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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 27 01:44:01 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard ROFL!! That's one
way to look at it. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 27 01:04:03 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Dec 27 01:04:33 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

So, magick doesn't reward or punish kids, people do? *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 27 00:58:46 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That's probably true that authors may not realize what influences are on their work.

I was just thinking about two movies about nannies Mary Poppins, and Nanny McPhee. Both use magic to manage the children under their care, but their methods were different. Mary Poppins used magic as a reward, Nanny McPhee used her magic to punish.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 27 00:42:40 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The article includes children's books beyond illustrated ones. Both The Wizard of Oz1 and Alice in Wonderland are mentioned. I believe many people can find all sorts of meanings in fiction, children and adult, that the authors would deny they meant.2 It's the ink blot thing. People bring their own colored glasses to most anything they experience, especially art, music, literature, etc. What was it that Joss once said about BtVS? ~ Bring your own subtext?


1 The article says one reading of the The Wizard of Oz is it was an attack on US monetary policy at the time. Off that, I recently read that the scarecrow and the tinman were suppose to represent farmers and industrial workers. So who knows? *g*

2 There are critics and professors of literature and cultural studies who argue artists are not always aware of the meaning they put in their works. I believe Margot once posted on some writer who was told ~ this or that ~ in his work meant ~that or this~ and that he replied, ~ Oh, you're right! (I missed that). I recall some fans posting Joss' writing of Buffy and Faith's relationship was B/F (4-Ever!). Joss said, ~ no it wasn't ~ and then they pull out the texts and showed him it was so and he replied ~ Whoa, maybe so.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 27 00:24:47 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I've never heard of Children's picture book described that way. I'm a little aghast.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 26 23:32:38 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"...How else could a 22-page picture book like The Very Hungry Caterpillar yield capitalist, Christian, feminist, Marxist, queer and anti-liberal messages?

... it is probably closer to the truth to say that the message has always been there but the knowledge that allows it to be recognised has not...

... As Bettelheim noted, explaining to a child what makes a story so captivating would ruin it. Its power to enchant 'depends to a considerable degree on the childs not quite knowing why he is delighted by it.' ..."


~Hidden Messages in Kids' Books (BBC Online)


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 26 23:20:44 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
making my way back home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 26 21:35:01 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Holidays
Question: What Holiday was once known as St. Stephen's Day?
Answer; Boxing Day

Trivia Honorary Canadians/UKiers: DaddycAtALSO, Maverick

valMichael I had to work today and woke up only 15 minutes before I usually leave for work.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 26 20:52:30 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Boxing Day. Here is the Boxing Day song:


Good King Wenceslaus


Good King Wenceslaus looked out
On the Feast of Stephen,
When the snow lay round about,
Deep and crisp and even.
Brightly shown the moon that night,
Though the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Gathering winter fuel.


Hither, page, and stand by me.
If thou know it telling:
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?
Sire, he lives a good league hence,
Underneath the mountain,
Right against the forest fence
By Saint Agnes Fountain.


Bring me flesh, and bring me wine.
Bring me pine logs hither.
Thou and I will see him dine
When we bear the thither.
Page and monarch, forth they went,
Forth they went together
Through the rude wind's wild lament
And the bitter weather.


Sire, the night is darker now,
And the wind blows stronger.
Fails my heart, I know not how.
I can go no longer.
Ark my footsteps my good page,
Tread thou in them boldly:
Thou shalt find the winter's rage
Freeze thy blood less coldly.


In his master's step he trod,
Where the snow lay dented.
Heat was in the very sod
Which the saint had printed.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
Wealth or rank possessing,
Ye who now will bless the poor
Shall yourselves find blessing


Here is one of the funniest dialogue sequences ever filmed. Just pay attention to what they're talking about. Patrick Stewart (playing himself, haha) on the Ricky Gervais series "Xtras.". How does he keep a straight face? Amazing.


Maverick


We Need a Little Christmas


Greensleeves (What Child Is This?)




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 26 17:48:31 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest That's a pretty great start!



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ShadowQuest says:
(Fri Dec 26 16:50:28 2014 74.33.115.222) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Dec 26 18:19:29 2014
Zoom through

Twelve Days of Sunnydale

On the second day of Christmas, my Watcher gave me to me: two best friends, and an unwanted sacred birthright.

Zoom, zoom



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 26 16:37:21 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl It's been many decades since I've looked at a Cahtolic Art Calendar, but , Boxing Day?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 26 15:35:03 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Holidays
Question: What Holiday was once known as St. Stephen's Day?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 26 15:33:32 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick First, I didn't realize you were making a joke. Second, the manger story is only in Luke, and likely not even written by him (Luke's style after the Temple story changes and the details of the early chpters are never mentioned again,) just included form an older source.
And no, the visit from the Wise Men is described in all t ranslations as being to a house in Bethlehem, not a stable behind an in. And in the SLaughter of the Innocents, Herod targets not newborns but boys under two. The Flight Into Egypt occurs in between those incidents.



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valMichael says:
(Fri Dec 26 15:29:01 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: SpikeNip!

YAY Xanderella!

ChristopherMarlowe
Why did you oversleep? Do you have to work today? If so, is Simon Legree your boss?

Maverick got your E. Contemplating on how to answer.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 26 14:23:27 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, December 26th 2014 C.E.

We have ONE (1)) Birthdays!


SpikeNip


Happy Birthday from the Bronze to SpikeNip!



But she was naked! And all... articulate! Mal, 'Our Mrs. Reynolds'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 26 14:17:59 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Crap! Nearly overslept today!

yay xanderella!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday
Day!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 26 13:43:26 2014 74.111.112.120) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer
for xanderella!

yay xanderella!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday
Day!



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Dec 26 02:45:55 2014 74.111.112.120) [Edit/Delete]
T'was the night before Tuesday, when all through the house
All the creatures were stirring, --except for a mouse;
The crosses were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that the Vampires would never come there.
The Scoobies were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of slime demons danced in their heads;
And Giles in his rocker, a book on his lap,
Had just nodded off for a much needed nap,

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
Giles sprang from the chair to see what was the matter.
Away to the window he flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to his wondering eyes should appear,
A host of vampires approaching that gave reason to fear,

Led by an old wrinkled vampire bent on disaster,
He knew in a moment, it must be the Master.
More rapid than eagles his minions they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;
"Now, DARLA! now, COLLIN! now, DRUSILLA and SPIKE!
To the Hellmouth with you, from there we will strike!
To the caves and sewers, to our underground hall!
Down below! Down below! Down below all"

So down through the sewers the minions they flew,
With the Master in tow and that monster Luke, too.
And then, in a twinkling, he heard bove his head
The thumping of Scoobies alighting from bed.
As he sorted through weapons, and was turning around,
Down the staircase the crew all came with a bound.
Into each passing hand a weapon he put,
To the cemetery, he cried, The game is afoot.
The Slayer led and tracked the vamps to their lair,
And, yes, big as life, the Master was there

His eyes -- my how wrinkled! his expression wary!
His claws were like daggers, his demeanor scary!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the color of his skin was as white as the snow;
Most notable though were his sharp pointed teeth,
And his minions had encircled him like a wreath;
He had a broad face and his hands on his belly,
The ground shook when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly.

He looked strong and mighty, a hideous old elf,
And he laughed when he saw them, in spite of himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave them to know they had something to dread;
But the Scoobies attacked and went straight to work,
Soon his minions were toast, the Slayer berserk
And the Master then suddenly jumped to his toes,
And took flight through the caves as only he knows;
The gang wanted to follow, but Buff gave a whistle,
And they grumbled and moaned and started to bristle.
But I heard her exclaim, as they strolled out of sight,
"HAPPY TUESDAY TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT."


Merry Christmas!

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 26 01:53:38 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Yeah, I think pretty
much everyone gets the same
recommendation.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 26 01:00:19 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
How to Wrap a Cat for Christmas


Christopher Marlowe: I wanted to go for a walk, as I was just in for my yearly physical and told to lose weight and get more exercise (those people are like a broken record--I need more exotic directions to disobey.) But it's been raining steadily here. Need compelling reading? I've always found Dean Koontz unable to put down; he constructs book in that manner. My latest, though, are Nelson DeMille terrorism and other thrillers.


Maverick


Merry Christmas, Darling


Bless The Beasts and the Children




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 25 23:11:17 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I did manage to get out and about a little this afternoon. Now I can just settle in and wait for the Doctor Who Christmas special.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 25 21:55:34 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO: That MAY be true, but it doesn't help with the joke. So, the Wise Men visited them AFTER they got back from their Egyptian tourist vacation to see the pyramids? No, none of that is clear to me in Matthew. You're making stuff up or my Douay Version is significantly different from the King James.


Christopher Marlowe: Well, chat SHOULD be conducted in a kind of shorthand or it is tiresome.


