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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 25 01:23:35 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan, wolfguard, Agent
Cooper


I was thinking about Buffy's speech
to the Council to force them to tell
her about Glory. Or that pep talk to
the potentials about empowering them
through the scythe.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 25 01:18:18 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan,

Fictional speeches may affect readers or viewers, but usually do not affect society. Gary Wills begins his book, Lincoln at Gettysburg, assessing how fruitless the battle's outoome appeared. Lee's Army had been savaged, but Meade had failed to force Lee into a surrender. Tens of thousands dead and the war continued.

Wills went on to tell how Lincoln used the battle to redefine the purpose of the war and in a way that honored the soldiers of both sides. And, as Wills said, Lincoln did it with ~ 266 words.


I like the Patton speech and had read it was in whole or in part based on an actual speech. For some reason though, it never comes to mind when thinking of favorite speeches. Trivia note: I believe the speech was the final scene filmed, or at least the final scene of Scott's. He was concerned after giving it he'd not have much left to work with.


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Nov 25 00:36:57 2014 74.111.112.120) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - characters are
able to give speeches, therefore
all are real. If you were meaning
to differentiate between speeches
by real people v. fictional
characters, I don't see much of a
difference as both are almost
always written well ahead of time.

I would add Washington's Farewell
Address and Patton's address to the
Third Army (the one from the movie
is a "real" speech of Patton's,
although Patton had a high pitched
voice unlike George C. Scott).

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 25 00:28:47 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

A talk conveys information. For instance, today I will talk about how the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer became a television show. Speeches aim to persuade an audience. They often try to do so through tapping folks' emotions and bias.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 24 23:49:36 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
I Iz Home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 24 21:30:39 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Song
Question: According to the song, what was Frosty The Snowmans pipe made from?
Answer: Corn Cob

Trivia Frosties: valMichael, OldManFan

Agent Cooper - We seem to be getting a minor snow storm today that was not predicted by local forecasters.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 24 21:16:12 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I'm reading your response and trying to figure the exact difference between a "talk" and a "speech."

And in doing so I can't shake the image of Oz explaining the difference between a Gathering, a Shindig and Hootenanny.

:-)



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 24 20:09:37 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

I think of a speech as a prepared talk. I'm not drawn to those when their aim is to persuade, including Bill Clinton's. I do find some impromptu speeches interesting, and this is where Clinton shines.1


My favorite speeches, real and fictional.

- Shakespeare's Mark Antony's speech to the crowd.

- Shakespeare's Hal's St Crispin speech.

- Lincoln's two inaugural speeches and The Gettysburg Address.

- Buffy's Chosen speech. *g*


1 As I understand it, in the Wednesday questions for the Prime Minister (UK), the questions are provided in advance, so the PM as some opportunity to prepare his answers. I often listen or watch these. Last night I also watched the PM before a committee discussing the aftermath of the recent Scotland vote. It was more interesting. Cameron's presentation was more interesting. Anyway, there is essentially no one who I would be interested in hearing give a prepared speech, though there are many who I would listen to give a talk.




WG



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KAM says:
(Mon Nov 24 20:03:47 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Afternoon,

YAY HUMVEE

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 24 17:54:35 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: It is freakishly warm here today as well. And yet we may get a pretty good snow storm Wednesday night. Go figure.

Also,
http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/en-us/products/raid-wasp-and-hornet-killer-33

..Just Sayin' *whistle*

Wolfguard: Okay so I changed the rules? I'm allowed. Who WOULD you most like to hear a speech from? Besides Bill.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 24 17:38:13 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Yay HumVee!!


OldMAnFAn A Stoner Frosty would be something to see dude!



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Nov 24 17:03:36 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - I suspect he's more of a bong dude... but, it's a corn cob pipe.

OMF



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valMichael says:
(Mon Nov 24 15:53:07 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
[Happy Birthday: AngelStarr, and Chiewawu!

YAY HumVee!

Trivia Girl
A corn cob pipe.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 24 15:39:33 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Song
Question: According to the song, what was Frosty The Snowmans pipe made from?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Nov 24 14:20:24 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for humvee!

yay humvee!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Nov 24 14:16:57 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
I just read the Rolling Stone
article on sexual assaults on the
UVA campus and it made me sick--
what I want to know is, where did
these boys come from? Did their
parents never teach them to treat
people, women especially, as they
would want to be treated? The
same goes for the victims'
friends.

Also, I just finished Gone Girl--what a great, though very
disturbing, story!


wolfguard--LOL, great
quote, and so true :(


Maverick--I saw that SNL
skit, funny!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Nov 24 14:09:07 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, November 24th 2014 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!



AngelStarr
Chiwawau


Happy Birthday from the Bronze to AngelStarr, Chiewawu!



Angel: If I'm not back in a couple of hours Gunn: You're dead, we're screwed, end of the world.
'Inside Out'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 24 04:11:51 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
That was less than thrilling episode
of Walking Dead, the mid-season
finale better be action-packed.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 24 02:20:20 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Walking dead tonight!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 24 00:19:12 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Nov 24 00:59:59 2014
DaddyCatALSO,

I've written a bit over three dozen fics and have the word count, around 40,000+ words, less than novel length. I've done a word count of a few early BtVS scripts and 'remember' these ran around 5,500 to 8,000 words. So 40,000 odds words would equate to around 6 to 7 screenplays. Reading one now or looking back at the time, it seemed more. *g* I miss them. *sigh* Odd, if and when BtVS returns think I'd like to see new actors returning to their sophmore year at Sunnydale.

Should they tell the same stories? Same stories with different variations? Same arc or season Big Bad, but different stand-alones? Could you start the story with the end of Chosen or would that confuse new viewers? What of the continuation in the comics?

Controversial questions. Maybe why we have to appreciate what we had and look to new characters and verses. (ETA We'll always have Sunnydale. *g*)

WG BtVS stores (Note the major typo. If only I still had the software I used to create the page)



WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 23 20:07:17 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
R.I.P. Mike Nichols.


R.I.P. Marion (D.C. Crack Mayor) Barry.


SNL Updates Schoolhouse Rock's "Just a Bill"


Rejoice!! Lois Lerner's IRS E-mails Found. O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!. The cover-up and lies and pleading the fifth may finally be exposed. Anyone who knew anything about computer back-ups KNEW they were being lied to when they were told time and time again that her disk crashed and they had been destroyed. Notice how all embarrassing revelations happen Friday afternoons and then seem to get buried over the weekend (as the Mainstream Media is instructed not to mention it.) Seems like it was just last Friday that the Justice Department turned over a bunch of e-mails about Fast and Furious (per a Judge's order to Eric Holder to quit Stonewalling.)


