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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 30 06:43:56 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 30 06:46:35 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

I read that if you see a crocodile in the water that appears to be eyeing you and that crocodile then disappears, then you need to run away from the water. Why? The crocodile, having noted your position, is rapidly heading your way. It will launch from the water intending to grab you.

Alligators, on the other hand, can't do that. They would lose their way between where they submerged and the spot on the shore where they saw you. They would have to break surface a couple times to reorient.

Similarly, the pheasant is going into the hover mode to orient where it's going.



ETA Kidding aside, I just wondered if the pheasant hovers with the possible intent of drawing you away from its nest or mate? I recall some bird species that fakes a broken wing intending to draw a predator after it and away from its brood.


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white wings says:
(Mon Nov 30 04:59:26 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Anoimois, Arrow 6, DaddyCatALSO, elfie, Goddess Minerva, Laurence, Midnight, Ski, Southern Girl, Tessa!

DaddyCatALSO - I hope it was a good one!

Maverick - I actually knew the verb to defenestrate, and I remember it fondly. I learned it reading The Saint books (an unspecified number of years ago) riding the train in to school in London. Leslie Charteris did not shy away from longer words.

My cable is out. *sob* But not my internet, which arrives via the same coax cable. Only TV channels. After a young lady in technical support and I had a fairly entertaining conversation on the subject, we agreed that my only possibility was to summon a technician. In the meantime I can watch with an HDMI cable strung across the room from a PC where the app is playing. *sob*

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 30 00:12:37 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick How new/old is that
Detroit series?

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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 29 21:27:22 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Nov 29 21:36:51 2015

Birthday Happies to: DaddycatALSO, Laurence, and Southern Girl

Southern Girl is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #24 (in Good Standing)

Today is Sunday, November 29, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Defenestration (Dee-FENN-a-STRAY-shun) The act of throwing a person or thing out of a window; also, an abrupt dismissal. The killer got rid of the murder weapon by defenestration. Every good French student knows the word for window in French is la fenetre.

I'm watching "Detroit 1-8-7" on DVD. This is the police homicide series shot in Detroit with Michael Imperioli and Natalie Martinez and Jon Michael Hill (now on "Elementary." It is so fascinating to see so many Detroit landmarks, etc., filmed in this manner and as part of homicide investigations. The yellow tape, though, wrapped around a crime scene is very familiar.


Ave Maria (Schubert)

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 29 18:46:46 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Like alligators? How so?

happy Birthday DaddyCAtALSO!

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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 29 18:33:03 2015 [Edit/Delete]

Appears pheasants are behaving like alligators.


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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Nov 29 14:56:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, November 29th 2015 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!

Goddess Minerva
Southern Girl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
Anoimois, Arrow 6, DaddyCatALSO, elfie, Goddess Minerva, Laurence, Midnight, Ski, Southern Girl, Tessa!

Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

to be added to the birthday list, please email


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white wings says:
(Sun Nov 29 05:33:34 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday East Side Kid, Lady of Buffdom, Lady Pol, Myst, Perchewit, quinne, Rogue, and scoobie2!

lostinamerica - As it happens, I can share with you the benefits of my limited experience and dubious expertise. *g* I have hunted pen-raised pheasants with my father, and once we hunted wild turkeys. We were unsuccessful with the turkeys, but he had brought home wild turkeys before, and told me something about the techniques. Pheasants are not among the world's great thinkers. If flushed they fly straight up for about ten feet, hover a second, and then fly on. If you can shoot them as they reach their hovering point, then it is fairly easy. If they fly on successfully, they are likely to come to ground while still in sight. Beautiful, but dumb as a post. Wild turkeys are smart and crafty. Outside of hunting season, or where they aren't hunted, they wander around pretty freely. But with hunters around, one has to overcome their caution by making them believe there are nubile hens around. Where one walks after pheasant, preferably with dogs, one hides in a blind and tries to lure turkeys using a variety of odd shaped boxes with strikers. The time I went with my father we couldn't even get a return gobble, but the next day the friend who had invited us said that a gobbler was displaying in her driveway. I surmise that it requires both skill and luck to get a turkey. And when you've got him, you've got something that is lean. The drumsticks are sinewy. It takes careful cooking and basting and stuff to make it moist and tasty.

I can't imagine Pilgrims and Native Americans both lacking venison unless someone was bogarting it.

Elk are fairly rare in the northeast, at least they are now. I suspect that Hawkeye was probably seeking a mule deer while you were very properly concentrating on Daniel Day- Lewis.

Christopher Marlowe - Stay warm and dry. I may stare at new fallen snow with a sense of wonder, but I really don't want it.

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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 29 00:51:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO: Yes, Andy Capp was frequently crapulent.


All I Want For Christmas is You

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Nov 28 23:37:33 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe go ahead- I stole it form the guys doing Andy Capp since Reg Smythe died.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 28 22:20:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO! I like that! I might just steal it from you.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Nov 28 21:28:34 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I know I'll never find the answer to my problems at the bottom of a glass of booze, but I always make sure to check just in case.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 28 20:36:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Managed to get in four hours of work today, before more snow it. Wasn't able to get much shopping done, thought.

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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 28 17:47:36 2015 [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica: No, they will cook you (and they DO cook a few extra to sell on the day) a turkey for a very large price (say $33) and then the next day (Friday) afterwards they cut the price in half. Check out the cold round bins near the produce where they have like cheese and hummus and such; they might still have a few for sale. Also, look for the Kroger Pumpkin Pie Ice Cream.

Today is Saturday, November 28, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Crapulent (CRAP-you-lent) - may seem like a joke word but it actually means being sick from gross excess in drinking or eating. (feeling like crap, methinks.)

Michigan and Ohio State today should be a good emotional game. On Now, Noon or 1:00.


