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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 21 18:14:33 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Football today.I am rooting for the Vikings and Jaguars for entirely shallow reasons.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jan 21 14:28:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, January 21st 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!

Girl Capital

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BrownEyedGirl, Isis, Little drdan, Kasimir86, SunnyD!

We're proud to say that the Class of '99 has the lowest mortality rate of any graduating class in Sunnydale history. Jonathan, 'The Prom'''

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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jan 21 12:40:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Yes, I did get two ruts for tires shoveled. However, because
of the extreme cold by the time I tried to get up the driveway the bottom layer
of snow that I couldn't scrap off had frozen--I almost made it to the top but
then had to slide down and park in the yard :(

Everything's gone now and they say it will be in the 60s today, I plan on opening
the windows :)

wolfguard--Yes, that BTVS movie was bad, bad, bad :(

Agent Cooper--BTVS certainly did draw us in, didn't it :)

Happy Belated Birthday LenS!

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Maverick says:
(Sun Jan 21 11:21:55 2018 [Edit/Delete]
An Aurora worth seeing For future reference it's from the spaceweather page for 1/21/18. Certainly Prints of these Aurora pics would make pretty pictures to hang around the house.


Go All The Way

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 20 22:58:22 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings It was very chilly, but not super cold out no snow yet at 4 pm here.

Quite a lot of folks showed up for the March, even though it was smaller than the one last year. One big difference is that the first march went through the main downtown area. This time, the march had to go through more park area, which wasn't as visible to traffic. The city changed their policy so that if you are planning a march and expecting a certain number of individuals, you are required to get a permit and follow other instructions.

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white wings says:
(Sat Jan 20 21:04:08 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday barbara, Buffy123, Captain Zot, Heavenly, LenS, Melusine,
Soph, Stonefloat, and The Sci-Fi Bard!

Birthday Gnomette - Thanks for your dedication!

Christopher Marlowe - How was the march? I just peeked at your weather.
It seems cold with snow coming. Did the enthusiasm keep everyone warm?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jan 20 20:48:03 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, January 20th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!

Captain Zot
The Sci-Fi Bard

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to barbara, Buffy123, Captain Zot
Heavenly, LenS, Melusine, Soph, Stonefloat, The Sci-Fi Bard!

We killed a homeless man on this bench. Me and Dru. Those were good times. You know, he begged for mercy, and you know, that only made her bite harder. Spike, 'Lovers Walk'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 20 16:37:31 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Birthdays will be a little late today...I'm on a march!

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white wings says:
(Sat Jan 20 04:32:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Narrator!

Happy Birthday Buffy, Feena, Gia, Lass, Rachel, Spikepunksgirl, and Slaygal!

wolfguard - Wasn't "working" today, still worked all day. Still late,
still tired, still don't wanna think about trade. Just want to suck my thumb
and stare numbly at TV.

But that was a lovely sentiment that you posted last night. Just lovely. Thank
you for being so gracious. *sniffle*

Agent Cooper - You have most accurately identified the origin of
Narrator's posting name. She was proud of it. Well, that and the image
and phrase "Xander in a Speedo, wet". *g

LOL to Sauron/Soros. Good guess, I'd guess.

Christopher Marlowe - Sorta here, but I need to scare up some food. I
haven't had the energy to try it yet.

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 20 04:20:16 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've stopped by a few times tonight. I will be trying a new computer up and
running this weekend. If successful, I will test it on the Bronze. *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 20 02:52:37 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Anyone around?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 20 00:20:19 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Any upcoming movies you're excited by?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 19 22:29:21 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper It is in the forties today, most of the snow we've had is almost all gone. Not much in the news lately about the flu either!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 19 20:02:44 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Meh. Probbly nuthin. These DC fat cats all protect each other from any real harm. These things get all hyped up. But we'll see.

Hey, how's the weather in the interior? We had 6 inches of snow Wednesday but yesterday and today have been quiet. Highs in the 30s. Going to be in the 40s tomorrow and Sunday, so that will be nice.

Is there alot of flu where you are? It's definitely here in my area, some people have caught it. In fact my older sister has it right now. But it's not like a big epidemic level here so far.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 19 19:37:32 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Huh..I wonder how that will happen?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 19 18:11:08 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Daddycatalso: The posting name "Narrator" of course.

Something is happening in Washington. Something really big, apparently. I've been hearing vague rumors that something huge was in the works. As of today the word on the interwebs is that it's going down for real in the next day or so, and it's a real hairball.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jan 19 17:47:05 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper What is the "That" which reminds you of that scene?
And in Faith's defense, the courier was being a son-of-a-pocketbook (ie. persnickety) about the deal, trying to jack up the price just because the Mayor Himself Himself wasn't there to pick it up

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 19 16:24:05 2018 [Edit/Delete]
That reminds of one of my favorite scenes in BTVS.

Car pulls up with bad guy who has a delivery for the Mayor. Faith takes package from delivery guy and casually shoots him with crossbow, killing him.

Annonymous mayor flunky accompanying Faith says, incredulously, "You...You SHOT him!"

Faith responds, deadpan: "What are you, the narrator?"


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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jan 19 14:44:16 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, January 19th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

Buffy Anne Summers - The Slayer

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy, Feena, Gia, Lass, Rachel, Spikepunksgirl, Slaygal!

That's one spunky little girl you've raised. I'm gonna eat her. The Mayor, 'Graduation Day (1)''

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YayoftheDay says:
(Fri Jan 19 14:36:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for narrator!

yay narrator!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 19 13:40:12 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick "I don't know of anyone who wants that."

Sauron? George Soros?

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 19 04:40:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Belated Happy Birthday Buffy!!!

Yay Belmont!

Yay Sassyeggs!

Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Would you have survived Sunnydale High?

Very Likely

Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Buffy, as we saw, was a terrible driver in her youth - which scooby would
you want driving your car in the snow and ice?


Good Night to All


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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 19 04:29:15 2018 [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,




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white wings says:
(Fri Jan 19 03:25:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Everdawn!

Happy Birthday Arsineo, CJ, Dru in LA, Daisy, JustLiza, and Misty13!

wolfguard - It's been a long day, and I can't think about trade. I saved your post.

Agent Cooper - Why thank you! I have to confess that the comparison practically sprang onto my monitor of its own accord. *g*

DaddyCatALSO - Yep. Sometimes the difference turns out to not be something one likes.

Christopher Marlowe - It looks as though you've warmed up considerably. Apparently our temperatures are about the same, briefly. Busy weekend planned?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 19 01:28:25 2018 [Edit/Delete]
home at last!

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 19 01:14:31 2018 [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

From the founding of the US till around WWI, the tariff was the major source
of federal revenues. Additionally, Republicans favored high tariffs as a way
to protect American industries.1

I believe there may have been a lowering of US tariffs during the 1920's, a
time when the US economy was doing quite well.2 The 1929 US stock
market crash was followed by bank collapses across the developed world and a
trade war leading to the Great Depression.

Producing the military goods and services needed to fight and win WWII jump-
started the US economy.3 Some business and government folks -
"the elites!" - worried that after the war ended the economy would fall back
into a slump. Seeking to prevent or mitigate this, the elites created rules
and international economic institutions they hoped would promote economic
prosperity and prevent economic depressions.

- Bretton Woods was the name for the monetary system. All major currencies
were fixed in value to one another and the dollar was fixed in value to gold

- The General Agreement on Tariffs & Trade was the mechanism for
liberalizing trade.

- The International Monetary System's purpose was to help countries with
short-term cash flow problems (original purpose)

- The World Bank's charter was to help countries' economic development

At the end of WWII, the US was the only country in the world with any
significant industrial capacity. The dollar was valued, not because you
could exchange it for $35 worth of gold, but because you could get real
economic goods - food, tools, machines, vehicles, services - that could not
be had from anywhere else.