Maverick


Let There Be Peace On Earth




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sun Nov 23 20:05:33 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Nov 23 20:05:52 2014
wolfguard. No idea whatsoever*g. And it's spread out over 12 years.



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The Birthday Gnome says:
(Sun Nov 23 19:58:06 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Mia, Selenay, and Will!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 23 18:58:56 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
I trust everyone had a good morning? I'm got some soup and sandwich for lunch right now.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Nov 23 13:41:01 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, November 23rd 2014 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Mia
Selenay
valMichael's Dad - R.I.P.
Will


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Mia, Selenay, Will!



Two by two, hands of blue. Two by two, hands of blue. River, 'Ariel'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 23 06:56:53 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Nov 23 07:02:37 2014
DaddyCatALSO,

28 stories, then? Got any idea of the total word count?


Christopher Marlowe,

1972 was a very long time ago for Mr. Dean. *g*

The excerpts were from Fic edited by Anne Jamison. She wrote a lot of the material in the book. A few of the essays did not give authors, so I assume she wrote those. I've only played in the Buffyverse garden of fanfic. While I've been aware of the very large number of fanfic verses and stories, I didn't feel the depth till reading Jamison.





WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 23 00:17:24 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Nov 22 20:27:16 2014 204.186.244.234) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard It's a question of having time to respond.
I'll go by category:

6 Harmony-centric.(Plus oen featuring harmony' mother and Willow, which I'll never recreate sicne it conflicts with the Cookie Dough Speech."

7 Willow-Tara centered (3 sexually explicit) plus a contest fic I modified for posting at the Kitten. I'm slowly omnibussing these with new material into "Snapshots: a Love Story.")One chapter of that, featuring Glenwood Maclay was originally written as a separate story but never posted.

Two set in 2026 written in 2002.

2 posted World Beyond the Wall fics, plus 2 others roughed out in lost notebooks.
1 Ice Age Buffy story.
9 others set vaguely the same continuity with the 2026 stories that have been posted at leats briefly (incluidign oen emlaield only to you) and acouple toehrs which I actually finished and lsot beofr epsoting, and which I'd want to revise nayway.

I'm excluding unfinished dhtings



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valMichael says:
(Sat Nov 22 16:13:18 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: ABPOSITIVE, clover, Dr. Mr. OzLady, KC, LoisLane,262, RyianaT, Suzanne, The Host, and tmc159!

ChristopherMarlowe
Of course QED is in your local library. :) I would be surprised if it wasn't, unless it's a really small library. I'm lucky. Baytown has an excellent and very well stocked library for a city of about 70,000. Of course, The University of Houston, Rice University and the Houston Public library have much larger collections.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 15:49:52 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 15:53:24 2014
valMichael it's actually very nice out there right now, so much so that I fear the return of the wasps. Eek!

ETA

That QED book is at the local library!

wolfguard I'm watching the Miami Book Festival on C-span and one of the speakers is John Dean, talking about The Nixon Defense: What He Knew and When He knew it.


Dean was the White House Counsel at the time and I found it a bit odd to hear a guy actually involved in Watergate talk like he was removed from it.



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valMichael says:
(Sat Nov 22 14:58:24 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 15:12:16 2014
ChristopherMarlowe Good Morning! Hope it isn't too cold way up there. Right now, it's 63°F and partly cloudy, but we have severe winds, tornadoes and torrential rains in the forecast starting around 3 pm today. :)

Maverick Thanks for the link on the galactic black hole alignment. I hadn't see that yet. It's quite intriguing, it's it. BTW, I've seen all the Feynman links you posted.

Agent Cooper I highly recommend "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter" by Richard Feynman. It's a non-technical description of quantum mechanics that's is easily understood by just about anyone with some effort. Almost no math, great pictures of what he's talking about and clear and lucid explanations of what happens when light interacts with matter and how it came to be. But you must think when you read it, because it's an accurate description of QED, but you will probably enjoy it.

ChristopherMarlowe I loved your list of questions and comments. I especially like the following:

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. *weg*



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Nov 22 14:49:10 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, November 22nd 2014 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!



ABPOSITVE
clover
Dr. Mr. OzLady
KC
LoisLane262
RyianaT
Suzanne
The Host
tmc


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
ABPOSITIVE, clover, Dr. Mr. OzLady, KC, LoisLane,262, RyianaT, Suzanne, The Host, tmc159!



Mal: You know, you ain't quite right. River: It's the popular theory.'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 14:39:55 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 06:07:13 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 06:12:28 2014
wolfguard I very much like the excerpts you posted. I presume that is a essay collection?

ETA


Found it!



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white wings says:
(Sat Nov 22 05:19:06 2014 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay DaddyCatALSO!

Happy Birthday Buttercup, Callista, Jade, James, Joseph Arthur, JoJo, and little wiggins!

wolfguard - Thank you very much for the wishes and the sentiment. ( Just for the duration of the occasion I suspended belief in the usual caveats. *g*)



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 04:57:56 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 04:11:13 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"...But mostly? Mostly it was the fic that kept me writing, from the sheer joy of creating stories in a world that I loved to inhabit. I also loved the challenge of working in a world that had clearly defined rules and characters. Unlike most fanfic writers, I didn't want to write outside the lines; the highest compliment I could be offered was when readers confused one of my stories for an actual episode of the show..."

- Rachel Caine, "Preying for More", Fic, p.295


WG



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1cham says:
(Sat Nov 22 04:03:47 2014 110.149.129.114) [Edit/Delete]
Just read this review about the biography of Joss called "Joss Whedon: Geek King of the Universe". Sooo who here is the author? :-)



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 04:03:34 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"...Literary stakes, though, aren't the only stakes I care about. I care about opportunities for writers - opportunities of all kinds for writers of all kinds. Fanfic is proportionately written by women, queers, and others who are underrepresented in or excluded from economies of financial and cultural capital. Fanfic can be empowering for these excluded and marginalized groups: they find a voice, they use the voice they have, they reach others. For many readers and writers, this is enough, this is more than enough, and I don't want to see that nonfinancial opportunity and reward threatened by the intervention of the same comercial culture that marginalized them in the first place.

