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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 24 18:28:01 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

Christopher Marlowe: What it seems like you're alluding to is that politicians say one thing and do another.
I suggest that few people are surprised when Politicians prove themselves untrustworthy. In light of that, isn't the only logical goal to REDUCE the influence they have on our lives?

I've been following the reactions to this BREXIT vote, and those who seem most upset about it are those people who rail about "big banks" and such--Bernie Sanders supporters in many cases. YET, the "remain" side was very much supported by these sorts of institutions.
The people claiming to be oppressed by various institutional powers are lamenting the UK throwing off the Yolk of a massive institutional power in favor of more local control.
That's a contradiction I am not understanding.

Well, actually I can reconcile that. The fact is these people are entirely comfortable with authoritarianism as long it is forcing OTHER people to do things they want. It seems the so-called "millennials" are perfectly fine with oppression, but apparently lack the imagination to see that that same power can be turned against them.

This is the result of the destruction of the CONCEPT of principles. When "I want" is the only guiding "principle" (not really a principle), then there is no consistency, no fairness, nothing to depend on except power being on your side. Well, history tells us that doesn't work out for the "little guy."

Or perhaps they consider themselves to be better than the unwashed masses--you know the UNEDUCATED fools who vote for Leaving a globalist cabal in favor of self-determination and local rule.

KAM



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 18:04:01 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
abt, KAM I'm a bit more curious about who will be the next PM, now that Cameron is stepping down.

Boris Johnson is singing a bit of a different tune himself, trying to reassure those who voted to remain in the EU that this isn't a radical changes. A lot of rhetoric from both sides before the actual vote, which seems to be a staple, no matter what country you're in.



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 24 15:01:44 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 24 15:02:34 2016
Hello again,

abt: Well, I think you'll find that was bluster, and an attempt to influence your vote via fear. Today he's singing a bit of a different tune it seems. He was wrong to say that and make that threat.

Honestly, based on Mr. Obama's Presidency, I don't think he really looks on the UK very favorably. I think his worldview is one that holds the UK to blame for a lot of bad things.

On a personal note, I think it is IDIOTIC to make such a claim, given our long and beneficial relationship with the UK. If I were the President of the US, or could advise him, I'd suggest very strongly that the US be the FIRST in line to offer renewed friendship and trade discussions with the UK.

I would do everything I could as the United States to assist the UK in it's transition from the EU because it is what's best for EVERYONE and the world economy.

Everyone in the UK has my best wishes and hopes for their new path, and I look forward to a continued close relationship between the US and UK.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jun 24 14:50:06 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia of the Day for Friday


In Portland, Oregon, a priest or a minister is not allowed to perform a wedding ceremony at a skating rink.

Barbers are not allowed to eat onions between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. in Waterloo, Nebraska.

It is against the law to sing out of tune in North Carolina.

The least-liked vegetable of all time is the turnip. Personally, I cant stand them either!

A two-year test by the American Heart Association found that only 7 percent of nudist camp residents suffered from high blood pressure compared to a national average of 17 percent. I just want to know who in the world funds and dreams up these kind of studies?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 24 14:35:16 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Mwolfguard I'm sure he'll have it with him; I'll have to check his facebook posts to s ee if he's *doing* any!

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Does anyone excpe t Angel know about Mohra demon essence as regenerator? Leavign aside the comics, Doyle is dead and Cordelia is apotheosized and ehe never told anyone else. (I did once write a fic about Harmony's mother calling Willow to get some, but decided not to post it since it would create conflicts with the cookie-dough scene.



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abt says:
(Fri Jun 24 14:34:26 2016 84.9.76.233) [Edit/Delete]
KAM - Obama came over to tell us we'd be sent to the back of the trade queue if we voted out.



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 24 13:53:22 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello again,

lostinamerica: What now for the UK? Well, they transition for a couple of years out of having another level of bureaucrats controlling their lives, and have a somewhat closer level of bureaucrats controlling their lives.

I have no idea whether or not the British people today have what it takes to more closely self-govern in a way that benefits them or not. Same question with our own country in fact, but what this does it give them that opportunity.

It is funny (not really) to hear the reaction of a bunch of people who CLAIM to be representing the people throw a hissy fit, when their globalist plans take a hit.

This Leave vote seems to be largely supported by the Working class folks in the UK, and the reaction reveals the utter disdain that the Media (and apparently financial elites) have for the little people.

While I have great reason to be skeptical of the people, because they CAN be manipulated, which is why the Elites are so upset this morning--because these "peasants" (as they see them) didn't jump to their tune.

When it comes down to it, I'm going to fall to the side of independence over remote Authoritarianism, and that's what this is at its core. I'm sure there ARE good arguments within the details and valid concerns on both sides.

The people of the UK have made a choice, and I congratulate them on that and wish the best for them.

I expect, and in fact would demand that the United States stand by the UK, and offer friendship and open trade. I would hope we'd be the FIRST to do so.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 24 13:23:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, June 24th 2016 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!

Mh


Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Mh




Wash: Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion. Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty? Wash: 'Cause you're pretty.'Heart Of Gold''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jun 24 12:51:44 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard,
abt
--Hey Europe, don't be so
concerned about Trump supporters in
the U.S.--looks like you've got
plenty of that type in the UK :(

I'm surprised they voted to exit the
EU, what now?


Yay! DeAn!



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KAM says:
(Fri Jun 24 12:51:01 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY DEAN

Mini-open letter style post to any Brits.

Congratulations Independence Minded Brits on your Brexit vote. I applaud your determination and resolve.
Don't worry too much about those who believed too much in their own media echo chamber, and don't panic about the shockwaves that others will surely try to exploit.

You've been told that the world will come crashing down around you, but you've been around long before the EU, and you'll be around long after. Congratulations for NOT buying every elitist fear-threat, and take heart that you've still got some sense of independence that we in the USA are the inheritors of, and have benefited from, but which is also at great risk.

I'm sure there will be some rough spots throughout this process, but I think this gives the UK the potential and freedom to become a stronger nation. This is your first step--don't fear the next ones.

Also--take note of the dismissive attitude the elites who opposed you, and who are STUNNED by this result. They'll continue to talk about how stupid you are, and how they know better.
This VOTE is a triumph, because it offers you a chance. Now you have to follow through and use that chance wisely.

Best wishes.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jun 24 12:24:28 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for deAn!

yay deAn!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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abt says:
(Fri Jun 24 12:01:00 2016 84.9.76.233) [Edit/Delete]
Worried about Brexit.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 24 05:18:09 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Yeah. Emotion = Leave, Reason = Remain


*SIGH*

Pound dropping through the floor. Putin smiles. Xi smiles. Erdogan smiles.

To paraphrase Trump, "Little England"


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 04:42:10 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard And yet, it looks
like "Leave' will win the night.
Voting results can still surprise.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 24 03:23:36 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 24 03:25:35 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

My experience is that emotion usually beats reason.

ETA The man who killed MP Jo Cox apparently favors "Leave", yet his action may have
stirred some to vote for "Remain" who might not have otherwise voted.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 03:00:03 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard So I gather!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 24 02:29:47 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Emotion vs Reason

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 02:23:39 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Quite right! Demon
essence.

I'm watching the Brexit coverage, it
seems pretty close.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 24 01:46:09 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jun 24 01:51:22 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

I've seen the movie. As I recall, the manager realized that buying the best
players didn't lead to the best team. The trick was to discover the best mix of
players one could buy for the given money. He hired a quant to help build the
models to select the best mix.

WARNING WARNING WARNING

... Vampires are basically dead people anyways, but animated with a soul
which keeps them pretty much functioning like people...


Animated with a demon. See Lie to Me, season 2. Angel was cursed
with having his soul restored - though the demon was still there. See Dark
Age
, season 2.


ETA

BUFFY
I got a newsflash, braintrust. That's not
how it works. You die. And a demon
sets up shop in your old house. It walks
and talks and remembers your life but
it's not you.


From the shooting script of Lie to Me, courtesy of Buffyworld.com



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 01:26:55 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
A little. With the nigerian mask, we got rid of the zombies by destroying the mask. I've looked into other incidents of zombie or zombie like happenings and there isn't much. There is Voodoo, of course, but that is tied up with religion and involves magic we don't fully understand yet. It's something of a political minefield these days. Other than that, there reallly isn't anything else....well, at least not in the books here" Dawn said with a wince on her face, like she remembered something bad .

"Buffy mentioned something about your mom. "

"Yeah. It was a long time ago, my mom died of complications from a brain tumor. Being young stupid and hurting, I got a spell that would resurrect her, but I was warned she wouldn't necessarily come back right"

"That must have been horrible."

"I didn't care back, I just wanted my mom back. Buffy talked me out of it, but I always wondered and started looking into zombies for a while. I never did run across any zombies, you are my first 'live' one, I guess. "

"Has your mind changed? I wouldn't recommend being a zombie, there are some serious downsides and not just to you. There were times where making someone a zombie to save them from a worse fate, if you can believe that. While there are some things I can do that I couldn't do as a human, I'd rather be human than zombie to be honest, like my old self".

"I didn't find any cure for zombies. While there are plenty of spells for resurrecting the dead, like the one I found when I was a kid, pretty much all of them are for controlling them in some way. None that brings the dead truly back to life. I presume that you've explored cure based on
science?"

"Yeah, my partner, Ravi, has experimented on mice with possible cures, but none has panned out yet."

"There is a long shot that I've run across. You've heard of Buffy's former boyfriend, Angel?"
"Yeah, sounds like they had quite the relationship, kinda like mine with Major. It's complicated doesn't begin to desribe it."

"Well, Angel is a vampire with a sould and there was some possibility that he could be turned human. Vampires are basically dead people anyways, but animated with a soul which keeps them pretty much functioning like people. There isn't a much, but that is a possible line of research" Dawn said thoughtfully.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 24 00:44:39 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard There was a book
called 'Moneyball' that assessed
prospetive professional baseball
players strictly on a variety of
metrics. Traditional 'scouting' of
such players is more human-based,
basically observation of one player,
including, I believe, personality.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 24 00:27:27 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Reading some book on thinking, etc. In writing about sample size, one example used
were the factors one graduate school used in assessing applicants: grade point
average, letters or recommendation, and interview.