Being so dominant, the US had little use for tariffs. Who could compete with
us? Moreover, most US economic activity was domestic. We were an island
continent. However, there was the USSR and it was seen as a threat.
Europeans were still starving in 1947. The Marshall Plan was designed to get
Europe back on its feet, because a strong Europe would be able to help in
its defense and would provide business opportunities for the US. Similar
thinking went behind US actions towards Japan. Essentially we believed
countries that were economically well off were better for the US than
countries than were not. We were willing to open US markets to other
countries to make that happen.

The flip-side is that as European countries and Japan rebuilt they became
serious economic competitors. The Bretton Woods fixed exchange rates no
longer recognized the new realities. In 1971, Nixon took the US off the gold
standard and by 1976 the world was experimenting with different forms of
floating currencies (I'm leaving out the oil shock of 1974).

The stagflation of the 1970's reflected the changing distribution of
economic power in the world. Since tariffs were still frowned upon, some
countries turned to non-tariff barriers (NTBs) such as quotas.4
For economics, as a discipline, the seventies were a time for rethinking.
One school found a home with the Reagan administration - deregulate and
liberalize (though they may not have used this word, because of its
political associations).

Skipping through the 80's to 1991: The USSR dissolves itself being replaced
by Russia and a number of new sovereign countries. We won, so some
proclaimed. As Francis Fukuyama would predict - the end of history will see
all countries as market democracies. To many, market democracies should be
open to one another through the exchange of goods and ideas.

Countries did open up to trade (CHINA!). They also opened up to capital
flows. They opened up to direct foreign investment. Modern computers and
telecommunications made it possible for production lines and supply chains
to be disassembled and deployed across the world to where ever you could get
the desired specs for the lowest price. Cheap petroleum allowed ships and
airplanes to move everything around.

And then there was automation and digitalization - another post.

If one is focused on perceived abuses of trade as the cause behind the
decline of American manufacturing and the loss of American jobs, then you've
missed what's really happened.

More later. *g*

1 There were likely attempts to lower tariffs during this time,
but the high tariffs were a central pillar of US international economic
policy during these years, i.e. half of our history.

2 A more important reason for the economic prosperity was the
introduction of new technologies - radio, automobile, and electricity.

3 An example of the sort of fiscal spending Keynes proposed.

4 An example is the US forcing Japan to a quota on the cars they
could export to the US. One way Japan responded was to move some of the
manufacturing to the US - which is one reason Japanese cars are manufactured
in places like Tennessee.


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Maverick says:
(Fri Jan 19 00:02:45 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Fred "Rubber" Band.

Agent Cooper: Whoever said that about the Pakistani bricklayer does not understand Free Enterprise. Free Trade Globalism must be like One World Government tyranny with a Marxist dictator or something. I don't know of anyone who wants that. A Red Herring?

Agent Cooper2: My Snowblower is temperamental; BUT we have Snow Pushers here in Michigan (we never had them when I lived in Pennsylvania) that make quick work of fluffy snow.

2017 Fake News Awards


Where Do You Go?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 18 23:40:47 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Off to a bit of a dinner right now...

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 18 23:29:30 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

category: Music
Question: Who was the lead singer in the J. Geils Band?
Answer; Peter Wolff

Trivia Master: Agent Cooper! You weren't fooled by my trick question!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 18 21:40:33 2018 [Edit/Delete]
(Willow, stands up and turns form the grave; she sees Jared waking up, notices the flowers. She reaches out and touches them)

W: Okay, spray of purple jacaranda for mourning, white rose for her pure heart, red carnation for admiration, yellow rose for friendship (pauses) amaryllis, unsurpassed beauty, red rose, passion. Is there, uh, anything you want to tell me here?

J: First, Wil, could you promise not to turn me into a n artichoke?

W: (eyes flash, just enough to notice) Not funny, Milik, and I *don't* promise. Give.

Agent Cooper wolfguard And I so liked that scene of Dawn picking up a remote and the door opens and the courier walks in and says "You have just been served," and elaves.

Of course, Buffy can limp over tot he door, all the while listening to Cordy describe her vision, hand the package to t Dawn who opens it all w hile the convo is going on. In fatc, that is more beleiveable as the lead-in to "Are those what I think they are?" than the courier, because Buffy has seen the sender's name and address.

white wings To quote the Buffster herself, "funny thing, when you change the world, the world's all different." Or, when you set up a representative body with authority to pass regulations, they pass them.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jan 18 18:11:09 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Peter Wolf. But I had to google it. In my defense, I knew it wasn'g Geils, because I remembered that the singer (Wolf) had a couple of solo songs that I really liked. "Dancing in the Dark" and "Come as you Are." Go to youtube and check out the video for "Come as You Are". Wolf jumps up and down and hops through the entire video, and it looks like one complete take with no breaks. I wish I had that kind of stamina even 10 years ago.

White Wings: I award you 1 gazillion Bronze points for working a weirdly relevant Tolkien reference into that post.

Daddycatalso: Look man, I'm telling you: Conveyor Belts.

-The vampire struggled mightily to escape, but found he could only run in place as the conveyor belt pulled him relentlessly, inexorably towards a grinning Faith and her pointy wooden stake....

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 18 15:44:07 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

category: Music
Question: Who was the lead singer in the J. Geils Band?

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white wings says:
(Thu Jan 18 15:30:11 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jan 19 02:47:34 2018
Agent Cooper - Sounds about right for globalism in general. All run by
an elite, and they would not share power.

One Pact to rule them all, One Pact to find them. One Pact to bring them all,
and in the darkness bind them.

DaddyCatALSO - A lot might have depended on the intentions of the
various current or future leaders to use it in that way, evading the wishes of the people they "led", of course for their own good. The British didn't decide to join the EU to have their snacks and tea kettles regulated from Brussels. They wanted trade. It would be a ticking time bomb at best.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 18 15:25:59 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I know all the involved documents I got came through the mail; I guess I'm just using the old "you have just been served" dramatic scene convection, but I doubt that applies to divorces anymore in most states.

white wings I recall that when certain EEU restircitosn on ingredients like Nutra-Sweet and others went into effect, a n entire class of popular snack foods in the UK ceased to exist because their recipes were now.

There was lot of talk about TPP making local environmental rules unsustainable

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jan 18 15:19:50 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, January 18th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!

Dru in LA

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Arsineo, CJ, Dru in LA, Daisy, JustLiza, Misty13!

I love the smell of desperate librarian in the morning. Snyder, 'Gingerbread'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 18 14:28:39 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay everdawn!

Happy CD Thursday!

Agent Cooper Ha! That's not a bad quote on Free Trade.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jan 18 14:15:40 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Thoughts on Alien Robots:

Eli Turnbull, INS Agent : If they are in fact aliens from another planet, sir, doesn't that make them Air Force jurisdiction?

Gorman Seedling, INS Deputy Commissioner : If they're just visiting, sure. But the minute they try to work here, they're mine.

Thoughts On Snow:

Had some snow yesterday, so I had to clear my driveway last night. Light, fluffy snow but it was about six inches deep so I got the snowblower out. Vrroooommm!!

Thoughts On Free Trade:

"The aim of Free Trade Globalism is for every worker in the world to have the same standard of living as a bricklayer in Pakistan." - Paraphrased. Forgot who said it. But still QFT.

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jan 18 13:04:56 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for everdawn!

yay everdawn!

Happy CD Thursday!

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white wings says:
(Thu Jan 18 05:27:31 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay belmont!