But. For many of these fandom writers the mass media universe isn't the only economy in which they are marginalized or excluded ... If a writer, with the help and support of a community, manages to do that incredibly unusual thing - come up with a story that connects with tens or evens hundreds of thousands of readers - and then can legally profit from it ... I do not believe that writer - or any writer - should be shamed from pursuing that opportunity ... Many are struggling, unemployed or underemployed. It is not reasonable (nor tenable) to demand that all writers who have written fanfic put fanfiction above their own economic interests...
"

From Fic, edited by Anne Jamison, p.282



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 03:48:33 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've been reading and hearing that the many media chanels have created a huge demand for content providers, i.e. creators. We've got all these picture frames and little to put into them. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 03:42:43 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard The few times I
listen to radio, I always have it on
South Dakota Public Radio, which
features a lot of NPR content.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 03:24:56 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 03:31:41 2014
"Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing whatis right in the faceof adversity.
Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.
- Stephen King

*g*


ETA Christopher Marlowe,

I listened to C-SPAN frequently, but do not use a schedule. I'm flipping throughj channels on the car radio: POTUS, NPR, SXM, C-SPAN, Bloomberg, BBC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 03:19:46 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Do you catch
anything on C-span? I often check
what they've got going during their
Book Tv weekends.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 02:10:48 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That shows how attentive I am tonight. *g* I posed that same question on facebook, but I don't have many UK friends, so I don't expect too many answers.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 02:08:18 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 02:09:08 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

ASDA and Waitrose are both supermarket chains in the UK and both have brick-and-mortar stores - unless, perhaps, one just reads the top of the results page. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 22 00:16:43 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 22 01:27:25 2014
Home! Happy that the work week is over.

ETA

wolfguard I had to google to understand what you question was referring to. I've never done the online grocery shopping, so I'm not familiar with either.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 22 00:06:26 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
ASDA or Waitrose?


WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 21 22:35:12 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: I once took a talking book out of the library called "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman," and someone read it to me. No, it had nothing to do with anyone named Shirley. But, as I already linked to valMichael here are some Feynman lecture videos. I think there are also some audio lectures recorded and online.


abt: Search Results for CFS/ME


valMichael: Black Holes Aligned over Vast Distances?


Christopher Marlowe: "Darwin's Dilemma" discussed. It represents another big hole in the Hypothesis of Evolution.


Maverick


Relax




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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 21 21:36:31 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit


Category: Wheeeee!!!
Question: What do you do on Leaps the Dips?
Answer; ride it (roller coaster)

Trivia Thrill seekers; OldManFan
Trivia The Thrill is Gone: valMichael, MAverick



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 21 21:18:49 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday little wiggins!



Yay! DaddyCatALSO!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 21 19:38:12 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 21 19:43:48 2014
Drive-By


Agent Cooper,

"Forced to" gets a different answer than go out of my way to hear. *g* I've never been forced to listen to Bill Clinton.


Shan,

Interesting quote on "The First". Perhaps it shows why so many people are unable to see evil in their presence. "The First" comes closer to how evil works in real life than any other Big Bad in the BtVS canon. That said, BtVS had many little bads in its run, e.g. Ted, The Pack, etc.



~100 year old woman sees ocean for the first time (BBC)


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 21 19:21:51 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: It can be someone you want to listen to. Anybody you want. Who then?

ValMichael: I remember reading one of his books, but it was long ago and I can't remember which. Have you ever read anything by Leon Lederman? I read his God Particle book. I'm not smart enough to speak to the science in it, but his writing style is pretty interesting and he's one of those smart people than can convey complex ideas in a simple fashion.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 21 18:27:43 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: You're in the middle of the "Twelve Days of Christmas" with the Lords a Leapin' flying over the French Onion and Guacamole Chip Dips.


valMichael: Have you seen these?


ShadowQuest: Again, I hope you can use a Sewing Machine. You DO have Portfolio exhibits AND "awards" to flog (or is it flaunt?) If you WOULD like to get into that field, perhaps you could contact a local theater group and offer your services in producing costumes. You might have to work for free to gain experience. I would not wait for your next life; perhaps you don't get another life unless you show initiative in this one. You have a passion for this sort of thing or you would not spend so much time at it. See if you can communicate that passion on to someone in the business. Yes, communicate with the lady who runs the Site and get some leads to contact.


I would have loved to have attended a speech by Margaret Thatcher in her prime.


Maverick


The Way It Should Be




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 21 17:33:21 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper If I were forced to listen to a speech (presuming someone I don't like) I would pick either Ron or Rand Paul.



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valMichael says:
(Fri Nov 21 17:30:16 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Buttercup, Callista, Jade, James, Joseph Arthur, JoJo, and little wiggins!

YAY DaddyCatALSO!

Trivia Girl
you'd be riding a motorcycle running a race in motocross.

Agent Cooper: I would love to have attended Richard Feinman's physics lectures at Cal Tech. I would like to hear a talk given by Donald Knuth(computer science, mathematics), or have heard David Hilbert's talk in 1900 on the 23 unsolved problems in mathematics.



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Nov 21 15:46:34 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - ride the world's oldest wooden roller coaster (Altoona, Pa.).

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 21 15:37:56 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit


Category: Wheeeee!!!
Question: What do you do on Leaps the Dips?



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KAM says:
(Fri Nov 21 15:20:22 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY DADDYCATALSO

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 21 15:08:41 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Shadowquest: Everybody has to start somewhere, and you're good at that creative stuff.

I should mail you some of my mini's to paint for me. ;-)


Wolfguard: If you were forced to listen to one person give a speech, who would you pick? Aside from Bill.

Chris Marlowe: Same question.

Lostinamerica: I know, I know. I'm really DUMB. Go ahead, rub it in! :-)

Oh well. I'll wait awhile till the coast is clear and then skulk back into LinkedIn with a new account name-- One that's marked ANNONYMOUS this time.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Nov 21 15:04:12 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for daddycatalso!

yay daddycatalso!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 21 14:07:42 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, November 21st 2014 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!



Buttercup
Callista
Jade
James
Joseph Arthur (SweePer & FASTEDDIE's son)
JoJo
little wiggins


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Buttercup, Callista, Jade, James, Joseph Arthur, JoJo, little wiggins!



A ghost? What's the deal? Is every frat on this campus haunted? And if so, why do people keep coming to these parties, cause it's not the snacks. Xander, 'Where The Wild Things Are'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 21 13:59:58 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
TJIF!



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Shan says:
(Fri Nov 21 10:13:57 2014 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 21 10:16:43 2014
Perfect summation of The First that
I nicked off the AV Club comments.

"...and in S7 they went back to
epic Big Bad but a Big Bad so Big
they could never actually show them
being Bad."

AV Club



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 21 07:36:06 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Yay IMMORTAL!


Happy Birthday Irene Adler!!


Happy Birthday White Wings!!


