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Maverick says:
(Thu Sep 18 19:09:23 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: You have a very, very, very serious funny bone.

So many great comments about Jeremy Brett's portrayal of Sherlock Holmes, I brought two DVD's home with Brett's Sherlock. I'll be the judge.

Obama gave a speech to some military personnel in which he promised them that he would not order them to war in Iraq. First of all, if he hadn't pulled ALL troops out of Iraq (he did this AGAINST military recommendations, just so he could make speeches to Liberal/Progressive wimpy voters to tell them he was keeping his word) so he left the door open and let all the ISIS flies in. Now he announces he will not put them into combat positions (boots on the ground.) Would you walk through your town's ghetto wearing a sign saying "I have money, I am not armed, and I don't know karate?" When you do what Obama always does, you INVITE aggression. The best way to avoid a fight is to be prepared to fight one and act like you WILL fight. Do that and you'll never have to fight.

CD Thursday: Delfonics Greatest Hits.


La La Means I Love You

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ChistopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 18 18:11:36 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Agnet Cooper A troublemaker are you? Your kind are most welcome here. *g*

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Sep 18 15:23:10 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: I'm not allowed to answer questions like this anymore. Because of the restraining order.

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valMichael says:
(Thu Sep 18 15:06:12 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Ana, GlassesNanny, Jaan Quidam, and SMGFan!

YAY niblet!

Trivia Girl
a sneeze or sneezing

Beldin Thank you very much for the link to that video on the Fibonacci sequence, nature and art. The creator is a true artist and mathematician. Just think, 25 years ago, that would have required a team of animators, many months and many dollars to create. Today, with the proper software and a powerful computer, it can be made by a single person in a reasonable amount of time.

ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard, lostinamerica Each series, BtVS and AtS had their own strengths and weaknesses. As for wolfguard's list, I'm don't agree with most of them. I thought possessed Cordelia was quite good. I loved the way Charisma played the part. I neither liked or disliked Connor. Angel moving to L.A. was necessary and broadened the range of stories available. BtVS could have worked in a large city such as New York where having a car is actually problematic. As for demons looking like humans in masks, we have to remember two things. One is that they were always portrayed by humans in masks (makeup :). And two, in Christianity which is one the basic concepts underlying the series (Holy Water, Catholic Church references and , crosses, etc.), demons have the ability to assume both human form and mannerisms in order to tempt humans to evil. Who knows, several could have been posting on the Bronze! ;-)

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OldManFan says:
(Thu Sep 18 14:49:56 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - A-a-a-a-a-choo!


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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Sep 18 14:38:45 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
A sneeze or the act of sneezing.

My personal record is 13 in a row.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Sep 18 14:33:08 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Human Body
Question: What do you do if you have a sternutation?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 18 14:13:21 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Yay niblet!

Happy CD Thursday!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Sep 18 12:47:28 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, September 18th 2014 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!

Jaan Quidam

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
Ana, GlassesNanny, Jaan Quidam, SMGFan!

Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air! Jayne, 'Out Of Gas'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Sep 18 12:39:14 2014 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--True, Teenage Conner and possessed Cordy weren't the best concepts. Kind of like Riley and Season Sux ;)

cc ChristopherMarlowe

Yay! Niblet!

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KAM says:
(Thu Sep 18 12:20:05 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,


Ty King Fan

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Sep 18 11:56:32 2014 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for niblet!

yay niblet!

Happy CD Thursday!

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Adri says:
(Thu Sep 18 08:46:35 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Thank you notsoShyGirl, Beldin,
KAM, lostinamerica, Christopher
Marlowe, valMichael
and Yay
of the Day

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 18 05:36:03 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

"generic metropolis", I agree.

Love Scotland, Vote No



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 18 03:26:38 2014 [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I agree with you about Teenage Connor and possessed Cordy, although how much of that was due to Charisma's pregnancy I'm not sure.

I think the L.A. setting worked better for the show early one, but it became more of a generic metropolis.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 18 03:15:28 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not remember enough detail about AtS episodes or season storylines to do the topic justice. :) That said, here are some items that grated with me. *g*

- Teenage Connor

- Possessed 4th season Cordelia

- Skippy telling the fang gang that every significant decision they had made since Angel came to town was preordained, i.e. you didn't really have a choice.

- Demons who behaved very much as humans, essentially humans in masks.1 BtVS also moved this way. The first time I recall being the demon who offered to sell the Books of Ascension to Buffy. I understand the writers' argument that it broaden the range of stories, but some of the mystery and danger of the unknown was lost.

- Returning to AtS, I feel moving to L.A. took away some intimacy between the characters and the locale. Say Sunnydale, and one can imagine much of the town along the California coast. L.A.? Buffy would have needed a car early on.

1 This criticism doesn't apply to Joss' vampires. From the beginning Joss established vampires inherited all or some of the human victim's personality.


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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Sep 18 02:28:01 2014 [Edit/Delete]
ShadowQuest--I'm assuming you'd have newbies attending a model horse show, so why not have your seminar at the show for them? Or for people in attendance who find themselves interested in trying it themselves?

ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard--ATS was the better series for me.

Yay! Dogmeat!

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Beldin says:
(Thu Sep 18 02:22:13 2014 [Edit/Delete]
valMichael - Here's a beautiful video on the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio in nature.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 18 01:23:26 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Sep 18 02:07:04 2014
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe there are enough people who prefered AtS to BtVS that were this the Bronze of ten years ago, well, you'd have started a boisterous debate.*g* That said, the statement is true for me. I will ponder on it and reply in a bit.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 18 00:30:04 2014 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think we can
generally agree that Buffy as a
series was better than Angel as a
series? If so, what could have been
done to improve Angel?