Looking back over a large number of excepted candidates, the best predictor of their
graduate school performance was their undergraduate grade point average. The worst
predictor was the interview, which is not surprising since a single interview is a
sample size of one. And yet the interview usually is the most heavily weighed factor
in the assessment. The human touch trumps.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 23:23:43 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
offline for about an hour...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 23:08:45 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Fantasma!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 23 22:51:21 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer
for fantasma!

yay fantasma!



Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 23 22:38:55 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Cycling in Arizona?


Christopher Marlowe,

The US will probably not be around in 1,000 years.

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 23 22:04:47 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: 'Seven Seas of Rhye' was a top 10 single for what band?
Answer: Queen

Queen of Trivia: notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 21:05:08 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Another interesting result at the Supreme Court, and the fight continues for another millennia.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 23 20:31:21 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe And a slightly older friend of mine form some other websites, a serious cyclist, is vacationing in that area this week.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 23 19:30:32 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Interesting. Ina discussion on Reddit, I made what I thought was a completely factual and simple statement of how my own r eactions to things changed over the years:"Back in my bachelor days I used to really enjoy the burnt-tobacco taste of a girl's kisses. but since my divorce I can't even handle sitting next to a smoker on the bus, even if she is pretty" And I was congratulated on how poetic it was.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 23 18:26:40 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Current temperature in Phoenix, Arizona -

104 degrees, mostly cloudy


Pansy *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 17:13:42 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Another hot day in the neighborhood, too hot too early this year.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Jun 23 14:57:26 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Queen



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 23 14:48:27 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: 'Seven Seas of Rhye' was a top 10 single for what band?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 23 13:02:31 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, June 23rd 2016 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Aja the Good Fairy
CHRIS's husband Rick
fairytale
fibs
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wolfchylde


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to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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KAM says:
(Thu Jun 23 12:47:04 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY CHARLIE X

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 12:42:34 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
good morning beta



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 23 12:09:57 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for Charlie x!

yay charlie x!



Happy CD Thursday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 04:09:35 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I catch him from
time to time on PBS. I'll write up
some more for tomorrow night.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 23 03:41:31 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Blood Ties, yes. *g*

I use to watch in the 90's, but scheduling conflicts arose. Now and then hear him on
Sirius XM radio. You?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 02:32:44 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Do you ever watch
Charlie Rose?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 02:20:38 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Hmm..I can work in
the blood reference too, something
else Liv an DAwn might have in
common.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 23 01:22:44 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not remember Liv having a sister, but she does - did - have a younger brother.
He was severely injured near the end of the first season. He needed a blood
transfusion. Liv had the right blood-type, but her blood would have made him a
zombie. To add more pain to the mix, to keep her secret Liv could not tell her mom
why she could not donate blood. Her family, essentially, disowned her.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 01:03:08 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Does Liv have a
sister?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 23 00:42:34 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Now I remember!
yeah, I should be able to work that
in.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 23 00:19:47 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

"...Dawn made a face, not the first time Liv's seen that expression when she
mentioned she worked in a morgue...
"

When I read this line, immediately thought of the only time Buffy and Dawn were in a
morgue together. :(

Is there anything in Forever that might be useful for your story? It's the
episode where Dawn tried to resurrect Joyce.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 23:36:34 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Liv wandered down the hallway, her heels clicking against the tile. She occasionally took a glance through the glass half-walls that lined the hallways, seeking the name 'Dawn Summers' on the door.

She was at the end of the hallway and spotted the name etched in glass on the door and peered in, looking at a young woman seated at the desk with her back to Liv. She appeared to be wearing a classic suit, in soft gray and her hair seemed to long, wavy and black.

Liv rapped on the door and the woman swung around on her chair, spotting Liv and motioning her inside. Liv couldn't quite see the family resemblance to Buffy, but then she didn't look to much like her own family.
Liv went into the office and DAwn Summers stood up and walked over to greet her.

"Liv Moore? Hi, I'm Dawn Summers. Won't you have seat at the table?" Dawn said, guesturing towards a small table opposite her desk.

Dawn sat down in the chair across from her and gave a measured smile. Not unfriendly, but a bit reserved and cautious.

"How did you know my sister?"

"Dead body, actually. One of the slayers, passed away, and I am a coroner's assiestant".

Dawn made a face, not the first time Liv's seen that expression when she mentioned she worked in a morgue.

"We were trying to discover the cause of death and once that was resolved, I just wanted to hang out more with Buffy and the others. I don't exactly have a lot of female friends. I assume you know something about me" Liv said.

"Zombie? yeah, not something we run across often. When I was a kid, our house got invaded by zombies, courtesy of a Nigerian mask. They didn't talk, and that was the first and last time we encountered them. Obviously you are a zombie of a different color, so to speak."

"Yes. I was at a party and got bitten and woke up zombie. Not the greatest thing to have happened to me, but I've seen worse things happen to dead as well as live people. Were you able to do any research?"

"A little. With the Nigerian mask, we got rid of the zombies by destroying the mask. I've looked into other incidents of zombie or zombie like happenings and there isn't much. There is Voodoo, of course, but that is tied up with religion and involves magic we don't fully understand yet. It's something of a political minefield these days. Other than that, there really isn't anything else."



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 22 21:45:09 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the Burger Loa say Angel would kill in 'Loyalty'?
Answer: Connor

Trivia Master: MAverick!
Trivia Newbie: notsoShyGirl



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jun 22 19:23:35 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I figure even if she did read the Comments (ONE guy asked when did the 4th toe on each foot turn into a king prawn. I'm serious) Sarah by now is sufficiently used to Stupid Fan tricks I doubt she noticed. (and really, -leaving aside that coming from me it's a compliment- SMG is a ;lot shorter than Charisma, who has the same shoe size and they don't exactly look tiny on her, so it just seems well, accurate. Charisma once posted on Facebook that when she was a teenager she thought of them as "these giant mutant things." I of course had to respond with "They looked alright in 'Rm w a Vu.'" I *think* I stopped myself before I started getting into reverse-prejudice territory.)



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 18:36:16 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

I did wince at the 'gunboat' comment.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 17:12:35 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
checkin' in, checkin' in. Looks like OldManfan is touring the New York State area! I hope he sends us postcards!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jun 22 16:20:36 2016 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: C0ck Robbin.


Down the Rabbithole of Political Correctness: The One Thing You Can't Call Girls at a Girls' Academy.


Maverick


A Summer Place




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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 22 14:52:43 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
"The Father will kill The Son"



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 22 14:42:49 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the Burger Loa say Angel would kill in 'Loyalty'?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jun 22 14:41:16 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard you might see what I said as a self-made misfortune for myself.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 22 13:10:27 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 22nd 2016 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Goddess
Jkat

Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Goddess and Jkat




Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.'Life of the Party''

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KAM says:
(Wed Jun 22 12:54:31 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY BLADE

Deadguy QOD
I don't know poetry enough to answer.

Christopher Marlowe: I think Xander would definitely be a Marvel reader.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jun 22 12:42:44 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Blade!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jun 22 12:12:15 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 22 12:12:43 2016
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for blade!

yay blade!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

los angeles dead poet society: join us and become effulgent!

Who would each of the fang gang's favorite poet be?

Happy non-Angel Wednesday



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 08:06:34 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Thumper!

Happy Birthday Tiggy3323!



DaddyCatALSO,

Who had a misfortune?



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

What kinds of books would the Scooby gang have read during their off hours? (High School)

Willow

- The Pleasure of Finding Things Out, Richard Feynman

- Working through volume 1 of The Art of Computer Programming, Donald Knuth


Xander

- Moonraker and Thunderball (It's a very special Bond summer)


Giles

The Secret Teachings of All Ages, Manly P Hall


Dawn

Pride and Prejudice


Buffy

The School for Scandal, Richard Seridan

&

The Italians, Luigini Barzini (Buffy can be seen carrying a copy in one episode)



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 03:56:25 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Looking forward to it.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 03:54:22 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard No tweeds, but she woiuld be quite stylish! *g*

I'll have something up tomorrow night.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 03:08:17 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

But would Dawn wear tweeds? *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 02:37:19 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Dawn as Watcher? That's a good idea. That would be something of a timesaver and easier to write. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 02:08:44 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

- Buffy warned Liv about the Council. Liv explains why she needs to take the
risk.

option 1 - Buffy walks away

option 2 - Buffy directs Liv to Dawn/Willow/Xander to work out details of trip
to Council

option 3 - Dawn/Willow/Xander put Liv in contact with a Watcher
(rogue/retired/rebel/young Turk - choose one or mix and match or ?)

option 4 - Dawn is a Watcher (play with how that came to be)

- Liv journeys to the Council.


Note: 13 years since Chosen. Potentially daunting task creating how
history unfolded for scoobies, slayers, council over that time.

Over 13 years, Buffy could have come to love the Council, embrace the Council,
Buffy could be the Council. Or not.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 02:00:48 2016 70.198.39.174) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

Part of the reason forDawn is that I
am familiar with her but I haven't
used her as a character yet.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 22 01:03:47 2016 67.158.25.23) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

It is a little muddled. I would
personally like to write up a
conversation between Liv and a
watcher and see how it goes. I
mighy also do a separate combo
between Liv and either Buffy or a
scooby,perhaps Dawn? Only because I
think dawn might have a different
view.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 22 00:18:00 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What's your next move in the story?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 23:48:47 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I really should be writing!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 23:25:55 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
I am hereabouts!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 21 22:13:42 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday tiggy!


Yay! thumper!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 21 21:52:32 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the ghost that tormented Spike in the episode 'Hell Bound'?
Answer: Pavayne

Trivi master: NotsoShyGirl!
Trivia newbie: Maverick



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 21 21:33:19 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]

Happy birthday Tiggy!




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Maverick says:
(Tue Jun 21 21:28:35 2016 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Jacob Marley.


Birthday Happies to: tiggy3323


I wonder if that's THE Tiggy


DaddyCatALSO: At least she won't tip over.


Maverick


Reflections of My Life




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 21 19:29:12 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 21 20:07:12 2016
wolfguard Just (as my daughter used to say) being annoying *g.
And you might find some schadenfreude in this. A couple days ago, Sarah posted a picture of her feet on the beach at the waterline. Many fans responded, a nd I mentioned her "gorgeous gunboats" again.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 18:50:43 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
A slow day! Just as is at work~



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 21 18:39:34 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
For your consideration ...

James Marsters (Las Vegas Review Journal, ~ April 2015)

~ Reveals two Joss secrets ~



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 21 18:05:45 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

It's a straight job.