B/A 4Ever!


With my usual caveats. *g*




Good Night to All

WG



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ShadowQuest says:
(Fri Nov 21 06:50:21 2014 74.44.175.9) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Maverick Thanks for the suggestion, but...1) You need an education in costume design, B) It's not an easy field to get into and III) It's more than just pulling stuff out of your closet, or buying from Goodwill, and putting it together.

Here's one article about what it takes to get into costume design, and what you actually do.

This contest is just a fun thing I've done for a couple years. I fiddle around with making props and reworking articles of clothing to get the look I want, but I only have rudimentary sewing skills and zero pattern-adapting knowledge. (I can't take a pattern for a size large and reduce it to a medium, or vice versa.)

On top of all that, I'm too old and too poor to try pursuing a career in costuming. Maybe in my next life I'll do things right the first time.

ETA: The woman who runs the site is a costumer; I can ask her advice, but I'm sure she'll tell me the same thing any of the articles do.

Zoom, zoom



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white wings says:
(Fri Nov 21 05:15:26 2014 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday AmyC, chainsaw man, Freaking Amazing Witch, Irene Adler, lady Jen, and Nightspirit!

Yay IMMORTAL!

Birthday Gnomette, valMichael, lostinamerica, Mrs.Beasley - Thank you for the birthday wishes.

Mrs.Beasley - It was a good day. There was a bit of rain - that counts for something in a drought. *g* I'll combine birthday and Thanksgiving next week for celebrations. I'd like to have the coming year be fun and not too "interesting". ;-)

*waves to all*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 21 04:22:48 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely. Just not politicians. They bore me, because they are either playing to an audience or having to shape a message to minimize mistakes. Wait, Bill Clinton is interesting to listen to when he is speaking off-the-cuff. He is a master speaker. None like him. And I did not vote for him. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 21 03:59:55 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Is there any notable
person you would listen to on tv?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 21 03:06:55 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I did not. I have never been much interested in listening to any president talk on television. *g*

WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 21 01:55:04 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper and others: Memories of Buffalo and surviving snow storms, etc. I spent two years plus in Buffalo December 1969 thru early 1972, basically two full winters plus a bit. My car for most of that time was a little, light Opel GT, that was like a little Corvette. Light, though, was the operative word. It was easy to push but on the other hand it easily slid on ice, etc. Two special things I remember about those winters: 1). If I had to park on the street at night, I got plowed in and had to dig out in the morning before I could leave for work, and 2). I lived in Kenmore, NY (between Buffalo and Tonawanda) and the main streets heading into Buffalo were Delaware Avenue and Elmwood Avenue. Coming off a side street to Elmwood or Delaware in the winter, you often met a wall of ice, where the plow had just gone by and thrown up melted snow which immediately froze again in an upright position, so you sometimes had to punch through this wall to get onto the main drag. I had those flip out headlights which I retracted when I rammed through the wall of ice. Buffalo was really no horrible snow experience for me as I was raised in western Pennsylvania where it snows muchly and one frequently has to traverse rolling hills in the winter. Sometimes there's no way to stop once you start down one of those hills. Oh, yeah, another thing I remember is that two years after I had transferred to Sacramento, CA, Buffalo had a horrible snowstorm like those currently being encountered. I don't think I am mistaken but I seem to recall an event that took place while I lived there that seemed to provoke even worse snow experiences after I moved out of the area. The water that flowed in the Buffalo River (which in many places separated the U.S. from Canada) eventually went over Niagara Falls but before so, some of it had to go through the Robert Moses Power Project and through intake structures and past turbines where it turned generators and made electricity. The water entering this electricity-generating plant often had ice in it and the ice would frequently damage the inside of the structures, so, when I was still there, I remember they build some kind of ice bridge to stop the ice itself from flowing freely and the collected ice would accumulate and produce more and more snow as the wind swirled in that area. I am somewhat convinced that winters HAVE been much worse snow-wise since they stopped that ice from moving freely.


Christopher Marlowe: That probe DID report organic molecules on the comet, so the "facts" of evolution may need to be adjusted to allow for a different possible source for certain of the building blocks of life.


Bizarre story about Tamiflu


valMichael: Two new subatomic particles discovered. I know you're keeping a list, haha.


A better Spiderman costume


Maverick


Christmas Is Coming




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 21 01:54:48 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Did you catch the
President's announcement on
immigration?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 21 01:42:22 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Hereabouts


WG



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Mrs.Beasley says:
(Fri Nov 21 01:26:05 2014 76.188.243.77) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday, white wings
I hope you have had a grand day and that the coming year is filled with fun adventures.



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 21 01:25:23 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Really,
LinkedIn works that way? I
thought the Internet was supposed
to be anonymous ;)

*goes back to Googling people from her past ;)*


Happy Birthday white wings!



Happy Birthday Irene Adler!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 21 00:04:19 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Home and aroundabouts.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Nov 20 23:41:48 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Hip Hop Sing (the gangsta cook on "Bonanza")


ShadowQuest: Interesting! Congratulations! Well, that's a practical skill. And you can put together an Art Portfolio. Contact Jane Espenson or Mere Smith to see if they would put you in touch with someone in their costume department (for a job.) I'm assuming you can used a sewing machine. Jane Espenson who is connected to "Once Upon a Time" COULD be especially helpful. BTW, here is Robin Weigert as Calamity Jane in "Deadwood" (my personal favorite) but I also loved Doris Day in the role.


Christopher Marlowe: Yes, I had heard that the Republicans were proposing an alternative to Obamacare, but Obama has already threatened to veto it. According to him, it simply does not contain enough LIES, like you can keep your disease, and so he, in the spirit of bipartisanship, put them in touch with a guy names Gruber who, he promised, could be very discreet about pulling the wool over the People's eyes and mocking the stupid electorate. You know the old, original healthcare system was the best in the world at the time; the only "problem" was pre-existing conditions which could have been solved with a specific fix. Obamacare is just a BIG GOVERNMENT program intended to concentrate power (1/6th of the GNP) in a few power-hungry Marxists. Obama said the Healthcare System was broken just like he is now saying the Immigration System is broken. The funny thing about these systems is that they all seem broken if he refuses, contrary to his oath of office, to enforces the laws. All I can tell you is that Obama has heretofore illegally prevented most of Obamacare to be implemented (around 80%--the employER mandate--is still to come) and you will regret it, as all the lies unravel, in time.