I strung around 5 sets of multicolored lights around the two large (they've grown) evergreen trees in my front yard, and they look spectacular at night. I usually leave them up most of January because they look even better in the snow.


valMichael: I'll have to bookmark the Leonhard Euler video for later viewing. A Swiss Mathematician? Where were the Jews? Actually according to Brian Greene in Part 2 (of 3) of "The Elegant Universe" (Did you see it? It was on PBS.) he said that an Italian Gabriele Veneziano found a Euler equation and thought it perfectly described the Strong Nuclear Force and Leonard Susskind (okay hand-off to the Jews) somehow saw it as describing String Theory. Then John H. Schwarz and Michael B. Green united electromagnetism, the weak force and the strong force AND gravity into a single theory. Meanwhile in Part 3 Ed Witten unites the 5 string theories into one (M-Theory,) and so Einstein's theories of matter/energy AND quantum theories are closer to being understood in the context of String Theory.


Maverick


I"LL TAKE CHRISTMAS SONG REQUESTS, if there are any.


Carol Of The Bells




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 25 21:08:56 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

I remember General Longstreet of the United States Army. *g* I'd forgotten the Kaiser's goal and strategy. Wonder how well that would have worked in reality? If the US had felt compelled to accept the offer, might we not have reneged on it later?

I remember the Chiang alternative history story a bit differently than you. The actual history was Chiang had been beating the Communist, but the US government staid his hand when he was preparing to capture another Communist held city. The US wanted to negotiate with the Chicom's - remember that word? - and felt it would show good faith if Chiang stopped. Chiang's officers plead with him to continue, but he told them he could not and they would understand if they knew what he knew, i.e. Uncle Sam would turn off the spigot.

As I recall the author's argument, had some sort of settlement been reached where the Communist got Manchuria and Chiang got the rest of China, then perhaps South China and North China would have developed similarly to South Korea and North Korea. But, I got the impression if Chiang had been allowed to continue his attack, then the Communist would likely have lost. What happened in reality is Chiang stopped, no negotiations of substance happened, the Chicoms got breathing room to rebuild and then later came back to defeat Chiang.

I have seen the combined collection of "What If?" I and II. Too thick for comfortable reading. *g*



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 25 20:27:35 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Actually, it's clear from Matthew that the Wise Men visited the Holy Family in a house when Jesus was about 2 years old.
I picked up the abbreviations Xt and Xn for Christ and Christian in a n undergrad Biblical studies class. Later a friend who belongs tot eh Wesleyan Church got a bit upset when I wrote Xt in some notes for a later evening study group w e were both in.

wolfguard AgentCooper ChristopherMarlowe Both the straight alternative history and the castaways-in-time thing are valid forms of the fictional genre.

I read 1901 once some years ago. PResident TR re-commissions James Longstreet (serving on some railroad board then) to lead the defense since he was a great defensive fighter. The Kaiser invaded NYC to hold it hostage form the US to run over the possessions it got from Spain.
I've read only a bit of turtledove, since his choices of historical points usually interest me little. he wrote one I read where the Paleo-Indians never got to America but a primitive hominin did. And he's written some for younger readers based on various points- a failure of the US to unite, Agrippa inherits from Augustus. Turtledonve, Robert Silverberg and Kim Stanley Robinson all wrote ones based on the Black death being 10 times more virulent and basically destroying Europe, didn't care for those but had a few neat ideas.
Someobdy, I think Turtledove wrote on years ago of dinosaurs surviving in the AMerican wEst and the western tribes domesticating them, making for interesting Indian wars.
The what If books were eventually combined. Many interesting ideas. One had Chiang Kai Shek not attacking Mao's rump state in Manchuria thus avoiding the rise of the PRC. Another had France and Portugal joining the fleet at Lepanto and going on to restore the Balkans to Europe.
Flint's castaways in Time 1632 series, a weste Virginia town in 2000 going back to the 30 years wAr is going strong. his straight series about Sam Houston a dn the Cherokees isn't.(He planned anther about Washington's and Frederick the great's armies going back to the time of Emperor Aurelian, but it's yet to surface.) Stirling wrote one about Nantucket in 1998 going back to the bronze Age, 3 books, but then turned to chronicling the Emberverse of the alternate future Nantucket left behind. Plu a couple one-shots set in very different worlds.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 25 20:03:06 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael Math talk on Christmas. I love it!

Maverick I usually only use the 'xmas' term in chat.



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Corvus says:
(Thu Dec 25 19:34:12 2014 50.53.75.181) [Edit/Delete]
Driving in by, no ice here.

Merry Christmas Bronze Beta.

Corvus



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 25 19:03:51 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Use of the term XMas is not necessarily dismissive or disrespectful. Its origins were harmless enough. From Snopes: "Actually, this usage is nearly as old as Christianity itself, and its origins lie in the fact that the first letter in the Greek word for 'Christ' is 'chi,' and the Greek letter 'chi' is represented by a symbol similar to the letter 'X' in the modern Roman alphabet. Hence 'Xmas' is indeed perfectly legitimate abbreviation for the word 'Christmas' (just as 'Xian' is also sometimes used as an abbreviation of the word 'Christian.')


Trivia Girl: When the Wise Men visited the new-born baby, who was laid out in a manger in a barn, they entered slowly due to cramped conditions, and they had to duck to avoid a low crossbeam and the first "king" bringing gold ducked under the beam, then the second "king" bringing frankincense ducked, but the third "king" bringing myrrh was distracted and didn't duck low enough and rammed his head into the beam and his hand came up rubbing the tender spot and he said, "Jesus Christ," and Mary said, "Interesting. Joseph, Maybe I like that even better than Moishe."


I ran across this when I took a link to the old Geocities website. Take the link; a crowd-pleaser. Another example, though, of white boys that have great voices but still can't dance.


BTW, I previously provided a link to the YouTube movie "Fatherland," which is based on the alternate history book about a different ending to WWII. FORGET IT. It's a horribly clichéd movie that stars Rutger Hauer (who played the head vampire in the "Buffy" movie,) who is still a nice-looking guy with great hair but he has gotten so fat that when he wears his SS uniform with the leather trenchcoat he looks like a walking Weber barbeque grill. The movie is so very predictable and the script so deadly that the experience is a complete waste of time. cc: Agent Cooper


Maverick


I'll Be Home For Christmas. Was written, supposedly, from the standpoint of a soldier during WWII in Europe and away from home and in dangerous circumstances but remembering home. Very sad when considered in that light.


Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas This was sung by Judy Garland to Margaret O'Brien in the movie "Meet Me in St. Louis."




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valMichael says:
(Thu Dec 25 18:46:13 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Dec 26 01:05:15 2014
Mathematical History If you are interested, here is a superb one hour talk on Leonard Euler who is arguably the greatest mathematician of all time. It is easily understandable and only requires a tiny bit of high school algebra at the very end.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Dec 25 18:02:35 2014 74.33.115.222) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Merry Christmas!!

"On the first day of Christmas, my Watcher gave to me: An unwanted sacred
birthright!"

Zoom, zoom



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valMichael says:
(Thu Dec 25 16:52:35 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]

Merry Christmas BronzeBeta


Happy Birthday: angelnbuffy, Earth Girl, Berserker, Icelord's Pop, McLatin, and Vamp1159!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 25 16:36:15 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Christmas trivia

[small"Hot cockles" was a popular game at Christmas in medieval times. It was a game in which the other players took turns striking the blindfolded player, who had to guess the name of the person delivering each blow. "Hot cockles" was still a Christmas pastime until the Victorian era.

"White Christmas" (1954), starring Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye, was the first movie to be made in Vista Vision, a deep-focus process.

"The Nutcracker" is the name for the ballet performed around Christmas time each year. "The Nutcracker Suite" is the title of the music Tchaikovsky wrote.

"Wassail" comes from the Old Norse "ves heill"--to be of good health. This evolved into the tradition of visiting neighbors on Christmas Eve and drinking to their health.

A Christmas club, a savings account in which a person deposits a fixed amount of money regularly to be used at Christmas for shopping, came about around 1905.

A traditional Christmas dinner in early England was the head of a pig prepared with mustard.

According to a 1995 survey, 7 out of 10 British dogs get Christmas gifts from their doting owners.

According to historical accounts, the first Christmas in the Philippines was celebrated 200 years before Ferdinand Magellan discovered the country for the western world, likely between the years 1280 and 1320 AD.

According to the National Christmas Tree Association, Americans buy 37.1 million real Christmas trees each year; 25 percent of them are from the nation's 5,000 choose-and-cut farms.

After "A Christmas Carol," Charles Dickens wrote several other Christmas stories, one each year, but none was as successful as the original.

Alabama was the first state to recognize Christmas as an official holiday. This tradition began in 1836.

Although many believe the Friday after Thanksgiving is the busiest shopping day of the year, it is not. It is the fifth to tenth busiest day. The Friday and Saturday before Christmas are the two busiest shopping days of the year.