Happy Birthday Baby Chill, Cynster, Dragonlady, Kim!, Lyndsay, VT, and godsunderling!

lostinamerica - I hope you got the driveway shoveled. It's been many long years since I had to do that, and I do not miss it. I would be glad to give up winter for an early spring, although I have to remember that our winters are usually followed by summer in short order, and that is not totally desirable.

I watched Buffy from the beginning, although I had to tape it, because it always aired on a night when I was 20 miles south of town feeding horses. It was a time when I was not interested in many of the new shows, and was desperate enough to tape something called Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm not sure what initially grabbed me. I remember thinking that Tony Head would add a touch of class to the show, just as Patrick Stewart did for ST:NG. Later, I became a shipper, but that didn't happen until about ep 6. *g* I was too old for high school to be reawakening trauma, and there wasn't that much to reawaken. There was just something about the interactions. As you said earlier, lightning in a bottle.

wolfguard - No, I am not going to try wading through that stuff. Life is short. I know that "free trade" has never protected US products from being slapped with taxes (not tariffs) in other countries so high that you have to be pretty determined to get hold of them. For that matter, the same thing has happened with not-"free trade", so that you have tariffs and taxes. There's a treaty, cheap goods flow into the US, and expensive (at the destination) goods go out. It's been that way as long as I can remember. I didn't need Trump to tell me that. Bilateral agreements give more flexibility to alter agreements. There may be downsides, but we've tried it both ways and come out on the short end of the stick. If you get good deals with a lot of bilateral agreements and one really bad one to bring a lot of countries together, I say go with the smaller ones. I don't really see a downside.

"(other areas) environment, good governance (corruption), human rights, intellectual property, foreign investors, labor codes, neutrality regarding state-owned enterprises, others"

This made my hair stand on end. I've read that Obama used "economic" agreements to spread labor unions practices in Latin America. And I know there have been attempts to use the UN to impose gun control in this country. I see that paragraph not as something that will create much good anywhere, but as a way to creep in and control this country in ways it would not accept from its own legislatures. Like the EU trying to regulate the power usage of British teakettles (a regulation they delayed until after the Brexit vote, not wanting to upset the applecart). That alone makes me very glad Trump backed out of it.

Trump's 5000 pages may depend on the font and/or the way it was printed. Or it may have been hyperbole. But it sounds rather like Obamacare. You know, we'd have to be regulated by TPP in order to find out what's in it. *g*

None of that seemed to be directed at controlling China's expansionist tendencies. If that was supposed to be an unspoken effect, I do not think it would have succeeded. I point again to the Iran nuke deal to demonstrate that the people negotiating TPP were not particularly to be trusted.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 18 04:00:47 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sorry for the lack of postiness!
Someone is being wrong on the
internet (but not the beta!)

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 18 03:35:47 2018 [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Google "Trans Pacific Partnership text". The first result that comes up is
"full text" at the website of the Office of the US Trade Representative.

"Free Trade" is what happens when economic decisions reflect economic
factors. Remove "national" from International Economics and what you would
have is economic geography, perhaps with a bit of cultural factors affecting
the mix. In reality politics plays a role, usually a dominant one. From
government's point of view, international trade is too important to be left
to business folks. Thus governments use tariffs and non-tariff barriers to
control or influence economic activity so other domestic objectives can be

There is no guarantee that the individual international economic programs of
the countries of the world will work smoothly. Often times they do not. So
now and then countries try to work-out beneficial relationships and so we
have treaties, agreements on how the game will be played.

Bilateral agreements, by their nature, are only a step above (?) a world
without rules. Instead of ~100 countries trying to operate without some
rules of the world, you make have x number of dyads trying it. Japan may be
playing chess with the US and bingo with Brazil while Brazil is playing
checkers with the US who is playing horse shoes with France. Multilateral
trade agreements are an attempt to get most players are the same sheet of
music. It's not easy.

Before going on to the TPP (Transpacific Partnership) I'm going to insert an
excerpt from Wikipedia's article on "Free Trade"

There is a broad consensus among economists that protectionism has a
negative effect on economic growth and economic welfare, while free trade
and the reduction of trade barriers to trade has a positive effect on
economic growth.[1][2][3][4][5][6] However, liberalization of trade can
cause significant and unequally distributed losses, and the economic
dislocation of workers in import-competing sectors

From here on unless specified, all the following comes from Wikipedia's
article on the Trans Pacific Partnership. My comments will be in

- 18,000 tariffs were cut. ~ All tariffs on US manufactured goods and most
tariffs on US agricultural products were cut ~, i.e. US goods would be
cheaper to foreign importers who were members of TPP.

(other areas)
environment, good governance (corruption), human rights, intellectual
property, foreign investors, labor codes, neutrality regarding state-owned
enterprises, others

- Pharmaceuticals - Economist Paul Krugman believes tighter patent laws will
allow corporations to gain advantages over consumers. Pharmaceutical
companies say TPP too lenient with intellectual property.

Investor-State - Investors will have the right to sue governments (members
of TPP) for treaty violations. Example: If an investor believes country A is
breaking a treaty provision then investor can sue country.

(I remember some Republicans/Conservatives saw this as a lost of US
sovereignty. In the spirit of bipartisanship, so did some

Of this, Jeffrey Sachs said it gave huge power(s) to investors and damaged
countries' judicial systems (I remember Sachs as a development economists)

(Some critics of the TPP)

Senator Elizabeth Warren

Joseph Stiglitz (Economist, Nobel Prize winner) ~ "serves interest of the

Paul Krugman (Economist, Nobel Prize winner) ~ no compelling case for it,
globally or nationally

Noam Chomsky (Early life major figure in Linguistics, later life Social
Critic) ~ maximizes profits and dominance (of owners) sets working people
against each other lowering wages

Donald Trump ~ 5,000 pages so complex nobody's read it (the full text
numbers each chapter separately. I checked the pages for a few chapters and
multiplied a sample across the chapters - not 5,000 pages. OTOH there are
appendices, etc.)


US International Trade Committee ~ TPP will benefit US unskilled labor by
25%, skilled labor by 41% and business owners by 34% (WARNING - I didn't
write down what is increasing by those % *G*)

CATO Institute (Libertarian think tank)

- 15 chapters liberalizing (context - liberal means promoting free trade,
limiting government interference)

- 5 chapters protectionist (the treaty is organized by "chapters")

- 2 chapters neutral

- net liberal effect (again liberal meaning moving towards free trade)

1 With the unspoken assumption that the tariffs/NTB will actually
work to achieve objectives

I'll add additional comments in a later post. *g*


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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 18 01:38:38 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 18 01:39:41 2018
"Alien Robots"?


"Alexandre" reads familiar.

White Wings,

Read, will ponder and reply later. *g*


I watched a couple seasons of Homeland. I do not remember why I
stopped watching it.


How important is it to your story that the courier actually come inside? If
all the courier is doing is delivering the package, then you're probably
using the reader's time to no benefit.

"Dawn! Package!"


I remember seeing "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" list in newspaper's TV guide. I
had seen the movie, so discounted the show. Caught a scene of the Master and
his bumpy faced minions and thought, "high camp", and again discounted the
show. And then I saw Never Kill a Boy on the First Date - first

I liked the characters. I liked the humor. The back and forth between Giles
and the Bronze and everyone in the morgue came across as a 60s's hijinks
adventure. But it was the ending that set the hook when Buffy had to push
Owen away and then she shared her feelings with Giles. ~ You and Willow and
Xander know the score. He (Owen) wants to be danger man. He wouldn't last a
day in my world. GILES You did slay the annointed one CUT TO The Master
greeting the boy (annointed one).

Warnings & Indicators: Deer in the Lawn


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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 18 00:31:50 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I completely forgot about trivia today!!