Maverick


Midnight Cowboy




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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 20 21:33:47 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Tradition
Quesiton: Who wrote the New Year's song, Auld Lang Syne?
Answer: Robert Burns

Trivia Masters; OldManFan, valMichael
Trivia Newbies: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 21:01:17 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper There were a lot more like that, I just took the first 10 listed. The internet is great sometimes! *g*



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Nov 20 17:51:25 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - someone with really bad spelling... Robert Burns.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Nov 20 17:34:51 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Bing Crosby. Or at least he should have.



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valMichael says:
(Thu Nov 20 15:48:48 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: AmyC, chainsaw man, Freaking Amazing Witch, Irene Adler, lady Jen, Nightspirit, and white wings!

Trivia Girl
Robert Burns



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 20 15:35:46 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Tradition
Quesiton: Who wrote the New Year's song, Auld Lang Syne?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Nov 20 14:06:26 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Love that! My fav is the self help book one. Heh!


LINKED IN: I had a very odd adventure with Linked In yesterday, and I learned a lesson. I have an account but I don't use linked in for what it's for. I don't "Network" with it. I use it for my job to find people at companies for the sales staff here to call.

Anyhow, I was poking around yesterday looking for old aquaintances and decided, why I have no idea, curiosity I guess, to look up this kid I HATED back in school. Very bad things happened between us, bad blood- and it's in ugly memory for me even today. Anyway, there he was! I checked his profile, saw what he looks like today. And only after closing out realized THAT UNLESS YOU SET YOUR ACCOUNT TO ANNONYMOUS PEOPLE YOU LOOK UP CAN SEE ALL YOUR INFO TOO!

I quickly deleted my account in a cold sweat, I can tell you. Even years later this is nobody I want to have anything to do with.

What was odd was the feeling this person instilled after all these years. That's what surprised me.

Anyway, lesson learned!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Nov 20 13:58:48 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, November 20th 2014 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!



AmyC
chainsaw man
Freaking_Amazing_Witch
Irene Adler
Lady Jen
Nightspirit
whitewings


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
AmyC, chainsaw man, Freaking Amazing Witch, Irene Adler, lady Jen, Nightspirit, white wings!



Big stop just to renew your license to companion. Can I use companion as a verb? Wash, 'Ariel'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 13:52:48 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
yay immortal!

[valMichael I was lucky enough once to visit the Magic Castle, and saw several magicians there. The one that impressed me the most was the close-up magician. I couldn't believe how good he was



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KAM says:
(Thu Nov 20 13:51:28 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY IMMORTAL

KAM
Ty King Fan



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valMichael says:
(Thu Nov 20 13:39:19 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe I love the close-up slight-of-hand magicians. Their ability to completely fool the eye is amazing.

YAY IMMORTAL!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Nov 20 12:52:35 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Oh, and Yay! IMMORTAL!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Nov 20 12:46:14 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe,
DaddyCatALSO
--LOL!


Comma--Oh, and congrats--I
see Alabama is back in the No. 1
spot!

I don't know why the AP still has
Florida State as No. 1--this
come-from-behind winning against
unranked teams doesn't look so
good to me ;)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Nov 20 12:39:31 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for immortal!

yay immortal!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Shan says:
(Thu Nov 20 07:13:30 2014 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 20 07:16:37 2014
Well, Angel wasn't representing your typical LA so much as the particularly
hidden underbelly that the average citizen didn't see ... well until the
events from a few seconds after the closing scene of Not Fade Away.

As for Sunnydale, I'm guessing not your typical Californian town based on the
available evidence.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 20 04:57:04 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Seniorslayer!

Belated Yay Octoquad!




Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Did BtVS and AtS represent southern California as well as Seinfeld or How I Met Your Mother represent New York?

I never saw the two series set in NYC, so don't know how well they represented the city. I don't believe AtS well represented LA. I've never been to Santa Barbara, said to be the model for Sunnydale, so cannot speak to it.


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Assuming they're not all living at slayer central, how often do the scoobies still get together?

Several times a month, though usually not all of them at one place. They always all get together in late May. *g*


Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 20 02:42:17 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

I answered your question the other day on your stories. How many are completed?

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:59:50 2014 72.94.222.165) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Yes. Triply so if he's married.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:43:58 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

If a man is standing in the middle
of the forest speaking and there is
no woman to hear him, is he still
wrong?


LOL

WG



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Comma says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:39:11 2014 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
Two events happen in to the 101st Airborne in 1976. First troops and vehicles where sent from Fort Campbell to remove snow in Buffalo, NY. The second was REFORGER that proved that the Air Assault concept, at the Division level, worked. (Like the war in Vietnam didn't already give us that proof.) In Buffalo trucks were loaded with snow and the snow was dumped in the frozen rivers, outside the city, or in empty spaces within the city. I wonder if history may repeat itself this year. I can remember snow drifts over twenty-five feet tall.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:25:14 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I don't think I've
seen a live magic act in a couple of
years at least!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:19:48 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Dont sweat the petty things and
dont pet the sweaty things.

Atheism is a non-prophet
organization.

If man evolved from monkeys and
apes, why do we still have monkeys
and apes?

The main reason Santa is so jolly
is because he knows where all the
bad girls live.

I went to a bookstore and asked the
saleswoman where the self-help
section was and she said if she
told me, it would defeat the
purpose.

7. Could it be that all those
trick-or-treaters wearing sheets
arent going as ghosts but as
mattresses?

If a mute swears, does his mother
wash his hands with soap?

If a man is standing in the middle
of the forest speaking and there is
no woman to hear him, is he still
wrong?

If someone with multiple
personalities threatens to kill
himself, is it considered a hostage
situation?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:17:58 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Wanna-be illusionists use smoke and mirrors. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 01:13:41 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
MAverick Did you see that GOP
health care plan that they want to
replace Obamacare with?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 20 00:57:25 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Anyone else around at the moment?

I just saw a commercial for an
'Authentic Illusionist', and I'm
wondering what exactly that means.
There were fake ones before?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 23:49:37 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 19 21:48:26 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What instrument did Lindsey play?
Answer: Guitar

Trivia Guitar Master: OldMAnFAn and valMichael!



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valMichael says:
(Wed Nov 19 20:14:40 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 19 20:33:55 2014
Happy Birthday: appllo, BornJudy, Corpelia, Dru, LadyJack, and Little Miss Naughty!

YAY seniorslayer!

Trivia Girl
Acoustic Guitar

deadguy QOD No, especially if we look at the ethnic population1 of California. Today CA is 40% non-hispanic white, 37.6% hispanic, 13% Asian, 6.2% black, and the rest is American Indian, and other ethnic groups. Both shows were not ethnically diverse at all, even with Gunn.