American billionaire Ross Perot tried to airlift 28 tons of medicine and Christmas gifts to American POW's in North Vietnam in 1969.

America's official national Christmas tree is located in King's Canyon National Park in California. The tree, a giant sequoia called the "General Grant Tree," is over 300 feet (90 meters) high. It was made the official Christmas tree in 1925.

An artificial spider and web are often included in the decorations on Ukrainian Christmas trees. A spider web found on Christmas morning is believed to bring good luck.

An average household in America will mail out 28 Christmas cards each year and see 28 eight cards return in their place.

Animal Crackers are not really crackers, but cookies that were imported to the United States from England in the late 1800s. Barnum's circus-like boxes were designed with a string handle so that they could be hung on a Christmas tree.

As early as 1822, the postmaster in Washington, D.C. was worried by the amount of extra mail at Christmas time. His preferred solution to the problem was to limit by law the number of cards a person could send. Even though commercial cards were not available at that time, people were already sending so many home-made cards that sixteen extra postmen had to be hired in the city.

At Christmas, Ukrainians prepare a traditional twelve-course meal. A family's youngest child watches through the window for the evening star to appear, a signal that the feast can begin.

At lavish Christmas feasts in the Middle Ages, swans and peacocks were sometimes served "endored." This meant the flesh was painted with saffron dissolved in melted butter. In addition to their painted flesh, endored birds were served wrapped in their own skin and feathers, which had been removed and set aside prior to roasting.

Before settling on the name of Tiny Tim for his character in "A Christmas Carol," three other alliterative names were considered by Charles Dickens. They were Little Larry, Puny Pete, and Small Sam.

California, Oregon, Michigan, Washington, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and North Carolina are the top Christmas tree producing states. Oregon is the leading producer of Christmas trees - 8.6 million in 1998.

Candy canes began as straight white sticks of sugar candy used to decorated the Christmas trees. A choirmaster at Cologne Cathedral decided have the ends bent to depict a shepherd's crook and he would pass them out to the children to keep them quiet during the services. It wasn't until about the 20th century that candy canes acquired their red stripes.

Charles Dickens' initial choice for Scrooge's statement "Bah Humbug" was "Bah Christmas."

Child singer Jimmy Boyd was 12 years and 11 months old when he sang the Christmas favorite, "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus." The song hit the top of the pop charts.

Christmas caroling began as an old English custom called Wassailing - toasting neighbors to a long and healthy life.

Christmas Day in the Ukraine can be celebrated on either December 25, in faithful alliance with the Roman Catholic Gregorian calendar, or on January 7, which is the Orthodox or Eastern Rite (Julian calendar), the church holy day.

Christmas is a summer holiday in South Africa. Children are fond of the age-old custom of producing pantomimes - for instance, "Babes in the Wood," founded on one of the oldest ballads in the English language. Boxing Day on December 26th, when boxes of food and clothing are given to the poor, is observed as a holiday. [/small]



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Tinytimlord (aka Icelord) says:
(Thu Dec 25 14:42:39 2014 96.254.7.230) [Edit/Delete]
Joss bless us everyone, from my world to
yours Merry Christmas one and all
🎅🎄⛄️❄️



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 25 14:33:40 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, December 25th 2014 C.E.
Christmas Day!

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!



angelnbuffy
Earth Girl
The Berserker (Algerina's Husband)
IceLord's Pop
McLatin


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
angelnbuffy, Earth Girl, Berserker, Icelord's Pop, McLatin, Vamp1159!



Kaylee: So, uh, how come you don't care where you're going? Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.
'Serenity'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 25 14:25:14 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
And there is our Christmas snow.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 25 13:33:26 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]

Merry Christmas to All!




Foot Tapper--Of course we
remember you :) Stop by again when
you have the time!



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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 25 08:06:28 2014 70.112.139.191) [Edit/Delete]
Merry Christmas Bronzers



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 25 07:34:15 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 25 17:48:07 2014

Merry Christmas, Bronzers


Please see my KittyCat Muffin wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year


Glad to see the Pope looking so good at Midnight Mass from St. Paul's Basilica. It's Roman Catholicism on a grand scale; they say it took 100 years to build that Church. I pray that the Pope will gain much knowledge about political systems and economics this year, as he seems to be a closet communist.


Maverick


I Wonder As I Wander


O Come, O Come, Immanuel




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 25 05:00:36 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Yay vt!


Whenever Giles sends me on a mission, he always says 'please'.And afterwards I get a cookie!



Merry Christmas to All and to All a Good Night

WG



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KAM says:
(Thu Dec 25 04:12:07 2014 99.135.189.249) [Edit/Delete]
Merry Christmas Bronzers

KAM



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 25 03:21:52 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard 15 books in and
I'm not sure exactly how or why I
got into the books. Mostly likely
it was recommended by a friend.

I had expected a romantic
relationship between them for a
long time, and the author hinted a
potentially deeper relationship
between the two in earlier books,
so I was waiting for the next shoe
to drop.

It's kind of like Buffy and Angel,
you hope that those kids would
eventually be together at some
point, even though they were seeing
other people.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 25 01:53:01 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Why did you begin reading the series? Did you begin with the first book of the series?

"... I've been wanting them to get together for ages and it finally happened..."

How do you expect their relationship to develop?



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Edited: Thu Dec 25 01:49:41 2014
wolfguard That would have to be Skin Game by Jim Butcher. The
latest Dresden Files novel. I chose it because I am a fan of the series and
always look forward to the next book.

Now this is the 15th book of the series, so I already know what I'm getting into
with this book, which can be a good or bad thing. Some books in the series are
better than others, but it's hard to pinpoint why.

What makes the Dresden Files interesting to me is that I like the character and
the author puts the character in some pretty impossible-looking situations and I
enjoy seeing how the main character, Harry Dresden, gets out of these jams.

What also liked particularly about this book, is that Harry finally got together
with his long-time friend and cop, Karrin Murphy. I've been wanting them to get
together for ages and it finally happened.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 25 00:42:53 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 25 01:09:32 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

What was the last 'compelling' novel you read?

ETA Expanding the question.

1. What lead you to choose the last novel you read?

2. If it was because you had good experiences with the author's past works then what was it about the past works that you liked?

3. If you had never read any of the author's works and no one you trusted had suggested it, then why did you choose it?

4. Reflect back on the last 'compelling' novel you read - a novel by an author you had not read before and was not recommended by a trusted person - what make it compelling?

For any novel there are two important questions authors and publishers want to know: First, why did the reader choose to read the novel? Second, why did the reader keep reading till the end?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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wolfguard You mentioned that you got bored with a 2nd/3rd Turtledove novel. What makes for compelling reading?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 24 23:11:16 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

All the following titles can be found on Amazon:

Alternate military histories ...

What If?, edited by Robert Cowley


Followed up by ...

What If? II edited by Robert Cowley

Alternate histories, not all military. Some examples: What if Pontius Pilate spared Jesus? What if Hitler had survived the war and had been tried as a war criminal? My favorite, ~ What if Pizarro had not found potatoes in Peru?

Cowley has also edited a collection of what-if's on American history. You can find the book listed on one of the above pages


Peter Tsouras edited a collection on alternate history of the Cold War titled, Cold War Hot. I've only read the alternate history of US-Soviet naval clash during the October 1973 war.


I've not read this one ...

Virtual History, edited by Niall Ferguson



I read the following when it first came out in the 1990's and remember none of it. *g* Kaiser Wilhelm invades Long Island ...

1901 by Robert Conroy




WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 24 22:40:04 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I've read several of Turtledove's novels and perhaps a couple of his short stories. One of his alternate histories of the American Civil War is titled Guns of the South. As I remember, most of the story follows the aftermath of the war and the novel was told primarily from the point-of-view of Robert E. Lee and an enlisted Confederate infantrymen. I did not care much for the 'cause' Turtledove used to change the history, because the cause was not a real possibility. If you want to know it ...

SPOILER

((Some folks from the future introduce AK-47's to the Confederate Army.))

Turtledove also wrote a series of alternate WWII novels where aliens attack leading to all/most of the nations uniting to fight against them. I don't recall how Turtledove handled the Nazis or Japanese. I read two or three of the novels, but got bored through the second or third and stopped reading.

I believe Turtledove is one of the leading figures in alternate history and may be a history professor (Byzantine history?).



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 24 22:30:41 2014 69.9.208.65) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What kind of demon was Merl, Angel's informant?
Answer: Parasite Demon

Trivia Nice list: notsoShyGirl, valMichael
Trivia Naughty List: Agent Cooper, Maverick



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 24 21:21:43 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
Two drunks leave a bar around 11 PM, one carrying a bag.

"Ed, want to pop round to my place for a couple more?"

"No, Lou, I need to g et home for my Christmas dinner."