Goodbye To You

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Nov 28 14:19:33 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--My sister-in-law
does Thanksgiving so we haven't
had leftovers in years :( This
year is the first year she sent
some turkey home with guests so
my husband is happily eating
turkey sandwiches for lunch :)

I didn't realize Kroger would
cook the turkey for you at a low
price, I'll have to check to see
if they have a small bird for us.

white wings--I Googled--
turkeys do range that far north.
Yes, I've also heard they're
difficult to hunt and there's not
much to them, so maybe that's why
they weren't eaten at the First
Thanksgiving. Whenever we see
them in the yard we text a
picture with various captions to
my brother-in-law, who has hunted
them with no success the last few
years ;)

He did just return from a
pheasant-hunting trip with a
pheasant--maybe they're not so
smart and easier to catch ;)

And yes, why no venison? I
watched The Last of the
and very much
enjoyed seeing Daniel Day-Lewis
running through the trees in
pursuit of a deer, or possible an
elk--I wasn't concentrating on
that part ;)

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Nov 28 13:25:08 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, November 28th 2015 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!

East Side Kid
Lady of Buffdom
Lady Pol

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
East Side Kid, Lady of Buffdom, Lady Pol, Myst, Perchewit, quinne, Rogue, scoobie2!

Hermanos! The devil has built a robot! Numero Cinco, 'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 28 05:55:26 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th: I thought you might find this report fascinating. It's about a record store that Jack White has opened in Downtown Detroit AND it mentions that he is also installing his own record-pressing plant next door. Interestingly the area this is opening up in is one of the worst in Detroit; it's next to Wayne State University but also it known for its panhandlers and prostitutes. So, I wish him well with his business venture.


Mary, Did You Know?

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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 28 05:39:01 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: I thought you knew by now: boobs, even fake ones, render men stupid (even if they were not, up to that point.)

Okay, I WILL have a belated turkey day this weekend after all. This is my strategy. Today (the day after Thanksgiving) I bought at Kroger a 14.3 lb turkey for $16.89. One of their Prime Selection brand turkeys. And the beauty of it? It's already cooked; all I have to do is to heat it up. I love turkey and the whole deal with mashed potatoes and stuffing and gravy and I hate to miss it. But I can afford to wait till AFTER the holiday to buy it, so I can get it cheaper and already cooked.


Last Christmas

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agent cooper says:
(Sat Nov 28 04:37:07 2015 [Edit/Delete]
yeah, i saw that. details were sketchy when i last
looked. i hope there are no casualties and the
cops catch the shooter quickly.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 28 04:36:30 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That is a nifty story! I am a bit surprised that the fellow had never met since '44. I picture France as teeming with tourists.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 28 03:32:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper, wolfguard I was doing a bit of proofreading and catching up with the shootings at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, CO.

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 28 03:31:24 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper & Christopher Marlowe,

Peggy Noonan was interviewed by Julie Mason on today's Press
. I believe she was doing a book tour. Apparently Noonan and
Joan Rivers were good friends. Noonan told how she met Rivers ...

They both been invited to attend a hot balloon outing in France. There
were several balloons and the two of them shared one. They had an
accident. The balloon came down hard and were tossed out of the basket
into a potato field. A farmer ran out to them and Rivers yelled ~~ Help
us! Save the baby~ (paraphrasing, I know 'help' and 'baby' were said
*g*). As the farmer is helping them he tells them they are the first
Americans he's seen since the Normandy invasion in '44 (I believe the
ballooning incident happened around 1991). The farmer is so taken by the
memory that he runs to is house and returns with a bottle of brandy.
Drinks are had by all.

Noonan ended saying that in the course of 20 minutes she had been
terrified, overcome with laughter, and brought to tears.


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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 28 03:19:05 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe & Agent Cooper,

I'm here. In five minutes I will pass on story Peggy Noonan told today.


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agent cooper says:
(Sat Nov 28 02:13:37 2015 [Edit/Delete]
i'm here, not sure how long. Sitting in my
daughters room, till she falls asleep.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 28 02:02:26 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Anyone else around tonight?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 27 23:44:30 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick If only more men had
that fear...

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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 27 23:20:45 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Fear of fake boobs.

Today is Friday, November 27, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Eschatology (ESS-Ka-TOL-o-Gee) - In Theology, any systems of doctrines concerning last or final matters. This includes in Christianity the Rapture, the antiChrist and the Apocalypse (the End Times) and in Islam, for instance, increasing violence and the emergence of the Hidden (12th) Iman who will demand a violent path to conquer the world. Used in a sentence: Many religious figures are monitoring the escalating confusion and violence of the world in terms of the eschatological traditions of each religion.

I know you've been waiting for this and today begins Christmas MIDI Season.


I Wonder As I Wander

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 27 22:53:45 2015 [Edit/Delete]
An excerpt1

"...When I was part of the economic forecasting staff of the Treasury,
in the late 1950s and early 1960s, we were instructed to develop long-
term forecasts, generally three, to cover a range of optimistic,
moderate, and pessimistic outlooks. Then our political leaders would
pick the alternative that produced a budget deficit or surplus of a size
that was deemed politically correct. Why not? Economic forecasts were
not that reliable anyway. Why burden the president with an unpopular
budget presentation when there really isn't much confidence in the
underlying economic assumptions, statistics, or forecasting techniques?
Cynical? Perhaps, but that was the political reality. So far as I can
tell the major difference today is that the computer speeds up the
process and makes it easier to modify forecasts to satisfy the changing
political imperatives of the day..."

Some comments:

1) The given time period covers both Republican and Democratic

2) The paragraph opens by saying the federal budget "is and always will
be be primarily a political document"

3) This was written in the mid-1990's

1The Truth about the National Debt: Five Myths and One
, Francis X Cavanaugh, c.1996, p.52


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white wings says:
(Fri Nov 27 22:51:58 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Trinity!
Happy Birthday Kathrine Anna (SweePer & FASTEDDIE's daughter)!

lostinamerica - The turkeys were probably too wily to be caught. ;-) Also, a wild turkey can be pretty lean and tough. More to the point is why there was no venison. I have difficulty believing that, unless each side was holding out on the other.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 27 22:19:48 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you have Cenosillicaphobia?
Answer: an empty glass

Trivia Glass HaLF fULL: OldManFan
Trivia Glass Half empty: Agent Cooper

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Dogmeat says:
(Fri Nov 27 18:53:27 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe

thank you for all the tasty tidbits
about Thanksgiving. :

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 27 18:18:01 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Hey, that's great! I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Very imaginative and has great characters.