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 17 23:19:42 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan--There are a lot of shows I've liked, watched, but then didn't stick
with until the end--at some point, the story lines got repetitive or silly and I
just stopped caring. Why didn't I do that with BTVS and
ATS? When BTVS came along I was already a mother of four, time was
a precious commodity, why did I religiously videotape it every week? Could it be
that BTVS and then ATS had not only an interesting concept but also
great writing and acting, with emphasis on great writing--sure, some
episodes weren't great, but there was always something in them, some hook, that
kept me watching, something other shows were never able to do. I would be
interested in other shows for a season or two, but by season three, certainly by
season four, I was no longer interested.

Actually, there was one other show I watched to the end that went on longer than
the seven seasons of BTVS, and that was X-Files. I'll have to
think back on it more to see if there were any others.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 17 21:40:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper And again, who had a conveyor belt in their living room in 2014?:-).

B: ARe those what I think they are?

D: Yeah, sis, divorce papers

B; Sometimes instead of a vampire slayer I wish I'd been chosen as a pr....

D: Buff! Not in front of the k-I-d-s.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 17 21:09:50 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Daddycatalso: As anybody who's watched the Jetsons would know, the future is all about conveyor belts.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 17 20:33:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe It *was futuristic*, but now it's 4 years ago and remote control door opener still aren't a thing in the 'burbs. And like I said, dawn is too big to want to move (plus she's saving up her energy for her med school graduation later that day. I suppose they could have an intercom (RadioShack s old those) and Buffy, once Dawn says it's okay, distractedly goes over and opens the door but it doesn't really register until she sees Dawn being serve d the papers

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 17 20:10:46 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Wow! I never thought of it like that. Holy Crap, THAT is DEEP.

Mind. Blown.

We need Wolfguard to weigh in on this. Except he doesn't come out of the Wolfguard Cave till darkness falls. He's like the Night Cabbie of Bronze posting.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 17 19:54:24 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Hey! I just
had a thought! Aren't robots
already aliens?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 17 19:51:06 2018 [Edit/Delete]

Robot Aliens?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 17 19:46:03 2018 [Edit/Delete]

1. Dockers make their pants in other colors besides khaki. The real question is...why?

2. Have the courier jump from an airplane and skydive down the chimney. If you need to work in some explanation for this, say it has to do with aliens.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 17 18:35:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO If you're not sure how you will react to polyester, maybe you can get a smaller piece of clothing, a glove or sock that is made of polyester and give that a try? if you don't react to it, the pants should be ok.

When you talk about futurist, you might make the courier a robot or something. Tracking people or things is pretty common already, so you can just amp that up more.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 17 17:47:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Two Appeals For Advice From the Group

1-real-world issue; I have some Christmas money and was thinking of spendign some on polyester slacks from the Haband catalog, they're on sale. The ya re colors I could use, sicne Dockers really just sells desert sand slacks and I already have two pair of those. It's just been a while since I've worn polyester and am concerned about how my skin will react.

2-Question About a Fic: I first roughed out my fic about the birth of Dawn's twins in 2003. It's set in 2014 so I wanted to try to be logically futuristic. Dawn is living with Buffy and Angel a nd the kids since her jerk husband ran off; she's also 9 months pregnant and doesn't want to get off the couch when she doesn't have to. And Buffy is on the phone with Cordelia about something important.
When a courier form a law firm rings the doorbell. So, I futuristicall=y decided they had a monitor from which they could see wh ow as at the door and also a remote control set up so Dawn can just push a button to let the guy in.
Given the situation a s described, how should I get the courier into the house?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 17 15:31:31 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica: I got hooked on Buffy when I stumbled upon a summer re-run while channel surfing (remember when people used to do that?) after a very, very bad day at work.

At the time I was living in an apt that had no laundry facilities, so I had brought my clothes to my parents house to wash them. I was in a terrible mood, contemplating my lousy job situation and listlessly flipping cable channels to pass the time till my wash was done. I randomly landed on BTVS, a show I'd heard about but never watched. It was just starting, and nothing else looked interesting so I stuck with the Buffy show. The ep was "Inca Mummy Girl" and I was instantly hooked after the first 5 minutes.

I think maybe it was the fact that the show drew me in so much that for 60 minutes I was totally absorbed in the show and completely forgot the issues with my job.

That's what a good story is supposed to do, make you forget your troubles and take you someplace else for a little while. Buffy and Angel definitely do that for me.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jan 17 15:00:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, January 17th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

Baby Chill

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Baby Chill, Cynster, Dragonlady
Kim! Lyndsay, VT, godsunderling!

So, how was your summer? Mine was fun. Saw some fish. Went mad with hunger. Hallucinated a whole bunch. Angel, 'Deep Down'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 17 14:51:46 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan--Well, if you want to
talk about Buffy and Angel, talk
about Buffy and Angel--the posters
determine what's discussed on the
board. Here's a topic: What was
it about BTVS and
ATS that hooked you? This
came to me as people were talking
about other shows and I realized
that nothing else has really
hooked me like both these shows
did, there has been no other show
that I couldn't wait for the next
episode, at least for a long
period. Was it that these shows
were relatively short, only 7
seasons for BTVS and 5 for
ATS? Cheers ran for
11 seasons, and I enjoyed watching
it until the end, but I didn't
have to watch every week.

I'll have to think on it.

As for politics on the board, it's
pointless--nowadays people are
entrenched in their positions and
we just have to agree to disagree.
In our own family we have people
on both sides and so we accept we
don't all agree and rarely discuss

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 17 14:40:08 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay belmont!

deadguy qod

Nope, regular school was hell enough, let alone Sunnydale High!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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Shan says:
(Wed Jan 17 14:15:25 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jan 17 14:16:04 2018
"... as part of his annual
Physical Exam."

As someone in the medical
profession who has the inside
track on how these are and aren't
done and what they mean ...


Remember when this place used to
talk about Buffy and sometimes

Those were the days ...

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jan 17 13:02:56 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for belmont!

yay belmont!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale high alumni association

would you have survived sunnydale high?

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 17 12:29:27 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings, ChristopherMarlowe--It's only mid-January and I'm ready for
winter to be over now :( *she says as she realizes today is the day she has to
shovel the driveway, as neither she nor her husband could get up it yesterday*

white wings--Occasionally the deer leave the woods behind our house, plop
themselves on the lawn and watch our house--it's very unnerving.

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Shan says:
(Wed Jan 17 08:32:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I bet you're talking about Kathryn
Alexandre who was Tatiana Maslany's
body/reaction double so she
wouldn't be acting against thin air
- and she was credited from
Season 2 as well as occasionally
playing a separate character.

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Maverick says:
(Wed Jan 17 08:28:25 2018 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO: Good thinking, and Lafayette WAS named an honorary citizen of the U.S., as was General Pulaski, for help in our Revolutionary War. Both after they had died (posthumously.) The other person named an honorary U.S. citizen while still living, though--hint--was a lady (I'm sure.) A good choice, methinks. Another hint--I saw an interesting movie about her titled "The Letters."

Doesn't anyone watch "Homeland"?

More Fake News Debunked: Despite a constant barrage of Lefty-Leaning Media Lies, President Trump has normal mental functioning, assessed by a Doctor as part of his annual Physical Exam.

white wings: Congratulations, I'd say you have normal mental functioning, too.


Reflections of My Life

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white wings says:
(Wed Jan 17 03:57:46 2018 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO - I don't care about reasons for sleet. *stomp* I just don't want it! And now it's all gone. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - You have my sympathy. I was eager to have the white stuff because it would be pretty and give a photo op, and it was predicted to disappear by the next day.

wolfguard - I lightly googled the TPP agreement (I have not attempted to find or read text and wouldn't have the attention span). *g* Since the first thing I hit with google was that it was a "secretive" agreement, I figured that the entire thing probably wasn't available anyway. It's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-)

If the TPP, finalized by the masterminds of the Iran deal and the policy of ignoring North Korea, was intended to somehow control the Chinese, the Chinese would be given control of the entire world in not too many years. *snort* OK, that's purely a personal opinion without facts, but I'm not sure that it's wrong.