1 according to 2010 US census.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 19 20:11:40 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


Agent Cooper & Christopher Marlowe,


Doomsday Clock (Wikipedia)

Includes a timeline of changes in the tick-tick-tick-tick ...


WG



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ShadowQuest says:
(Wed Nov 19 19:24:41 2014 74.44.175.9) [Edit/Delete]
Frozen zoom through

This is getting ridiculous. Someone want to check Mother Nature's Prozac, please? She must be off again.

lostinamerica Yeah, there were some really cool costumes again this year.

I just wish more people would pay attention to their background, and submit good, clear, in-focus pictures of their costumes. Maybe that Joan Jett was a good one, but the pictures were blurry. Artemis had other people in the background.

I did get a kick out of the Evil Queen letting Vader kiss her hand.

As for the brandy...there was some in my glass, and it was rather nippy during the photo shoot.

Agent Cooper Yes, I did. Second year in a row.

I really like this contest. The site is fantastic to begin with, and it's great to see all the creative costumes people come up with. The woman who did Eleanor of Aquitaine this year was Baba Yaga last year (and won); she was 82 and it was the first time she'd ever dressed up for Halloween. Apparently she had so much fun she wanted to do it again this year. And Puabi of Ur was Zenobia last year.

I had planned on doing Isolde and Bast this year; I was already working on the dress for Isolde, and did a quick Ionic chiton for Bast (Sewed two pieces of fabric together up the long sides, and across the top, leaving openings for my head & arms) and a sash from some gold lame. But, because I'm me, I had a rather involved idea for the headpiece (made from tawny rabbit fur to resemble the sand cat Bast is often associated with) and didn't get it done. So....she's for next year.

Calamity Jane wasn't even on my radar until the costume suggestion was posted, and I realized I had everything I needed. I lucked into the leather pants @Goodwill for five bucks, and it was Mom's idea to go down to Dad's cabin in the backwoods for the photo shoot.

Now if I can just find that casting director...

Zoom, zoom



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 19 18:30:35 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica: No, that snow hit Northwest of where I am. But it was close. And it's plenty cold still.

Further west of me is where the lake effect snow from the great lakes frequently blows inland. From about Rochester to Buffalo, those guys can get buried in winter.

Don't worry though, we get plenty of snow of our own here. When the Nor'Easters blow in from the coast we get slammed. :-)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 19 18:01:41 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Shadowquest: HEY, you won! Congrats and nice job!

Wolfguard: Yeah, going back and rereading your posts I see that I should have seen that you weren't really going with the either or stand. Didn't know that about Matthew, that's interesting. Going to google that!

KAM: Yes, pure science is tremendous boon to humanity, obviously. But I would agree that it's frequently been poisoned by politics of late.

Wolfguard/Christopher Marlowe: There's something called a "Doomsday Clock" that this group of scientists maintain, it's supposed calculate how close we are to a nuclear holocaust. I remember hearing alot about it during the Cold War. Depending on how close we are to destruction, the clock moves closer to midnight. I don't really understand how they factor everything in to get their "time" though.



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Nov 19 18:00:58 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - yes, preparations are being made. It will be interesting to see if we exceed last year's total of 750 meals.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 17:39:46 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan Are you going to be doing the charity Thanksgiving dinner this year?



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KAM says:
(Wed Nov 19 17:27:41 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 19 17:34:28 2014
Hello again,

Agent Cooper: I've been thinking about science actively in the last few days based on what you've said here.
I mentioned Scientism, and if you're interested I encourage you to read about that, because I think that pop culture has sort of wandered into scientism...despite the fact that most people have probably not ever heard this term.

I think this may be the core issue that I see playing out in many places. Scientism and Science are VERY different things, but I think even some actual scientists have sort of drifted into this.

I discovered something a while back--and that was that when I heard the term "science" in the news or pop culture or wherever really, my reaction was growing disdainful. This is OPPOSITE of what my actual view is. I am an engineer, and fan of science--its of fairly great interest to me, and has been since I was a child.
So, why was I having this reaction when "science" was mentioned.

I realized that "science" was being attached to politics very often, or to some petty anti-religious blathering, or some half-baked philosophy. I think that I was identifying the "What" correctly, but not properly separating the (incorrect) label that people were attaching to these things--most of which had very little to do with science.

I started realizing how pervasive this has become. If you go to any internet sight--comments on a news article or a youtube comment on any topic remotely related to science, or religion you have a good chance of finding someone espousing their "brilliance" about science, and usually attacking people with some religious belief.
The majority of these people are likely to be half-educated scientism advocates, or pop-scientismists (not sure that is a word). To call their comments petty idiocy is being too kind. I don't recommend wasting any time engaging people such as this.

I am going on about this, because I think it is a very important distinction that our society needs to make. Ignorant Scientism, Pop Scientism--whatever it should be labled as, is NOT science, and has very little to do with science. I have low regard for Scientism period, but this petty version of it is not a good thing. I find it inherently dishonest and/or totally based in ignorance.

Now, to try and wrap up--back to the beginning. SCIENTISM is essentially a new age philosophy (although its origins are likely the late 1800s) which has been fallen into by various pop movements. I think this is a very large mover in the perceived (and largely false) "war" between religion and science. In actuality there is a war between scientism and young earth creationist style religious believers.

I think projecting the "war" of these people on actual science, and other religious faiths is a massive disservice to both. Peddlers of this nonsense need to be opposed (intellectually) in my view, because I think that it is preventing people from properly understanding and appreciating both Science and Faith. I would love to see thinking people reject the nonsense that comes along with that "war."

So much of the "conventional wisdom" that people are taught--likely more today than when I was a child, is nearly completely wrong.
The Flat Earth Myth that I referred to a while back was actively taught to people--myself included. This myth of Science emerging despite and triumphing over Religious oppression is also largely false. Yet, I bet this is "conventional wisdom" to people, and it is being actively pushed by people, either intentionally or by ignorance.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Nov 19 16:06:57 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - guitar.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 15:26:55 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What instrument did Lindsey play?



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KAM says:
(Wed Nov 19 14:23:22 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY SENIORSLAYER

Deadguy QOD
: I am not sure, as I'm not a resident of CA.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 19 13:51:53 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, November 19th 2014 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



appllo
BornJudy
Corpelia
Dru
LadyJack
Little Miss Naughty


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
appllo, BornJudy, Corpelia, Dru, LadyJack, Little Miss Naughty!