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 21 14:44:56 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Matthias Pavayne



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 21 14:44:06 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the ghost that tormented Spike in the episode 'Hell Bound'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 21 13:24:12 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesaday, June 21st 2016 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Alaric
MiniBuff
Slayerette The Power Girl
tiggy3323


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Alaric, MiniBuff, Slayerette the Power Girl, tiggy!




I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent the next six hours watchin' my hand move.
Spike, 'School Hard''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 13:11:01 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay thumper!

I think Willow would go for romance novels. Buffy maybe into the hard-boiled female detective. I agree with KAM, Xander would be into comics, althought I'm not sure if he would be a DC or Marvel guy. Giles would be his classic tomes and Cordy would be into fashion magazines.


What kinds of books would the Scooby gang have read during their off hours?



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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 21 12:37:38 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY THUMPER

Deadguy QOD
: Xander would have read comics.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 21 12:18:15 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for thumper

yay thumper!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

penny dreadful book store: now with dime store novels!


What kinds of books would the Scooby gang have read during their off hours?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 21 11:54:00 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I didn't say "not a job," I said "not a straight job." *weg



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 21 11:52:26 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
Belated Yay! abt!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 21 02:57:53 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm hesitant to agree with you that BtVS' premise is "inherent" in the title. I
note three facts, all attributed to Joss ...

1. Original idea was the a turnaround on the blonde going in alleyway and being
killed by a monster. Instead, the blonde goes into the alleyway and slays the
monster.

2. High school is hell

3. Joss wanted to title the show, "Buffy".

Off the last, I don't recall if he said he regretted not doing this or whether
he wanted to in the beginning, but got persuaded otherwise by the WB. Either
way, would the premise be inherent without "The Vampire Slayer". If so, how does
the premise derived from the name alone? "Buffy (the understood Blonde who goes
into the alleyway to slay the monster?).


As to Star Trek, the original premise was not in the characters.
Roddenberry originally pitched the show as "Wagon Train to the Stars". The focus
was originally to be on the starship itself and not the characters. The
characters were to come and go. Part of Roddenberry's pitch was there were so
many crew and passengers aboard that in any given episode the camera could go
around the corner and run into the character that would be that episode's focus.
Character go be a regular or a recurring character or a guest - the sky's the
limit.

As matters unfolded, the show instead first focused on the Captain and over the
first season discovered the value in the triad of Kirk-Spock-Bones. The original
idea was lost. Writer David Gerold believes this happened because viewers
identify with people and not starships. Besides, if you're going to have major
characters played by main cast who were getting paid lots of money, then writers
should use them.

This same thinking lead to Kirk almost always being on the landing party. He was
the main character. He had to be the center of the story's conflict and in those
times conflict usually meant some fisticuffs. In the early 70's, Gerrold wrote a
critique of Star Trek. One flaw was Kirk always being on the landing
party. Roddenberry often spoke of how the show should try to be realistic enough
that were it written as happening on a US Navy warship nothing would seem out of
place (barring aliens and, for the time, women). US Navy ship captains do not,
as a rule, lead boarding parties. Anyway, Gerrold seemed to prefer drama to
action and believed drama could be had with the captain sitting in his command
chair making tough decisions. It was this thinking that had some influence on
how Picard was written. He didn't lead all the away parties. He had someone else
do it.

Some others noted the original Star Trek's "Wagon Train to the Stars" premise
morphed into "Fort Apache", in that was less settling and exploring and more
fighting. That said, either premise could have worked with different characters.
We're just too bonded to the original characters.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 02:29:14 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 21 02:30:07 2016
wolfgaurd I think the basic premise is inherent in the title...Buffy the
Vampire Slayer. I would prefer that if someone were looking to reboot, They just
go their own way with it.

The Holmes/Star Trek analogies aren't bad ones. With Holmes, the characters
names and basic info remain the same, but he interpretations are different.

Basil Rathbone, Robert Downey and Jeremy Irons, all had very different takes on
the same character and while I may have preference for certain characterizations
over others, I've enjoyed them all.

Star Trek might be slightly different. It is harder to re-imagine a sci-
fi/fantasy property. While I like the new Star Trek movies, they have their own
set of problems and it is a bit more awkward, since they attempted to keep the
general characterizations, Kirk as a womanizer, Spock as the logical-thinking
Alien that might seem out of step.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 21 01:07:00 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What's the difference between a stereotype and an archetype?

Academics and writers have suggested a number of lists of both types. I imagine the
question facing any future producer of BtVS is how close to stay to the original
material or conversely, how far can you stray? Precedents exist, James Bond for
example.

A better example would be Sherlock Holmes' Doctor Watson. You probably know of Jude
Law's portrayal of Watson. Compare it to Nigel Bruce's Watson who paired off with
Basil Rathbone's Holmes. A more current example would be J.J. Abrams' "Star Trek"
with Roddenberry's original. Personally, I like the new Spock, but hate the new Kirk
- or better stated, how his backstory and how he came to command of
Enterprise. Completely at odds with Roddenberry's conception.

OTOH, there are all the spin-off series. How do you rate them?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 00:35:35 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd That's true, would
the same kind of characters still
work? Willow the shy girl, Cordy
the stuck up on, Xander the
goofball, etc.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 21 00:08:19 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I remember looking at a newspaper television section and seeing Buffy the Vampire
Slayer
. Since I'd seen the movie, the idea of it being a TV show didn't perk my
interest. A couple weeks later, I passed a television and saw a BtVS scene of the
Master talking to one or more vampires. I thought the make-up and the Master's
antics were a bit campy, so passed on watching the episode.

And then on Monday night I caught all of Never Kill a Boy on the First Date.
I was fascinated. The second to the final scene, where Buffy tells Giles why she had
to push Owen away, hooked me.

It's not about the monsters. It's about the characters the audience relates to.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 21 00:00:27 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Would the next
generation of potential viewers of
Buffy need to be more impressed by
monsters and such? Vampire,
werewolves and demons have been
pretty much everywhere since.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 20 23:53:50 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Slayer Inc - it's a job. *g*

Buffy was part of an organization. She worked for it.

If BtVS had continued as a television series and Joss had wanted the stories to have
real-world underpinnings, then he would have had to played off the trials and
tribulations of the twentysomething lifestyle. If not, then it would have risked
becoming a series of action-adventure stories with perhaps some relationship angst
and character development.

If and when BtVS returns to the small or big screen, it can only return to the high
school is hell theme if they recast the characters. They can do that. The show's
20th anniversary is this March 2017. There is a potential audience for BtVS that
doesn't really know the original.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 20 23:01:53 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 20 22:06:04 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: what does Juneteenth commemorate?
Answer: WhatnotsoShyGirlsaid and notMaverick!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jun 20 19:20:18 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jun 20 20:40:32 2016
wolfguard In s-8 they didn't have straight jobs, just running Slayer Inc.

Maverick From what I'm hearing, he put it in neutral, on a steep driveway, and walked out to collect the mail.


Dang it. got so frustrated with the accounts I was calling today, I took my headache super combo when I wasn't feeling pain, just for the sensation of taking something. (don't worry, nothing addicting)



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 20 18:16:40 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

If "high school is hell" was the working theme behind (early) BtVS, then could "work is hell" be a working theme for BtS 8+? In that light, two essays as story prompts...

"Team Spirit - Businesses are embracing the idea of working in teams. Managing them is hard." (March 19th, 2016)

"The Collaboration Curse - The fashion for making employees collaborate has gone too far" (January 23rd 2016)


Both are "Schumpeter" columns for The Economist.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 20 17:54:06 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Is it looking any better this week at work?



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jun 20 17:29:04 2016 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Illiteracy.


Werewolf123: Finish your thought. What "that auto"? I've tried a number of news links and all they report is that it was an SUV. And he had gotten out of it and was behind it and it rolled backwards and pinned him against a gate or something. It must have slipped out of park into neutral? Bizarre.


Maverick


Melrose Place




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KAM says:
(Mon Jun 20 15:59:38 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY ABT

KAM
Ty King Fan



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jun 20 15:06:34 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Juneteenth, also known as Juneteenth Independence Day or Freedom Day, is a day
that commemorates the announcement of the abolition of slavery in Texas on
June 19, 1865, and more generally the emancipation of African-American slaves
throughout the Confederate South.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 20 14:51:26 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: what does Juneteenth commemorate?

Looks like OLdManFan may be on one of his road trips!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 20 13:09:09 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, June 20th 2016 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Ember
Little Bubbles
KittyWillow
Slayfaith
Thad the Banished


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Ember, Little Bubbles, KittyWillow, Slayfaith, Thad the Banished




I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.Giles, 'Graduation Day (2)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jun 20 13:03:36 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for abt!

yay abt!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jun 20 12:19:52 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, werewolf123,
Maverick
--I heard about that,
tragic :( I take my time doing things
now, skip the shortcuts-- I guess
that's what you do when you're older :)



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werewolf123 says:
(Mon Jun 20 06:32:48 2016 68.12.75.136) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe There have been +100 freak accidents with that auto.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 20 01:52:38 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
continuing to master my skill for
procrastination!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 19 23:28:00 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
MAverick Total shock there..a
true freak accident.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Jun 19 22:53:51 2016 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
"Little Jazz Man" 60 Minutes episode on 12 year-old jazz prodigy from Bali Joey Alexander.


R.I.P. Anton Yelchin. Yelchin played Checkov in a "Star Trek" movie. He's also played Odd Thomas (a Dean Koontz character.)


Maverick


Let's Stay Together




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 19 20:51:01 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Happy father's to beloved fathers
and father figures!



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Maverick says:
(Sun Jun 19 18:42:15 2016 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Fathers' Day


Birthday Happies to Talullahdahling


Talullahdahling is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #42, in good standing


I haven't encountered this myself as yet, but there's a Scam going around where people call on the phone and say they're from the IRS and sound sufficiently threatening that people give up all kinds of personal information, etc. According to the article I read the IRS won't ever call you before first sending you a letter.


I finished watching Season Three of "Orange is the New Black" and although I like some of the characters, the series has further degenerated into abject grossness. We part company.