I would guess that Trump looked at the TPP and figured that as usual it was intended to gut the US economy as an effort to bribe the others to pretty please do what we'd like them to do. I would also guess that he figured he could make better arrangements for trade individually and be able to deal with China in his own way, and the others would back him if it was working. I would guess that because he said a lot of it. I also make that guess because I am certain that in China he's dealing with a leader who will only respect someone who can show that he is also a strong leader, and who will not respect a babbling committee of nations.

I have not the slightest idea if he will succeed. What I really fear is that if he is able to do anything with China, it will all fall apart with his successor. But I give it a better chance than whatever mealy-mouthed track we were on.

History may have to judge, unless we are able to see better results sooner.

China's one-child policy appears to have been changed to a two-child policy. Not a total 180. Apparently it was mostly enforced in densely populated areas, anyway. But they discovered, as you pretty much stated, that they were caught between an overpopulation and a created inability to make more population for the future. Oops.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 17 03:48:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Middle school as purgatory? I don't know a lot about this age group as a
viewing audience. Power Rangers? Years ago, one person in the publishing
industry said adults were then reading fairy tales and children were reading
more real-life horror stories. I do not remember the reasons she gave for


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 17 03:33:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I wasn't necessarily thing of
replicating the storylines. But a
more junior level plot like first
kiss? Monster under the bed.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 17 02:42:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I think it was best having older teenagers. Imagine a 13-14 year old Buffy
being courted by Angel. Imagine Innocence featuring 14 year old Buffy
losing her virginity to Angel. Besides, several teachers have told me
middle-school students are the toughest age group to manage. They're like
demons. *g*


I just get annoyed by people spouting probabilities without any firm
foundation for doing so. *g* As to speculative stuff, I like thinking
sasquatches are out there, in the deep woods. I certainly know some pilots
see flying objects that baffle them (but I don't think such objects are
alien visitors).

As to the US' stance towards the European War, 1939-1941, we were doing more
than most Americans were aware. Around 1939 the US set up the Neutrality
Patrols under or through which we were providing escorts to Britain-bound
convoys as far as Iceland. In October 1941, two months before Pearl Harbor,
two US destroyers were sunk by German U-boats (USS Kearney and USS
Reuben James


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 17 00:48:23 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I wonder if Buffy could have been set in middle school, rather than high school.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 16 23:23:49 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the substitute science teacher in 'Teacher's Pet'?
Answer: Mr. French

Trivia Master: DaddyCatALSO!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 16 19:27:45 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings I wish this wet and white stuff would just go away for a little while!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jan 16 17:58:45 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jan 16 18:11:05 2018
Trivia Girl Ms. French

Maverick I would assume (ie. by not looking it up) the Marquis de Lafayette (thinking about either of those men always chokes me up a bit.)

white wings Oh, yes, I figured what you meant by balls on horns quite quickly, it just took me a second or three. I do *not* want to think too much about the burnt orange.
Thinking about the American population, if I find my magic lamp and wish us to New Earth, underlocal safe harbor laws many if not most hospitals will find either a squad of 3-4 boys and 5 girls or a team of five girls left as newborns.

ETA: Sleet? Well, obviously there is an above-freezing layer above the freezing air so it was rain for a while.

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white wings says:
(Tue Jan 16 17:18:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay sassyeggs!

Happy Birthday BuffySummers, friday, Library GRRRL, Mayor Wilkins, Mogwai, OzLady's Mommy, $l@ye, and Swingchickee!

Sleet. It's 26 degrees. Why isn't it snowing?

Just for once, they closed State offices before the icy stuff hit, and then the weather actually hit. A rare synchronicity of events.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 16 16:22:33 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the substitute science teacher in 'Teacher's Pet'?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jan 16 15:09:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, January 16th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!

Library GRRRL
Mayor Wilkins
OzLady's Mommy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BuffySummers, friday, Library GRRRL
Mayor Wilkins, Mogwai, OzLady's Mommy, $l@ye, Swingchickee!

Oh, at first it was confusing. Just the idea of computers was like whoa! I'm eleven hundred years old! I had trouble adjusting to the idea of Lutherans. Anya, 'I Was Made To Love You'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 16 14:45:39 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay sassyeggs!

Probably Xander, he's the one who has the most extensive driving experience, outside of Giles.

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jan 16 13:49:19 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - was just driving back to Pittsburgh in the snow.


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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jan 16 13:42:39 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for sassyeggs

yay sassyeggs!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale driver's training - defensive and offensive courses

buffy, as we saw, was a terrible driver in her youth - which scooby would you want driving your car in the snow and ice?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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Maverick says:
(Tue Jan 16 06:39:53 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Re: geology on Mars, I think you're becoming a tad obsessive/compulsive about this. I treat things like this like I treat Horoscopes, etc.--for entertainment purposes. Yes, I think if they had geology experts who would weigh in, I think they would have quoted them.

Wolfguard, Comma: I went to see "Darkest Hour" the other day and thoroughly enjoyed it and Gary Oldman's performance, although I look forward to the DVD and being able to turn ON the English Subtitles. Churchill has always been a favorite British hero of mine (as was Margaret Thatcher.) It seems we really left England twisting in the wind, early before WWII, because of our Neutrality Acts which stopped the U.S. from helping Britain in their time of need (like when they needed to get their soldiers off the beach at Dunkirk.) Anyway, there's this unforgettable scene where Churchill calls President Roosevelt and asks him for help but Franklin D. explains his hands are tied because of the U.S. Neutrality Acts, BUT if there were some airports close to the Canadian border they would bring the planes (that England had already bought and paid for [from us--well, we lent them the money]), and that the Canadians could bring some horses [evidently the Acts prevented mechanized help] and pull the planes across the border. Fascinating--didn't happen. Well, many years later Churchill was voted, by an Act of Congress, an Honorary U.S. Citizen (his mother had been an American.) This was while Churchill was still alive. Of the 8 people named honorary U.S. Citizens, only one other was named while still alive. Trivia Question: who was this other non-posthumously declared honorary U.S. citizen?

I also saw, recently, "The Shape of Water" and hated it--fell asleep during it--and consider it may even be a worse movie than "Deadpool." Too contrived and predictable. Nothing to think about.


Theme from "Taxi Driver"

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 16 04:53:05 2018 [Edit/Delete]

The business analogy would certainly be one way to continue the story. From
"high school is hell" to "work is hell". For one of the anniversaries of
BtVS, I sketched out ~10 additional seasons. After awhile it just becomes a
cycle of things coming together, things falling apart. Sunrise,
. OTOH...


Both James Bond and Sherlock Holmes have been played by multiple actors and
succeeded. I imagine the same could be done for Buffy and company. One
question is whether you go back and re-imagine the high school / college
years or begin where Chosen ended, or jump somewhere beyond. If you
jump far enough, you might consider using new characters. It has worked for
the Star Trek franchise.