I just gave my copy to my Mom to read. I got her hooked on Dresden, and she's enjoying this one as well.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 27 17:57:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
AGent Cooper I picked up a copy of the Aeronaut's Windlass, and just started reading it. Promising so far!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 27 17:45:55 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The fear of John Cena

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OldManFan says:
(Fri Nov 27 15:50:47 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - the fear of an empty glass.


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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 27 15:38:33 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you have Cenosillicaphobia?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 27 14:18:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, November 27th 2015 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!

Kathrine Anna (SweePer & FASTEDDIE's daughter)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Kathrine Anna (SweePer & FASTEDDIE's daughter)

Come on. You drop by for a cup of coffee, and the world's not ending? Please. Connor, 'Not Fade Away'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 27 14:07:24 2015 [Edit/Delete]
yay trinity!

Happy Thank Joss It's Black Friday Day!

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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 27 13:55:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Comma--Good luck today at
the store :) I, for one, found
the same price online as was
being offered in the stores and
so did my shopping from the
comfort of my recliner :) I'm
interested to see what prices
will be offered Cyber Monday.

And Happy Birthday to your great-

There's a creek called Turkey
Creek just outside Knoxville too-
-it's now in the center of a
major shopping area, of course ;)

And I was surprised there was no
turkey served at the first
Thanksgiving, because I would
think there would have been wild
turkeys available. Unless they
didn't live that far north--I see
them in my yard regularly here :)

My husband said having turkey at
Thanksgiving is a result of the
efforts of the turkey producers
of America ;)

Yay! Trinity!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Nov 27 12:41:02 2015 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for trinity!

yay trinity!

Happy Thank Joss It's Black Friday Day!

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Comma says:
(Fri Nov 27 07:45:09 2015 [Edit/Delete]
There is a meme on FACEBOOK that states, 'I DO NOT BLAME DISNEY FOR MY HIGH EXPECTATION OF WOMEN, I BLAME JOSH!'. Then it shows all the pictures of the 'good women' of BtVS.

The great-grand daughter turns two today.

My favorite new political quotes:1. Voting for Hillary because she is a women is as smart as eating a turd because it looks like a Tootsie Roll! 2. Bernie Sanders, his first day in office, will order the Department of Aquiculture to plant all those magical trees so as to produce all the stuff he has promised for free!

I am up this early so I can go pull internet orders for Black Friday. Then at five we open the doors. While some, who work retail, really hates this day, I really enjoy Black Friday. It helps that I work where every Black Friday deal has been offered on line for over 24 hours. That allows our customers to sleep in, or to shop elsewhere, and pickup there purchases at a later time or date.

Just time to take a shower, run by McDonald's for breakfast, and get into work. All have a good day, and, if you are going out today, go slow and remember that there are crazy spoiled people out there who believes that shopping on Black Friday is a combat sport.


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white wings says:
(Fri Nov 27 05:56:13 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday black magick, Fangs, Jennie, mere, Psyche, and redhead!

Maverick - That sounds like a time of skeery possibilities and
exhilarating success. Fortunate that it was standalone.

LOL! to the early Communist experiment. The idealists keep trying to work
against human nature rather than with it.

Christopher Marlowe - Nice Turkey Day trivia!

des - *waves* Good to see you!

Trivia Girl - I certainly tried to follow your suggestion. ;-)
Family, roast beast, dressing, 'taters, beans, last minute Yorkshire
pudding, pecan pie. Followed later by leftover roast beast, leftover
Chinese roast duck, leftover everything else, and an Angelfood cake for a
belated joint birthday with my brother.

Alas, the football game we watched was exciting and ended in sadness, but
not indigestion.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 27 04:18:07 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I think I heard
about some of that trivia already!
Still, it's good trivia. *g*

SPIKE: You made a bear, Undo it! Undo

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des says:
(Fri Nov 27 01:51:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I hope all had a enjoyable Thanksgiving.
and I would like to give my thanks to all, ALL, of you.

This is a test of the password renewal system. If this had been a real post, a message or comment would have been typed. This concludes this test of the password renewal system.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 27 01:46:53 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 27 01:48:27 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Okay, Trivia Girl. What about these facts I heard today on POTUS about
the White House ...

First, until the beginning of the 20th century it usually wasn't called
"The White House". Instead, it was called the President's Mansion or
Palace. It's official name was the Executive Mansion.

The mansion became commonly known as the White House with Teddy
Roosevelt in 1901.

The entire interior was gutted for structural renovation during the
Truman administration.

Some of the original structure remains from after British soldiers burnt
the mansion during the War of 1812. You can tell for the scorch marks.

The "West Wing" was added by FDR.

Obligatory Thanksgiving Buffy ...

GILES ~ I like smushed peas.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 27 01:32:01 2015 [Edit/Delete]
hanksgiving Day 2015 means turkey,
dressing and cranberry sauce (and a
nap!) but still plenty more we can
learn about the holiday that's all
about gratefulness.

Here's a serving of Thanksgiving
Day facts, trivia, history,
traditions and more:

Blame Thanksgiving for TV dinner
In 1953, the folks at Swanson
purchased too many frozen turkeys
ahead of the Thanksgiving
celebration. Faced with 26 extra
tons of the bird, the company
decided to slice it, package with
some vegetables and sell it on its
on. The first TV dinner was born
and American went nuts.

Busiest day for plumbers Black
Friday isn't just busy for
retailers, it's also the busiest
day of the year for plumbers. From
unclogging kitchen sings, disposals
and toilets, plumbers are in high
demand on Black Friday, which
they've dubbed "Brown Friday"
(don't ask.) Roto Rooter said their
incoming calls for service pick up
50 percent over the average Friday.

HOW MANY CALORIES?!? -The average
person consumes 4,500 calories on
Thanksgiving day enough to gain
about 1.3 pounds. To put that in
perspective, a 160-pound person
would have to run at a steady pace
for six hours, swim for seven-and-
a-half hours or walk 45 miles to
burn off the Thanksgiving dinner.

Four places in US named Turkey-
There are four places in the U.S.
named Turkey: Turkey Creek,
Louisiana; Turkey, N.C.; Turkey,
Texas; and Turkey, Arizona.

