigantic amount of money - I'm talking MUCH more money than running a kiddie park would ever make anybody, and without the work of managing the park.

It wasn't going to happen, unless some white knight with very deep pockets stepped in and took over the park as a goodwill gesture towards the community. Local leaders went to some effort to arrange something like this.

People say there was very nearly a deal made with the local 6 Flags park to take it over and run it as sort of an auxiliary park for the smaller kids. The idea was that this would be a great community image booster and also help them promote business for their main park. (Their main park is bit farther north of here.) Unfortunately that deal fell apart for some reason.

Anyway, the way things shook out worked really well.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jul 29 13:13:40 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for thoin!

yay thoin!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the whedonesque puppet theater - everyone has a part

if, in smile time, more members of team angel were turned into puppets, who should have been next, etc.?


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jul 29 13:07:10 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, July 29th , 2015 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Amarra
closeyoureyes
LittleDemon
poohbeee
Rufus
sassyeggs
sunshineprincess

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Amarra, closeyoureyes, LittleDemon, poohbeee, Rufus, sassyeggs, sunshineprincess!



've really got to learn to just do the damage and get out of town. It's the 'stay and gloat' that gets me every time.
Ethan Rayne, 'A New Man'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 29 04:07:24 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I hadn't looked yet, but I would be interested to see a video that teaches civilians who just happen to be able to carry handguns at work how to utilize them in situations like workplace violence.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 29 01:42:41 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 29 01:43:49 2015
DaddyCatALSO,

My generic plan would be to move from cover to cover to get out of the
affected area. Engaging a shooter would depend on the circumstances.


Agent Cooper,

I know of several cases where folks, unarmed or with makeshift weapons,
disarmed and subdued gunmen. This does not mean I favor such an approach
over having a firearm. That said, the quote ~ Having a gun doesn't make
one a shootist anymore than having a guitar makes one a musician~ is
spot on.

Having the proper mindset is more important than having a weapon. Many
bad people are good at reading attitude. If one has a weapon, but not
the attitude to use it, then the bad guy will take the weapon.

From a PEW survey ...

1. Where are the gun owners in US?

Percentage that own guns: West 34%, Midwest 35%, South 38%, Northeast
27%


2. Ethnicity (percentage than own guns)

Non-Hispanic Whites 41%, Blacks 19%, Hispanics 20%


3. Age (just noting two age groups here)

Of people between 18-29 years old, 26% own a gun(s)

Of people between 50-64 years old, 40% own a gun(s)


4. Locale (percentage of people owning guns)

Urban 25%, Suburban 36%, Rural 51%




WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 28 23:06:22 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jul 28 23:16:54 2015
Home!

ETA

Agent Cooper Yeah, if someone is that determined to shoot everyone up, there isn't much we can do unless someone spots the signs beforehand. I do see your point in that if someone is fantasizing about doing such a thing at at work, they might think twice about it.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 28 21:02:22 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnyale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What class did Professor Walsh teach at Sunnydale University?
Answer: Psychology

Trivia Professors: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan
Trivia Assistants: Agent Cooper, Maverick



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 28 18:25:29 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Well, yeah, I get that. I'd maybe worry in traffic a bit more. :-)

Seriously though, I look at this way: If somebody really, really wants to do violence, they're going to do it. It's scary and depressing, but if somebody really has a burning desire to shoot up their office, or a movie theatre, or a college, there's nothing anybody can do to stop them.

The only thing we can do is level the playing field. If everybody is allowed to carry a gun, that means anybody COULD have one. That makes things much trickier for the bad guys out there that want to do violence.

That also would mean people who are uncomfortable around guns don't necessarily have to carry one to benefit. You may have a gun, you may not. But that mugger coming down the street can't be sure anymore. Sue can't be sure if you have one. She can't be sure who else in the office has one either. Settling some scores at the office with her Glock may not be so easy or fun as she fantasized if everybody draws and shoots back. She'll maybe think twice.

Not only that, but if she does decide to make a move, half a dozen co workers may draw on her and end that move pretty quick, stopping a mass tragedy. Still horrible but better than reading about another massacre in the papers.

I honestly believe that realistically 99.9 percent of people are law abiding and don't want trouble, and wouldn't even imagine shooting anybody. Many folks wouldn't even want a gun even if it was handed to them for free and legally. That's why I have no problem with a national no holds barred carry law. I don't think there'd be gunfights ala the wild west or anything.

And any bad guys who want guns already have them, gun control laws are silly.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jul 28 17:52:12 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Women's Studies, from TT's to VJJ's


Agent Cooper: Okay, if the land was so valuable, I'm surprised some smart R.E. brokers couldn't construct a deal. Here in Michigan they have been stripping MonkeyBars and JungleJyms and Seesaws and Swings and those little run-along-beside and then-jump-on rotating merry-go-rounds, etc., from playgrounds, as they get too many lawsuits from parents whose kids are supposedly injured. So, the attorneys destroy another enjoyment of our youth.


lostinamerica: Or a male or female driver putting on makeup.


Okay, someone mentioned Jimmy Hoffa. The last place he was seen alive was The Red Fox Restaurant in Bloomfield, Michigan. My only claim to fame was that I was once Controller of that Red Fox Restaurant, but long AFTER the Hoffa incident.


Agent Cooper, Christopher Marlowe: Yes, but surprisingly no one actually MUST be armed with a concealed weapon for the deterrent to work. Just the uncertainty and possibility will discourage the mass murderer looking for a easy mark shooting gallery (where none of the targets will shoot back.)


Beldin: Run from a gun but zigzag and get behind cover ASAP; charge a knife but first pick up something you can swing.


Maverick


I Will Follow Him




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 28 17:17:54 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I'm not so sure. I can see shooters expecting they wouldn't survive their encounter, either by taking themselves out or suicide by cop. They aren't operating in the most rational frame of mine anyways.

I'm trying to envision my own office, which has about a 100 people with everyone possessing a firearm. How is that safe situation for anyone?

I certainly don't want to have a gun and having Sue across the aisle with a Glock wouldn't exactly make me all happy inside.

I still don't see how making everyone armed to teeth makes society better or safer?



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jul 28 16:39:26 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Intro to Zombie... Psychology 101.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 28 15:16:29 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: "Barricade and prepare defenses." What defenses? If the other guy has a gun and nobody else does, you're pretty much buggered.

Universal concealed carry would solve alot of this mass shooting nonsense. I've seen polls that say more and more people are realizing this, thankfully.

None of these idiots would be so brave or eager to commit violence if they realized they were going to a shootout (where they might very well be outgunned) instead of a nice comfortable one-sided massacre.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 28 15:10:56 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: HST Termination, Theory and Practice.

Oh, and also some dumb liberal arts throwaway anthro course.

:-)



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jul 28 14:50:38 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Introduction to Psychology



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 28 14:43:26 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: I live in NYS, believe me I know all about business killing taxes and regs.

But in this particular case of the amusement park, that wasn't it. It was more of unique situation.

The current park owners, an older couple, wanted to retire. They had hoped their children would carry on the family business and take the park over and run it, but the kids had all moved on to other interests and none of them wanted it.

The other factor was that as time went on, the previously quiet stretch of road the park was situated on had become developed over the years. Hotels and business were going up all along the stretch of road the park was on. By the time the owners were ready to retire, the land the park was on was surrounded by lucrative retail space and the plot occupied by the park was worth ALOT of money -- many, many times what the park itself was worth. The owners were being approached daily with huge offers of cash for the land.

This is why they could not sell the park as is. Nobody in their right mind would buy the park just to leave it alone and run it when the land by itself was worth exponentially more to developers, and it would be crazy for the owners to sell the park for what it was worth and walk away from a fortune. It made no business sense.