I think going back to high school poses a risky decision: How much can or
should you redo the major turning points - Angelus, the Mayor, Glory, The
First? It'd be like asking - Should we rewrite Hamlet, Romeo & Juliet, King
Lear, etc. For my own fanfic, I started immediately after Chosen and
took it through where the comics began. I believed there were interesting
stories to tell in how Buffy would deal with the situation she and Willow
created - all those slayers. Joss said as much in the final scene of
Chosen, he just chose not to go down that path. Instead he began with
her new organization up and running. Lost opportunities, Joss, lost
opportunities. *g*


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white wings says:
(Tue Jan 16 04:35:32 2018 [Edit/Delete]
ergo sum - As I was wishing you a happy birthday, I thought of you having an orgy of (two step) cake mixes, with strawberries on the finished product, and hoped you were doing it again. And so you are! You are right, I do like the white icing best. For family events, I've given up on the 7 minute frosting that my mother and I loved, that was like divinity, and was so fashionably non-fat back in the day. My brother is fonder of the powdered sugar/butter/milk variety. I do like that as well, and it's faster. Since we share a birthday, I might as well please both of us.

I nearly lost access to the two step mixes, but the HEB stores here picked it up. The process seems to migrate around from chain to chain, and only one ever has it at a time. But it's the same mix, they just change the store brand on the box.

lostinamerica - True. Our winter storm should be over by tomorrow evening, and we will be out of the freezer by Wednesday sometime. In the meantime, however, they've closed the State Offices. We were all devastated. ;-) This is certainly an odd winter. I've known it to snow twice in one year before, but this year it will have snowed three times! Perhaps not a lot of snow, but snow. I have some pictures taken at night from my back porch. When I look at the picture I see eyes in the dark that I hadn't noticed when standing there. The local deer are probably most annoyed that I am disturbing them. *g*

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 16 04:20:09 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jan 16 04:52:16 2018
wolfguard There was a new Life with Archie comic series that was revived in 2010 after the original run ended in 1991. That run ended in 2014 with the spoiler you mentioned. Since that time, they have added new titles that update, modernize or take the characters in considerably darker directions. I think it was the new take on Archie that spurred the current Riverdale. They do still print the 'classic' Archie comics, however.

So while they could have easily had new characters, having the Archie name to it definitely was the hook. After all, Archie has been in a triangle with Betty and Veronica forever and had quite a few other memorable characters they could play around with.


New Releases/Archie

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ergo sum says:
(Tue Jan 16 03:45:26 2018 [Edit/Delete]
OMG How lovely! Thank you Birthday Gnomette
for doing the remembering.
After a day of birthday stuff I had time to bake
two Angelfood cakes(the hard to find kind that
has two steps) to share. One with strawberries
and juice. The kind that comes in a rectangular
cardboard package with metal top and bottom
that I use a bottle opener to get to the
strawberries. And the other with white icing
(white wings fav)

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 16 03:10:26 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Orphan Black has an actor who is not listed in the credits. I do not
remember her name, but Tatiana Maslany spoke warmly of her. As I understood
it, she plays the other clones in the scenes where there are more than one
so that Maslany has someone to interact with. I'll look around for her name.

I remember the Archie comics, but barely remember if I ever read any
of them. I've seen four or five of the first season episodes. This comes
across as a Gothic mystery/High School series that could have been done with
new characters. I suspect the creator(s) chose to use the Archie characters
because they were known. They probably had an established audience and the
name recognition might draw in people, like myself, who were curious about
how the comic verse would be adapted. Truth be told, *g*, I only tried it
because a few bronzers touted it and a goddaughter wanted to try it.


((I believe Archie is murdered as an adult when he tried to
intervene to stop a fight?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 16 02:33:22 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I agree, very hard to forget the characters of Orphan Black, quite amazing since they were all played by the same actress!

I think the writers kind of lost their way in the wrapping up the final season, like they weren't sure where they were going.

Riverdale is quite the unusual show, torrid might be one way to describe it.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 16 02:13:34 2018 [Edit/Delete]

The authors do say it's unlikely the Martian pyramid was naturally-created; however, I didn't see anything in the paper that would help me assess their credibility. For now, they're just four people making a claim.

More in a bit.


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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 16 01:40:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I also drifted away from Agents of SHIELD, sometime into second
season or third season.

Mozarella Demon,

Thank you for the link to Eliza's letter.

I've seen three seasons of Orphan Black (maybe more - binge watched).
I've lost track of the storylines, but will never forget the characters.


This weekend began Riverdale and have enjoyed it. Over the past year
watched Psyche for the first time. Have seen three seasons of The
and plan to continue it.


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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 16 00:52:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: What award did MLK receive on October 14th 1964?
Answer: The Nobel peace prize

Trivia No Prize: AGent Cooper!

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jan 16 00:29:44 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay! buffyrat!

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jan 16 00:21:06 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Congrats to Mrs. Cooper, she must be thrilled--always great
to win a game like that :)

And why you think OldManFan would be here helping me cook dinner like a
good suburban housewife, I haven't a clue.

I will, however, make a note of it.

white wings--Hopefully it will only be for a few more days :)

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white wings says:
(Mon Jan 15 21:28:56 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay buffyrat!

Happy Birthday ergo sum, Faust's Accountant, Greetings Girl, and Jeff Pruitt!

wolfguard - Just found that I missed your last post to me. Brooding slowly.

DaddyCatALSO - Nope. *g* Real horns (no skull). I'm not even sure if they are "longhorn" horns, but they look like small/medium longhorn horns, and they do fit on my mantel underneath a western painting. Picked 'em up from a roadside seller that I'd passed regularly for years. One day my truck put on the brakes, turned around on the road, and stopped on the shoulder. It was meant to be. *g* I do have some little plastic longhorn figures. Picked them up at Tractor Supply to give to kids as needed - oh, who am I kidding? Nieces and nephews and friend's children have received a few, but I still have one or two tucked away. They are cute. Their ...portions... are not colored red. ;-) Around here, if they were colored anything it would be burnt orange.

lostinamerica - No kidding about the frozen tundra. It looks as though your weather will be going through the same wild gyrations as mine, only about 20 degrees colder.

Christopher Marlowe - From Saturday there's a regional affliction, that causes such temperatures to be treated as business as usual.

Aaargh, have to go elsewhere and pack away more Christmas and prepare pipes for freezing.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jan 15 19:16:46 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Maybe OldManFan did some black ops work for Lostinamerica and had to go underground is just busy with other stuff right now.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 15 17:57:37 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Not sure where OldManFan is, but

Yay buffyrat!!!

Goodbye Blue Monday!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 15 16:56:34 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper It looked like that one Saints guy ducked? And then fell, taking out another Saints player. I had no idea I had so many Vikings fans on my facebook feed.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jan 15 16:14:29 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The Corellian Cross.

Chris Marlowe: Yeah, I actually watched most of that game with Mrs. Cooper, who is a Vikings fan. I left the room a little before the Saints kicked their field goal, knowing I'd have to console sad wife when I got back, as the Vikings were finished.

When I came back 5 minutes later, the Vikes had won and Mrs. Cooper is overjoyed. I was probably just as shocked as Drew Brees was. That play was nothing short of miraculous. I had to watch the replay a few times to comprehend how that could have happened.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jan 15 15:49:08 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: What award did MLK receive on October 14th 1964?

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jan 15 15:30:23 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan Christopher Marlowe I watched the first ep. of *Lucifer*, wasn't thrilled, so didn't follow; watched the ep. with Charisma, saw how they'd developed the mythos, a nd was glad I wasn't following it.
Admittedly I have my own ideas about a Satan removed from Hell to Earth scenario and so tend to be very critical of such things.

white wings When you mentioned "longhorns on the mantle" and "red balls" my first thought was of small cattle figurines with a portion colored red....

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jan 15 14:57:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, January 15th 2018 C.E.
Martin Luther King Day!

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!

ergo sum
Faust's Accountant
Greetings Girl
Jeff Pruitt - Stunt Coordinator - S2-4

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ergo sum, Faust's Accountain, Greetings Girl, Jeff Pruitt!

Tracy: 'When you can't run, you crawl... and when you can't crawl, when you can't do that--' Zoe: 'You find someone to carry you.' 'The Message'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 15 14:44:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!