Ben Franklin and turkeys In 1784,
Ben Franklin wrote a letter to his
daughter suggesting that the wild
turkey would be a more appropriate
national symbol for the U.S. than
the Continental Congress' choice of
the bald eagle. He thought turkeys
were more respectable and "true
original Native of America."

Football and food -The Detroit
Lions Thanksgiving day game is a
holiday tradition. The Lions played
their first Thanksgiving Day
football game in 1934, when they
hosted the Chicago Bears at the
University of Detroit Stadium. The
game was broadcast via NBC Radio,
making it the first national
football broadcast. It made its
television debut in 1956.

What's on the menu? - The first
Thanksgiving dinner was held in
1621 in Plymouth, Massachusetts,
with the Pilgrims hosting the
native Wampanoag tribe, who had
taught the Indians how to tend the
land. The menu looks a lot
different than what we see on
today's Thanksgiving table.
Historians think that first meal
included lobster, rabbit, chicken,
fish, squashes, beans, chestnuts,
hickory nuts, onions, leeks, dried
fruits, maple syrup and honey,
radishes, cabbage, carrots, eggs,
and goat cheese.

Mary Had a Little Lamb tie to
Thanksgiving - Sarah Josepha Hale,
an American magazine editor, wrote
a series of editorials urging
Abraham Lincoln to declare
Thanksgiving a national holiday.
Her other claim to fame? She also
wrote the nursery rhyme, "Mary Had
a Little Lamb."

Oh Canada! - Thanksgiving is
celebrated the fourth Thursday in
November. Canada marks the day,
too, though its Thanksgiving is on
the second Monday in October.

Who are those 12 percent? -
According to the National Turkey
Federation, 88 percent of Americans
have turkey in Thanksgiving. The
other 12 percent? Now that's a good

Busy night at the bar -
Thanksgiving Eve is the largest
"bar night" of the year. More
people flock to their neighborhood
watering hole than any other time
of the year.

Green bean history - Other than
turkey and dressing, green bean
casserole is probably the most
iconic Thanksgiving food. The
casserole, which usually contains
green beans, cream of mushroom
soup, French fried onions, milk and
soy sauce, was invented in 1955 by
Dorcas Reilly at the Campbell Soup
Company. The original copy of the
recipe is now at the Inventors Hall
of Fame.

Gobble! Gobble! - Baby turkeys are
called poults. Only male turkeys
gobble and, therefore, are called

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 23:53:20 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Home again, home again.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 21:15:06 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Ah..a simple but good meal. Now
relaxing to football.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 19:13:19 2015 [Edit/Delete]
A the meal should be on the table

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Maverick says:
(Thu Nov 26 17:54:58 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 18:15:06 2015
Trivia Girl: Jesus wept.

Belated Birthday Happies to Rebecca Lynn

who is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #2

white wings, Agent Cooper: I once worked for a contractor who operated out of his enhanced garage but in an out of the way spot in the country. Because of a storm he lost electrical power to his neighborhood including his garage which also disabled his computer. The problem was that the year previously I had brought his payroll back from one of those payroll services (like Paychex) saving him $20,000 a year but, despite no electricity, he still needed to get a payroll out (he had a large job somewhat distant and was rumored to be having financial difficulties and couldn't afford to delay workers' checks.) Luckily he DID have a large generator, so we got it going and I wired up the main computer server terminal and the printer and, using our normal construction accounting software program, produced the payroll and the payroll checks. Luckily I didn't have to do anything on the Internet or phones which were also out in the area.

Birthday Happies to: -mere- and Psyche

An interesting side story to the story of the Pilgrims was that they originally had an agreement that ALL WOULD WORK the same plot of ground and ALL WOULD HAVE AN EQUAL SHARE in the output; well, they almost ALL starved because some would not put the same effort into the work and others would grow resentful and also withhold labor, etc.--it became a game as to who would make the least effort for the same share. William Bradford who was governor at the time wisely changed the economic plan to one that divided the land into equal parcels and allowed each family to produce as much as they saw fit and allowed each to sell or trade his excess. This produced a great increase in production and essentially saved the colony from perishing. Thus we had the first experiment in collective (Marxist) production in America which failed and was supplanted by a Capitalist system which succeeded because people were rewarded for their efforts.

Today is Thursday, November 26, 2015 A.D.

Happy Thanksgiving to All

Word of the Day: Proscribe (pro-SKRIBE)--To denounce or condemn; to prohibit, outlaw; to banish, exile. After much debate the State proscribed the death penalty. Often confused with "prescribe" which means the just the opposite. To "prescribe" is to recommend or lay down a rule to be followed.

Most of my snow has now evaporated which will allow me to pick up a few more leaves to put at the curb for tomorrow.


Let There Be Peace on Earth

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 26 14:55:28 2015 [Edit/Delete]
No trivia today! have a happy thanksgivign and I hope you all get stuffed!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Nov 26 14:00:45 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, November 26th 2015 C.E.
Happy Thanksgiving Day!

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
black magick, Fangs, Jennie, mere, Psyche, redhead/b]!

Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present. Dawn, 'Blood Ties'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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Comma says:
(Thu Nov 26 13:58:16 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!


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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 26 06:47:53 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Jaan Quidam!

Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

If the scoobies were to gather once a year, which occasion do you think they would choose?

The 20th of each May honoring those who fought in the Chosen Battle.

Good Night to All


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white wings says:
(Thu Nov 26 06:06:13 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Jaan Quidam

Happy Birthday Little Phud, Rebecca Lynn, Shelly, Xanderella's Daughter, and SoAyna!

Beldin - There's always something to forget, isn't there? I sympathize with your hatred of the touchpad.

Christopher Marlowe - Drive safely!

Agent Cooper - My mother used to boil the carcass, after the meat had been removed. I never got farther than thinking about it. I have to admit that leaving a lot of the meat on would be a way to save work and contribute to a soup, and not have dry breast meat to work on. One could have turkey and dumplings But getting a partially boned leg of lamb means that I don't have to worry about any of it. *g*

They don't cancel work for us when the network is down. They only do that if the air conditioning goes out. They don't mind paying us to be bored, but there's no point in risking heat strokes. Besides, managers can have them too. But since it is hard to code with no network to attach me to my mainframe, and I can log in from home, I have the option to flee as long as I actually DO some work.