So the owners were in a bind. They respected the very real sentimental the place had to the community, and wanted to find a way to preserve it but were under enormous financial pressure (both ways) to sell out.

They showed alot class during the whole thing, I must say. Most people would have just taken the money and ran, but they held out for a long time trying to find a way to preserve the park.

Finally a well known local business swooped in and bought the rides and equipment, transplanted the park and the owners got the money for the land. Happy ending for everybody I think.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 28 14:42:11 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnyale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What class did Professor Walsh teach at Sunnydale University?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jul 28 14:28:57 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick lostinamerica Depending how the lanes are laid out and what's on the shoulder, at times there's no choice.

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe It's fairly obvious that begging is what a mass murderer, rapist, or many other criminals *want*. So, that's not a good idea, you're right. Beyond that yes, it depends.
It strikes me that staying out of site a s best you can then if the shooter sees you, lunge immediately, might be a workable plan Except you mgith still eb hiding after it's over and "lunge ona cop or paramedic.



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TheBirthdayGnomette;smurfette says:
(Tue Jul 28 13:06:50 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, July 28th, 2015 C.E.

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays!



ACOLYTE
Amaltheia
atalantis
baby2
Cthulhu
Fate_Blaze
greengirl
Heather
Jubilee
Kaseyk
Serendipity

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
ACOLYTE, Amaltheia, atalantis, baby2, Cthulhu, Fate Blaze, greengirl, heather, Jubilee, Kaseyk, Serendipity!



Just call me the computer whisperer.Willow, 'Buffy vs Dracula'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 28 12:52:51 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Yay happy!

deadguy qod

Sunnydale is okay, for a vampire town. Mayberry would be a pleasant (but boring) place to live. That town with Larry, Darryl and Darryl, would be nice too, or the town in Northern Exposure.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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KAM says:
(Tue Jul 28 12:34:10 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY HAPPY

Deadguy QOD
: Wherever it was that Dawson's Creek took place. That town seemed nice.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jul 28 12:16:24 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--Women know to walk on the left facing traffic--better to see the guy in the serial killer van coming ;)

Young women, of course, completely disregard this little piece of advice, being young and thinking they'll live forever :(



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jul 28 12:09:43 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for happy

yay happy!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

t.v. towns - a nice place to visit... or live

what are some of your favorite t.v. towns - you don't have to love the show to love the town and vice versa?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Jul 28 04:29:26 2015 74.33.113.117) [Edit/Delete]
"He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put
one of his in the morgue. That's the Chicago way." - Jimmy Malone (Sean Connery),
The Untouchables



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 28 03:23:44 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

I'd like to add a caveat to
Hoffa's advice. Running from a
gun is the way to go if you
believe you're far enough away
that the shooter is not likely
to hit you. What's 'far enough'
depends on the individual
shooter. Since we probably
don't know the shooter's
ability, then we're playing the
odds.

I've seen a lot of people miss
the center mass of targets at
25 feet when they are
relatively calm and taking,
what I view, as a lot of time
to aim and fire.

From what I can gather from
descriptions of some active
shooter cases, the shooters
were often firing at point-
blank to conversational
distances - across the desk.
Kids hiding under tables.


WG



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Beldin says:
(Tue Jul 28 03:16:19 2015 162.216.46.93) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - The one time
strangers in a car would have been
preferred.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 28 02:46:44 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

I think Jimmy had it right. Too
bad he didn't listen to his Ma
about being taken for a ride. *g*

WG



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Beldin says:
(Tue Jul 28 02:34:24 2015 162.216.46.93) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I think
I've seen it or one like it. We had a
mandatory security meeting at the
hospital a couple of years ago.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 28 02:14:17 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd, Beldin I googled
and found the Run, hide, fight video.
very straightforward and
understandable. Not something I hope
to put into practice anytime soon.



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Beldin says:
(Tue Jul 28 02:05:48 2015 162.216.46.93) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.


wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe - Jimmy Hoffa supposedly coined the adage, "Charge a gun; run from a blade."



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jul 28 01:46:16 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica: Ever since I started paying my own bills, I developed my father's perceptive hearing, and I can now always hear the heat coming on (which I couldn't hear as a kid, which just means bigger gas bills) so I prefer the summer. I just put on another application of deodorant. Funny I also never knew what a draft was when I was a kid. My father would say, "Where's that draft coming from? Did someone leave the (insert room) door open?" As a kid I would look and look all over for one of those draft things, and I had no concept of what the man was even talking about. But now I know exactly what it is, although thank heavens it does not affect me the way it did him (sinus problems.)


Okay, I often walk around my neighborhood (nothing like "The Hood" and I don't wear a hoodie) in the evenings, and I constantly notice other people also out walking, but doing it WRONG. I was always taught, "Walk on the left side of the road, facing traffic." This always made perfect sense to me because you could see the oncoming car and the driver and where his eyes were looking (just like a defensive player watching a quarterback who wants to pass) and you could tell where the car is headed and get off the road if there's danger before it's upon you. Whereas if you walk on the right side of the road, you will never see the car that hits you from behind. I am reminded of Stephen King, the horror writer, who was out walking several years back and was hit by a van, but King was doing it exactly right. King was walking on the left side; the van was actually in the other lane traveling in the same direction as King. But the van driver got distracted and actually crossed the center line and hit King from behind, doing a good deal of damage to him, if you remember. In time the van driver was vilified by others (not publicly by King) and eventually committed suicide. Who would have guessed?


Maverick


Drive




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 28 01:11:13 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jul 28 01:15:19 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

There are some ways civilians can mitigate workplace violence. One is to
learn behavioral changes associated with a tendency for violence. Second
is to watch for such changes in others in your work environment. Third
is to report any concerns so observed.

Currently there are steps civilians can take when faced with workplace
violence...

If you hear gunfire, assess its direction and move away from it.
1

If you are unwilling or unable to move away from it, then HIDE,
BARRICADE, and PREPARE defenses should you be found.

If the above two are not possible or fail, then FIGHT2


Part of preparing for the above is to learn the exits-entrances-
stairwells-floorplans of you work place. As you approach a public space,
observe the people in and around it. Seriously, some people blunder into
robberies and public disputes because they're daydreaming or attending
to their cell phones. Be aware of life around you.


1 Be aware the difference between concealment and cover.
Concealment hides you, but does not shield you. Cover shields you. The
difference depends on the type of bullet coming your way. Rifle bullets
will go through interior office walls. Many handgun bullets will go
through the same.

2 It's harder to hit a moving person than a stationary one.
More people survive handgun shots than die. However, if you surrender or
freeze or kneel and beg, then the shooter gets a close, stationary
target. If you - and possibly others - charge like banshees throwing,
swinging, hitting, spitting ... then the shooter has problems.

Of course, having a gun and knowing how to use it works better than
throwing your cell phone.


ETA Currently the response to active shooters is shorten to RUN-HIDE-
FIGHT. I believe before running you should take care not to run the
wrong way. You can learn more by googling 'Active Shooter Run Hide
Fight"


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 28 00:13:57 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I think there is a
difference in public/prison riots.
With prison riots, you are
obviously in a contained area and
the rioters are more likely I think
to be hurt or killed. Prison riots
seem to be violent and short-lived,
public riots may last a lot longer.

1. Mitigation - actions taken to
reduce an particular event or
minimize its impact.

I think background checks, firearm
certification/training/registration
are all mitigating actions.

2. Preparedness - actions taken in
advance to respond to the
particular event.

This might be what the police do in
such situation. I don't think there
is much in the way of training of
private citizens who may find
themselves in a shooting-in-
progess.

3. Response - actions taken during
the event to save lives, prevent or
minimize injuries, and to protect
property from damage or
destruction.