"Christmas dinner? You're too late for that pal."

"I can't be. I've got the meat."



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 21:00:11 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Slight change of plans, given that snow is predicted tomorrow, I'll be going to mom's this afternoon!

Will do trivia a little later than usual today.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 24 19:45:28 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: You mean AFTER Christmas Eve masses and before Christmas Day morning? You don't mean AFTER Santa's already come and gone. No, no, chocolate? Reindeers? No, the last thing you want to do is to have to clean reindeer poop off your roof. I get raccoon poop (lots of it) and it's a real mess and I finally had to cut down all trees that were close to my house, so they couldn't get up there anymore.


Maverick


Messiah


It Came Upon a Midnight Clear




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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 24 18:09:48 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick: Our parish priest always reminds everybody that Santa's reindeer like to eat Chocolate Pop Tarts. It's been a running joke of his for years now. He now hands them out to the little kids to leave for the reindeer after Christmas Mass.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 24 17:37:55 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: She was a Streep demon.


Agent Cooper: If you are like me, you have enough trouble keeping historical facts straight, much less throwing into the mix the confusion of alternate histories. [I often have the experience that I wonder Did that really happen or did I just dream it.] I've never seen it (but I WILL now watch THIS) but Robert Harris wrote a novel with an alternate ending to World War II called "Fatherland" (I've got the book--have never read it) and HERE is the HBO movie of it. See below for Secret of Christmas.


Bronzers: Secret of Christmas Spoiler Santa loves it and give special treatment to families that, in addition to cookies and/or various shots of booze, put out fresh carrots for his reindeer.


Maverick


Gloria (Angels We Have Heard on High)


Away In a Manger




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 17:35:56 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
AGent Cooper I'm familiar with the author's name, but don't think I've read any of his books.

valMichael Hah! I never heard that one before!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 24 16:08:25 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: A country music demon.


Have a Merry Christmas Bronzerites!

After today I'm off work till 1/5, so posting sporadically if at all during that time.

(Kinda tells you when I post, huh.)

Wolfguard/Christopher Marlowe: There's an author named Harry Turtledove who writes books about alternative history. He's written one set in an alternate timeline where the South had won the Civil War, and one set in a world where Nazi Germany had been victorious in WWII. Etc. Stuff like that. I've never read any of them but I think I'd like to. Have you read any of those?



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valMichael says:
(Wed Dec 24 15:44:07 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Dec 24 15:57:32 2014
Trivia Girl A parasite demon.

A Story One family had a really big Christmas Gathering of all the extended family members. Father, Mother, children, grandmothers and grandfathers, aunts and uncles, and nephews and nieces. The children clamored to open at least one present on Christmas Eve, but the parents disallowed that. And they also told the children that on Christmas morning they were not to open any presents, from Santa or not, until their grandparents were up and about. All the children were upset and demanded a reason for such a restriction. The fathers said the grandparents wanted to see the children open their presents plus we always must have ...


wait for it ...


answer spoilered for delicate brains
] Age before Booty![



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Dec 24 15:40:39 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Parasite demon



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 24 15:38:13 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What kind of demon was Merl, Angel's informant?



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valMichael says:
(Wed Dec 24 15:20:05 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Have Merry Christmas Eve!


Happy Birthday: Jake-baby, NicNac, Orit, Sockies, Strigoi, and T!

deadQOD
Who had the Merriest Christmas among the scoobies? Well, not Xander or Willow. Of the original 5, probably Cordelia. Of the extended scoobies, probably Riley, although Dawn is a possibility too. Of course, if Olivia visited Giles, his could have been the merriest! :)

YayOfTheDay Shouldn't it be "The Happiness Center" chemical assistance notwithstanding. I can see an over the counter product ad: "Take Carelessen! One pill and your cares and worries are gone!" :))



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 24 14:16:36 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, December 24th 2014 C.E.
Christmas Eve

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



Jake-baby (chiquens' childe)
NicNac
Orit
Sockies
Strigoi
T


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Jake-baby, NicNac, Orit, Sockies, Strigoi, T!



Mal: How drunk was I last night? Jayne: Well I dunno. I passed out. 'Our Mrs. Reynolds

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 14:07:15 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Yay vt!

deadguy qod

I think Dawn would, and perhaps Anya. Anya would love getting presents and Dawn would probably have happier memories than Buffy about Christmas.

I can't see either Xander or Willow celebrating Christmas all that much.


Happy Christmas Eve!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 24 13:20:20 2014 74.111.112.120) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer
for vt!

yay vt!

todays deadguy memorial
angel wednesday question is brought
to you by:

the sunnydale happiness center no
chemical assistance

which of the scoobies is most
likely to have a merry
christmas?


Happy Christmas Eve!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 24 05:11:17 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
The United States could have avoided a lot of the trauma of the past couple of months, if we all had just watched this Chris Rock video


Maverick


Chipmunks Roasting On An Open Fire


Little Drummer Boy


Do You Hear What I Hear?




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 24 04:56:19 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Like Canadians, but with more diversity and attitude. *g*

Seriously, I'd have to ponder on it. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 04:24:07 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I wonder what the US
would have been liked if we were
still under England?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 03:54:14 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I've never thought
of the Monarchy like that.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 24 03:52:11 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"...Is there any reason why monarchy is relatively benign? One possibility is the absence of meritocracy. In a system where the rulers inherit their positions, their individual talents are the luck of the draw. Some might be very skilled, while others are hopelessly incompetent, but most will be extremely mediocre. Meanwhile, in a republic or dictatorship, individuals rise and fall based on their strengths and talents, so talented evil can rise as easily as talented virture.

Another reason might be that because the ruling class of monarchies is narrower, rival power structures can be destroyed with smaller massacres. Richard III of England could eliminate his rivals with a few precise murders, but when the Communists set out to destroy the capitalists, they had to kill millions...
"

Matthew White, The Great Big Book of Horrible Things, p.539



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 03:28:23 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Quiet tonight. Everyone is watching
the Buble Christmas special and are
stunned into silence by his voice?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 01:58:57 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Made a dent in the pile of dishes in the kitchen. Going to have to toss the kitchen mats, they are beyond saving.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 01:21:17 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin I don't think I've ever locked myself out of my house or car, but I know people who have.

I'm sure we will be reading about Christmas bozos soon.



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Beldin says:
(Wed Dec 24 01:17:16 2014 135.26.43.130) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 24 00:58:56 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest I absolutely got the joke of the strip - I've been reading it since before you were born. But I wa sjust guessing that they'd heard of either the Gambia Trust or a similar one as oppose d to making it up. :-



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 00:55:19 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Comma HAH! I've never heard that before. Excellent!



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Comma says:
(Wed Dec 24 00:48:35 2014 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Dec 24 00:57:15 2014
Icelord: 4th Stage of Man: He looks like Santa. Want to see my white whiskers?

What are another name for Dasher, Prancer, Comet, Donder, Dancer, Vixon, Cupid, Bitzen, and Rudolph?

Wait for it !

Wait for it!

Answer: Santa's STARBUCKS!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 24 00:19:32 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Just learned I'll be able to leave work at 2 pm tomorrow! Woot!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 23:18:03 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
valMIchael

Did you see this article?

Prime Number discovery



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 23 22:39:13 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Apologies for being late, stupid meeting.

Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What, according to Xander, did Willow break when they were in kindergarten?
Answer: a yellow crayon

Trivia masters: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan, valMichael

I love you guys!
trvia newbies:



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Dogmeat says:
(Tue Dec 23 22:24:40 2014 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
thank you and happy festivus to all.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 23 22:05:39 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Wind.


My yearly checkup. I'm doing okay for an old guy. Turns out, I'm a professional (old guy) as I have my own pill cutter.


Maverick


We Three Kings




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OldManFan says:
(Tue Dec 23 20:04:42 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest - Yes! I had forgotten Life Of The Party.

OMF



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Dec 23 19:16:42 2014 74.33.115.222) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Dec 23 19:17:11 2014
Zoom back through the other way

valMichael That's not quite right - "Life of the Party" was a Halloween episode. If I'm remembering correctly. (That's the one with Hulk-Lorne.)

Agent Cooper Ah. Interesting to consider them an army.

If there's ever another movie, I'd like to see the Last Alliance; a bit of a build-up of the creation of the Rings of Power, and why Sauron decided to make the One Ring, then what drew the Elves and Men together for the battle against him.

Because we're introduced to the Ring in the LotR trilogy, we get the backstory on how Bilbo came to have it in "The Hobbit" movies, but we don't know much about its
creation or power, aside from the prologue from Fellowship.

And that'd be an epic battle!

Zoom, zoom



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valMichael says:
(Tue Dec 23 18:24:06 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: oldman, Barnabas, she who cannot be named, and WolfByte!

YAY rikki!