Maverick


Send Her My Love




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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 19 12:38:22 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, June 19th 2016 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Aleris
Angeloosa
Angel's Angelus
Louise
Sir Chris
Talullahdahling
Vaedus


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Aleris, Angeloosa, Angel's Angelus
Louise, Sir Chris, Talullahdahling, Vaedus




Whoa. Good myth.Wash, 'Our Mrs. Reynolds'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jun 19 12:16:05 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Hey, you can lift
watercolor paint too--I Googled :)



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 19 03:12:36 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

- When Liv is not under the influence of some brain's personality, she is, indeed, often 'optimistic'. However, with respect to their ongoing zombie cure research has a serious, sometimes dark, and at times desperate attitude.

"...Buffy was annoyed..."

- as is often said in the biz, "show, don't tell"


"... She was no fan of the Watchers Council. They were uptight, petty, stingy with information and personally tried to get her killed at least once. She had no idea Liv was in contact with them..."

- Third person POV does let the you step into the mind of one or more characters, but by doing it you miss opportunities for characters acting and interacting.


"There was a call for you," said Buffy.
Liv looked up from her tea. "Home?"
"The Council."
"Great," she set the teacup down. "This Todorovich..."
"Todorovic."
"Right, is she Russian? Anyway, they had some research that they thought might help me and Ravi with the cure." Liv took a sip of tea.
"You told them about Ravi?"
"Yes ... Why not?"
Buffy took Liv's teacup and set it aside.
"Do you know how I first met the Head Watcher?"
"Invitation? Over tea?"
"No. I met him as Giles was tending my wounds. The Council had arranged to strip me of my powers and then toss into an arena with a psychopathic vampire."
"Why?"
"For my birthday. You can't trust these people Liv. You're just a tool for them."



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 19 02:18:13 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm always open to
suggestions, including hypnotic
ones. g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 18 23:12:46 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 18 23:27:09 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Are you open to suggestions from the peanut gallery? *g*


Lostinamerica,

It's an imperfect analogy. *g* What I think some writers can take away from painters is thinking about their story before beginning to write the story. In television speak, 'breaking the story'. For short story or novel-writing, outlining.

Removing Oil Paint


ETA Breaking a Story


WG



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Two PAirs of High Heels, or, When the Sun Goes Down


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Summary: Harmony, in seclusion seeking her version of
shanshu, helps Faith dust soem wild vamps. The ex-con gives the lonely blonde
some much-needed physical comfort and some advice on rehab.
Story
Notes:
Icludes some violent action and explicit description (in tame words,
though) of f/f sex.Alcohol mentioned.
Disclaimer: The characters of
Faith, Harmony and those characters (except Cutter) and settings mentioned are
the property of J. Whedon, Mutant Enemy Prod., and assoc. companies. No
compensation is being received for this story.



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March 2004, A street in San Bernardino

The butcher shop proprietor sometimes stayed at his shop after hours for the
sake of certain special needs clients. One of them was leaving now.

It was night, and fairly warm, but she was wearing sunglasses, a red head
scarf, and a white-khaki trench coat. If you had been able to see her features,
you would have seen a remarkably attractive, deceptively fragile -looking
white-blond woman, looking 18 but in some strange way, obviously older. Her
cheeks were round and polished, lips full, jaw perfectly rounded. Her figure,
had it been visible, would have appeared that of a woman well and fully grown
but still retaining some baby fat. the wind pressed the tail of her scarf
against her neck.

Normally, the two affectionate couples walking toward her would have caused
her little reaction except a momentary flash of envy. However, her predator's
ears and nose picked up the trace of others behind her, even before her
paranormal seventh sense would.

The woman set down the canvas tote containing her special purchases and
pretended to be window-shopping at an antique store. both hands went into the
pockets of her coat as she hoped no one looked too closely at the window she was
staring into.

She thought, "I've only done this with one at a time before. I'm not a
trained fighter and I was never brave. And how soon before they know about me,
come looking for me ? But what about my promise ?"

By now the four vampires had deployed themselves around the two couples. The
woman stole a glance over her left shoulder just as the vamps put on their
attack faces. The humans screamed as the woman's hand tightened about the rubber
handle of the wooden-bladed knife in her coat pocket.

Suddenly, a whirlwind of chocolate-brown leather erupted from the shadowy
street, fists and feet turning the four attackers into unwilling defenders. The
dark-clad woman had wavy shoulder-length brown hair which snapped about as she
whirled and struck.

The first woman grabbed one of the group of daters by the shoulder and
shouted, "You four ! Get out of here now while you can !" Then she stepped back
against the shop window once more to watch.

The attacking woman was almost a blur as she battled on all sides, unable to
go from raining blows to a more effective attack. But, in a blink, her right
fist was filled with a wooden stake, and one vampire was dust.

The three others moved in closer and forced the second woman to the ground,
but she kicked free and staked a second vamp on the backswing.

The smaller of the two remaining fiends brought his left hand out of a pocket
and thrust it at her, a reddish cloud spraying toward the woman, who yelped and
jumped back involuntarily. The larger vampire reached to grab her from behind,
while the smaller drew a switchblade, crowing "Some of us aren't too proud to
use weapons, Slayer !"

The first woman seized her chance. just as the larger vamp got his hands on
the second woman's upper arms, he exploded into dust as the first woman drove
her knife between his shoulders.. Meanwhile, even half-blind and in pain, the
leather-bound beauty blocked the last vampire's knife strike, wrist to wrist,
and staked him.

The white-clad woman opened her tote, exposing her purchases, among them some
quart bottles of spring water, and tossed one to her co-belligerent of a second
before, saying "Here, I once pepper-sprayed myself accidentally. Help yourself."

Saying nothing at first, the recipient caught and opened the bottle, squeezed
a long splash of it over her face, then drank a deep pull.

"Thanking a vamp kinda sticks in my throat, whether for a water bottle or
helping me in a fight, but I am thinking it."

"You're welcome, Faith."

"Okay, and you are . . ."

"Do you really need my name ? Go ahead, send me to hell if you want, I can't
fight a Slayer and I'm sick of hiding out."

"My job is to protect people who need it, not to bring anybody what's coming
to them. A vamp who saves my life and buys blood in bottles doesn't exactly put
me in a killing frenzy. I'm curious; i'd like to find out more, starting with a
name."

"Let's just call me Harmony."

Faith began laughing. Vampires can't really blush, but Harmony tried. she
said, "Same old story. Nobody takes me seriously. They never did when in was
alive, and they don't now that I'm an undead."

"Sorry, Harmony, but I was just studying some stuff my Watcher had on you.
Buffy and Angel have told the Council some stories about you, believe me."

"I can imagine. Buffy's made me. . . well, I don't understand," she said,
raising her voice, "I've killed I forget how many people, but you all laugh at
me. Isn't killing people serious ?"

Faith sobered. "It's totally serious , Harmony. But, let's face it, you're
wicked inept. And as a hunter, I deal with killers everyday. We can't spend too
much time thinking about the victims; we have to focus on the bad guys. That
goes for all of us, me, Buffy, Angel, Cutter. . ."

"Don't mention Cutter to me !"

"Hit a nerve, did I ?"

"That old *******. He once told Buffy and me that if his twin daughters had
lived to grow up, they would have looked a lot like us. I don't know which one
of us was madder. Look, are gonna stake me, or can I go home and have some
supper ?"

"Mind if I tag along ? I wanna get the 411 on your apparent reform, or
whatever this is."
[HR align=center width="65%"]

Harmony's digs were actually a halfway decent third-floor efficiency, which
Faith remarked on.

"Nice. Not a typical vamp dump. How do you afford it ?"

"I do a little guard work and some telemarketing. Besides, my expenses are
low, I've learned to live with outdated clothes. My folks always got me designer
brands that hold up well." She put her blood, juice, and water into the
refrigerator, took out a nearly-empty jar of blood, and said, "Want a drink ? I
got lots to choose from."

"Nah, I'll stick with water," said Faith, as Harmony poured a jigger of
cherry vodka, one of Chambord, and one of 150-proof rum into a tumbler, then
filled the rest with the pig blood from the container.

Faith said, "Too much of that won't help whatever you're taking it for, you
know."

"Yeah, I don't usually do this, but I've had a hard day."

"What, insomnia ?" Faith observed drily.

"Meow. Nah, Magnificent Obsession was playing on AMC when I woke up. I envied
Rock Hudson for having such an easy road back."

"And for you, Harmony, that would be back to where ?"




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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jun 18 15:05:26 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 18 15:05:46 2016
Today is Saturday, June 18th
2016 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buggo
Calen
IrishGirl
Pru
Wicked One


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Buggo, Calen, IrishGirl, Pru,
Wicked One




Whoa. Good myth.Wash, 'Our Mrs.
Reynolds'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 18 14:16:05 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jun 18 12:04:23 2016 68.34.208.116) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Sorry, out of town for a few days. I don't know how to
paint, but at some point aren't you committed, once you put the paint on
canvas? Can you wipe off paint and replace without the previous color
bleeding through? Probably depends on the style of painting used,
whereas you can always change words in a story.

cc ChristopherMarlowe


Beldin--Hope your cat gets well soon!


white wings--I wondered that too--how in the heck did the Orlando
shooter get in with a long gun? If they did stop checking people after a
certain hour, the gunman would have known that, since he'd been there
several times before, casing the place. I guess bouncers everywhere
will have to be a little more observant.

And I'm a dark chocolate fan, though I agree on the liquor-filled candies-
-bleech :)


Happy Belated Birthday RedCrayon!


Belated Yay! gazoo and Jaan Quidam!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 18 02:57:58 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Buffy: "Liv!"


Liv: Uh, Yeah?

Buffy are you talking to the
Watcher's Council?

Liv: Um, sorta. I asked them to
see if they had any records of a
zombie cure. I wasn't really
expecting anything.

Buffy was annoyed. She was no fan
of the Watchers Council. They were
uptight, petty, stingy with
information and personally tried to
get her killed at least once. She
had no idea Liv was in contact with
them.

While she could understand Liv's
desire for a cure, the Watcher's
Council always has some ulterior
motive or catch. As much bad stuff
that Liv has seen or done, she
still has that optimistic, naive
vibe to her.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 18 02:54:19 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
werewolf123,

All that's left of Sunnydale today are remains. *g*

WG



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werewolf123 says:
(Sat Jun 18 02:48:44 2016 68.12.75.136) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard: Sunnydale bans remains, Liv is escorted to county line and told not to come back.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 18 01:50:02 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Probably not the
best worded sentence, but i heard
about the ban on Russian Olympic
athletes.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 18 01:21:38 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Just checking articles on BBC. Saw this one ...