See #2



4. Recovery - actions taken after
the event has ended to restore the
affected community.

There are always reports of
counselors being sent to a
particular area after a tragedy.
Perhaps more communal things can be
developed to restore order and
normalcy.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 27 23:25:38 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica ROFL! Very true.

And now we have the CRack! Boom! of a storm right now.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jul 27 22:47:52 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--I've always preferred winter days to summer days because you can put on more clothes but there's only so many you can take off ;)


Agent Cooper--That's a great story! *she says as she gets ready to vote for the mayoral candidate most likely to put the brakes on development in Nashville and therefore probably has no hope of winning :(*


Yay! Gothic Avenger!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 27 22:47:24 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jul 27 21:53:10 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jul 27 22:34:44 2015
Trivia Girl: The Mystical, Mysterious Obsessive-Compulsive Word-Repeating Guy.


Agent Cooper: I would be very interested in WHY the family decided to close down the "park." I think you will find, not to rain on your parade, but that 1). the property taxes went up on the "improved" land, 2). All utilities (washrooms) got more expensive. 3). Maintaining the equipment also got more expensive, and 4). Most importantly, the liability insurance (from children getting hurt and parents suing) premiums went way out of whack and the many lawsuits required too much time to defend and document. The key is that no one wanted to buy it where it was.


There were More Green Cards given out last year than the entire population of the original 13 colonies. Methinks some of these were given out brazenly illegally AFTER a federal judge put an injunction on further give-outs.


Maverick


Smooth




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 27 21:33:00 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Quotes
Question: who said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"?
Answer: FDR

Trivia Fearsome Particpants: notSoShyGirl, OldManFan

Agent Cooper That's a wonderful little story!



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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Jul 27 19:16:23 2015 74.33.113.163) [Edit/Delete]
Last-minute zoom through before
work


Agent Cooper That's a fantastic story! That should be submitted to a
paper, or a short-story contest or something. Just in your brief few paragraphs I could picture the generations of families going to the park, and the emotional
pain of perhaps losing such a wonderful summer tradition, and the relief of it
being saved and replicated, rather than torn down completely, or rebuilt to be "more in step with modern sensibilities."

Wow.

Zoom, zoom



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jul 27 17:40:04 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: We went to a local amusement park on Saturday. There's a little story behind this.

There is a small fun park here. It's an area favorite. Basically a small park with smallish rides, mostly for the littler kids. They added some larger rides as time went on too, but not anything too big. It's not a huge park. But it's family owned, and they've kept it pretty much the same for many years.

This park is a tradition for a lot of folks here. My parents took me to this park as a little kid, and I take my kids there. It's really something for people to watch their kids and their grandkids ride the same carousel they did. To us locals, the place is full of happy memories and it's basically as important to us in the local community as a historic landmark. Probably more so.

So last summer when the family who owned the park announced they were selling out, it shocked a lot of people. The family owners mounted a vigorous public effort to find a buyer to take over the park, but nobody wanted it. There was a facebook campaign to save the park, and local lawmakers even stepped in to try and help organize a sale. But nobody was able to work a deal. I remember going to the park on the last days of that summer and it was packed to the gills. Nobody wanted to see it close and everybody was making sure to go for one last time. It was sad.

Anyway, over the winter, just before they were going to tear down the park, a well known local business stepped in at the last minute and bought all the rides, and transplanted the whole park right next to their building downtown.

So Mrs. Cooper and I went to the new location for the first time last weekend and it was very nice. They did a great job of replicating the park pretty much as it was at the old location. The whole community is grateful for this, I know I am.

Hopefully it will still be there for my grandkids.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 27 16:46:42 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Hot enough to fry eggs?

Glad to hear Ant-man is good, I've seen others say the same thing!

Do anything else this past weekend?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jul 27 16:36:35 2015 199.168.151.142) [Edit/Delete]
Wow, it's hot here today! And it's going to be hotter tomorrow. Heat wave this week.

Saw Ant Man last week. It was REALLY good!! I was really surprised at how good it was.



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Jul 27 15:03:45 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - FDR.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jul 27 14:42:28 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Franklin D. Roosevelt



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 27 14:38:27 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Quotes
Question: who said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jul 27 12:54:00 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, July 27th , 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!



BUFFY_FRAY
jinx
Shanell
slayGal730
SupraMonkey

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
BUFFY FRAY, jinx, Shanell, slayGal730SupraMonkey!



I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services! Anya, 'Triangle

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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KAM says:
(Mon Jul 27 12:51:21 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY Gothic Avenger

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 27 12:47:44 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
yay gothic avenger!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jul 27 11:49:49 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for gothic avenger!

yay gothic avenger!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 27 03:00:47 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

Did the pigs mind? *g*

WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 27 01:53:37 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jul 27 01:54:58 2015
Maverick Very sad, but not surprising.


lostinamerica[/] I'm just about ready to go crazy from the heat. Give me a
blizzard, please!

Beldin A whole new view of Pig wrasslin'.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jul 27 01:45:31 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jul 27 08:06:13 2015
R.I.P. Bobbi Kristina Brown (daughter of Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown)


1001 Muslim Myths and Historical Revisions, a correction of the CNN P.C. fantasy.


I believe the consistently BEST program currently on TV is "Blue Bloods." They run syndicated past shows on weekends and I can't go past without re-watching. There's a kind of sweetness about an Irish family of NY cops, the show being produced by good-natured Jews, that attempts to show the good intentions of cops in general. Tom Selleck looks great (he's got a few years on him) and Donnie Wahlberg is best known for NKOTB but, acting-wise is known for his portrayal of a cop (he's played many.) A totally respectful show (there's always a generational Sunday dinner scene where someone says Grace.) They also are unabashedly Roman Catholic.


Maverick


Earth Final Conflict




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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jul 26 21:36:50 2015 70.215.194.178) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Nope, 92
degrees, 99 heat index :( We are
inside!



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Beldin says:
(Sun Jul 26 21:20:07 2015 135.26.32.22) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 26 17:58:50 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

Those steps were designed to deal with natural disasters - ice storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, wildfires, and the like. But, perhaps they can be applied to social disasters. I believe they can be applied, and probably have been, to riots.1 I've wondered if they can be applied to economic disasters.


1 Are there significant differences between public riots and prison riots?



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 26 17:18:20 2015 209.159.230.220) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica No breeze coming off the lake?

wolfguard Reading and thinking.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jul 26 16:44:47 2015 70.215.194.178) [Edit/Delete]
Visiting friends who live on a
lake in Arkansas, very relaxing but
hot, hot, hot!



Belated Yay! Safarigirl


Belated Happy Birthday dirty
socks!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jul 26 12:42:04 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, July 26th 2015 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!



Falcata
seaside
Silver Star

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Falcata, seaside, Silver Star!



Mom! Dead people are talking to you. Do the math! Buffy, 'Gingerbread'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 26 06:56:40 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Towards the discussion on public policies towards dealing with violence, here are the four steps followed in emergency management ...

1. Mitigation - actions taken to reduce an particular event or minimize its impact.

2. Preparedness - actions taken in advance to respond to the particular event.

3. Response - actions taken during the event to save lives, prevent or minimize injuries, and to protect property from damage or destruction.

4. Recovery - actions taken after the event has ended to restore the affected community.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Jul 26 03:25:29 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
What's ~mere~ Smith up to?. Watch her video "Big Girls Cry Project" which features Sia's song, "Big Girls Cry." Really an artistic collaboration. ~mere~ can write just so naturally like nobody's business. It's a shame she is not hooked up with a writing position on a currently being-produced TV Series. Oh, well, talent will out. BTW, if you've never seen the series "Rome" that ~mere~ wrote with Bruno Heller (who now writes "Gotham") you need to see it. It features the Best Gaius Julius Caesar portrayal (by Ciaran Hinds.)