Trivia Girl
a yellow crayon.

deadguy QOD There are no episodes of Angel that have holidays in theme or are specifically holiday themed. Buffy had several.

Thanks to all who YAY'ed me yesterday. :) You made my day.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 17:34:27 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper The fifth army. That did happen, but very late in the movie.

Foot Tapper Merry Christmas to you!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 23 17:18:06 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Shadowquest: Will do!

*HOBBIT SPOILER ALERT*

The fifth army is supposed to be the Eagles. So I'm guessing that didn't happen?

Also, they could make 10 movies out of The Silmarillion. I think somebody else owns the rights to that right now though. But they would have to be truly gargantuanly EPIC movies....



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Dec 23 16:58:21 2014 74.33.115.222) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Well, the plumbers are here. Just waiting on Mom w/the new heater, then I can
finally take a shower again after a week. (I mean at home - I've been taking
them @my folks' since last week Tuesday when the old heater died.)

Agent Cooper I went to Middle Earth for the last time last night. Well,
last time in the theater, that is.

And I'm man enough to admit I cried. I couldn't help it. Character fates
aside, knowing that this was the last time we'd be there, seeing Bilbo and
Gandalf, Legolas and Galadriel...it was sad. Very sad. And Billy Boyd's song
at the end didn't help matters.

I didn't look behind me, and was watching the glorious illustrations during the
end credits so I was only catching glimpses from the corner of my eye, but I
think there was maybe 20 other people in the theater. Typical, really.

So, as far as the movie...I thought it was fantastic. Perfect way to end the
series. Although I would've liked to have gotten to know the other dwarves
more, they really weren't that important - it was about Thorin and his two nephews. Balin & Dwalin were secondary, and the rest were just...support.

The battle was as epic as expected. Although I'm coming up one army short -
Dwarves, Elves, Men, and orcs. Unless they're considering the Gundabad
orcs to be a separate army.


One review I read complained that this movie "picks up right where the other one
left off," so you couldn't watch it on its own if you hadn't seen Desolation
of Smaug
. Well...first off, why would you go see the last movie in
a trilogy if you hadn't seen the other two? There are going to be elements -
plot points, character backstories - that you'd be clueless about. Secondly,
the same thing happened with Return of the King - it started with a
minor flashback to Smeagol & Deagol finding and fighting over the Ring, but then
the main story picked up with Gandalf, Gimli, Legolas, Theoden and Aragorn
riding into Isengard after the Ents unleashed the river.

There was one Legolas stunt that didn't work - too obviously CGI, which is
unfortunate. And I did get a bit dizzy with some "sweeping vista" scenes, until
I decided to just focus on one character or point. Dunno if that's because of the conversion from 3D or because of the film rate.

Once you've seen it we can discuss plot points.

cc: valMichael, Christopher Marlowe

Zoom, zoom



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Foot Tapper says:
(Tue Dec 23 16:53:28 2014 212.250.221.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hi everyone!

I hope you are all well and that maybe a few of you remember me :-)

I just wanted to drop by and wish everyone a merry Christmas for those who celebrate it and a very nice few days for those that don't :-)

I miss coming here and chatting about BtVS and AtS but real life keeps getting in the way!

Best wishes to you all,

FT x

"Gone. Notice the economy of phrasing: 'gone.' Simple. Direct." - Xander


SOs to: abt, Algerina (RIP), amystar, angela, Aramina, Austin154, Beldin, Bossy the Cow, buffyrat, cabin7dad, CaughtNTheQuiet, Christopher Marlowe, DaddyCatALSO, Django, Dru in LA, GothicAvenger, Gray (RIP), helygen, Holy Water, Irishrose, Jaan Quidam, jitsudude (RIP), KAM, k8cre8, kessie, Leather Jacket, Leira, loop, lostinamerica, lucille, Maverick, Menomegirl, Morella, neonate, newt, Niblet, Octoquad, Ojagwers, Old One, redwitch, Scourge, ShadowQuest, Shan, slayerdaddy, Thoin, Trinity, VampSlayer, VanHelsing, Watchers Pet, wolfguard, Zeus, white wings, wiccachick, The Birthday Gnome (you bring birthday fun every day!) The wise people = Old Man Fan, Mrs Beasley, valMichael (you guys know everything!), and anyone else Ive missed!


"Welcome to the Hellmouth: Because you are the Slayer. Into each generation a Slayer is born,
one girl in all the world, a Chosen One, one born with the strength and skill to hunt the vampires..."


Buffy: (smiling at Spike) "Hi, honey. I'm home." (attacks him) "You know what? It's good to be me." (Halloween)
Xander: "Clearly the hellmouth's answer to what do you get a slayer who has everything" (Surprise)
Willow: (to Oz) "I was waiting. I feel like some part of me will always be waiting for you. Like if I'm old and blue-haired, and I turn the corner in
Istanbul and there you are, I won't be surprised. Because... you're with me, you know?" (New Moon Rising)
Angel: "It's a claddagh ring. The hands represent friendship, the crown represents loyalty... and the heart... Well, you know... Wear it with the heart pointing towards you. It means you belong to somebody." (Surprise)
Giles: "And I myself will be wearing pink taffeta as chenille would not go with my complexion. Can we *please* talk about the Ascension?" (The Prom)
Faith: (to Buffy) "Are you protecting vampires? Are you the bad slayer now? Am I the good slayer now?" (Dirty Girls)
Spike: "Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will. *I* may be love's *****, but at least *I'm* man enough to admit it." (Lover's Walk)

City of : "Los Angeles. You see it at night and it shines. A beacon. People are drawn to it. People and other things. They come for all sorts of reasons. My reason? No surprise there. It started with a girl."

Angel: (to Lindsey) "I'm just here to say 'bon voyage'. Don't come back." (Dead End)
Cordelia: (to Wesley) "What? That she'd try to manoeuvre Angel into an exchange of bodily fluids in order to make herself eternally young
and beautiful, thus saving her failing career? Gee, now that you mention it." (Eternity)
Wesley: "I had my throat cut and all my friends abandoned me." (Spin the Bottle)
Gunn: (to Angel) "You enjoying your visit to nineteen seventy three?" (Picks up a memo pad) "I meant her message pad." (Epiphany)
Fred: (to her parents) "Angel's the champion, and Wesley's the brains of the operation, Gunn's the muscle and Cordy's the heart, and I'm..." (Fredless)
Lorne: (to Angel) "What's to understand? You think you're the first guy who ever rolled over, saw what was lying next to him and went 'Guyeah!'
And you're not. Believe me. - It's called a moment of clarity, my lamb. And you've just had one." (Epiphany) RIP Andy Hallett
Lindsey: "The key to Wolfram and Hart: don't let them make you play their game. You gotta make them play yours." (Dead End)



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Dec 23 15:44:49 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - a yellow crayon.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Dec 23 15:41:55 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
A yellow crayon



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 23 15:37:07 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What, according to Xander, did Willow break when they were in kindergarten?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 23 14:35:59 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
I'd be pretty bummed if this place closed down.

It's one of the 3 sites I ever post at.

Really down to 2 since one has been down with technical issues for a month now.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 23 14:25:36 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



oldman
Barnabas
she who cannot be named
WolfByte

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
oldman, Barnabas, she who cannot be named, WolfByte!



Mal: You know, you ain't quite right. River: It's the popular theory.'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Icelord says:
(Tue Dec 23 14:20:54 2014 96.254.7.230) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Dec 23 14:29:32 2014
🎄 The 3 stages of man:
He believes in Santa Claus.
He doesn't believe in Santa Claus.
He is Santa Claus.

YaY valMichael



And }}hugs{{ to wolfguard &
Christopher Marlowe


What did Jack Frost say to Frosty the
Snowman?

Have an ice day!

Yes!!!!! LOL

Off to work!!

One more cause it's a good one
What do you get when you cross a snowman with a vampire?
Frostbite.

Back tomorrow with luck!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 14:06:33 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
We few..we happy few...

yay rikki!

deadguy qod

I think with Buffy, in it's early years, a lot of the episodes centered around school. I think it was only with the later seasons that any episode could have been any day of the year.

It was less of a problem with Angel, as I don't recall any holiday getting any particular focus.

Agent Cooper I believe Phoenix, along with Artie were the ones to have created the Bronze Beta, after the original, official board shut down after Buffy ended.

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Dec 23 14:01:42 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper - Phoenix was one of the very early posters on The Bronze posting board. She was one of the organizers of the annual PBP (posting board party) in LA that Joss attended and brought a group from the show with him. When WB closed The Bronze, Phoenix and Artie created the Bronze Beta. Artie is no longer involved, it's just Phoenix.

That's the short version.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 23 13:38:11 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Who IS Phoenix, anyway?