"Russia ban remains with some exceptions"

and I thought, how do you ban remains? And then I realized the article was refering
to the ban on Russian athletes participating in the Rio Olympics.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 18 01:01:41 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

GILES
We will see.

XANDER
See what?

GILES
Not what. Eve.

XANDER
Whateve? Whatever?

GILES
The Watcher, Eve. We'll see her see Liv and if she greets her we'll know.

XANDER
So if Eve greets Liv we'll know ...


GILES
No, if Liv greets Eve we'll know Liv knew Eve before Buffy visited Sunnydale.

XANDER
But not if Eve greets Liv, because she, Eve, might just be being kind?

GILES
Damn. It's possible Eve will greet Liv first simply because she sees Liv first.

XANDER
How did this start?



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 18 00:41:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I hope to be
posting more tonight, but we'll see.
*g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 22:02:22 2016 24.111.135.189) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

Thanks!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 17 18:26:27 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

I wrote script format and added ( ) for what the director would be telling the actor.

(She calls Olivia "Liv" and knows she's here?!)

(What? How did Liv get in contact with them? What isn't someone telling me?)

(Can't let on I have no idea what they're talking about)


You might be telling the "actor" something else. *g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 17:22:25 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper How'd he make it past Human Resources??



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 17 15:58:04 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
*ducks in while trainee goes to lunch**

OMG this guy is SLOW. He's never gonna make it. I don't mean to be...well...mean, but jeez! You have to move fast here and switch tasks alot as new things come in that take priority. It's a sales and deadline pressure environment. ....And it takes him 5 minutes to send an email. I mean, you want to work in an office and you don't know how to work MS office???? MERCIFUL ZEUS!! WTF?? Where did they FIND this guy??????

I'm on vacation next week, thank goodness! Somebody's else's problem then. gahhh!!!!

*back to whup*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 14:45:24 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Beta~!

TJIF!

{{vibes}} to Agent Cooper!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 17 11:59:52 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
I'm in training hell at whup. People hanging over desk all the time, so can't post much, except very furtively. Plus, the dork I'm training isn't very good. I don't think he's gonna make it. Which means I'll waste a month training him and then have to start all over!

Oh well, job security I guess.

Have to run. Happy father's day bronze fathers.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 17 11:53:22 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, June 18th 2016 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


BCangel
BtVS Chick
BuFfy
Carita's Pop
Erestor
Mr. Fred, Fred's Hubby
Pink Power Ranger
RedCrayon


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
BCangel, BtVS Chick, BuFfy, Carita's Pop, Erestor, Mr. Fred, Fred's Hubby,
Pink Power Ranger, RedCrayon




Riley: Maybe I should just let you rest. Buffy: You sure? I bet if you just lay down with me- Riley: Nothing you are about to say will lead to rest. 'Buffy vs Dracula''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 03:59:47 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Okay, Okay, we'll
lead with that. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 17 03:52:00 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

If Todorovic prefers Buffy not knowing about the offer, then would she call the
dorm/monastery phone? OTOH, if Todorovic doesn't care, then no problem. OTOOH,
might Todorovic see some advantage in placing the call through Buffy or one of
the scoobies' phones.

TODOROVIC,
Hi Buffy. Is Liv Moore available?

(She calls Olivia "Liv" and knows she's here?!)

BUFFY
She's unavailable right now. Can I take a message?

TODOROVIC
We found what she was looking for.


(What? How did Liv get in contact with them? What isn't someone telling me?)

BUFFY
No problem.

(Can't let on I have no idea what they're talking about)

Todorvic hangs up.

BUFFY
Liv!


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 03:17:59 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm not sure, I
was sort of envisioning a kind of
dorm room, monastery or retreat
area. I once stayed in a hotel that
was a converted elementary school.

Liv can call back using her cell.

Priming the pump so to speak!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 17 03:09:02 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Where are they?

Doesn't Liv have a cell phone?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 02:15:23 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Liv fluffed up the pillow one last
time. Usually she was a lot
sloppier at home with keeping the
bed made, but ever since bunking
with Buffy and the girls, she felt
she needed to be a bit more ****
and span.

She decided to take a bit of a
vacation from work and spend time
with girls her own age who wouldn't
be too freaked about a zombie. So
far, she hadn't had any trouble,
the other girls barely blinked an
eye and some even said 'cool',
especially that one who was cleary
way beyond the fashionable shade of
pale without being a zombie
herself. Ravi had been keeping her
supplied with home delivered meals,
and the girls never inquired too
closely about what Liv ate.

One girl in particular, Kady, seem
interested in her, althought she
couldn't tell of Kady was actually
flirting with her. Liv was
straight, but she did like being
perceived as desirabled. In the
few short days, she learned quite a
lot about slayers. One in each
generation, vampires, demons.

For all Liv experiences with the
undead, Buffy dealt with it for a
lot longer than her and even dug
herself out of her own grave.
While Liv felt pretty accepted
here, the limitations on being a
zombie still felt like a barrier
and she still wanted to be cured.
Their research girl, Willow, dug up
all the usual information on
zombies, but surprisingly little
that would actually help. While
magic could animate the dead, it
couldn't make them alive.
"Hey"

"Oh hey, Sara, what's up" Liv said,
smoothing out the bedsheet for the
last time.

"You got a call, some hoity-toity
sounding chick.. I got her number,
if you wanna ring her back. Said
something about 'locus of
opportunity or some such crap"



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 02:01:44 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'll see what I can
whip up. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 17 01:34:05 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The cure temptation is canon motivation for Liv.

(Teaser)

Act 1 - Liv visits Buffy, et. al.

Council calls with tempting offer.

Consult - Debate - Argue - ARGUE


commercial break


Act 2 - Liv walks into the Council.


Still need that teaser. *g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 01:12:00 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard How about this?
Liv meets up Buffy and the other
girls and Liv learns more about
them and their life.

The Council gets wind of this and
Liv is tempted with an offer of a
cure or at least a way to control
the zombism a lot more effectively.
Buffy is very skeptical of this but
will support Liv and will go with
her.

The council isn't happy with this,
but there is little they can do.
Once Liv (and perhaps Buffy), what
happens? Does Liv run into the UK
version of zombies, does she learn
to love herself after all. Does
she get a cure, but not sure what
to do about it

Liv



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Beldin says:
(Fri Jun 17 00:13:57 2016 76.164.74.49) [Edit/Delete]
Big, enormous thank yous to Christopher Marlowe, white wings, and abt.

Of the 14 people who gave to help me out, 11 of them were Bronzers. I was not surprised. I've never been prouder or more thankful to be a part of this community.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 17 00:11:19 2016 70.198.33.242) [Edit/Delete]
Reading and thinking. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 17 00:10:50 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Thank you on the godfather call. *g*

Returning to your story, two notes.

First, conflict.

In my mind, Todorovic asked which scoobie was Buffy not talking to, cause that's
the scoobie to approach. Todorovic sees Buffy as a problem. It was one of the
reasons she took up smoking. By having Todorovic approach the scoobie with who
Buffy has a current rift, you open up possibilities for further conflicts or
dilemmas.

Call the scooby Sarah. Sarah gets a call from Todorovic about Liv. Should Sarah
accept the invite to talk? Should she tell Buffy? If so, before or after the
meet? Or is she really annoyed with Buffy and sees an opportunity for payback?
What does Buffy do if and when she finds out?

Second, there's probably a lot of material on zombies, but it can be
inconclusive or debated or unclear or .... Liv and her cohort of zombies might
be the missing piece or not. Scholars in the field might take different
positions with respect to Liv, based on how they see her affect on their own
theories and reputations.

Plot-wise the above does pose a problem in that Liv was going to see Buffy's
crew and not the Council ....


Buffy waited and watched. Where was Liv?

After no one else appeared from the plane tunnel (what's the word for the thing
connected a plane to a terminal gate?) Buffy went to the attendant.

"Hi, I'm suppose to meet an Olivia Moore, but I didn't see her get off."
"Moore?" The attendant checked his display. "From Seattle?"
"That's the one."
"She changed flights in London."
"What? You're sure?"
"Yes Ma'am."


WG



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Beldin says:
(Fri Jun 17 00:08:53 2016 76.164.74.49) [Edit/Delete]
Here now.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 23:25:00 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Anyone else hereabouts?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 22:55:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 16 20:55:56 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Pop Culture
Question: Who were Edgar Bergen's dummys?
Answer: Mccarthy, Snerd, Klinker

Trivia No Dummy: notSoShyGirl



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 16 20:43:01 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Willow rounded on her and burst out with a half-shout, "No! No, I can't lose Tara. I'm powerful, you've said it, and Tara herself said I was frighteningly powerful. Whatever's coming, I can fight it. I can do it for her, to keep her, to keep all of us happy, to..."

Now it was Tara's turn to grab Willow in a sudden embrace and say her piece. "Shh, shh, baby, please. It's okay, remember, this isn't real, you'll be alright, you heard him."

"But I don't want to be alright without you."

"You already are, it happened and you won't remember this. You'll just go back to being strong survivor Willow. And someday our spirits will share memories of this in Annwyn and smile about it."

"But..."

"You know as well as I do, this is what has to be done," she said and kissed her.

Jenny was holding both her husband's hands and looking into his eyes. "Rupert," she said. "I know you're considering Willow's plan but Tara's right. When Jared said Buffy remembered a few details about the afterlife, something clicked in me. Nothing even remotely concrete but I'm getting a tiny flash of where I was. I know you've never believed in much of anything, but this time you need to have faith."

"You're right, dear, I know that."

I blurted out, "I can't! I can't let you guys die again. How can I say this...if someone had come to me around maybe January of '98 and showed me what was going to happen, convinced me it was true, and proved that I could change it by dying, I would have gone out the next day and stood in front of a truck. Yeah, I would've regretted all the things I'd never get to do, the people I was hurting, and I'd be afraid, but I'd feel it was worth it."

Jenny came over, placed both of her hands on the table, looked me in the eye and said, "I appreciate your feelings, Jared. Underneath all your clumsiness and your self-involvement, I always thought you had some hero in there, just like your older friends. But it's no good. Look at the windows. It's past 2:30 in the afternoon in late September. Should there be that much light coming in both windows at this time of day? I don't know exactly what this bright future is you wished up for us, but I don't think it's anything we really want to see."