Christopher Marlowe: We already ARE armed to the teeth and ANY tinkering (gun control measures) just takes guns away from the good guys and throws off the balance putting the bad guys (often the mentally-ill guys, sometimes the Muslim guys) in an advantageous position. I grew up during the Cold War, when the U.S. and the Soviet Union both had lots of nuclear missiles aimed at each other. And what happened? Nothing. Why? It was MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction.) It was worrisome BUT in another way it was also reassuring. Please note: the big mass murderers intentionally pick crime scenes where THEY have the advantage because the other side has its hands tied. They love gun-free zones as much as Liberals like to create them (hey, we're doing SOMETHING--[but nothing worth doing.]) Any kinds of unilateral disarmament (Obama's favorite) just creates chaos, uncertainty, as it just tempts the stronger side to screw with the weaker. Cause? Maybe good old testosterone, I don't know. But it's one of life's big paradoxes--try to look non-threatening and you just invite aggression. This is what's happening right now in the world as Putin screws with Obama in Crimea, Ukraine and with long-range bombers being provocatively, threateningly sent (does this news reach you?) towards our borders so that we must scramble jets to confront them. Now, the only reason, I can see, to try to enact gun control legislation which only reduces guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens (the good guys) to weaken them is, logically, if the government itself is the bad guy. Get it?


Maverick


Eyes Without a Face




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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 26 02:51:38 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Recently I had reason to review 'active shooter' cases and procedures for responding to them. One of the sources I used was an FBI study. Here's a link to ~10 Takeaways~ from the study. A few personal comments on it. WARNING: Some of these comments involve numbers and calculations that I'm drawing from memory, i.e. no notes before me.

First, an excerpt from ~Takeaway 2~

"In 13.1% of incidents, the situation ended after unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter. In 52% of those incidents, unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students confronted the shooters to end the threat. In 48% of those incidents, citizens, working or shopping when the shootings began, successfully restrained shooters until police could arrive..."

I believe using percentages in this excerpt are not as informative as using the raw numbers. There were 160 cases. 13.1%1 of 160 is around 21 cases. So out of 160 cases "unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter". The other side of the coin is in 139 cases they did not.2

So what happened in the other 139 cases?

An event begins when the person begins shooting and ends when the person shoots no more (in the vast majority of the cases the shooter stopped, because they committed suicide or were subdued by police or citizens or shot by police (memory says ~23 cases) or citizens (memory says ~3 cases).

In around half of the cases, the event ended before the police arrived. In a few of these the shooter left the site (and I assume were captured or committed suicide elswhere, I don't remember). The main reason most of the shootings ended before the police arrived was the shooter committed suicide.

In around half of the cases, the event ended after the police arrived and usually ended with the shooter committing suicide or the police killing the shooter.

Second comment, some folks take issue with ~Takeaway 4~ which states the number of active shooting events have been increasing in frequency. Since I haven't looked at the original research or the arguments against it, I have no position.


MOVING ON FROM THE TAKEAWAY'S

'Active Shooter' refers to a person(s) who enters an area of high population density with the apparent intent of killing as many people as possible. There seem to be two types of motives for this behavior: First, political, e.g. as we saw at least twice recently in East Africa (Kenya?). Second, mentally disturbed people, e.g. the young man who shot the children at Sandy Hook.

Active Shooters get more press coverage, but most violence through guns events are not active shootings. Set aside domestic violence and crime-related shootings, the first because it does not involve the public and the second because shooting is not an end of itself. The most common motive for a gun being used to kill another person in a public space is the shooter is angry with the person(s) attacked or its gangs warring.

Having offer these categories, some cases do not fit. In the Columbine shootings it appears the two shooters, or at least the leader, wanted to make a dramatic and egotistical point - You shouldn't have messed with me. The second shooter seemed to have been enthralled with the first. In the Aurora Theater shootings, the shooter's motives stump me. I believe he knew exactly what he was doing, but I don't know what he wanted to accomplish by doing it.

Anyway, I offer this as some context in exploring the questions or propositions about what can be done to make society safer from violence.


1 An event is discrete, so I don't know why the percentages are not whole numbers, such as 13% or 14%.

2 Note that the 52% and 48% are of the 21 cases where unarmed folks stopped the attack and do not apply to the 160 cases. So, 52% of 21 and 48% of 21.


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 26 01:33:54 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard You interpreted
correctly.

I often see the argument that if
people were allowed guns, shooters
wouldn't be as deadly as they are.

Or that if open carry was allowed
everywhere, that automatically
results in lower crime or something
to that affect.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 26 01:08:38 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Jul 26 01:10:21 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Were you saying you believe people who are against proposed gun control measures are people who believe an armed society is a peaceful society?

ETA The above is not a legalese or debating maneuver. *g* I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 25 22:10:08 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard At the moment, I'm feeling we're not.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 25 21:03:38 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Are we a peaceful society?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 25 20:27:25 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd It would seem more
achievable than attempting to change
the mindset that everyone needs to be
armed to make a peaceful society.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Jul 25 18:43:04 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: People that think like you actually believe the government can get an actual handle on the guns in this country. This is a delusion. There are so many weapons, accumulated over the years (often called "legacy" guns,) that the only ones they COULD get a handle on are the legally-owned registered guns. But, needless to say, THESE are not the problem. It's the guns in the hands of criminals that are the problem. Please note the major body-count tragedies in recent years have occurred where guns were banned in a certain area for some reason. (I mentioned Holmes in Colorado before; he actually drove past several other theaters to get to the one that banned guns.) D.C. and Chicago recently exploded in gun crimes when laws were passed there to try to limit guns (the criminals assumed the citizenry were suddenly sitting ducks.) It's just like in the world where a country disarms its defenses (like Obama is trying to do to us;) this just provokes aggression by its neighbors (they can't seem to resist seeing how far they can push a weakened country.) In the U.S. Criminals will always be able to obtain guns. Deal with it. The only one who might defend you (the cops are at least 15 minutes away and they will mistakenly shoot the complainant [that's you] 11% of the time.) To stop a bad guy with a gun you need a good guy with a gun. Obama (and you, methinks) want to disarm the good guy with the gun.


DaddyCatALSO: No, I AM really that cynical (I was just being modest, pshaw.) Yes, the government has a whole virtual warehouse full of these armed nut-cases and will trigger them during slow periods. Expect at least one a month for the rest of Obama's term (if he CAN be dislodged,) as it's still on his unfinished agenda list.


Maverick


Constant Craving




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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 25 18:40:27 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
CNN reports Taylor Swift's "T.S. 1989" clothing line may experience problems with Chinese authorities.

The line's name stands for 'Taylor Swift born 1989'; however, some Chinese will see T.S. as referring to Tiananmen Square where students rebelled against the authorities in 1989. Most Chinese who buy products from the line would not be wearing items to protest, but there may be a few. It will be enlightening to see how the authorities1 respond.


It is not specifically mentioned in the story, but in China it is taboo to talk of Tiananmen Square. It's of one the 'three taboo' subjects (the other two being Tibet and Taiwan).


1 Normally I would write 'government', but in China the government is a tool of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 25 17:39:10 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

So for you, the problem that needs to be resolved is access to guns?