Someone involved with the show(s) ?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Dec 23 13:37:28 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
I just caught Amends this
morning on TV. Doesn't it seem
kind of harsh that Angel, when
Buffy kills him, is sent to Hell?
As Angel pointed out in this
episode, it wasn't him that did
all the killing, but Angelus.
Does being a dissolute youth earn
you a place in hell?

Which brought something else to
mind--where had Spike been before
he was brought back on
ATS? Wouldn't he have
been where Buffy was, Heaven,
when he was "torn" out of there?
The demon inhabiting him was also
to blame for all the pain he
caused, plus he died a "champion"
and in flashbacks seemed like he
was a better person than Angel
was back in the day.


ChristopherMarlowe--
Agreed--that sounds like a
terrible idea for the next
Amazing Race :(


ChristopherMarlowe,
wolfguard
--As for the "Dear
God" poster--and whose fault is
that, that the Bronze is not the
same? I guess it would be yours,
and everyone else who left. But
once the show stopped, the reason
such a disparate group of people
was drawn to this site was gone,
and since they could meet up on
much more user-friendly sites
like LiveJournal, then Myspace
and then Facebook, as
ChristopherMarlowe said,
why come back here?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 23 13:21:15 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for rikki

yay rikki!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

christmas in sunnydale - we don't believe in ostentatious displays

am I correct in remembering only one 'christmas' episode of btvs and none on angel? ok, that's not really the question... does time of the year come in to play on any episodes of angel or could any episode be any day of the year?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 23 09:20:29 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Yay valMichael!!



Christopher Marlowe,

Thank you for all the info. Somehow, I forgot to reply to part of your post on presidents and covert operations, i.e. Watergate. The break-in was not a CIA operation, it was an operation run by folks employed by or associated with the White House.

To be fair, there are some people who believe CIA had something to do with it. James McCord was one of the five men caught at Watergate. He was former CIA. He was also leading the team and some have observed one wouldn't need five men to search and bug an office. Consequently, some believe he set-up the team to be caught at the bequest of CIA.

Anyway, Watergate is not an example of a rogue CIA operation. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 23 06:15:58 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: I just ran across this kind of a compendium of Watergate as chronicled on "The Dick Cavett Show" which we used to watch at the time. Dick Cavett's Watergate". This was on PBS's show "Secrets of the Dead." Watching it, I was amazed at how really well it was covered on his show.


Maverick


Trans-Siberial Orchestra's "Christmas Eve in Sarajevo"




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 05:09:09 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Dec 23 05:09:30 2014
Hah!

The Bronze Alternative

The threaded version of the board still exists too!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 04:56:18 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Dec 23 05:00:49 2014
wolfguard I did a quick search.

Previously TV Buffy forum

This forum seems to be fairly active, it is a board that formed sometime before the popular televisionwithoutpity.com (TWOP) website ceased to exist and it
became something of a refugee site for former TWOP posters.

I'm pretty sure the board doesn't cost Phoenix much, given the low traffic here. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 23 04:54:44 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Someone is footing the bill and I suspect it is Phoneix. Hail Phoenix!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 04:37:10 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Dec 23 04:42:43 2014
wolfguard The Bronze has always gotten smaller and smaller since the show
ended. He/She isn't observing anything new or revelatory.

With the prominence of facebook, the exodus has only accelerated. A fair number
of past and current bronzers are on on facebook/livejournal. Although there is a
Bronze page on facebook, the beta is actually more active.

That the online Bronze has existed in some form for 10 years is frankly,
remarkable. I've seen communities appear, disappear and reappear in other forms
many times, it is so for the Bronze.

As to the fate of this board? At some point I wouldn't be surprised if Phoenix
shuts it down or someone requests that Phoenix shuts it down. I'm not sure who
would make that call.

ETA

There is an alternative board, called buffistas.org. It seems to have been
around as long as the bronze and has a bigger community. Although even there,
the majority of the discussion these days is anything other than Buffy/Angel.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 23 03:30:07 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I don't know if the former presidents talk about such things amongst themselves.

As to AtS, *g*, I have to force myself to watch, because there are other things to watch and do. *g* I did the other night, because the number and depth of postings has dwindle so much, that ... well ... I was looking for something obligatory Whedon.

The drive-by who went by "Dear God" seems to have accomlished his or her purpose. We're bleeding out.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 02:41:15 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard On this Angel
rewatch, how far into the seasons
should we go? Through season 2?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 02:04:00 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Having just read the
book, I think the Watergate break-in
could be considered covert, but not
explicitly approved.

With several living Presidents, I
wonder if they ever 'talk shop' about
covert operations.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 23 00:20:57 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"When you join the CIA, you have to make some peace with whether you are comfortable psychologically and philosophically, with the use of force and using it clandestinely. Once you make peace with that, then it becomes an issue of who decides. And I'm unequivocal: that's the president of the Unised States. And I know no covert action has ever taken place without the president's explicit approval."

- Jack Devine, retired CIA officer, quoted in Foreign Affairs



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 23 00:06:21 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
RIP Joe Cocker



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 22 22:18:49 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geography
Question: What area of New York was named after Jonas Bronck?
Answer: Bronx

Trivia Natives: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan, valMichael
Trivia Out of Towners: Agent Cooper



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Dec 22 19:43:58 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
R.I.P. Joe Cocker



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 22 19:25:48 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Shadowquest et al: I find your Harry Potter statement interesting, because the Harry Potter movies were, IMHO, done perfectly. Everything looked exactly as I pictured it, for the most part.

There's always some hardcore purists out there whom nothing a film maker can do will please. Yes, they changed some things from the books, but I was forgiving of that because the books are very long and detailed and it is not reasonable to expect the film makers to cover every detail and still keep the movies to a practical length. Plus, the changes they made were subtle, very well done and fairly seamless. (To me, anyway.)

For the Hobbit movies, I find myself being less forgiving. Not because I'm a Tolkien Purist but because the complete opposite is true in this case. The Hobbit was fairly short and straightforward, and it just doesn't support 3 movies well. It could easily have been one or maybe two films and followed the book exactly.


Nevertheless, it was decided to make 3 for money's sake. And, hey, I'm fine with that. I like money too. But I think the art suffered because of that. The additions are not seamless at all, but rather jarring. There's lots of non-canon content that seems "stuffed in" for time -- and not very well.

Peter Jackson DID do a great job with the LOTR movies. I feel the same way about them as the HP movies --- they looked and felt like the books did in my mind. They were obviously created by folks who loved the story as much as I did, and I really felt transported to the world.

Not having ever directed a film myself, I would guess that adding stuff into movies is probably harder and doesn't work as well as cutting things out.

Also, you're taking a much bigger risk by adding than by taking away. I think hardcore fans are a bit disappointed when things are left out. But adding in stuff that was never there is guaranteed to really tick them off.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Dec 22 18:37:40 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Dec 22 19:59:52 2014
Trivia Girl: Bronco Billy's Corral, or during Christmas, his Chorale. BTW, interestingly (methinks) an early Detroit founder was a guy named Kronk.


Yay, valMichael, Yay!


Tequila, Anyone?


Christopher Marlowe: No, Ann Coulter is so very perceptive, and the only fault I find with her is that she may just be too funny, like Dave Barry funny. The larger theme of her UVa/"Rolling Stone" rape column, though, was that, like a vampire, liberal lies must be killed by a stake through the heart, otherwise, once proven WRONG, they are yet resurrected later and widely spread as part of the Progressive Mythology, things like "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" (as actually happening), and "I Can't Breathe" (as being choked was the reason for Garner's death), Mitt Romney saying "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" (as though Romney didn't care), the Duke LaCrosse Team non-existent "rape", etc. Do you want a list? Coulter's books are better and her research is impressive. She disproved a favorite Liberal myth, for instance, "that Joe McCarthy was dead wrong about his allegations in front of the House on Un-American Activites that Communists were rampant in the State Department" in her book "Treason."


R.I.P. Joe Cocker


Maverick


Oh, Holy Night




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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Dec 22 18:35:56 2014 74.33.115.222) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

DaddyCatALSO What makes you think they were referring to the Gambia Horse
& Donkey Trust? Seems to me the comic was poking fun of Andy's gambling and the
fact that donkeys aren't as fast as horses.

Christopher Marlowe A "Bronx cheer" is a raspberry. Not exactly how we
should be greeting valMichael. Unless he likes those...

In re: The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies - I am going to brave the
oncoming blizzard this afternoon, as I did last year, to go see it. The local
theater has it in 2D, but only at quarter to 8 at night, so I'll be driving a
bit further to see it at 3:35. (Tomorrow is the last day that theater will have
the movie, but the weather's supposed to be worse.)

I've seen every movie in this franchise in the theater, and have all the
soundtracks save this last one - local Walmart didn't have it. Not that they
were sold out - they didn't have it at all. Grr. Hopefully the one where I'm
going will; I'll leave early so I can check before the movie. Plus I want to
give myself a little extra time in case the roads are bad.