"Oh, my Lord, I guess I don't have a choice. But Cordelia's Bizarro-Dale apparently survived in some form, because that spell brought VampWillow over that time. Maybe this will too."

Anya raised her head from Xander's shoulder and said, "I doubt it, Jared. So many critical lives were ended in that continuum it created historical potential, so different worlds branched off from it. Nothing much has happened here, so it'll probably just go poof like the world without shrimp."

I guess I must have looked obviously disappointed because Giles came over to me carrying an antique cast-iron bookend and said, "Come on, Jared, lay the amulet on the table and I'll destroy it before things get even worse."

Knowing I'd never see this version of Giles again, I decided to say what I was itching to say. As I reached out and took the bookend from his hand, I said, "Ripper, old boy, smashing a necklace into smithereens hardly requires the specialized knowledge of a Watcher. I did this, I'll undo it. You need to be with your wife," and with a sad smile he turned away.

I hefted the bookend and, keeping the chain in my hand, laid the amulet on the table. I studied it for an instant, then looked around.

Xander was looking at Anya and saying, "Where are you going? And the baby?" And she was saying, "We'll both be waiting for you, don't worry." Both had tears in their eyes.

Willow was saying, "Baby, I still don't understand." And Tara replied, "I don't either, darling, but we will, someday." Both had tears in their eyes.

Rupert and Jenny weren't talking, just gazing into each other's eyes. He was crying, she was the strong one as always.

I thought about the six of them, about the happy faces I'd seen at the coffee shop and on the street. I lowered my head, closed my eyes, and whispered, "Oh God, I'm sorry. Please, everyone, forgive me. I love you guys." Opening my eyes, I looked at that piece of rock and focused my feelings on it. I raised the bookend even higher and brought it down...

"Done!" I heard again and looked up into Lili's human face. (I guess crossing realities like that snaps you back a split-second, like a rubber band.) Her triumphant smile faded and was replaced by a look of surprise.

I showed her my left hand and said, "Lookee, no pendant, just a busted chain," which I flung at her, and she caught it very easily. "I guess you'll be calling your boss now. If he doesn't want to hire you back, I know some people who can help you find a job."

Her fist tightened around the chain, she called me a *******, and stalked off. Oh well, other women have called me that before.

I often cry in public, so the next ten minutes or so were nothing that new. Then I looked at my glass and saw it was still half full.

"Well, at least I got an extra half a glass out of it," I said with mock cheer. By now, along with the caffeine, sugar, and act of swallowing, I needed the fluids too. I reached for it then hesitated.

The words of Alan Jackson's Here in the Real World came into my mind; "And tonight on that silver screen, it'll end like it should. Two lovers will make it through, like I hoped we would."

I picked up the glass and looked out the nearest window, said, "Here's to absent friends," and drained it at a gulp.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 20:13:24 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard And one of the nicest godfathers I know!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 16 18:55:14 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

White Wings,

I'm a godfather. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 17:09:33 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Argghh!!! A Pox on Supervisors this morning!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Jun 16 14:55:45 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Charlie McCarthy, Mortimer Snerd, Effie Klinker



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 16 14:51:59 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Pop Culture
Question: Who were Edgar Bergen's dummys?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 16 11:51:32 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, Juen
16th 2016 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Big Al
Ted
Tom Lenk as Andrew Wells
Tisiphone


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Big Al, Ted, Tom Lenk as Andrew
Wells, Tisiphone




Buffy! If I wanted to fight, you
could tell by the being dead
already. Glory, 'Checkpoint'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 11:34:18 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay fantasma!



Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 16 11:10:21 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fantasma!

yay fantasma!



Happy CD Thursday!



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 16 05:42:09 2016 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay gazoo!

Happy Birthday Aurora, Aiglos, caryn, english, and satanslittlehelper!

wolfguard - The journalist was not criticizing Trump, but chose to use a pejorative word such as "godfather"? He could have said "holding court", which might have implied some arrogance, but also has overtones of upper crustiness. "Godfather" implies a head thug over lesser thugs and/or a family of evil heirs, sycophants, and down-trodden. Of course you might have supplied the word as your impression of a longer description, in which case I'm being unjust to the journalist. Possibly. If that were the case, I would credit you with trying to be very accurate in reflecting the original mood. *g*

My (long distance) observation of professional politicians leads me to agree with you. If they are not more careful, they may not continue in the profession.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 16 04:02:45 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard


Shouldn't we at least speak with one of the..."

"Scoobies?" offered Todorovic.

"Yes ma'am."

"Which one? Xander, Buffy, Willow, ah...Cordelia? What was that other demon, with the bunny fear"

"Anya"

"Anya, pity she's dead, we could have used her to take down D'Hoffryn. Ah well, I suppose I should give Buffy a ring, to get a better idea of this Liv."

"Yes ma'am"

"In the meantime, pull together what we have on file for zombies, it should be rather short, so you might pull from more popular sources. "We'll see if this zombie bites"



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 16 03:41:46 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Gazoo!!



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


A gathering, a shindig, or a hootenanny?


A gathering



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 16 03:00:33 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

As I remember your story, Liv expressed interest in getting to know Buffy and
company - slayers and scoobies (?). You invited me to add some final lines. I had
the Head of the Council's chief-of-staff expressed dismay that Buffy was again
inviting outsiders to visit (and a zombie-demon one at that). The HOC noted Olivia
Moore seemed to be a ~zombie of a different color~ and worthy of inviting (cause
them we'll just probe, prod and dissect her?). She then implied we'll try not to
mention this to Buffy.

That's my set-up. How do you see it happening? Does Liv visit alone, with or without
telling Buffy? Does Buffy bring Liv home to the family? Does the Council send a team
to Seattle and if so, to what purpose?

Write the teaser. Why should I stay-tuned after the main title credits?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Edited: Thu Jun 16 02:17:59 2016
wolfguard So perhaps Liv visits the Watchers Council, as they state they
are interested in studying her and possibility finding a way to better manager
her zombism?

Then the different tropes of Zombies can be explored.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 16 01:30:03 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 16 01:34:06 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely. Just did a Q&D look at "zombies". There seems an agreement on
zombies being reanimated dead creatures, but no specific agreement on what
causes the reanimation - some thinking magick, some thinking technology, some
thinking natura causes. In occult studies, discovering the mechanism would be
worthy of a Nobel level prize.

Liv's type of zombie also has the potential advantage of being kept under human
control. The Initiative would be drawn to studying such zombies. If you recall
the suit guy in Primeval, he gave one reason for ending the Initiative
being the realization demons could not be controlled. It may now be time for a
rethink.


ETA

Man (v.o): Our losses were not total. I trust the irony of that is
not lost on any of us. Maggie Walsh's vision

A soldier with a gun.

Man (v.o): Was brilliant, but ultimately unsupportable.

Colonel McNamara getting attacked by a demon.

Man (v.o): The demons cannot be harnessed.

The end result.

Man (v.o): Cannot be controlled.


From the transcript pf Primeval, courtesy of Buffyworld.com



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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wolfgaurd Do you think that the Watcher's Council would find zombies a novelty worth studying?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 23:27:47 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 15 21:34:26 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial pURSUIT

Category: Angel
Question: Who did Lindsay impersonate in season five of Angel?
Answer: Doyle

Trivia One and Only: notsoShyGirl!

Meh...not a good day at work today.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 17:49:13 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
abt I will! However, I think he'll end the fund soon. How have you been doing?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 15 14:53:27 2016 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Doyle



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 15 14:41:37 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial pURSUIT

Category: Angel
Question: Who did Lindsay impersonate in season five of Angel?



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abt says:
(Wed Jun 15 13:59:47 2016 84.9.76.233) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe - I see Beldin's goal is met, but please post again if required.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 13:14:07 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay gazoo!

deadguy qod

SHINDIG!!


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 15 12:48:07 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 15th 2016 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Aurora
Aiglos
caryn
english
satanslittlehelper


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Aurora, Aiglos, caryn, english, satanslittlehelper




Whoa. Good myth.Wash, 'Our Mrs. Reynolds'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jun 15 12:42:00 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for gazoo!

yay gazoo!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the bronze - party like it's 1998 (when dead mans party aired)

a gathering, a shindig, or a hootenanny?


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 12:27:29 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Reading and thinking. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 06:28:29 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Jaan Quidam!


Christopher Marlowe,

It's been 13 years since Chosen. Imagining how the Watchers Council might have evolved over that time is daunting. *g*

Shortly after BtVS ended, back when I planned to write a series of 8th season fics (wrote 8), I sketched out how the Council might have been organized before The First's minions destroyed it.


The Watchers' Council


Policy

The Council
Watcher Prime


Administration
(Accounting / Finance / Investments / Personnel / Purchasing / Logistics / Communications)


Research (Collection)

Office of Independents
Field Offices
Office of Divination
Office of Antiquities & Archaeology
Office of Documents


Research (Analysis)

Section V
Section D
Section L (Liaison)


Minear Hall (Central Library)


Bertalanffy Hall (Coordination & Synthesis)


Operations

Watchers Net
SIT Program
ADS Office (provides administrative and logistical support teams to temporary projects)
Broadsheet Project (A newspaper focusing on occult and demonic topics. It serves three purposes: (1) cuts collection cost by using free-lance journalists, (2) provides perspectives beyond the Council, (3) in theory can influence occult communities by its focus and editorials. The Council likes to think outsiders do not know the broadsheets affiliation with the Council, but most everyone in the community knows. OTOH, some outsiders think they can turn-around the glass.



In my 8th season outline, some of the Council survives. Stories 1-5 explored how Buffy and the others began dealing with the problems and opportunities posed by all the empowered potentials - the new slayers. In story 6, Into the Abyss, Giles and Buffy negotiated a partnership with the New Council. During the next 5 stories they try to make a go of it, but things fall apart in "Elemental, My Dear Buffy" the midpoint story (a very special Buffy winter holiday story *g*). The "third act" of four stories follows Buffy's efforts apply the lessons learned in building ~ Slayers Council culminating in "Prophecies, Portents, & Promises". The last 5 stories finished the 'season' and with it Buffy's ... well, that would be telling. *g*

Anyway, I suspect over the next 12 years both the Watchers Council and the Slayers Council would change as new characters came and went, opportunities appeared and challenges arose. Joss wrote there were ~1,500 slayers. Of those who chose to walk patrol it's likely some joined Buffy, some the New Council, some might have formed their own organizations.