The worst nightmare I can remember didn't happen to me directly. We were bringing up a new system, and had folks in from all over the state for a 5 day training. The power supply to the mainframe died on day 1, a replacement part was bussed in and lost somewhere in Dallas, so another part was sent and made it to us on day 5. Sure, the programmers were fretful. But the training folks were trying to keep a roomful of users who were alternately snickering and grumpy occupied with paper training materials. They were pretty wild-eyed by the end. They flinched whenever it was brought up for years. That was April of 1987. I'm not sure I can count back that far tonight. Not enough fingers. ;-)

Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a Good Night!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 05:02:08 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 05:02:40 2015
Beldin I am driving up to my
moms tomorrow and spending most of
the day there. I might check in on
a friend in a nursing home in the
way back home.

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Beldin says:
(Thu Nov 26 04:10:55 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 04:11:40 2015
Christopher Marlowe - Yes. I'm there now. And I forgot to put my cordless mouse in the bag so I am having to use the touchpad, which I can't stand using.

What are your Thanksgiving plans?

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 26 04:09:56 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

As an example of what? The British and the Americans seem to revisit Roman
history all the time in search of lessons, both of civil behavior,
government, and failure. Why did Rome decline?

Except where such failure or success can be tied to leadership - individual
and small group - then there's probably little to learn. Modern
civilizations are too far removed from an preindustrial agrarian empire for
there to be enough in common to matter. I also believe many would disagree
with this. *g*

At a more abstract level, archaeologist Joseph Tainter concluded societies
collapse when the people that matter no longer care enough to continue
working at keeping things going. There comes a point where a society can no
longer be kept going at reasonable cost. Then things fall apart.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 03:57:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Beldin Your mom's for

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Beldin says:
(Thu Nov 26 03:39:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Hiya, wolfguard.

Christopher Marlowe - And a scratched nose.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 03:23:03 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 03:25:16 2015
Beldin Darth has suffered from a fall from grace, hasn't he?


wolfguard One of the reasons I asked that question is that I wondered if
the Roman empire was used as an example to societies today.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 26 03:16:54 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Good Evening Beldin :)

Christopher Marlowe,

Why did the Western Roman Empire end? That's your question?

Before the Empire there was the Republic, which lasted around 500 years.
It ended in a civil war from which Octavius Caesar emerged the winner.
He became Augustus, the first emperor of the Roman Empire (though as I
remember, he did not call himself an emperor).

Practically all, if not all, ancient empires were based on pre-
industrial agrarian technologies. Ninety to ninety-five percent of the
people were peasants that worked the fields and orchards. Some of the
surplus of their harvests went to the Empire as tax (as did some forced
labor). The Empire redistributed the surplus as it needed to maintain a
small civil bureaucracy, build infrastructure - roads, towns,
waterworks, and upkeep and fight the Legions.

Consequently, land and people were wealth and wealth could be acquired
through force of arms. Rome discovered the right mix of soft and hard
power - carrots and sticks - to conquer and control most of what was to
be western Europe, the Balkans, North Africa and parts of the Near East.

However, the communication and transportation technologies of the times
made increasingly difficult to manage across the Empire's size. And the
peripheries of the Empire were always causing problems.

Different emperors tried different ways to organize the territory (this
was the primary reason behind there being an Eastern Roman Empire). In
the end, they were not successful. As Rome's abilities to use soft and
hard power diminished, folks broke or drifted away. Towns, hamlets,
manors became increasing independent - or came under another power's


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Beldin says:
(Thu Nov 26 02:45:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Here now.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 02:23:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 02:27:00 2015
wolfguard There is more than one?


Aha! Western and Eastern half. Western then.

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Comma says:
(Thu Nov 26 02:22:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I have been away from here for a while. The events in this world has dragged me back to the true reality that I have been a part of since 1971. There were several times, over my time as an adult, that I thought that I would not see the sun rise again. I am not ashamed to say that during those times, and on several other occasions, that I was very afraid. Scared to death would be a better way to put it. Somehow, with my training, and maybe because I am a stubborn mule when scare, in one way or another I always have made it out. Now I cannot control that which I fear.

From now on I have to really watch what I say. I would be very happy to stay out of a Federal lockup.

I spent almost of two years of my military career studying the earth's final Battle at Armageddon. Without going into the reasons why, nor stating what I did with the facts from those months of my personal education, there is one set of facts that I want to bring out. Fact 1: The forces against the dominate world leader are lead by a country that has had the Lion as it's country's symbol for a millennium. Fact 2: The country with the Eagle is not a major factor, if involved at all.

The country in Fact 1 is England. Fact 2: Where is the world's leader, since 1945,the country of the Eagle, the United States of America? The events of the last six years should answer that question.


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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 26 01:44:02 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Which half of the Empire?


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Maverick says:
(Thu Nov 26 01:33:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 10:25:25 2015
Today is Wednesday, November 25, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Sophistry (SOFF-is-tree): a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning. Used in a sentence: Obama's Straw Man statements (where he makes up and attributes false attitudes to his opponents) are examples of perfectly executed sophistry (give the Press an assist on this.)

I went to see "Spectre" today. Daniel Craig looked good and healthy and robust; when I saw "Skyfall" in the theater, on the other hand, he looked so worn out and haggard that I seriously wondered if he COULD make another Bond Film. This movie covers some prior territory but does not disappoint.


Walking On Broken Glass

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 26 00:59:50 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard How about the fall of the Roman empire?

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 26 00:00:20 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 26 00:08:00 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

I don't believe comparing these cases involve correlation or causation,
because they are much separated in time and space. Follows an example
one could ask, 'correlation or causation'...

As rents went up in Sunnydale, the number of people renting declined.

Is there a cause-and-effect situation here or might there be some other
factor(s) at work? (You keep hearing people saying, 'from beneath you it

These cases might prompt those interested in such developments to do
further research. What happened in each country between their Olympic
and the decline? (Perhaps how did each country arrive to where it was
to sponsor an Olympic) Also, what was the nature and history of their
region, or the international system?