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 17 23:40:29 2014 [Edit/Delete]
AjO Yes, I have many odd ideas like that. How about Lillian Gish and Jeffrey Hunter as Buffy and Angel?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 17 23:13:38 2014 [Edit/Delete]
abt I am still quite enjoying Doctor Who, but I wonder when they'll make Pink a official companion?

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 17 22:55:24 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Oopsie *g*

Trivia Master: alwaysrightNotsoShyGirl!

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Sep 17 22:50:43 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl

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Beldin says:
(Wed Sep 17 22:44:33 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Here now.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 17 20:41:47 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: With whom does Angel swap bodies in Carpe Noctem?
Answer: Marcus

Trivia Masters: valMichael, OldManFan
Trivia Newbies: Agent Cooper

valMichael I'll have to fix it from home.

AjO Now Buffy and Angel were able to go 7/5 season respectively with pretty much their core group intact. But they did have to significantly change their situation. MOving from high school to college, From the Hyperion to W&H.

abt It seems there isn't significant practical reason to be independent, other than the romantic idea of independence.

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AjO says:
(Wed Sep 17 20:23:27 2014 [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe: Valid points, indeed. Perhaps the evolution of the Machine is surpassing the limitations placed on it by its creator (Finch) and
not only recruiting Samaritan but giving it purpose, as it did for Finch and Reese. Maybe then the Machine could change how its done, provide
conflict and opportunities to explore character. Either way, Jonathan Nolan is a genius storyteller. Looking forward to this season!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Sep 17 19:25:25 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Miss Piggy!, wait, that was a different episode.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 17 18:32:09 2014 [Edit/Delete]
CNN reports on ISIS / Islamic State video. They showed some portions of the clip. It looked very much like a trailer for a war film. It ended ...

the fighting has just begun

(Arabic script)
coming soon


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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 17 18:02:56 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Frigate It!



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abt says:
(Wed Sep 17 18:01:31 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Scottish referendum tomorrow. I hope they stay.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 17 17:20:16 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Sep 17 17:27:32 2014
AjO I don't necessarily disagree with you about Shaw and Root going off together, they don't feel as fundamental to the show as Carter was.

It might be more difficult to get rid of Root storywise as she is effectively functioning as a stand-in to the Machinee and I can't see them backtracking on that and going back to the season one Machine.

It's tricky to continue to maintain what made a show great to begin with, yet not have it grow stale. Usually when things seem to be too settled with the characters, dramawise, they have to bring in new characters to create the tension that drives the characters and plot.

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OldManFan says:
(Wed Sep 17 16:36:52 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Ron Howard's father.


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valMichael says:
(Wed Sep 17 16:25:48 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Birthday Gnomette please check the second line of birthdays :)

Question Where do you order piranhas from?

wait for it ...

answer spoilerered for delicate brains
] From Amazon! [

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valMichael says:
(Wed Sep 17 16:05:05 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: LB!

YAY dogmeat!

Trivia Girl
Marcus Roscoe

deadguy QOD Definitely Cordelia. Charisma is stunning wearing formal clothes in her appearances.

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AjO says:
(Wed Sep 17 14:53:55 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: To say Im in the biz
would be a dramatic overstatement. Im
currently out of the biz, but hoping to one day
see my work come to fruition. That said, we are
vindicated because we are right. ;)

ChristopherMarlowe & Agent
: Losing Carter was painful for the
shows dynamic and as much as it seems Amy
and Sarah are trying to fill the gap, theyre sort
of treading on covered territory (Finch &
Reese). My biggest hope this season? That
Samaritan gets recovered by the Machine and
Shaw & Root leave to be a separate team
altogether. It would get the show back to its
fundamentals, be a compelling bit of
storytelling and open up the door for a spin-
off. I always consider the fundamentals of a
show to be the most compelling reason to
watch it. I felt that every great show that goes
on (and on, and on, andyou get the picture)
loses this particularly important ingredient.
When they try to thin the batch (if I can
maintain this metaphor) by adding new people
to the mix without it being of benefit to the
recipe, the cake is ruined. It happened not just
to Buffy and Angel, but to X-Files, Person of
Interest, Northern Exposure, etcetera. There
comes a point, if you start a show that you
have to let it go and say, Nope, Im done. The
story has been told and theres nothing more I
have to say. They hold true to this philosophy
on many British shows. Even Doctor Who! The
actors, producers/writers, are all subject to
dismissal because the story for THAT Doctor
has been told. Its beyond the scope of
television in America because, despite the
harsh reality, greed is good for television. The
one thing that is good about Sitcoms is there is
generally no getting to the third act. In film, in
most stories, they follow the three-act
structure where there is introduction, conflict,
and resolution. In television they try to follow
the structure of one, two, one. The real story
isnt resolved; its perpetually kept in motion
by returning back to act one. Thats why in
most sitcoms the end of the show doesnt give
the characters a tremendous sense of growth.

DaddyCatALSO: Hello! If only it were
possible. Rathbone held a great presence as
Sherlock, making sure to follow the book it
seemed. While he held tightly to the cold,
calculating manner that Watson gave, it
seemed as though Brett and other actors defied
Watson by finding in Holmes more subtleties
and nuances to apply to the character.

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Sep 17 14:41:44 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Marcus, an old man

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 17 14:37:52 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: With whom does Angel swap bodies in Carpe Noctem?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 17 13:01:57 2014 [Edit/Delete]
Yay dogmeat!

today's deadguy memorial qod

the sunnydale beauty pageant - points deducted for bite marks

I think Cordy was the only character I would have considered the closest to the pageant look. I'm not sure what her talent would have been and she might ruffle too many feathers if she answered the interview portion of the pageant. Harmony might be a close second, but she would be just as bad as Cordy, but in an entirely different way with the interview part.

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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