I do believe over time, Buffy would have instituted some sort of rotating service. No Slayer would patrol indefinitely, i.e. until they were killed. Slayers who chose to patrol would do so for a period of time and then would return to a "normal" life. A cycle of life of patrol-home-training-prep-patrol as long as they and the Slayer Council agreed.




Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

How up-to-date is the re-built Watchers Council? Do they have a cyber squad, use drones, social media, etc.?

- Since the 1870s there has always been a faction within the Council that favored science and technology over magick and slayers. These folks embrace and promote new technologies.

- Policy steers clear of high tech.

- Administration, Research, and Operations all use computer networks.

- The Broadsheet Project uses social media.

- Minear Hall's librarians keep all materials in both digital and hard copy formats. In fact, some materials cannot be converted into digital format. Finally, books smell, which is of the good.




Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 05:29:42 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Buffy was pleased with herself. She had done the creative thing. She had combined the classic tactics of the feigned withdrawal with the hammer and anvil. She had ran before the vampire quartet until she'd been trapped against the line of stores on Rose Lane. Now the four vampires were spreading out across the street and sidewalk to close the net on their prey, not yet realizing the prey was the anvil.

Now where's the hammer, thought Buffy. Where's Faith?

YAY ARGH!

There's Faith.

Faith came dashing down the side street towards the motley crew. They in turn looked a bit confused. A big melee was in the making. And then all hell broke loose.

The unicorns galloped around the corner and stampeded down on them. Faith braked. The vampires scattered. Buffy flattened against the wall. And then they were gone. As were the vampires. Buffy walked slowly into the center of the street. The yellow caution light flashed behind her. Faith joined Buffy and they both looked down the empty street.

"What was that B?"

"Unicorns."

Faith glanced at Buffy, "I get the whole watcher thing now."


From Imagine



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 05:14:51 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 15 05:17:40 2016
White Wings,

I did not get the impression that the journalist was criticizing Trump. My impression was the journalist experienced the event as if it were an old world dynasty holding court. *g*

My experience of professional politicians is they are more careful in what they say than those businessmen I described.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 04:38:54 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
It looks like Beldin has hit his
goal already!



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 15 04:18:28 2016 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - And this differs from most of the human race how? Reverse a few words in that description and you'll have most of the politicians. Now and then someone will surprise you in being able to bridge the gap or having a wider POV. I'm not saying that Trump will or can, because I don't know. I suspect that he will be less prone to dogma and clinging to losing strategies, but it's only a suspicion.

My aunt used to have several tables put together for a long table for adults when she gave dinners, and smaller tables for the grandkids or visiting kids. Does that make her a ~godmother~? I suspect that your journalist had a limited view of possible family arrangements. *g* For that matter my maternal grandparents used to have a large round table for adults and two smaller round tables for kids. Mind, at one point they had 19 people sitting down to dinner regularly. The big table seemed vast to me, but it wasn't that vast. I can remember that in later years the kids were allowed to sit at the main table, when there was room. In fact that was where my mother gave up on the idea that I could swallow okra. *g* However, neither my aunt's room nor my grandparents' room was quite like the rooms I've seen in some shows on Trumpian homes. No marble, for one thing.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 03:49:43 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 15 03:50:01 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Offline for a bit, but will post on Liv-BtVS story.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 03:37:10 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

A few weeks ago a journalist was talking about an article he did on Trump. The
journalist seems to have attended some Trump family dinner function. He said it
was very ~godfather~ like, Trump at the head table, grand-kids at their own
table, etc. Some other observations of the journalist ...

Got to remember Trump is 67 (?) and (when not on stage?) relatively quiet. He
doesn't like to get in fights unless attacked ... well, excepting twitter but he
calls those counter-attacks. END

I've known businessmen like Trump. Their successes created high levels of self-
confidence such they thought they solve any problem. They all had disdain for
government. More than one said the world would be a better place if businessmen
ran it. Most all of them also had only generalized knowledge of the world
outside their profession, industries and hobbies. Their view of the world was
mostly the creation of the historical events of their life as seen through
whatever news media dominated at the time - newspapers, broadcast networks, CNN,
talk radio, etc. Plus word of mouth.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 03:24:18 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Now I haven't
seen that happen in a long time and
usually it's me that does that!



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white wings;voodoo says:
(Wed Jun 15 03:03:06 2016 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Jaan Quidam and very lovely to see you!

Happy Birthday anya eliz@, Luv2Bbit, Manatree, and MAPGirl!



wolfguard - Well, the Economist article speaks to his attention to detail. *g*

He's quick to go on the offensive, but I haven't seen any indication that either Hillary or Obama tries to rise above the fray. They tend to want to come down like a hammer on a fly. He's just following their example. Mitt Romney was far too much of a gentleman to do that, and he was steamrolled. So maybe it's Trump's nature or maybe it's a strategy. Probably it's both.

As for Orlando, I heard tonight that he made his calls to 911 while he was in the bathroom with a batch of people alive, dead, and playing dead. He may have called beforehand as well, since he called several times. Maybe there will be a coherent timeline eventually. It's all very confusing if I think about it too much.

Christopher Marlowe - Stonewall confused me. To me that is Stonewall peaches from Stonewall, Tx about 1.5 hours down the road, or Stonewall Jackson. But I suspected you were coming from somewhere else, and google confirmed it. I wouldn't think that those events were even on the Orlando cops' radar, with an active shooter/hostage situation clearly before them. It wasn't a time to be worrying about crowd reactions.

Thank you for passing on Beldin's situation.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 02:45:00 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Hmmm....I could do
something like season four, the
college year. Buffy entered a new
world with new people, which
included the initiative. We could
do something like an alternate to
the Watcher's Council perhaps?
Leading Liv to waffle in between a
new cadre of slayers and a new cadre
of watchers?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 02:31:11 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I speculated the New Watchers Council would move to a more central location than
London.1 My research showed northern India was a central point for
global population distribution. That's why I chose Chandigarh. *g*

Anyway, New York's so passe. *g* Rather than choosing a city or town, let's
choose a story idea and let it choose the location for the setting. I had the WC
wanting to meet Liv, because her origins appeared different from the run-of-the-
mill zombie. OTOH, if she was not much different, zombie-wise, then the causal
factors leading to her being a zombie would have equivalences to historical
causal factors and that information would be significant to the Council.

But other stories are possible.

But, you need conflict or a mystery, a hook. You ended your story with Liv
wanting to meet the other slayers and scoobies. What could go wrong?


1 That said, London may be more centrally located from a
communication and transportation perspective. Back in the 80s one journalist
noted that most multinationals doing business in South America chose to set up
HQ in Miami.


Thanks for the link. I will visit it later tonight from a more secure machine.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 01:17:50 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 15 01:53:59 2016
Public Service Announcement!

As you may or may not know. Beta poster Beldin has cat named
Miki. Looks like Miki has developed something that will require pretty expensive
treatment.

Beldin is choosing not to pursue this treatment for Miki, but paying for the
current $400-500 vet bill will put him in something of a financial bind. I've
already chipped in $25!

ETA

A link would help, wouldn't it?

Link



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 15 01:06:26 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Fair point.
Sunnydale would indeed be a crater.
Izombie came later.

My knowledge of India would be
rather sparse. *g* New York maybe?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 15 00:38:08 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 15 00:38:41 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

The Watchers Council would like Liv to visit them in Chandigarh, India.

There's also the question of Sunnydale's current state. Isn't it still a big crater
on the Pacific coast? *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 23:11:42 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm halfway interested in doing another Buffy/iZombie fic. Perhaps have Liv visit Sunnydale!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 14 22:39:48 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Greetings Jaan Quidam!

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 14 21:29:58 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What type of herb/flower did Willow use on Tara to make her forget?
Answer: Lethe's Bramble

Trivia Forget Me Nots: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl

Mentally strangling my bosses today. They are NOT HELPFUL!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 20:53:24 2016 205.141.67.16|205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]
oh wow! A blast from the past!

Hi Jaan Quidam!



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Jaan Quidam says:
(Tue Jun 14 19:31:17 2016 208.167.254.84) [Edit/Delete]
Hello everyone. A little bird told me I got yay'd today.

Christopher Marlowe, KAM, notsoShyGirl, thanks you guys!!

Hellos to wolfguard, OldManFan, White Wings, and anyone else who's around today!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 14 18:55:43 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 14 18:56:01 2016
Drive-By

White Wings,

A month or so ago, The Economist did a two or three page article on Trump's business career. In the article one former employee said ~~ don't be fool yourself, he knows when the carpets were last shampooed in the hotel lobby.

From other sources, people who have met him or attended one of his social functions, he is civil and a great host. I do believe he sees himself as an old fashion patron - good to my own. I also carry a perception (stereotype?) that New Yorkers are quick to go on the offensive when they feel they've been offended. If true, then Trump is acting like many New Yorkers might were they in the public eye and feeling they were being attacked.

Remind me to later mention the book, A First Rate Madness. The author argues great leaders are often mad leaders - or carry some burden of mental illness.


Returning to the Orlando shooting, based on CNN reports and timelines dated from last night, the shooter called 911 sometime (30 minutes?) before the shooting started and associated himself with IS or the like (I do not know if in the call he said exactly what he was going to do or where and when he would do it). The shooting itself began as an exchange between the shooter and and off-duty cop working security at the bar and perhaps two other cops. The shooter then retreated inside or further inside the club and after that point the police assessed they were facing a hostage-taker and not an active shooter.1 This would explain not going in. Further, if they thought the guy was a terrorist they may have been concerned about booby traps, explosives, etc.2

Earlier today I was listening to CNN covering a press conference held at the hospital. One of the doctors (?) said the was no warning the victims just poured in - the hospital was ~4 blocks from the club - but then there was a "lull" followed by another pouring in of victims.

One interpretation is the first group came from the initial shooting and the second after the shooter was dead and responders could get to the people that had been trapped inside. But this is just my interpretation based on the press conference.

1 My generalization of the average ASE is they don't take hostages, they shoot people so long as the are able to do so. The exception that comes immediately to mind is Columbine. The two shooters did hold several people at gunpoint in the library where they would later shoot some/all of them before committing suicide (?)