ETA One problem for macro-social studies is there are usually not enough
cases to apply inferential statistics. Around 1980, I read a paper where
the political scientist had compared 16 cases of arm races between two
countries (as I remember, each case involved only two countries, but I
could be wrong). His finding was all of these arm races ended in either
a war or one of the countries going economically bankrupt.

But, while 16 cases is a great catch for social science, it is still a
small sample size for apply statistics. Consider how many potential
voters are asked their preference in polling surveys.

And yet, people take one historical case and believe its lessons can be
applied to all future events or cases that appear familiar ...

Another Munich!
Another Vietnam!
Another Great Depression!


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 23:38:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Interesting. Does correlation equal causation here?

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 22:07:13 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Of interest?

A 'Thomas J. Cassidy' wrote ...


Another historical general pattern to notice is that whenever a one-
party state hosts an Olympics, ten years later that state circles the
drain if it isn't already down it. To wit:

1936: Berlin Olympics/Garmisch-Partenkirchen Winter Olympics.
1946: Post-war Occupation.

1980: Moscow Olympics.
1990: Collapse of Communism.

1984: Sarajevo Winter Olympics.
1994: Yugoslav Civil War.

2008: Beijing Olympics.
2018: ?

Remember, you heard it here first.


The above was a comment to "an expat in Beijing' who had written a
unfavorable reader's review to Peter Navarro's The Coming China


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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 25 19:20:57 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Do you mean comedian as in specically stand up comedian?

That would be Jerry Seinfeld. He does a really great stand up act.

Comic actor? Probably Wil Ferrell.

How about yourself?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 19:06:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Who is your favorite comedian?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 25 18:03:50 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: I do not know the Trivia Answer. I am a Bronze loser. Not a the good kind of Bronze loser, as in L.O.S.E.Rs.

The other kind. :-(

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 25 17:57:18 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Whitewings: As far as turkey, my dad boils the carcass and other leftover parts to make broth, from which he makes the best homemade turkey soup EVER. We eat that for a few days after Thanksgiving.

As far as computers at work, I WISH they'd let us go home when the system goes down, but our business doesn't allow for that.

The last time we had a full blown network meltdown, the computers crashed in the morning and stayed down all day. We stayed at our desks, taking orders on the phone and wrote everything down on paper that we could, and then entered everything into the system when it came back up at the very end of the day. I stayed in the office till 9pm that night, and some folks were there till midnight.

THANKFULLY, that was something like 15 years ago, and nothing that serious or long term has happened since. *knocks on wood*

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Nov 25 17:54:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I believe I mentioned to you that I once made a reminder call to an older couple named Randy and
Well today I faxed something to a business called Incisive Surgical :-|.

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KAM says:
(Wed Nov 25 17:34:10 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Good Day Everyone,


Deadguy QOD
: None in relationships that last, and hopefully no children.

Ty King Fan

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OldManFan says:
(Wed Nov 25 16:01:22 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Bob Hope.


* who will be going offline shortly (until Friday) - Happy Thanksgiving

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Nov 25 15:53:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Bob Hope

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 25 15:47:23 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Funny stuff
Question: What comedian was known for the song 'Thanks for the Memory'?

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 25 14:34:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Hope everyone has a

Happy Thanksgiving


Yay! Jaan Quidam!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 25 14:24:02 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, November 25th 2015 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

Little Phud
Rebecca Lynn
Xanderella's Daughter

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
Little Phud, Rebecca Lynn, Shelly, Xanderella's Daughter, SoAyna!

Mal: You were dead! Tracy: Hunh? Oh. Right. Suppose I was. Hey there, Zoe. 'The Message

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 25 14:12:34 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay jaan quidam!

deadguy qod

I would think all of them are in relationships. Kids might be a different story. I would imagine Willow, Tara and Xander have children. I'm not sure about the others though.

Happy non-Angel Wednesday!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Nov 25 12:53:54 2015 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for jaan quidam!

yay jaan quidam!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale life - mom, dad, 2.3 children

it is more than 12 years since the great sunnydale smackdown, who is in a relationship and who has kids?

Happy non-Angel Wednesday!

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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 25 05:53:26 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Thank you Yay of the Day, KAM, wolfguard, Maverick, Christopher Marlowe, and lostinamerica!

Happy Birthday AngelStarr and Chiwawan!

Beldin - It looks like a hot time in the old kitchen on Thursday give or take the air conditioning. And then directly back to chill. We are going with roast beast again. My SIL wants game hens. My brother and I like dark meat. Their son rebels against game hens and wants to come in the small kitchen in the middle of final cooking with two women who are doing their darndest to equitably split the resources, and make himself a steak. Suicide. There are sharp knives out. *g* No one wants a turkey, because no one wants to deal with the carcass, and we OD'd on leftovers some years ago. So we're going with leg of lamb, which we don't get much anyway.

Agent Cooper - The most horrific days are when the network is down and they won't release us. After some hours, we finally get over the jitters and take to going through old papers for tossing and shredding. I suppose it's a good thing, but I hate it.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 04:28:02 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Thank you. I
forgot about one thing. Most of
what I was mentioning was either
professional or educational
experience. I should have also
included personal qualities. I'm
trying to think of individuals I
work with or have worked with who
have qualities I think would be
necessary for being President. I
think an even temperment is a
quality Iwould value quite a lot.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 04:17:39 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 25 04:18:12 2015
Christopher Marlowe,

Link failed. Will try later.


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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 03:42:55 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I can think of many successful people who do not hold a bachelor's
degree, much less a graduate degree. A year or so ago, Foreign
magazine conducted a survey both foreign policy professionals
and academics. Some of the findings ...

1. The most useful graduate area of study for foreign policy work was
'area studies', i.e. knowledge of the culture, society, politics,
history, economics and language(s) of a given country or region.

2. The only functional graduate training that ranked at or near the top
was economics.2

3. Professionals rarely ever used theories derived from any of the
social sciences (excepting perhaps economics).3 Only two
theories had wide use among professionals: (1) nuclear deterrence,
specifically that of mutually assured destruction (MAD)4 and
(2) ~~ Human Terrain Analysis5

4. When asked to list the most influential people in foreign policy, the
professionals and academics produce radically different list. I believe
the person at the top of the academics list has never been heard of by
most professionals. Academics rated Henry Kissinger relatively low,
professionals had him at or near the top of their lists.