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Jul 25 17:21:30 2015 216.164.173.90) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick "If I were just a bit more cynical, I would believe that there are people out there right now with mental problems and guns that may/may not act on them, and the Government is doing nothing about them hoping that they will create mayhem and another outcry to ban guns, etc"

To be honesty, I seriously do think that their *is* a conspiracy to release these people form hospitals, prisons, and other places where they can be kept neutral, intentionally *for* the purpose of pushing *harsh* gun control.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Jul 25 17:03:47 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: The 2nd Amendment is clear. Now, Obama wants to let all kinds of people into this country, who CAN threaten us, and then he wants to take away our defenses. When another illegal alien kills someone, no one rushes to want to create a new law to stop letting them in (which WOULD at least make some kind of sense--but even more sense would just be to enforce existing laws, which Obama brazenly ignores and no one--the press?--says boo to him.) And yet he constantly wants to go after guns (which traditionally is the first thing a tyrant does to project power.) The problem with that theater is the same problem with the Colorado theater (that guy Holmes who is currently awaiting sentencing.) They likewise posted a sign that it was a "gun-prohibited zone," which criminals interpret as "chances are, no one else will have a gun and will be able to stop me." If I were just a bit more cynical, I would believe that there are people out there right now with mental problems and guns that may/may not act on them, and the Government is doing nothing about them hoping that they will create mayhem and another outcry to ban guns, etc. Notice a person is shot and the Progressive Press is all in gun-banning mode again before the shot person hits the ground. This is all at Obama's direction.


Maverick


License to Kill




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 25 16:31:01 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd When the NRA agrees that gun control is a good thing and supports legislation rather than try to block everything and anything.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jul 25 13:29:00 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, July 25th, 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Grinn
Natty
Sassyeggs
Superrmk

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Grinn, Natty, Sassyeggs, Superrmk!



Question: Will hiding in a cavern with stockpiled chocolate goods be any part of this plan?Xander, 'This Year's Girl'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 25 03:46:47 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What would be a resolution?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 25 03:29:56 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard As per usual when there is a mass shooting, there is the renewed debate over gun control. It seems it will never be really resolved.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jul 25 02:08:19 2015 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
heya CM I'll try that...
thanks for the response WG
I'm outta time here, and no
internet connection at home right
now so I'll have to explore deep
space, the fluxy kind yaknow, with
you later.....



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 25 01:12:32 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th Hey there! Maybe
they just need a few more jigawatts,
aka 'Bck to the Future'



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 25 00:53:21 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th,

As I understand those who best understand the world, the speed of light
is the limit for objects. One/The reason for this limit is as an object
increases its velocity1 it also increases its mass. So
imagine a spaceship moving 1,000 miles an hour (which is really too slow
for a spaceship, but it's easy to write). If you want to increase the
ship's speed you have to apply more energy2. So you apply
more energy to increase the speed to 2,000 miles/hour and one
consequence is you have also increased the ship's mass. This means if
you want to increase the ship's speed some more, then it's going to take
more energy than before, because the ship has more mass. But you do it,
because you got the energy.

So along you go, every now and then stepping on the accelerator ...

2,000 m/h ... 3,000 m/h ... 100,000 m/h ... 1,000,000 m/h


As the speed increases, the ship's mass increases and with each increase
it will take more energy to accelerate the ship. You will reach a point
where the the mass will approach infinity and accelerating the ship
further will require infinite energy. You have hit a limit.

(The speed of light is ~186,000 miles/second. A light-year is the
distance light travels in a year which I vaguely recall is around 6
Trillion miles - but check this before quoting me. *g*)

That said, some physicists say while objects cannot go faster than
light, it's theoretically possible for objects to exist on the opposite
side of the barrier, e.g. tachyons (I'm not sure if these are real or
conceptual). If true, the question becomes does it matter if those are
the slow side cannot get to the fast side. :)

Sub-atomic particles

Protons, neutrons, and electrons compose atoms and they are almost
always vibrating, but they are not necessarily 'traveling' from A to B.
3 As you sit, the molecular, atomic, and sub-atomic
particles4 composing your body are vibrating. If you were to
be shot out of a circus cannon, your body as an corporate entity of sub-
atomic particles would be moving in a parabola, but if we could focus on
an individual atom of your body it'd just be vibrating around.

That said, photons are sub-atomic and, being the stuff of light, travel
at the speed of light (OTOH, I believe light can be slowed depending on
the medium - again, check before quoting me on this).

Two final notes:

1. Google "The Standard Model" (of physics) and "The Particle Zoo"

2. 'Particles' are 'really' quantum fields.



1 Speed and velocity are different, but for ease of writing
I'm treating them as the same.

2 A force is a push or a pull. Energy is usually described as
the capacity to do work. Professor Muller wrote that's a definition used
for convenience when teaching high school students and college
freshman/sophmores. It works well enough for them to do high school
physics. Muller says developing a fluent understanding of energy is
phased process that takes four years of physics or engineering to
develop. Since I'm not an engineer, I'll take his word for it. *g*

Oh, I know one scientist/science writer who says 'energy' is an anti-
force.

3 Protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, which I
imagine are also vibrating, but not necessarily moving in a single
direction.



WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Fri Jul 24 23:41:15 2015 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
Rereading Gene Roddenberry's
novelization of Star Trek the
Motion Picture I find his
explanation of hyperspace,
apparent shrinking of the
universe, and how we don't turn
into light when we reach light
speed but potentially break a
time barrier, if we do it right.

In the book, he, speaking from
Vejur's perspective, coined the
phrase, later popularly
attributed to the Borg in STtNG,
resistance was/is futile....

There is much to know or read on
the subject, but to
Wolfguard, do subatomic
particles travel faster than
light, or do they 'travel' at
all?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 24 23:32:36 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
A Quick Bravo to Innovation, Government, & Markets

Today the 'check engine' light appeared on the dashboard. I reacted to
that as I would to 'Warp Core Critical!'. My heart rate increased. I
kept any eye out for clear space to land.

Fortunately, I reached safe harbor. Pulled out the owner's manual to
remind myself what the light indicated. The OM said, essentially, see a
dealer. Not able to immediately to follow its directions, I got online
and began googling.

There were numerous articles and sites explain what 'check engine'
meant. One listed the top five reasons for the 'check engine' light to
go on. Another listed the top ten. The common denominator is there are
several reasons why the indicator might go on and serious damage can
develop if the underlying cause is not corrected.

Here are the five top reasons given by one site ...

1. Oxygen sensor not working correctly
2. Gas cap is not on tight
3. Catalytic converter is not working correctly
4. Mass Airflow Sensor is not working correctly
5. Spark Plugs need to be replaced

A loose gas cap is an easy fix and not costly to replace. On the other
end of the spectrum, a catalytic converter can run over a $1,000. How do
you know which cause is the problem?

All these devices are connected to a car's computer system. A mechanic
connects a diagnostic device to the car and it shows, using codes, the
status of the various devices. The mechanic might then examine the named
devices, then come to you and say, "You need to replace the spark plugs"
or "The MAS is kaput." My problem is I have a friend who was a mechanic
and he's told me scare stories about how some mechanics take customers
for a ride. What if you want to avoid that ride?

Here's where the government stepped in. Some years ago it required all
manufacturers to adopt a common standard on the devices and diagnostics.
This makes it more difficult for a evil mechanic or dealer to hide
behind make specific codes or proprietary dazzle words. Combine this
with the government requiring the diagnostic portal being easily
accessible and a market opportunity arose.

Some firms realized there was a potential market for diagnostic tools. A
lot of people might well want to check for some of the possible causes
behind the 'check engine' before visiting the dealer. There are now a
range of such diagnostic tools. I have found them for as low as $20 and
as high as $2000. I believe there is probably significant differences in
the quality and capabilities of the diagnostic devices at these two
ends, but the point is a market emerged to offer something for everyone
looking to understand what's behind 'check engine'.

Innovation: Computers, Computerized Cars, Internet
Government: Play fair
Markets: If we give you a good diagnostic tool for your car, you'll give
us money.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 24 23:20:32 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Otis Criblecoblis.


Whaaat? A shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana? Didn't he KNOW that it was a gun-free zone? Some people just do not pay attention to signs. But the point is: Some do.