Oh, look at the pretties! Kaylee, 'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 13:39:06 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Yay seniorslayer!

deadguy qod

I do think BTVS/Angel represented CA better than Seinfeld/HIMYM. I've thought the sitcoms weren't very reflective of the diversity of New York. BtVS wasn't exactly LA, but it seems the demographic and attitude at least was in the ball park. The same with Los Angeles.



Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 19 13:32:01 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Just caught
the news--I hope the part of
upstate New York that is getting
slammed with snow isn't the part
you're in!


Yay! seniorslayer!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Nov 19 12:59:47 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for seniorslayer!

yay seniorslayer!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

spike & the bloodsuckers with their new cover 'california girls'

did btvs and angel represent s. california as well as seinfeld or how I met your mother represent new york?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 19 12:48:06 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest--There are some
very creative people out
there!

And congrats to you. . .so, were
you drinking?



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ShadowQuest says:
(Wed Nov 19 08:14:02 2014 74.44.175.9) [Edit/Delete]
Zoom through

Winners announced in the Take Back Halloween costume contest.

Next year I'm doing Grace O'Malley and Bastet - I wanted to do Bast this year, but ran out of time to get the collar & headpiece done.

wolfguard My memory's not the best on details, but Eliza was cast in "Tru Calling" after "Buffy" - I can't remember if she turned down the Faith spinoff, or if it was just kind of mentioned, like the Ripper spinoff. (Tony keeps saying he's still game to do it, but Joss is a little busy playing in the Marvel sandbox.)

Off to read the latest comments on tonight's episode of SHIELD.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 19 04:53:43 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 19 04:56:36 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe Bracken is as concerned with the weapons being in the hands of 'normal' states as in the ones you noted.

ETA The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists featured a clock with its hand(s) ticking to midnight. As I remember, they would adjust the hands based on their reading of the current state of the world with respect to nuclear war.


Shan,

I have read SMG approached Joss early on in the production of the 7th season telling him 7th would be her last. I have heard SMG in interview say as much, saying she wanted to see her husband more.

I believe there was some exploration of doing a series featuring Faith, but I don't believe Eliza was much interested. There may also have been some talk about a series featuring Spike, but James went to join AtS.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 04:48:13 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 19 04:53:26 2014
wolfguard It is a scary thought. Nuclear weapons in the hands of non-
existent or unstable regimes.

ETA

There is a magazine, that has an image on the cover that is supposed to indicate
the likelihood of nuclear war breaking out, but I can't think of the name of it
right now.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 19 03:43:12 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 19 03:45:42 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not know if my recent or current readings would be interesting to most; however, a few weeks was reading portions of Dr. James Mahaffey's Atomic Accidents which is a technical history of ~ nuclear accidents and disasters. He noted much of the complexity of most nuclear power plants comes from the systems aimed at keeping the nuclear core from having a meltdown.

The utility companies were conservative - engineering sense - and were not interested in pioneering nuclear plants. It was only after the US Navy developed and operated nuclear power plants aboard submarines (and some surface ships) that the utility companies bought in on nuclear. The submarine nuclear power plants had to be scaled up to produce enough power for civilian use and that scaling up appears to have created the complexity problems. Nevertheless, the plants worked well enough that few people were interested in developing other designs. Mahaffey says there are smaller and safer power plant designs to be had, but the public only knows the massive ones used by the utility companies.

ETA Related, Paul Bracken's The Second Nuclear Age. If you thought the Cold War's use of nuclear weapons was scary, prepare for greater thrills our new world of nuclear weapons promises.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 03:42:47 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
KAM Sometimes they needed to
wait for something to set or the
painkillers needed to take effect.
Since I doubt they expected to be
working on me two hours, they might
have spent time with other patients.



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KAM says:
(Wed Nov 19 03:19:19 2014 99.140.175.88) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Christopher Marlowe: did they say they
needed to wait for some reason, or were
they just strolling around?

KAM



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 19 02:29:44 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I'd not make the blanket statement that ~ scientific discovery must always invalidate faith. What I tried to say, that might have been understood that way, is twofold. First, religion has sometimes said that science cannot explain this or that using natural processes - and then science has explained this or that using natural processes. Second, when facing a natural mystery, science might say of it, "We can't explain it (at this time)". Facing the same natural mystery, religion might say. "God did it." An example is lightning, for most of history there was not enough understanding to offer a natural explanation for the phenomena.1 There was no scientific explanation. Scientists, or then called natural philosophers, didn't know. OTOH, some religions had an explanation. God(s) did it.

Now we have natural explanation for lightning. We know it's not gods throwing energy bolts around and those religions that said such was the cause were wrong. That said, those same religions can retreat from god(s) as a proximate cause to god(s) as the ultimate cause, i.e. God created the natural world and the rules by which it worked.

I believe you have more experience with Judaism that you might realize. The Old Testament is the Christian name for the Jewish Tanakh or Written Torah.2 Genesis is the Jewish story of Creation. God gave the Ten Commandments to a Jew. Joseph and Mary were Jews. Jesus was a Jew.

1 Though one might conclude lightning is more likely to be observed under some conditions than other conditions.

2 The Gospel of Matthew was written for a Jewish audience.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 01:53:01 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Have you read
anything interesting recently? I'm
finding myself reading a blog entries
by researchers who are studying
elephants in Africa.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 01:23:46 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Excellent idea!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 19 01:14:08 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I am also hereabouts. *g*

Another suggestion for dealing with writer's block. Take your main characters and for each one write out how they see their plan playing out to take them from where they are to where they want to be - assuming nothing goes wrong. Now look for gaps in their plan or ways to make their plans go wrong.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 19 00:22:42 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica I do have a
blender, so smoothies might indeed be
a good idea.

wolfguard I'm hereabouts. *g*



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 19 00:09:48 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Ugh, my
teeth hurt just hearing your
description of your day :(

Don't forget smoothies--I know the
last thing you want to drink in
cold weather is something cold but
I still love them!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 18 22:48:54 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 18 22:50:32 2014
KAM I went in for a regular six months checkup and they discovered a crown was loose. Further xrays indicated that some tooth broke off, I guess they didn't build it up sufficiently before, hence the loose crown now. So two hours was spent removing the crown, removing the fragment and doing a proper build up. I'll get the actual crown next Tuesday. So Soup will be my staple food source until then.

What annoyed me the most was the dentist would work on my tooth for about 5-10 minutes, wander away for another 15 minutes and then come back to work on it a little more, go away again and then come back. That's what took up most of the 2 hours.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 18 22:15:23 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of Willow and Tara's kitten?
Answer: Miss Kitty Fantastico

Trivia Top Cats: valMichael, OldManFan, ShadowQuest
Trivia Kitty Cat: Maverick,



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Maverick says:
(Tue Nov 18 21:43:36 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Ms. Pussey Galorificus.