2 I recall a solider talking about clearing a building who said doing it slow lets you look for booby traps but can expose you too long while moving fast cuts down exposure but increases the risk of booby trap. Lesson? Sometimes there are no guaranteed solutions and a decision has to be made on the spot about trade-off's.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 16:20:41 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
yay jaan quidam!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

deadguy qod

I would think they would have to modernize, at least with computers and smartphones. I can't see them using drones, though, too visibile. I was always under the impression that while the Watchers' council seemed to be very well established as an institution, it wasn't a very open institution. Maybe why they were pretty old school when it comes to technology.




Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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KAM says:
(Tue Jun 14 15:09:19 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY JAAN QUIDAM

Deadguy QOD
: Probably social media...*Sigh*

KAM
Ty King Fan



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jun 14 14:51:59 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Lethe's Bramble.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 14 14:40:00 2016 23.31.89.225) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Lethe's Bramble



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 14 14:33:16 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What type of herb/flower did Willow use on Tara to make her forget?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 14 12:02:37 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for jaan quidam

yay jaan quidam!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

modern life - embrace it or get out of the way

how up-to-date is the re-built watchers council? do they have a cyber squad, use drones, social media, etc.?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 14 12:01:54 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday June 14th
2016 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


anya eliz@
Luv2Bbit
Manatree
MAPGirl


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
anya eliz@, Luv2Bbit, Manatree,
MAPGirl




Big stop just to renew your
license to companion. Can I use
companion as a verb?
Wash, 'Ariel'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 11:56:50 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, white wings I
think of all places where a gun
wouldn't be brought is at a gay
nightclub. It would have been
considered a safe place to be for
the community. The gunman
appeared to choose that place
specifically, probably for that
reason. If he was looking just to
shoot as many people as possible,
there would have been other places
he could have gone with.

A thought occurred to be if there
was any hesitation by law
enforcement because it was a gay
nightclub. Stonewall itself got
started because cops stormed such
club.



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 14 06:45:57 2016 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday cabin7dad, Hanna, Mr. Morella, and Shaun !

Oooh, yay for me? Thank you for the yays YayOfTheDay, lostinamerica, Christopher Marlowe, and KAM.


wolfguard - Yes, that was part of my point. The other part was that someone who had had direct dealings with him and wasn't particularly fond of him personally thought that he was very good at negotiations. So at least there is one opinion of Trump beyond Trump's. One is better than none. More would be a lot better. *g* At least the stadium gets built. Probably concrete floors and walls instead of the marble of speeches.

It does seem somewhat futile to lay out exactly what you want to do in a very adversarial negotiation. There is always the technique favored by the current administration, where they just blithely say that whatever they wanted to happen did happen, and by the time the opposition points out with proof that the exact opposite happened, they say that they got what they wanted, didn't they?


lostinamerica - Maybe. In my experience, half of the box of chocolates will be dark, which I'm not fond of, and of the ones whose coating I like, a fair number will have coconut or liqueur fill, which I loathe.

And in a total segue, I am reminded that my late mother was picky about her chocolates. If she was left alone with them, one would find that a few would be eaten, and the rest would have a little thumbnail shaped indentation in the bottom where the contents had been checked and found wanting. Sort of like Sally Forth eating the ears off chocolate Easter rabbits.

Maverick - Yes, my daddy taught me early that when one is going on vacation, one should not advertise that the house is left empty.

Christopher Marlowe - Tornado warning? There was a nasty little one in Montana the other day, too. I don't think of that part of the country (or yours) as being Tornado Alley.

Christopher Marlowe(2) What we've also seen is another abject failure of background checking. The FBI failed to stop the Boston bombers when the Russians practically had arrows flashing over their heads. The Army failed to do anything about Major Hassan at Fort Hood, the same way this security company wasn't going to touch this guy, and neither was the FBI. I admit that they have a problem prior to laws being broken. But our systems seem set up to cause problems for the innocent, like the TSA insisting on hand searching wriggling, crying toddlers or making seniors take off their Depends, when they completely miss contraband items being taken in. I wish they'd missed my teeny Swiss army knives more often when I've forgotten to remove them. *g*

wolfguard(2) I really haven't understood the timeline. There is initial shooting, it was known, and the police were outside listening to gunfire, giving him had three hours to kill people? I can't recall a time when I've heard of that happening. Surely there must have been something else. Perhaps he managed to get his killing done before there was an adequate police presence and after that he was playing hostage-taker?

I gathered tonight that there were two restrooms to hide in, and in one people cowered as he hunted them down, and in the other they barricaded the door somehow and he shot through the walls and only got some people. I thought I heard it said that only one door was open, and the rest were padlocked. That would cause many deaths in any situation, whether fire or active shooter. But I don't know that. Perhaps it will be broken down more simply later.

I think it would have been nice if someone had a concealed handgun. Not someone with my skill level, but someone who could use it to some purpose. On the other hand, the shooter shouldn't have been able to get in the door with a long gun. Apparently late at night they stopped checking people coming in.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 14 03:48:44 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jun 14 03:49:46 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Earlier I was reading CNN articles on "The Pulse" shootings. CNN's timeline has
the first shot fired around 2:00AM. The shooter exchanges gunfire with three
police officers (at least one was off-duty working security at the club, I'm not
sure of the other two). The shooter goes into the club and a ~hostage situation
develops~.

Excerpt from CNN

"...Police say they had to wait three hours to access the situation, get
armored vehicles on the scene and make sure they had enough personnel...
"




If one reads and/or listens to law enforcement officers talk about the current
doctrine on "active shooters", one lesson learned is they usually end quickly. I
believe is because the shooter either kills the person(s) he set out to kill and
them commits suicide or the police are coming in fast and the shooter commits
suicide or the police kill the shooter.

A second lesson learned plays off the first: police cannot wait to get all the
facts and create a perfect plan. They have to go towards the gunfire and kill
the shooter. Quick.

In this case they staid outside for three hours letting the shooter free to
search and kill people. In defense of the police, they may have assessed they
were facing a hostage situation and not an active shooter situation, in which
case setting up the perimeters and calling in negotiators and SWAT would be
procedure. Still, if they were hearing recurring gunfire from within the club
then a reassessment would have been in order.

Someone(s) sent an electronic message(s) saying to inside to run. Running from
gunfire is the first response to an active shooter situation. If a person cannot
run, then Plan B is to find a place to hide and barricade it. Probably a lot of
people did hide and some might have barricaded their hide. But, the building was
only so big and the shooter had three hours to explore.

Plan C is to fight and its conditional on being found and/or having the
barricades breached. Given that most Americans do not carry weapons, they will
have to use what time they have between first hiding and being discovered to
improvise. Plan C envisions using such improvised weapons on the shooter as he
is working to breach the barricade - such as breaking down or forcing open a
door. This would be when one uses that improvised broomstick, ink pen, fire
extinguisher, whatever to stop an armed man.

OTOH, if a person is hiding in barricaded position and that person has a gun,
then there's the potential of putting bullet or two through the shooter's head
as he tries to work his way through the door.

This is how people who support weapons carry think. I will not huddle in fear
waiting my turn to be killed. I will stop the killer.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 02:53:27 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard And so another round about gun control goes with seemingly no way to resolve it.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 14 02:10:40 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Hereabouts

WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 14 01:57:50 2016 107.167.126.98) [Edit/Delete]
anyone hereabouts



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 13 23:50:39 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Any midis that evoke sunny days?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 13 23:21:10 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Taranto was Italy's main naval base. One night during November 1940, Britain
launched a couple dozen Fairey Swordfish biplanes to attack the Italian fleet. They
hit several battleships at the cost of a few planes. I don't believe the ships were
sunk, but they were put out of action of a good bit of time. The Japanese saw the
attack at Taranto as a model for Pearl Harbor.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 13 23:13:10 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wow...tornado warning...those are as rare as hens teeth. But as fast as it was arriving, it is disappearing.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jun 13 22:04:31 2016 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Bonnie Prince José


White Wings: Trump likes Unpredictability in certain circumstances. It drives me (and Trump) crazy the way Obama loves to call a press conference to announce he's fulfilling one of his campaign promises. I'm sure he can't wait till he can announce the closing of Guantanamo. But consider how CRAZY it is to announce all your troop reductions in advance and the dates you will pull out of certain areas. He did this often in Iraq. What the enemies of the U.S. (and Iraq) do is to harbor their resources (because why should they risk losing troops when Obama will reduce his opposition for them.) So they just sat back on their haunches and waited until their opposition was reduced and/or eliminated FOR them. They probably went on vacation until Obama had pulled out the troops, and THEN, since they had no opposition, they raided and took over. Obama was in such a hurry to announce (for domestic consumption) his (he portrayed his announcement as some kind of heroic act) withdrawal that he left all the Hummers and Tanks and military vehicles and weaponry there available to be used by ISIS. The thing he SHOULD have been doing is acting like he'd be there forever (to demoralize the opposition, who might in time be convinced to try to lay down their arms and join productive efforts.) If you're going to reduce troops, you keep it quiet and sneak them out, which forces the opposition to continue trying to beat you and suffer their losses (rather than waiting for an "all clear" to march back in unopposed.) If you're going to pull out entirely, you shouldn't, unless you want to welcome your opponents to overrun the population. Obama did not want to be in Iraq, so he did not bother re-negotiating with Iraqi politicians a new "status of forces agreement." The hang-up was the immunity provision for U.S. troops doing their jobs in Iraq. But Obama was so happy to have an excuse to quit, that he did not bother to try to re-negotiate the SOF agreement. Trump would never announce that he was going to leave an ally defenseless.


DaddyCatALSO: Well, you picked 2001 because before then Republicans represented stability (certainly financial.) After 9/11 who made excuses for the Muslims and questioned what WE DID to bring this down upon ourselves? The Progressives became the defenders of Islam. Bush went into Afghanistan and bombed the jihad camps of Bin Laden. The Left opposed this. Bush further went into Iraq. Again Democrats opposed it. Democrats whined and carped at the Iraq war, time after time, didn't want to win, and Bush suffered setbacks, but finally he got his surge and turned the tide and had them on the run. Obama gave it back. Gave it back. Put our allies among the Iraqis at risk. ISIS went after them. Currently the Lefties are working to settle Muslims into this country, oblivious of the declared aims of the Muslim Brotherhood. Putting us all at risk. Anything for votes.


Maverick


I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 13 21:58:33 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Piractical Pursuits

Category: Literature
Question: What was the name of the ship in Treasure Island?
Answer: Hispaniola

Trivia Captains: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jun 13 20:34:46 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Before my time:-). Seriously, never read about such an attack.


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