Maverick


Hold Me Now




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 22:51:17 2015 209.159.230.13) [Edit/Delete]
home at last. the ended on a very good note.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 24 20:41:39 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Funny Bones
Question: What comedic actor coined the phrase "Never give a sucker an even break"?
Answer: WC Fields

Trivia Honorary Marx Brothers: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Jul 24 19:53:45 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe
What OldManFan said!



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jul 24 16:58:43 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I'm not sure we have a choice.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 16:53:21 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
NotsoShyGirl, OldManFan You trying to be wise guys? *g*



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jul 24 15:29:01 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - William Claude Dukenfield aka W.C. Fields.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Jul 24 14:42:26 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
W. C. Fields



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 24 14:37:23 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Funny Bones
Question: What comedic actor coined the phrase "Never give a sucker an even break"?



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KAM says:
(Fri Jul 24 12:30:36 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY SAFARIGIRL

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jul 24 12:17:18 2015 209.159.230.95) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, July 24th , 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5 Birthdays!



Alyiania
BiffyBuffy
Dirty Socks
Kalika
Mr.EverDawn

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Alyiania, BiffyBuffy, Dirty Socks, Kalika, Mr. EverDawn!



You turned evil a lot faster than I thought you would. Angel, 'Just Rewards (2)'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 12:07:55 2015 209.159.230.95) [Edit/Delete]
yay safarigirl!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 24 11:36:47 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for safarigirl!

yay safarigirl!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jul 24 11:18:34 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard--I know how to unplug--unplug ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 24 07:00:07 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jul 24 07:05:26 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm not approaching the what-if with its politicians having hindsight. I'm asking whether a big data approach, had the technology existed, would it have given the rulers and advisers a better insight into where their decisions were leading them.

In the summer of 1914 the rulers and advisers were perceiving the unfolding events through telegrams. Would they have perceived matters differently if that had the access to data we have today?

ETA The Archduke had a greater sympathy for the Serbians than most Austro-Hungarian elites. As I recall, his visit coincided with some historical event that was dear to Serbian nationalists and some of them felt his decision to visit at that time was insulting. What if there had been social media and it got the attention of the Archduke's advisers leading them to conclude maybe it would be too dangerous for the Archduke to go or he, himself, might have realized his visit would be viewed as offensive.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 03:59:27 2015 209.159.209.199) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd The rise of
metadata.

I'm not sure if the canard of 'if
we knew then, what we know now'
applies with the WWI situation.

Was there enough of a foundation or
framework (if not technology) to be
able to have analyzed the situation
like that? I'm not sure.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 24 01:45:51 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jul 24 01:55:49 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

All those guys drew on some external sources - observations, listening to
others, reading books, etc. There was ~raw material that went into their
analysis. People using big data are 'just' gathering vastly more data, but
they still have to apply thought or analytical tools to the data to draw
conclusions.1

Historians of World War I have some general agreements over why war
resulted from an assassination. The hypothetical question - if big data had
existed in 1913 would analysts have been able to warn of the danger of a
war starting?

1 I'm sure some are running their datasets through analytical
filters and seeing what pops up. This used to be considered a bad practice,
but now ....

WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 01:35:40 2015 209.159.209.199) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I would assume that
with individuals like Machiavelli
Hobbes, Locke, et al, there was a
strong interpersonal component to
their studies? The Data Mining seems
to focus on people's output, so to
speak, not so much on the people
themselves.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 24 01:30:49 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jul 24 01:32:30 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

The ~futurecaster~, DeeDee
Gordon, came across like other
such folks I've come across in
the past. Recall Faith Popcorn?
Does anyone keep track of their
batting averages? *g*

Some of her noted trends seemed
exercises in relabeling
previously noted trends. She
noted how people are searching
the web for experiences with
'like-minded' people - is this
really a new trend?

Carping aside, I do wonder if
'mining' the amount of "Big
Data" (that's a 'new' trending
buzzphrase) available will lead
to better understanding of
social behavior. When I go back
and run through the big names
in social studies such as Machiavelli
Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau,
Malthus, Smith, Tocqueville,
Ricardo, Marx, Keynes, etc. I
ponder on the data sets they
drew on to produce their works
of social analysis. They
certainly did not have the
amounts of data we do, but have
we produced better
understandings?

WG



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ChristopiherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 24 01:14:23 2015 209.159.209.199) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I wait with bated
breath. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 24 00:10:17 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've found the story online and will read and reply to it in a bit. *g*

WG



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CrhistopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 23:41:39 2015 209.159.209.199) [Edit/Delete]
[/b]wolfguard[/b] PBS news hour and they are talking abou trendings, bouncing off one topic to another. One of the things is people trying to manage staying online, while also wanting to be offline. *g* Mostly as a way to push back against the lack of privacy these days.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 22:46:34 2015 209.159.209.199) [Edit/Delete]
Home sweet home



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 23 21:17:20 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: O Canada!
Question: What type of animal is on the reverse side of the Canadian nickel?

Answer: Beaver

Trivia Canucks: notSoShyGirl, OldMAnFan



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 17:41:52 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 23 21:19:27 2015
Agent Cooper You around?

ETA

deadguy qod

I don't think there is any ep that is less powerful in rewatching. I think many an ep has improved over time for me.


Happy CD Thursday!



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 23 15:27:57 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - a beaver sitting on a log.

OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jul 23 15:18:32 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick lostinamerica It's not a widespread problem because most people are naturally immune to leprosy. But obviously, form the 6 recent cases, it's not a thing to be chasing and touching.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Jul 23 15:03:46 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Beaver



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 23 14:48:06 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: O Canada!
Question: What type of animal is on the reverse side of the Canadian nickel?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 23 14:21:25 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for antipodean!

yay antipodean!

today's deadguy memorial angel throwback thursday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale tv - children's shows... with puppets

what are some episodes that 'hit' you when they first aired, but don't have an effect when re-watched?


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jul 23 13:47:44 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--It's long been known that armadillos carry leprosy. Makes me wonder what those people wore when they caught armadillos for armadillo racing when we lived in Texas ;)

I've seen them dead on the side of the road near our house--I knew they were in Memphis, I guess they've made their way to Nashville.


Belated Yay! CaughtintheQuiet!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 23 12:14:53 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, July 6th , 2015 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia Chase
Misty Mage
NJ Wicca

Sententia
Sufi
YOUNGBOB

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Charisma Carpenter, Misty Mage, NJ Wicca, Sententia, Sufi, YOUNGBOB!



Does anybody else miss the Mayor? 'I just want to be a big snake.'Xander, 'Primeval'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 12:08:33 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 23 05:07:43 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
[sarcasm]That Obama is so smart. He's changing everything and making it all much better because he CARES.[/sarcasm] Here he is changing the Oath that people have to recite when becoming Naturalized Citizens. Why? Must have something to do with Muslims and Sharia law. Now THEY want to come to this country and share in our wealth but they want to do it on THEIR terms. THEY could never achieve what we have because they believe in making slaves of their women and they treat every one who is not a Muslim like scum. We SHOULD send them back; why accede to their demands, yet this is what Obama the closet Muslim does. He's constantly tinkering with our government. Why? To facilitate some kind of take over. cc: Christopher Marlowe] Has this news reached you.?


Maverick


White Wedding




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 23 03:06:27 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I am in charge

It starts at around one minute.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 03:00:29 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That does make a lot
of sense. I still remember Alexander
Haig taking control when the
president was shot. That seemed to
have been something of a mess.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 23 02:42:00 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The country would better survive the destruction of the White House.

First, no one president's wisdom, talents, or experience can match the 535
odd people in Congress.

Second, the White House's destruction would probably stoke emotions more
leading to Americans uniting to fight whoever destroyed it.