Moving past the survey, I'll note one person who is very influential in
foreign policy - and to my knowledge he only holds a bachelor's in
English: Robert Kaplan. After getting his degree he moved overseas where
he wrote articles and a book or two on the politics and societies of the
countries or regions where he visited or lived. I believe his book,
Balkan Ghosts, was mentioned of by President Clinton (this while
the Yugoslava civil wars was ongoing). That got folks' attention. He's
gone to write numerous other works and has consulted, lectured, etc
across the academic and foreign policy sphere.

1 OTOH, twenty odd years ago, I recall business people saying
they didn't need people with graduate degrees in what's now called area
studies. ~We'll hire a translator.

2 Off that, around thirty years ago there was book, ~
International Jobs~, designed to help readers find a job or career
overseas. One or more of the chapters dealt with graduate study. The
author said, if you want a job overseas in accounting or finance or
marketing, etc. then get a degree in accounting, finance, marketing,

3 When I was in college, the traditional approach to studying
international relations was being challenged by the social science
approach. The social science approach developed hypotheses and models
which were then tested against evidence in attempts to discover
empirical laws of social behavior. The traditional approach believed
people and societies were too complicated to derive such laws; instead,
one had to spend years studying a country, region, or functional area
from which useful experience emerged.

4 I suspect most professionals carry these conceptual tools
in mind, because they were all exposed to it through school or foreign
policy work. I also suspect that academics who study and professionals
who work in the field of nuclear deterrence, war, disarmament, etc have
a more nuanced perception of the conceptual models.

5 This may not be the exact name of the theory and it maybe
less a theory that an approach to how one goes about understanding a
culture or society. This specific one either evolved or saw its first
large scale application in Iraq and Afghanistan.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 02:47:49 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Some actual
experience in an elected position
of government government at any

Masters or Phd in some aspect of
/economic policy. Some foreign
policy experience, be it in a
private/public sector.

I'm not sure business experience
should be a requirement, but some
direct understanding if it.

As so many resumes have it, a
combination of releveant
educational/work experience.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 02:21:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Setting aside congressional experience, what sort of things do you think
prepare a person for the presidency?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 01:48:10 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard "a poorly prepared
president with mediocre congressional

That could apply to a few folks as
well as JFK!

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Maverick says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:22:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Reminder: Okay, Friday, October 9th, 2015 A.D. (46 days ago) is when Obama said, "ISIS is not getting stronger. We have contained them." Does anyone remember when George Bush in an airplane landed on an Aircraft Carrier with the words "Mission Accomplished" on a giant sign on it? Bush has never heard the last of this, but Obama's boasting gaffe is already forgotten by the news media. Explain to me how that's fair.


Midnight Cowboy

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:16:17 2015 [Edit/Delete]

My impression is JFK would have been happy studying and writing on history.

The following excerpt is from Karl Helicher's review of Reeve's
President Kennedy in the Library Journal (c.1993).

"...He presents Kennedy as neither an amoral playboy nor the ruler of
Camelot but a poorly prepared president with mediocre congressional


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 25 00:07:30 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I am hereabouts!

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Maverick says:
(Tue Nov 24 22:58:29 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Roberta the Robot.

Today is Tuesday, November 24, 2015 A.D.

Word of the Day: Esoteric. Ess-o-TARE-ic. Anyone remember when valMichael used to list a word of the day? The words he featured each day were usually highly specialized, often scientific, esoteric words that had to be looked up and often were of very limited use. I'm going to try to list words that we might see in a book or hear in a conversation, words that would simply make us more literate on a daily basis.

Esoteric: Understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge, or interest. Another definition is "recondite" (WRECK-in-DITE) which means dealing with very profound, difficult, or abstruse subject matter. I also often use the word Arcane (Ar-CANE) as a variation of esoteric if I think the subject matter veers toward the secretive or mystical or supernatural.

Yay, White Wings, Yay!

5 Devastating Obamacare Facts Every American Should Know.


Theme from "Taxi Driver"

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 24 21:36:39 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the robot girlfriend Warren created?
Answer: April

Trivia Bots: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 24 21:32:18 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 21:32:40 2015
wolfguard Heh-heh-heh.

I've at times wondered what things would be like if young Joe had lived. I can see Jack marrying his Swedish divorcee and going into academics.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 19:39:22 2015 [Edit/Delete]


I read passage, I believe in Richard Reeve's President Kennedy, where after the election and during the transition he was acting morose (it's been said he really wasn't interested in the job, but pursued it to please his father after the eldest son/brother died). Joseph P., his father, picked up on it and told JFK, ~~ Look, if you really don't want to do it, I can have have Daley recount the votes.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 24 19:04:27 2015 [Edit/Delete]
I'm here now.

Network at whup was down all morning. And plus, you know, doing actual WHUP.

What a drag!


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 18:57:37 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Heh...slow morning. I guess everyone is busy with Thanksgiving preparations and travel!

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OldManFan says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:46:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - April... and Buffy.


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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:41:43 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:39:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the robot girlfriend Warren created?

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:21:41 2015 [Edit/Delete]
white wings wolfguard Agent Cooper I don't recall seeing this any one specific place but I've gotten the idea that it's settled historically that the only reason JFK carried Illinois was because of "Chicago style voting."

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 24 15:18:44 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay! white wings!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 14:43:00 2015 [Edit/Delete]
yay white wings!

deadguy qod

I think they would still gather at either Thanksgiving or Christmas. I doubt they would run into a situation like Pangs ever again.

Beldin Do you mean the focus of the show?

I think might we understand the motive of a villain to commit the acts he/she does, but if he/she doesn't recognize that his actions are still wrong, then I don't think much has changed.

if the scoobies were to gather once a year, which occasion do you think they would choose?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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KAM says:
(Tue Nov 24 14:20:20 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,


Deadguy QOD
: Halloween, nothing happens on Halloween.

Ty King Fan

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 24 12:58:15 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday November 24th 2015 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
AngelStarr, Chiwawan!