I've enjoyed the first two installments, although I will say I think
Unexpected Journey was a stronger story. I felt things got a
little...carried away in Desolation of Smaug. (I'm looking at you,
Legolas-jumping-on-dwarf-heads.) It kind of felt like the story was secondary
to the action, which is unfortunate.

I do not, however, agree with critics who are saying "Peter Jackson better leave
Middle Earth." I think he's done a fantastic job bringing that world to life -
you can see how much love the cast & crew had for the books and the story being
told.

People carped about the "Harry Potter" movies - "That's not how it was in the
book!" "Hermione didn't look like that!" Thing is everyone who reads a book
"sees" the story differently. You picture the characters differently, see the places differently. The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit trilogies
are just one man's interpretation of the books. He hired fantastically creative
people to help him bring that vision to life, and did an amazing job. In my
opinion.

Zoom, zoom



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 22 17:39:34 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael A Bronx cheer is always welcome!

Agent Cooper That's how I felt about the Hobbit movies. I will reserve the right to change my opinion, however. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 22 17:13:46 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: You're really phoning it in over the holidays, huh? :-))

Answer: Queens, of course!


THE HOBBIT: Well, I'm going to see the last movie eventually. As I said before, I didn't necessarily like the first two, but I'm invested now and I feel obligated as a Tolkien-ite.



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valMichael says:
(Mon Dec 22 16:16:23 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Dec 22 16:17:30 2014
Happy Birthday: Dark Angel, Hanna Murray, kendra, gruber, and oldman!

YAY me?
LOL. I read the posting board from the top down and read the Trivia Question first. When I got to the Yay of the Day, I read it "Let's hear a great big Bronx cheer for ..." at first. Well deserved I'd say!

Trivia Girl The Bronx. Note: if it's not The Bronx and say, Queens. I'm going to be very surprised.

Agent Cooper Jackson took much more liberties with The Hobbit than he did with the LOTR films. I really can hardly wait to see it. :)



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Dec 22 15:43:21 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Dec 22 15:44:44 2014
Trivia Girl
The Bronx

Yay valMichael!



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Dec 22 15:42:42 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - The Bronx.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 22 15:40:19 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geography
Question: What area of New York was named after Jonas Bronck?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 22 14:59:43 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
From a movie review of "Five Armies:"

"A fine, fun film with several characters who have the same names as those in a Tolkien story."

Heh.



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KAM says:
(Mon Dec 22 14:31:32 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY VALMICHAEL

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 22 14:13:30 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday,December 22nd 2014 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



DaRkAnGeL
Hannah Murray
kendra Gruber
oldman


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Dark Angel, Hanna Murray, kendra, gruber, oldman!



Uh, are we gonna fight, or is there just gonna be a monster sarcasm rally? Stoner Vamp, 'The Freshman'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 22 14:06:42 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
yay valmichael!


Goodbye Blue Monday

lostinamerica I am not so thrilled about the twist in the next race, all dating couples. It's like taking the worst aspect of TAR and amping it to 12.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Dec 22 13:01:58 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, Comma-
-I too am satisfied with the end
of Amazing Race--I think
an important component of the
race is not only the physical but
mental challenges, and
I'm glad to see a return of that
kind of challenge for the final.
The wrestlers were eliminated
during the episode but they
wouldn't have won anyway--they
themselves acknowledged mental
challenges were their Achilles
heel. While I was impressed with
surfers' performance,
particularly the girl, I wasn't
too sure about their mental
prowess. As for the dentists--in
theory they should have been as
strong as the scientists, but in
two challenges involving paying
attention to detail (maybe three)
they didn't do so well.

It just goes to show you, just
make it to the final episode and
you may have a chance to win, no
matter where you finished during
the race :)



Yay! valMichael! Much
deserved!


Belated Happy Birthday
Dogmeat!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 22 12:43:10 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for valmichael!

yay valmichael!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 22 05:09:22 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think the Angel
series ending was the only one to
have surprised me utterly. I had no
idea they would do it that way and
I'm sure it is still being debated.

Congrats on your goddaughter
finishing her run. Did she have
thoughts on Connor?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 22 04:49:14 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Yay TAMZ!

Belated Yay Gothic Avenger!


Happy Birthday Dogmeat!





Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 22 03:29:17 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Dec 22 03:31:33 2014
Untouched
A second season Angel episode

Written by Mere Smith and directed by Joss Whedon

Exactly what did Angel do to help Bethany, the young woman with PK powers? Offered help. Persuaded her that PK was not a disease, but a gift - if she could learn to control it.

Further developments

- Cordelia continues to become Cordy. She champions paying Gunn for his contributions. When faced with the kidnap crew, she reacts in a way that gives them an opportunity to run - though they don't get far.

- Lilah is shown to be willing to deceive, use, and sacrifice a friend. And, Lilah is shown to be losing in her competition with Lindsey.

- Darla continues working the dream mojo on Angel.


Odds & Ends

- The Vision Thing is quite the verse convenience for initiating a story.

- Was Bethany an example of a 'blonde' who is chased by 'monsters' into an alley way where, like a Buffy, she turns the tables?

Cordelia ~ The poor man can't even afford a real axe.

*g*



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 22 03:02:29 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I sensed a disturbance that could have been an Icelord, but one can easily err in reading disturbances.

My AtS-watching goddaughter finished the series finale tonight. She texted when it started, 'Kinda worried' and texted when it ended, 'Wow. That was phenomenal.' *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 22 02:05:40 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I thought I saw an
Icelord!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 22 01:06:25 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
*Blink*

What was that?

*g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 21 23:41:15 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Markus I'm doing well, just made final Christmas plans with my mother.



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Icelord says:
(Sun Dec 21 22:14:20 2014 96.254.7.230) [Edit/Delete]
A humbug walks into a bah......

If you blinked, you missed me!!!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sun Dec 21 20:38:32 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest Today's, Sundya's, Andy Capp mentions one of Tony's charities.



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Markus says:
(Sun Dec 21 20:21:07 2014 120.16.9.83) [Edit/Delete]
Hi all...
How are we today?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 21 19:16:06 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
MAverick It takes moron to know a moron. Her opinions are not worth the waste of a single pixel.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Dec 21 19:10:30 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica: Ann Coulter explains the UVA "Rape" situation in her hilarious column "One in Five 'Rolling Stone' Writers Is a Moron"


Comma, valMichael, Christopher Marlowe: Further to my Cuba dissertation: American Workers are Big Losers in Cuba Thaw. I love what Rubio says about Obama being the worst negotiator we have ever had in the U.S. Presidency. (But that's only because Obama real Agenda is to rehabilitate our opinion of Communism in Cuba.) AND Castro to Pocket 92% of Worker Salaries from Foreign Companies. Note that Raul Castro has stated in a speech that he made NO concessions to Obama. So, if you think what Obama has done (without consulting congress) here will somehow help the Cuban man in the street, it will not do much (it will hurt US more than it helps them.) Keep in mind, here, folks, that American baseballs are hand-sewn in Costa Rica (used to be Haiti) and the workers work 10 hours a day and earn a base salary of $1.60 per hour (but if they make more than 156 balls per week, they get a bonus of $.52 cents per ball.) I'm hoping (guessing) they only work 5 days a week. This work is finger cramping and carpal tunnel syndrome producing but not compensated for.


Maverick


Christmas Is Coming


Christmas Time Is Here




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;ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 21 17:29:44 2014 69.9.208.65) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Dogmeat!

lostinamerica

I was happy with the outcome!



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valMichael says:
(Sun Dec 21 16:45:07 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Dec 21 16:58:28 2014
Happy Winter Solstice
(which occurs at 17:03 CST, 23:03 UT)


Happy Birthday: Angelus702, Bell-Gurl, Dogmeat, ektagraph, Erin, KitCat, and LaNi!

Santas we'd like to see.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 21 13:51:57 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, December 21st 2014 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!



Angelus702
Bell-Gurl
Dogmeat
ektagraph
Erin
KitCat
LaNi


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Angelus702, Bell-Gurl, Dogmeat, ektagraph, Erin, KitCat, LaNi!



You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy. River, 'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Dec 21 13:35:46 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, Comma--I'll comment on the Amazing Race finale--as soon as I see it :( Darn the Xmas holidays!


Happy Belated Birthday Bossy the Cow!