OTOH, it might be harder for Congress to take the leadership role. That
said, the Constitution details the chain-of-command so someone would become
the new President or acting-President. Further, if Congress was destroyed,
a president might be tempted to take more power in hand than the
Constitution provides.

WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 02:15:09 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Would the country
survive the loss of the White House
better vs the Congress?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 23 02:09:52 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 23 02:10:22 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Stories often work better when a single character can stand-in for a group
or collective. It's one reason we have tropes and stereotypes. POTUS
becomes the USA. It's also possible more people recognize the White House
than Congress.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 01:24:41 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard One of the things
that initially happens in Sharknado 3
is the destruction of the DC area.
Disaster or action movies sometimes
feature the destruction of the White
House, but rarely Congress. There is
meaning in that. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 00:58:37 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
[Not much on tonight, but I am
tempted by Sharknado 3: Oh Hell No!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 23 00:46:03 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 23 00:07:53 2015 75.76.171.6) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest Oops!! I will have to fix tomorrow!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 22 22:13:08 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 22 22:14:47 2015
ShadowQuest: Right you are. I think only Robin Curtis is difficult to remember, although she was wonderful in the role (in two movies.) She had a full career but this may have been her most memorable role, although she once played Jackie Kennedy in a movie.


Christopher Marlowe: Oh, congrats!


Maverick


Bess, You Is My Woman Now




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ShadowQuest says:
(Wed Jul 22 21:20:50 2015 74.33.113.46) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom back through the other
way


Trivia Girl AHEM!


Maverick Kirstie Alley, Robin Curtis, Dame Judith Anderson
and Kim Cattrall were all Vulcans - Kirstie in Wrath of Khan, Robin Curtis
in Search for Spock - same character (Lt. Saavik). Dame Judith Anderson
was the High Priestess in SSF. Kim Cattrall was in The Final Frontier,
although I believe her character was part Romulan.

Zoom, zoom



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 22 21:06:11 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Isn't she adorable? Okay, trivia question: who played the female Vulcans on "Star Trek"? That's the original series AND movies. A nice-looking bunch. Two relatively famous names (one is the girl in the clip) and one obscure actress who was in two movies.


Maverick


Love Theme from "Star Trek TMP"




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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 22 21:01:11 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
just got a 100% rating on my QA audit, very much surprised and pleased, so Mountain Dew's on me!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
QuestioN: What was in the Cup of Perpetual Torment?
Answer: MOuntain Dew

Trivia Mountaineers: OldManFan, notosShyGirl
Trivia Dew its - Maverick!



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Maverick says:
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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 22 19:05:36 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Country Time Lemonade.


Christopher Marlowe: I don't think anyone wants to go back to the good 'ole wire hanger days ("No More Wire Hangers"--Joan Crawford.) Abortions SHOULD be available but RARE. NYC Health Report 2012 Births, Etc. - Go Down to Page 6, Look at Non-Hispanic Black. 24,758 Births and at the same time 31,328 Abortions. EVERY abortion is a crying shame. And we are not educating people and so they are using Abortions as an alternate Birth Control Method. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted babies and IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS, the Doctors there are cynical about performing abortions with, as they brag, a minimum amount of "crunch." They brag that they can kill the fetus AND save certain organ systems for experimentation. This is sick. Next they'll be selling them to people who want to eat them or people who want to use them in devil cult ceremonies, etc.


lostinamerica: The news media is in Obama's pocket and HIDES inconvenient truths about what Obama is doing to the country (like how all these illegal aliens that Obama is pulling into the country (he's recruiting Democrat voters) and how dangerous these people are to your normal U.S. citizens. Trump has turned a light on Obama's illegal activities and the media can't stop themselves from covering Trump and, as a result, revealing Obama's schemes. The Mainstream Media will not cover such revelations as are made when Senator Cruz questions a director of I.C.E. about these ILLEGAL releases of illegal alien criminals. Perhaps Trump will talk about the facts of the disastrous Iran Treaty and how Obama is SO brutal to our U.S. population while he bows and kowtows to Muslim foreign leaders.


Maverick


Dust In The Wind




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 22 18:39:47 2015 64.9.40.158) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I knew Rocco was in godfather because that 's what they rna on the news crawl:-)! (Never saw the film.) I never realized Bikel did all that much TV, always THOUGHT OF HIMA S SOLDI BROADWAY. if SO, I LIKELY SAW AN OCASSIONAL GUETS SHOT ON *SOMETHING*.iT'S JUST THAT OFF-HAND I KNEW HIM VEYR WELL AS oLIVER kRNAKLE IN "$ 9O'CLOCK" ON tWILIGHT zONE AND, MORE RECENTLY, amRTY THE GRAVESDigger in I Bury the Living.". Sorry, that's too much to go back and fix.



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KAM says:
(Wed Jul 22 18:21:15 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

YAY CAUGHTNTHEQUIET

KAM
Ty King Fan



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 22 18:07:56 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Wednesday Book of Interest...

Murder and Mayhem by D.P. Lyle, MD

Subtitle: A Doctor Answers Medical and Forensic Questions for Mystery Writers


The link is to Amazon. Click on the book cover and take a look at the table of contents. It shows all the questions the doctor answers. Yours might be in the mix.



WG



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jul 22 17:47:28 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Dew of the Mountains.

OMF



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ShadowQuest says:
(Wed Jul 22 17:39:17 2015 74.33.113.46) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Trivia Girl "Well, it's springtime in the mountains, and I'm full of
mountain dew..."

I used to drink that all the time. Then I quit, and now I don't care for it
anymore. Once in a while I'll have a Code Red, but I don't really like Mountain
Dew.

Christopher Marlowe Guess what I found @Walmart today? I'll give you a
hint: it's the beginning of a "time travel experiment that went a little ca-ca."

Can't wait to start watching! It'll be nice to have full episodes, not the
mangled stuff they air in syndication. Too bad they lost the rights to some of
the music, though - "MIA" just won't be the same without "Georgia On My Mind."
(That's not this season, but since the song was so important to the end of the
episode, I used that example.)

Off to have lunch, then mow the lawn. Why aren't there self-mowing lawns?

Zoom, zoom



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 22 17:24:43 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Yay caughtnthequiet!


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jul 22 16:50:08 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
apologies for being late...

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for caughtnthequiet!

yay caughtnthequiet!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is postponed and will be a throwback thursday question tomorrow:

Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jul 22 14:46:33 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Mountain Dew



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 22 14:42:47 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
QuestioN: What was in the Cup of Perpetual Torment?



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jul 22 13:02:06 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Really. . .can you imagine him with world leaders?

OK, here's another entertaining question: Why is there a Sharknado 3?



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KAM says:
(Wed Jul 22 12:31:19 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY...

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jul 22 12:22:29 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, July 22nd, , 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Jai
piedog
Spikette
Undead

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Jai, piedog, Spikette, Undead!



Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them. Willow, 'Gingerbread'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe;farrior says:
(Wed Jul 22 12:17:07 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica I think everyone will have their fun with Trump, but then when it comes time to actually pick the winner, they'll suddenly dump Trump. *g*



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jul 22 12:10:46 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Well, we could talk about Donald Trump and his latest antics, that's more entertaining ;)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 22 05:36:01 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
'night beta, see you in the morning.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 22 04:56:22 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Nothing like a controversial subject sucking the life out of the board!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 22 01:56:47 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 22 02:13:59 2015
home at last. I lost my car keys for about a half hour, so I was stuck at work for a little bit. Btu then I had to participate in a focus group on a cultural plan.

ETA

Maverick Yep the news about about PP has actually manage to reach me. I have to reserve skepticism about an anti-abortion groups 'gotcha' journalism methods. And it doesn't change my stance, I will always be pro-choice.