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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jan 15 12:46:10 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan--It's what Americans
know as football, since we call your
football soccer. Whenever I speak
with non-natives I call it American
football to differentiate the two.

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Shan says:
(Mon Jan 15 06:55:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Lucifer is too tonally different
IMO to be considered an analogue
for Angel.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 15 03:22:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan I watched Lucifer and SHIELD. Lucifer might be an analogue to Angel, if Angelus was the main character and was seeking redeption.

Agent Cooper I was watching the Saints/Viking game and never saw so many SKOLS! on facebook in my life.

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Shan says:
(Mon Jan 15 03:19:18 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I watch Lucifer so that's a total
of three shows for me (Agents of
SHIELD, Doctor Who and it).

I will admit that Lucifer has
always been fundamentally terrible,
though but it's second to Helix as
the best bad television I've seen
in a long while.

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Shan says:
(Mon Jan 15 02:26:09 2018 [Edit/Delete]
See also World Series.

Not a world series.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jan 15 01:20:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I'm watching Gotham, Stranger Things and
Riverdale. Thats about it for must see Tv for me.
Also started watching Hells kitchen again.

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Comma says:
(Mon Jan 15 00:46:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jan 15 00:47:31 2018
Shan: As someone who knows what off sides is in American Football, World Football, and in Hockey, please leave our game alone. We will call it what we want. In 2017 there were twenty-three countries that had at least one league of American type football. Very few Americans even know this, why it can be called 'football' is any player, who possesses the ball, can kick it away at anytime. I have only seen it done once, over the line of scrimmage, in all my years of watching and playing the game.


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Shan says:
(Sun Jan 14 21:44:51 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Whatever that thing they do in the
US is, that's not football.

Just saying.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jan 14 17:28:41 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, January 14th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

ittybittyslayette (Sara)
Mr. Emil
Roman Around

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angeloudi, ittybittyslayette, Mr. Emil, Roman Around, Theyoung1!

Do I wish I was somebody else right now. Somebody not... married, not madly in love with a beautiful woman who can kill me with her pinkie! Wash, 'Our Mrs. Reynolds'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 14 17:14:19 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta! Are you ready for some football?

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Shan says:
(Sun Jan 14 13:30:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
That reminds me.

Person of Interest.

Person of Interest was like Angel.
Quite a lot like it, actually.

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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jan 14 12:37:49 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan, ChristopherMarlowe, MozzarellaDemon, Ebdim9th, Comma--Tried a lot of
those shows, didn't stick--the only show I've kept up with is Mr. Robot.

And ixnay on the ebootsray, any of them--they're never the same or as good as the
originals, can't catch lightening in a bottle, unfortunately :(

Ebdim9th--Welcome back!

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Shan says:
(Sun Jan 14 06:03:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Oh no! How could I forget iZombie
and Orphan Black - I used to watch
the former (that guy who's almost
like Spike is almost like Spike)
and I watched all of the latter.

Good catches btw. Exactly what I
was looking for with that question.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 14 03:59:25 2018 [Edit/Delete]

Izombie is a pretty good Buffy
substitute. I don't think there is
one thAt matches angel.

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MozzarellaDemon says:
(Sun Jan 14 02:46:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Shan: in some respects Orphan Black was quite satisfying (in others less so, but it took risks and often succeeded, and Tatiana Maslany is utterly amazing); definitely the Jessica Jones series if season 1 is any indication; there is also a 2002 feature film called "Whale Rider" that I would recommend.

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buffyrat says:
(Sun Jan 14 02:13:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
fly by

Too bad Eliza Dushku wasn't a real

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Shan says:
(Sun Jan 14 01:02:01 2018 [Edit/Delete]
So, what's been everyone's Buffy
substitutes since it and Angel went
off the air?

On top of Agents of SHIELD,
Veronica Mars was another not
entirely dissimilar show to them.

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Jan 14 00:52:45 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Hiya CM! (greetings Shan also)

I lost track of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. quite a while back, though I liked it even from the first season ... I rewatched Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome, which was also from 2012, and I dunno, some of the special/digital effects didn't hold up as well as I thought they had in previous viewings .... (The Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. first season I think was in 2012)

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Shan says:
(Sun Jan 14 00:30:17 2018 [Edit/Delete]
A lot of people seem very happy
with Twin Peaks.

Obviously, it boils down to
whether it's done well or not
(well, duh!).

In the interim, Agents of SHIELD
seems to be filling the void
quite well, don't at least some
of you think? Who would have
thought it would go on to be so

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 23:59:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Comma, Shan I'm not sure of a remake. It is certainly long enough, but I'm not sure the show would have anything to say or be 'updated' to say anything now. Twin Peaks and X-Files may have been revived, but i'm not sure that was a good thing.

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Shan says:
(Sat Jan 13 23:12:11 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I always found True Lies just a
bit stinky. Yes, lets take a huge
30? minute detour from tracking
down terrorists with stolen
nuclear bombs to use that task
force to work out if my wife is
cheating on me. Thank goodness
the terrorists ended up turning
up to break up that mess.

Actually, now that I think about
it, if they hadn't done
that, wouldn't that mean their
plan would have worked because
no-one would have known where to
find them in time?

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Shan says:
(Sat Jan 13 23:01:23 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Why remake? Continuations are all
the rage (X-Files, Gilmore Girls,
Twin Peaks, Roseanne etc).

They could borrow a few ideas
from the comics, Buffy is now
like a CEO in charge of some
Slayer type outfit, the new young
kids on the block think the olds
are out of touch and then she
ends up teaching them something
about experience and shows them
how it's done.

Could even take it further to the
point where she doesn't even have
to get her hands dirty with
martial arty stuff and instead
leverage corporate power. So a
bit like Angel Season 5, then.

More like how real-life actually
works, too.

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Comma says:
(Sat Jan 13 22:44:03 2018 [Edit/Delete]
With all the talk about, and the actual remaking of several old TV series, 'Where is the remake of BtVS at?' If there is a remake of BtVS, 'Whom do all think should, or would, come back, in their role, from the original?'

Why do I feel that this question has been asked before?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 22:35:55 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th. Yo!

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jan 13 21:54:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Btw finally giving Tru Calling a watch after all this time (well I did see a few episodes on TV, but that was back when it originally aired... first epi had a slow start, abruptly kicked into gear about fifteen minutes in, and the second episode, started out strong, have to get back to it, got called away)

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jan 13 21:38:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
One way or another, I can never look at True Lies the same way again... ugh ....

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Shan says:
(Sat Jan 13 21:05:22 2018 [Edit/Delete]
If I didn't find a lot about True
Lies objectionable as it was,
learning about what happened to
Eliza Dushku on set is nothing less
than awful.

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:58:57 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Hmmm, nevermind about that deactivation, still here though ... :D

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MozzarellaDemon says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:53:30 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I just donated to the TIME'S UP Legal Defense Fund in her honor--I thought she'd be pleased if somehow, she found out that people were doing that.

Unfortunately my comment with her name in it didn't show up, but I'm glad I did it anyway.

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:40:05 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Apparently being a powerful figure in Hollywood wasn't enough for him, he had to target a twelve-year old ..... not like he was some mentally-ill guy wandering down the street making a grab at her as she walked by ....

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:32:25 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Mozzarella Demon Oh wow! Thank you for letting us know and Mucho support for Eliza!

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MozzarellaDemon says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:25:15 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Eliza Dushku's posting on Facebook this morning -- I just would like to express my complete support for her.

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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Jan 13 20:01:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe for personal reasons, had to deactivate my FaceBook account, so I'll stick my head in here and see what's up with you all everybody .....