If the apocalypse comes, beep me. Buffy, 'Never Kill A Boy On The First Date'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Nov 24 12:43:05 2015 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for white wings

yay white wings!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

black friday - it has a whole different meaning in sunnydale

if the scoobies were to gather once a year, which occasion do you think they would choose?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 06:23:49 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Eighth episode of Jessica Jones and the big bad has sympathetic history. Does the focus change?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 04:18:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Beldin I see a lot of bing-
watching of Netflix in my future!

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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 03:37:36 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 03:38:12 2015
If anyone likes period piece mystery stories I recommend "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries." I came across it among the recommendations on Netflix and have watch about 5 of them now. It's set in 1920s Australia and I'm enjoying it a lot.

wolfguard - I'll look for some of the others.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:55:50 2015 [Edit/Delete]

I believe it was his first Swagger novel. Many writers tell beginning
writers not to plot a novel with the the intent of making it a trilogy or
serial, but to tell a great story. I believe Stephen Hunter had published
other novels before Point of Impact, but he may still have been
following that professional wisdom.


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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:05:31 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Me, neither.

wolfguard - It read like a one-off.

white wings - We have a warming trend coming, too. Chances of rain start Wed. at 20% and goes up each day to 70% on Sat.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 01:03:59 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I've read at least one book, a number of articles, and even perhaps a
documentary or two on the Mafia theory. Could be true, but I don't know
that it's the most "likely explanation".

The problem for me was so many of these theories came out when I was
young and of a contrarian nature. I was open to anything beyond the
conventional or official position. There's just no wonder or fascination
with learning the ghostly noises are unoiled door hinges. *g*

Now I would want to gather all the evidence, vet its sources, and lay it
out - like in those Hollywood movies - on a whiteboard or bulletin board
with colored strings and the like. But no time yet. *g* I do hope to one
day read what some say are the two best books arguing for and against a
conspiracy (Case Closed and Not In Your Lifetime).

In the Swagger novel the author, Stephen Hunter (?), has written a
memoir witin the novel. It's penned by the lead assassin. This person's
description of Dealy Plaza before, during, and after the assassination
is very good. So to the description of the feelings of the assassin(s).
Not what one might expect.

What's especially interesting to me, is Hunter steers clear of a large,
complex conspiracy, rather ...

SPOILER on The Third Bullet (numbers given, no names of

((there are only four people involved in the assassination, one
of them Oswald.

Ending, I feel compelled to point out that Occam's Razor does not say
the simplest explanation is most likely the true one. What it says is
one should begin with the simplest explanation or hypothesis and then
modify it based on the results of testing it against reality.


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white wings says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:39:13 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Yay aussiebulldog!

Happy Birthday Mia, Selenay, and Will!

wolfguard - Thanks!

Christopher Marlowe - Congratulations on the shopping. And good luck with your mother.

Agent Cooper - It's nice to see a story of race "riots" going the way yours did. That's an interesting conspiracy theory. I haven't generally paid attention to the JFK theories, but the one you have recounted makes sense. Since the family fortune came from rum running, there were undoubtedly contacts.

Maverick - I was afraid there was a good reason for all that work. I hate lawns. I have a bit of one now, but it's over the septic tank so I don't conspire against it. I let a lawn service deal with it and blow the leaves off. Here the main problems happen in the spring when the live oaks drop their leaves almost all at once.

Beldin - The weather up here is moderating now, and the clouds are increasing.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:38:12 2015 [Edit/Delete]

There looks to be around ten Swagger novels with The Third Bullet
possibly being the latest. I've not read any of the others.


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Beldin says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:10:38 2015 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO - Thanks for the url. Interesting to know it's not a new theory by any means.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 24 00:08:24 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 24 00:10:11 2015
Now here!


Beldin Laser hair growth? I've never heard of that before.

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Beldin says:
(Mon Nov 23 23:52:04 2015 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - There's another Bob Lee Swagger book out there? I read "Point of Impact" and liked it very much.

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Beldin says:
(Mon Nov 23 23:45:58 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 23 23:46:18 2015
Here now.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 23 22:20:54 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What song talks about a "crabalocker fishwife" in it's lyrics?
Answer: I am The Walrus

Trivia Beatle: OldManFan, AGent Cooper
Trivia Groupie: Agent Cooper

Yay AussieBullDog!

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Maverick says:
(Mon Nov 23 22:05:23 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 23 22:35:14 2015
DaddyCatALSO: You must mean "Me and Mrs. Jones" and not "Don't Give Up On Us, Baby." Yes, I can understand why a cleric would take umbrage at such a brazen song about an Affair. I've always thought it was hilarious, especially with the lisp of the singer. Also, the song itself is a perfect example of too much time on your hands AND idle hands do the Devil's work. On a personal note watch your step this icy, cold year. Don't take chances.

Clock Boy's Family Sues for $15 Million. Anybody who couldn't see that coming?

Obama Ready to Dump 2,224 New Regulations for Thanksgiving. This is why the Economy is all screwed up and cannot produce jobs (except part-time jobs.)


Incense & Peppermint

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Nov 23 21:34:42 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Basically what my best friend in college senior year felt. Also had plans to go itnot eh Air Force, not sure he did.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 23 20:36:34 2015 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I still believe Kennedy was killed for his brother going after the mob.

At the Kennedy's request, the mafia used their influence with the democratic political machine and unions to help JFK win the election, with the understanding that in return he would ease up federal law enforcement's pressure on the mob.

Instead, JFK double crossed them by appointing his brother AG, who continued to aggressively target the mafia.

So they had him killed, like they do with anybody else who double crosses them. Specifically by Oswald, their patsy. Organized crime does things this way routinely, and they're very good at it. Just never with so high profile a target before or since.

So as far as Oswald "acting alone", yeah I guess that's technically true. But the mob was pulling the strings for sure.

Yes, I know - that theory has never been proven definitively, but there's a lot of reasonable circumstantial evidence for this, and it's the most likely explanation.

Occam's razor and all that.

Interestingly enough, the conspiracy theory inside the conspiracy theory is that the Kennedy's never wanted that truth to come out, for obvious reasons. That being the case, I wouldn't doubt that the Kennedy family is behind at least half the crackpot conspiracy theories for the JFK assassination that are out there now. The more the better as far as they are concerned.


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