Agent Cooper: There are two questions that will never be answered by Science, not real science (based on the scientific method) nor today's bogus consensus science. How did existence come about? Where did life come from? These require metaphysical or supernatural answers.


Yay, Octoquod, yay! Hope Heaven is as nice as Pittsburgh.


Finished Season One of "House of Cards" which is very interesting and well done.


Maverick


Incense and Peppermint




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KAM says:
(Tue Nov 18 20:29:11 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Christopher Marlowe: I've spent more than my fair share of time at the Dentist and have never been nervous or uncomfortable with it, but a full morning...nope. I want to get in and out.

KAM



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 18 20:17:01 2014 70.198.33.246) [Edit/Delete]
Spending the entire morning at the
dentist is no fun!



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KAM says:
(Tue Nov 18 19:46:04 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 18 20:05:42 2014
Hello again,

Agent Cooper: People don't live their lives governed by evidence. Everyone takes a variety of things on faith. Few people can claim they've investigated the math behind scientific theories or laws, and KNOW them to be true--for example. They simply believe (have faith) that someone else has done that work, and COULD prove it to them given enough time...and assuming they have the capacity to understand the science.

A lot of sniping little frauds who like to criticize "faith" (and let me be clear--I am not criticizing anyone here) pretend they are guided by "evidence, facts, reality" etc. But they aren't. Most of them know next to nothing about science, and AREN'T scientists. They merely pick what they want to believe, or not believe, and they aren't secure enough in themselves to stand behind that choice. That in itself isn't the problem--that's how people live--they process whatever information they have available, and make a choice for themselves.
It is when they convince themselves that they ARE living only by evidence.

Faith (not necessarily just religious faith) is part of being human--it provides us a practical means of living many parts of our lives.

I think you will find it MUCH more common that someone chooses something they want to believe and THEN finds "evidence" to support that preference. This includes people that claim to not believe things without evidence. I think those people are delusional, OR would be so busy verifying everything they encounter that they'd likely be doing nothing but that.

Who knows--maybe there is some person out there who literally lives their life only by evidence, and without a shred of faith in anything, but if so, I'd suspect they're probably not a well balanced person.

Scientism never made much sense to me. It is the opposite side of the Young Earth Creationism coin.

ETA: You mentioned that you're Catholic. People often make the mistake of thinking they know about Religion when they don't. People commonly attribute fundamentalism and/or things like Young Earth Creationism to Catholicism, but that's due to their ignorance or they like to make fallacious arguments in order to make convenient (and inaccurate) attacks on people they dislike or have a need to ridicule.

Another thing that seems laughable to me is that modern Atheists (the fraud ones who populate the internet, not sincere thinking people), often parrot Protestant Propaganda some of which stretches back to the reformation to attack Catholics.

It is interesting however that these people that claim to represent "Science" or "evidence" so often get basic facts wrong. How likely is it that someone who actively seeks to attack someone else, without bothering to learn even the most basic things about what they're attacking is going to be an adherent to scientific evidence?

Here's what I see this all as evidence of...lots of people are just jerks. :)

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Nov 18 18:31:37 2014 74.44.175.9) [Edit/Delete]
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Trivia Girl Miss Kitty Fantastico

Question to the Bronze Is anyone here named Kerry Cicotte, or does anyone know who that person might be? I've been getting spam mail from Kerry (Dumb things like today's "Oprah says it's awesome!" and a link that ends in rising.php.) and the other addresses it was sent to include DaddyCatALSO, CaughtNTheQuiet, Christopher Marlowe, Menomegirl, Dirty Socks, Beldin, the late Lady Algerina and Dianne.

This has been going on for a while - normally I just delete them, because they go straight to my spam folder, but today I thought I'd ask, in case anyone knows who this is & can let them know their email has been hijacked. The subject line is "Fw: kerry cicotte" and the address is "admin@rabata.org".

lostinamerica It's only going to get worse before it gets better.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 18 18:10:56 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: In the spirit of Gary Gygax's advice about writer's block-(to recap: There is no such thing as writer's block!) I give you this, from Mr. George Orwell:

Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout with some painful illness. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven on by some demon whom one can neither resist nor understand.
― George Orwell



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 18 16:52:47 2014 209.51.184.48) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Yes, of course. That is all very true and I agree, except for your last point. I still don't think scientific discovery always must invalidate faith.

I think you have a definite point if we are talking about religions whose followers rely only on a very rigid but brittle literal translation of the faith. (And we're getting into creationist territory here.*) (and I'm sticking to christianity because I can speak to that-I have no experience with Judaism or Islam)

So yes, a strict fundamentalist, for example, who cleaves to an absolute literal translation of the bible may (or may not*) have to do some spiritual and/or mental gymnastics to absorb the fact that at this time all of our scientific evidence points to a much, much older earth then the scripture accounts for.

On the other hand (and I know you already know this) there are many denominations and "flavors" of Christianity and many reject such a literal translation. IE a catholic like myself is taught that the bible is (mostly) allegorical. As such the modern catholic church is accepting of and even embraces current science and is completely un-ruffled by such knowledge.

*Just a caveat that I respect creationist and fundamentalist beliefs. Just arguing an abstract point here. Poorly as usual.



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valMichael says:
(Tue Nov 18 16:29:11 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: dob, Elizabeth Anne Allen, Emerald, Miss Rellie, SarahNicole, and Willow's Acolyte!

YAY Octoquad!

Trivia Girl
Miss Kittyfantastico

deadguy QOD I suspect outside of Slayer central, they don't get together unless a mission calls for all of them at once.



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KAM says:
(Tue Nov 18 16:24:55 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

YAY OCTOQUAD: Probably less and less, some of them probably not at all.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Nov 18 15:56:13 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Miss Kittyfantastico.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 18 15:30:34 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of Willow and Tara's kitten?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 18 14:04:51 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, November 18th 2014 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!



dob
Elizabeth Anne Allen as the rat & witch, Amy Madison
Emerald
Miss Rellie
SarahNicole
Willow's Acolyte


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
dob, Elizabeth Anne Allen, Emerald, Miss Rellie, SarahNicole, Willow's Acolyte!



First of all, 'Posse?' Pass. Cordelia, 'Helpless'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 18 13:56:37 2014 209.159.255.107) [Edit/Delete]
Yay octoquad!

deadguy qod

I think they get together every year or so, maybe Cleveland, the other hellmouth. Or I can see them hanging out over the weekend at some place like Vegas.

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!


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