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cmarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 23:21:57 2015 107.167.127.101) [Edit/Delete]
i wont be home for another couple of hours1



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jul 21 22:32:50 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Keyser Soze


DaddyCatALSO: Alex Rocco was Moe Greene from "The Godfather." At the end of one of those violent gangster coups, he was lying on a massage table with a towel and he's shot through his horn-rimmed glasses and into his eye. Theodore Bikel was a mainstay of early TV, especially black and white shows. I'm talking like "Naked City" and "Route 66." Bikel always played some kind of ethnic patriarch, Jewish, Greek, etc., even though he was relatively young.


KAM, DaddyCatALSO: Yes, the "pulse" only destroys the most sensitive electronic components. It's not supposed (I'm going by the "One Second After" book, which I'm only in early chapters) to be able to affect things like vacuum tubes, etc. The more sophisticated the electronics become, the more susceptible they are to being burned-out by the pulse. Methinks, even, that perhaps all the really modern apparatus (appliances and such) COULD have all the really sensitive components in one module and sell a separate replacement module (that one MUST keep in a Faraday Cage) and instructions for swapping them out.


Christopher Marlowe: Has news of Planned Parenthood's selling of baby body parts reached you yet from your isolated news sources?


Maverick


Wild Horses




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jul 21 21:05:08 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Saw on TV on Sunday we lost Alex Rocco, and just saw on Facebook that Theodore Bikel has reached his 4 o:clock and nobody with a mustache and Scottish accent will be digging him up. (Except for variety and interview shows, I'm thinking those are the only things I've seen him in.)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 21 20:50:44 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was in Room 314 in the Initiative compound?
Answer; Adam

Trivia Takes the Initiative: notsoShyGiril

Trivia Funnyman: wolfguard *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 21 17:28:53 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Trivia Girl,

The BBS

He was hiding under Adam's bed.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 16:50:43 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
notsoShyGirl How is the summer going for you?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jul 21 14:55:32 2015 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Adam



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 21 14:39:53 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was in Room 314 in the Initiative compound?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jul 21 13:31:56 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Austin154!



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KAM says:
(Tue Jul 21 13:24:49 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY AUSTIN154

Deadguy QOD
: Well, they'd all dress horribly, but probably no worse than they did on any other episode. Accents...well, Xander might have that whiny Texas intonation that some people have--usually guys. Then there is the overbearing "Dallas" accent, where everyone has the OOOOOUUU sound at the end of everything.
Wow, that sounds pretty mean spirited.

Nice QOD, really nice.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jul 21 12:23:54 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, July 21st, 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Jenn
levitation junkie
Miss Edith
R o B

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Jenn, levitation junkie, Miss Edith, R o B!



And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD. Buffy, 'Pangs'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 12:09:44 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
yay austin154!

deadguy qod

The Buffy gang with Texas accents? I'm gonna go with Spike. I can just see him being the worst parody of a Texan, he would certainly not rock the cowboy hate.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jul 21 12:03:23 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for austin154

yay austin154!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydalese (aka buffyspeak) - language stretched to its limits

a buffy episode opens and *poof* sunnydale is in texas - who has the worst accent and/or wardrobe?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 21 06:03:02 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Everdawn!!




Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 03:14:22 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Poor Earthlings, Poorer Aliens. *g* Hope no one would try to explain LOST to them



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 21 02:41:25 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

On Star Trek, what did
they call their intergalactic
communications, ~sub-space
radio?

In Orson Scott Card's
Ender's Game, they used
the ~ansible~ which seemed to
allow instantaneous
communication.

In both cases, telling the
story trumped physics-as-we-
know-it. The speed of
communications has a limit -
the speed of light.

For instance, a message sent to
Alpha Centauri, the nearest
star to the Sun, would take
around four years one way.


Spring 1997

Earth: New show on the WB
called BtVS


Spring 2001

A-Centauri: BtVS?

Earth: Buffy died!


Spring 2005

A-Centauri: Who's Buffy?

Earth: BtVS = Buffy the Vampire
Slayer. But it's ended.


Spring 2009

Earth: She's the main character
of BtVS.

A-Centauri: It ended because she died?


Spring 2013

Earth: No! 'Cause Buffy saved the world.

A-Centauri: Who took Buffy's place after she died?


Spring 2017

Earth: No one. She was resurrected.

A-Centuari: So, she became an angel and then saved the world?



I'm getting confused. *g*



WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 02:09:35 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd It would be
interesting though, what kind of
message you would send, given how
long it would take for any presumed
aliens to receive it and respond.

I should watch the movie Contact,
which is about such a situation.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 01:18:39 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard They should have
borrowed, E.T.s phone, it seems to
have had good reception. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 21 00:53:16 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've just finished looking at a few online articles. One was on actively
communicating with aliens.1 It said lasers would serve
better, because they can carry more data faster than radio. Off that I
googled, ~ most expensive laser. One result was an article dated March
2015 ...

Tesat is a company based in Germany that has designed and/or produced
the first commercial laser communication terminal (LCT). It will provide
bi-drectional relay between GEO satellites, LEO satellites, and Earth.
2 It is worth $643 million.

Given that final figure for what is essentially an earth communication
system, $100 million to broadcast across interstellar distances may not
be enough. *g*

1 I believe the current extra-terrestrial sensors are just
listening for extraterrestrial signals. They are passive. An active
system would send signals into space hoping someone else is listening.
Some people believe this is would be unwise. Maybe we shouldn't want to
be found till we know more about our neighbors.

OTOH, if aliens shared a similar concern, then that may be a reason we
haven't heard anything. Everyone is being careful. *g*

2 Satellites go around the Earth, but if you put one at the
right altitude then it will move around the Earth at the same speed the
earth is rotating beneath it. Consequently, such a satellite, even
though it is in orbit around the Earth, will always be above the same
spot on Earth. Such orbits are called Geosynchronous Orbits or GEOs. I
believe the correct height is around 23,000 miles.

LEO = Low Earth Orbit and is measured in hundreds of miles.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 21 00:35:38 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not know enough about the
matter to judge whether $100
million is enough to 'do it'. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 21 00:31:51 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I was watching the
PBS newshour and one of their reports
was on a new 100 million dollar
proejct to search for alien life and
sending messages beyond earth. If
that doesnt do it, nothing will.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 21 00:01:43 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I stand corrected!
*g*


I should have used a more trusted
source, aka not Google.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 20 23:56:27 2015 4.15.182.218) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Your chosen answer is wrong. :)

If the government arrests you, then you have the right to petition the
government using a writ of habeas corpus. What the government has to
produce is an explanation. Specifically, the government has to argue
before a judge why they could legally arrest and hold you. The founding
fathers created this right to prevent the government from locking people
up because it was convenient.

During the Civil War, Lincoln had some people arrested and suspended the
writ of habeas corpus so he wouldn't have to risk releasing them.

The producing of a 'body' probably comes from the government being
required to show the prisoner as well as the reason why the prisoner is
being held.

It's unconstitutional to arrest someone and confine them without
charging them. A charge implies a reason. A person can demand the
government provide that reason to judge who will rule on whether it's
sound or not.

So if CM is arrested, CM or her lawyer can demand that she be brought
before a judge where the government must explain why CM is being held.

That's the correct meaning of habeas corpus in American law.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 20 22:52:22 2015 75.76.170.236) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 20 21:05:51 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: LAw
Question: What has to be produced with a write of habeus corpus.
Answer: a body

Trivia Hot Bodies: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl, Maverick



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KAM says:
(Mon Jul 20 20:56:46 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Christopher Marlowe Pays the bills...sort of, but can't say much more about it.

Maverick: Well, I can't say much more about it, other than for some reason the garbage can by itself was not actually a Faraday cage at all. I have no idea why an enclosed all steel container wouldn't be effective. But ok, sure, I won't argue with that experiment.

KAM
Ty King Fan


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