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Maverick says:
(Sat Dec 20 19:57:58 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Comma, valMichael, Christopher Marlowe: Cuba is a Communist Country that is THE greatest and clearest Object Lesson that Communism doesn't work. It's a Teachable Moment. [Over the years the Russians have poured a lot of money into Cuba to keep it afloat but they have largely failed. And, funny thing, Obama plans on rescuing Cuba just as the Russian Ruble is failing (why failing? partially because Russia pours money into places like Cuba without getting anything in return other than a loyal friend {and, at one time, armed surrogates that attempted to overthrow governments in Africa and South America and establish Communism there.})] You DO know there's a run on the Russian Ruble? Do you know what that means? [Russia is also in trouble, currently, because of falling oil prices.] Cuba has extreme, abject poverty and the reason is that the government steals an estimated 80% of all commerce on the Island to keep itself in power. Communists determine what is produced in a country and how much the workers are paid. Capitalist countries, like ours, have private companies that experiment and try to innovate and produce BETTER and more useful products. The money for R & D (research and development) is rolled into the price of the new products. We create wealth when we innovate and the price of a new product is more than the cost of developing and making it. Communists, however, do not have money to innovate; they just steal the ideas for their products from Capitalistic countries. Communist countries are essentially cannibalistic, in that they feed on each other's efforts (once the government has taken its cut) and the law of diminishing returns sets in and there is less and less. That's why every so often we catch a Chinese-American worker selling secrets to the Chinese, etc. Cuba, supposedly, has a wonderful medical system (if you listen to Michael Moore, who made a movie called "Sicko") but they just steal their treatments and medicines from the U.S. and Europe. Cuba HAS spent money trying to showcase its medical system, but just look at Hugo Chavez, for instance, who was treated in Cuba. Now, Obama, who is a Marxist HATES to see Cuba failing (all lefties hate to see this because it points to OUR future if we buy into Communism--it never works) and Obama will spend American dollars (he WILL--I'm telling you--American dollars we don't have, BTW) propping it up. Have you ever seen any American refugees traveling south to Cuba for a better life? No, they all try to come north, here, for the freedom. It's sad, yes, that the Cuban people get caught in the middle of this ideological and economic system tug of war, but if Cuba thrives, because we've subsidized it, like Russia has long done (to questionable results,) then Communism will be touted as a success (and not the infusion of our capitalistic dollars) and the miseries of Communism will just be spread to other countries. Yes, the Cubans have income equality but the common workers live in poverty. The Cuban women, who roll those cigars on their thighs, live in poverty.


Maverick


Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Canon"




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 17:26:49 2014 70.198.1.3) [Edit/Delete]
ValMichael

I agree about the extended edition
of lotr, well worth it. The hobbit
may need less, not more though!



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Comma says:
(Sat Dec 20 17:12:17 2014 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Dec 20 17:19:22 2014
Chrsitophermarlowe and valMichael: I have had the pleasure of smoking a Cuban cigar rolled in the middle fifties. It, along with 19 of it's sisters, had been kept in a humidor for seventeen years when I sent it, as a burnt sacrifice, to the Gods. It was after a military funeral, and the deceased service person's wife gave each one of us, on the funeral detail, a cigar. Because of training in other countries, and being friends with several Canadian military personnel, I have had several boxes, in my hands, over the years. All do not know how many times I have landed in the US with a box of Hav-A-Tampa cigars that were not Hav-A-Tampa's. I will say that the ones in later years never have tasted as sweet as that first one.

Comma



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valMichael says:
(Sat Dec 20 16:06:19 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Aeris, Baby Cordy, cliodhna, Cricket, decay, Kay, lunec, Roxx, Sanj, and Tasremzo!

ChristopherMarlowe
I enjoyed the Extended Edition of LOTR much better than the theatrical version. The added content flesh out the story in many places, and it went from a 9 hour trilogy to a little over 11½ hours.

You asked the other day about WOW's new Warlords of Draenor. It's actually excellent! I finally managed to complete the Proving Grounds: Silver which is required to unlock the Heroic version of the WOD dungeons. The Proving Grounds is a test of skill playing your avatar. There are three types of challenges, and three levels of skill needed to complete the challenges. The types are Tanking, DPS (damage doing), and Healing. The three levels are Bronze, Silver and Gold. Each increase in level brings significantly harder challenges. For DPS (which is what my warlock does), you have to face 8 battle challenges, one right after the other. The level of firepower, armor, etc. is fixed so if you have significantly better armor or weapons, it doesn't help. Next for me is Gold. If I can do that, I'll be able to claim I'm an excellent warlock. :)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Dec 20 15:17:33 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday ,December 20th 2014 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!



Aeris
Baby Cordy
cliodhna
Cricket
Decay
Kay
lunec
Roxx
Sanj
Tasremzo


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Aeris, Baby Cordy, cliodhna, Cricket, decay, Kay, lunec, Roxx, Sanj, Tasremzo!



Saffron: He's my husband. Mal: Well, who in the damn galaxy ain't? 'Trash

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 15:10:17 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think the third movie: the Return of the King, will always be my favorite out of all of them. I liked the first Hobbit movie the best.



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valMichael says:
(Sat Dec 20 15:10:01 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper If you look at the Bronze: Beta Info at the top of the page, and go to Supported HTML tags, the very first line is how to create an internet link.

Comma I agree totally. Besides, Cubans are the best at rolling cigars!

I ask you, what could be better than sitting before a fire in an overstuffed leather chair, drinking an 18-25 year old The MacCallan Scotch whisky smoking a Cuban cigar while listening to your favorite music?



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Icelord says:
(Sat Dec 20 14:24:01 2014 96.254.7.230) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick
Nice to have you back home :0)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 05:21:37 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Dec 20 06:17:33 2014
wolfguard I would not necessarily recommend seeing the Hobbit, unless they cut the entirely trilogy down to a two hour movie.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 04:56:40 2014 70.198.33.42) [Edit/Delete]
Back from middle earth, thank god



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 20 02:43:20 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I only saw the first LoTR movies. A couple nights ago watched Untouched. If it were not for Angel and Cordelia, I would never associate AtS with BtVS.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 02:22:20 2014 70.198.34.204) [Edit/Delete]
Comma

I have no issue with a/new
relationship with Cuba and I am a
democrat.

I was also satisfied with the
outcome of the amazing race.



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Comma says:
(Sat Dec 20 01:58:26 2014 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
First, all Democrats sit down. I don't want all fainting. I 100% agree with us and Cuba getting friendly again. I have never understood us and Vietnam, and us and China being associated and not us and Cuba.

Spoiler on The Amazing Race: The Geeks won!

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 01:28:39 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Dec 20 01:35:08 2014
wolfguard I'll be descending into the Middle Earth tonight, via
the movie theater. I'm pretty glad the trilogy is over, I havent' enjoyed it as
much as the original Lord of the Rings.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Dec 20 01:09:38 2014 69.245.73.47) [Edit/Delete]
Mrs. Beasley: Nice to see you again. I hope I haven't been the one keeping you away.


Christopher Marlowe: My computer had been giving me "lack of proxy" messages and I had to take it in to Staples. They said I had like 46 viruses on it which were removed by my Norton Program but which had also taken bits and pieces of my Firefox browser with it. In time it finally affected my Internet connection. But it's okay, now. Dr. Donna Beegle has an inspirational story, but I'm not sure how relevant it IS to most of the poverty we see. Her family was, like, migrant workers and she had little exposure to schools and TV, etc. What will really hurt people who grow up with HER type of poverty is Obama's Open Southern Border which just entices the whole world here and those people will in time get dumped onto Christian poverty programs and will overwhelm them. The enticees just will further result in reduced wages for everyone trying to make it. I like Star Parker better who came off of entrenched Welfare. Lots of the blacks in poverty rejected an education and refused the Mainstream culture (wanting the thug culture) but still want to be supported by it. I had to laugh as I finally saw "A Christmas Story" for the first time (about the kid Ralphie who wanted a BB gun and whose father and mother were the wonderful Darren McGavin and lovely Melinda Dillon) and in his class in school were a few black kids and that was the way I remember grade school. The only problem was that by high school other blacks had beat them down so miserably for "acting white" or being an "Uncle Tom" that few had the intellectual curiosity to power through.


Agent Cooper: To make an Internet link . . . you have to want to make an Internet link. If I remember correctly, I learned how on Leather Jacket's old website.


Maverick


Mary, Did You Know?




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 20 00:53:42 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I was watching
Darla the other night, I
thought it was one of the best
character-focused episode of the
show. I almost wished for an Angel
and Darla tv series, there is so much
that could have been done there.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 20 00:29:04 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Excitement or fear work.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 19 23:56:37 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan That's one way to keep yourself awake while looking insane. *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 19 21:59:46 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Anatomy
Question: What is unique about the Hyoid Bone?
Answer: It's not attached to another bone.

Trivia Dem Bones: OldManfan, , MRs.Beasley, valMichael
Trivia Boners: Agent Cooper



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 19 21:53:51 2014 209.51.184.10) [Edit/Delete]
ValMichael: Avalon Hill, that brings me back! I like Wizard's Quest and Red Baron. I own these, and Russian Front, which I've only played a couple of times because it's very involved and requires alot of time.

I also own Squad Leader but I'm not smart enough to play it. :-)



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Dec 19 21:14:23 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - a slap in the face every few minutes should work. *g

OMF


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