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jan 13 15:57:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, January 13th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

ittybittyslayette (Sara)
Mr. Emil
Roman Around

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angeloudi, ittybittyslayette, Mr. Emil, Roman Around, Theyoung1!

Willow: You know what they say. The bigger they are... Anya: The faster they stomp you into nothin'. 'Blood Ties'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 15:50:59 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jan 13 12:15:26 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper, white wings--
No, I'm in Nashville, which is
currently playing the part of the
frozen tundra :(

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Maverick says:
(Sat Jan 13 05:37:22 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Well, I HOPE we find evidence of life or some kind of previous habitation by civilized "people" on Mars. I was a big fan of the TV serialization of Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles." I may CLING to any possibility, and pictures from the two Mars Rovers often suggest some kinds of relics. Yes, the only reason I thought you would find this conjecture interesting is that it DOES time and again say that the geological formation is unlikely. It doesn't have to be either/or, it could just be a fun speculation.


Turn The Beat Around

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 05:13:42 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, white wings I was at a meeting, so others were there. Since it was a pub type place, there weren't much options, either pizza and salad. Since I'm trying to change the diet a little, I opted for salad. Which was probably wiped about by the beer, but at least I wasn't as bad as I could have been. *g*

As far as temperatures? it's a Friday night, people will go out at those temps. I think it would have to hit below zero before people opt to stay home.

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white wings says:
(Sat Jan 13 04:04:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard - She's crazy? Since others were abroad, it must be a
regional affliction. *g*

*clutches head*


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white wings says:
(Sat Jan 13 03:56:07 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - In your temperatures, if a beer and a salad make
you feel warm and strong, have at it.

I have just finished fixing a data mess at work caused by someone with far too
much power for his current understanding of the system, who sent me a hapless
email at the end of the day on a day when I allegedly am not working. I think I
fixed it. It's much better, anyway. He will learn, but for now I have a
headache and a strange desire to crawl in bed. *moan*


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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 13 03:54:39 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Just checked current temperature in Rapid City,

3 Degrees F?!?!

Why would anyone be away from home? *g*


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 02:58:00 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Home!

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 13 02:56:54 2018 [Edit/Delete]

Read the first ~eight or nine pages of the article on the Martian pyramids.
Basically intro and descriptive material. Skipped to their conclusions, one
of which read ...

~ While there are known geological mechanisms that are capable of creating
and destroying the individual triangle faces presented in this formation,
the natural creation of a three-sided pyramid seems to go well beyond the
probability of chance ~

After reading this I went back and checked the pages between where I stopped
reading and the conclusion to see what they had written about such natural
geological processes. Around page 13 they reference geologist (?) Edwin Kite
and two models for how ~Martian mounds might have developed.

Back to the last part of the quoted sentence ...

~ the natural creation of a three-sided pyramid seems to go well beyond
the probability of chance

I added the underlining, because the authors haven't explained how they
calculated the probability. They just make the claim. They may believe it,
but people are notoriously poor estimators of probabilities.

If I were to go further researching this I'd begin by learning about what
natural processes exist that can create such pyramid-like formations on
Earth and whether similar processes might exist on Mars.1

Since they began with Carl Sagan presenting images of the pyramid, I'll end
with a Carl Sagan quote: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary

1 I do not have strong credentials in this area. My knowledge of
geology is equivalent to a solid first year geology course with a few upper
division courses in environmental science. OTOH, I have owned several
telescopes and have a globe of Mars sitting in my library. *g*

I tried looking for C.J. Haas' background, but just found his association
with the ~Cydonian Institute which provides a website for those interested
in studying the Martian pyramid and similar structures.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 13 01:48:35 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Is it bad to have a beer and a

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 12 23:41:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper What shows are you currently watching?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 12 22:39:41 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I should be more posty, given I DO have more free time. But I find myself surfing the internet a lot.

At least I was productive yesterday...two webinars to watch and possibly joining another non-profit.

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white wings says:
(Fri Jan 12 22:38:42 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Safarigirl!

Happy Birthday Sarafarinephew!

lostinamerica - You too! You live in the land of ice and snow, don't you?

There's bright sunshine here, but in the shade it feels a bit chilly, and it may actually freeze several nights, especially next week. I suppose I could keep warmer if I took down my living room Christmas tree, but I'm still enjoying it. *sniff* I've taken down almost all the other decorations. Well, not the red balls on the longhorns on the mantel, those may be the last to go. *g*

Agent Cooper - You are a stern taskmaster! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow nor gloom of night nor loss of internet shall stay the Bronzer in his appointed posts?

" semi-substantive or at least coherent" sounds as if I put effort into it, instead of just trying to get my speling rite. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 12 22:23:38 2018 [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Countries looking to manage the world try to write the rules of the road.
The US did this after WWII - the UN, the World Bank, GATT, the Bretton Woods
system, etc. Circumstances change. Bretton Woods ended in the 70s. GATT was
replaced by the WTO. The UN Security Council's permanent members - US,
USSR/Russia, Britain, France, and China1 reflected the realities
of 1947. Over the decades power shifted. If the Council reflected the real
powers today we'd see a different Council. We don't, because it would be
foolish for a current permanent member to step down.

The Transpacific Partnership is/was an attempt to write the rules of the
road for the Pacific region. The US aimed to use the partnership to channel
or even constrain China's maneuvering space. Now that we're out, we have
less influence to do so. The irony is China might now use the partnership
for its ends.

Trade later,

China's one-child policy was conceived, *g*, and implemented when the
country was still universally poor and it feared a Malthusian future.
2 Now it's not so poor and facing a different demographic
nightmare. Policy reverse, 180.

1 The China of 1947 was still The Republic of China, the Comms
had not yet won the civil war.

2 I believe rural folks were allowed to have two children.


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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jan 12 21:28:11 2018 [Edit/Delete]
If I ever do find my magic lamp and wish us to New Earth, I considering a more modest expansion to the size of the planet. Just switch Mexico for India, and put Israel off of So-Cal

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 12 20:59:24 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Guys, this is a normal Bronze duty day. If you aren't going to turn in your daily quota of posts, please write up a report explaining why. Please include a workable action plan to achieve quota next time.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jan 12 17:35:55 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica - Oh yes, I'm warm. It's nearly 60F here in the Great White North. We're getting a nice January Thaw. Raining like anything right now and very warm. It's melting all the snow! But no worries, going back down to below freezing by tomorrow morning. We'll wake up to a region-wide ice rink. :-)

White Wings "now I have to make up something that sounds semi-substantive or at
least coherent."

Heck, that's like the opposite of what I do. It's a posting strategem that works well for a man of my cognitive capabilities.

Chris Marlowe: Fuzzy socks take precedence in every situation. At least during winter.

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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jan 12 16:28:18 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Safarigirl!

Hope everyone is staying warm!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jan 12 15:11:47 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, January 12th 2018 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Sarafarinephew!

I swear, one of these times, you're gonna wake up in a coma. Cordelia, 'Gingerbread'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 12 14:46:58 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay safarigirl!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jan 12 12:15:55 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for safarigirl!

yay safarigirl!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

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Maverick says:
(Fri Jan 12 08:55:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]

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white wings says:
(Fri Jan 12 05:39:10 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Early demands being different from desired (or acceptable) ends is Haggling 101. That a lawyer felt it was necessary to remark on Trump's use of the technique tells me that he must be really good at not telegraphing what he really wants, and possibly at manipulating the opponent into a suitable direction without the opponent understanding what is happening. To me that meant that he was probably using the technique all during the campaign, and that I couldn't take everything that he said literally. So I waited and withheld judgement (and hoped).

China wasn't part of the TPP? Well, now you know how much I actually know about it. *sulk* *google* Ah, that's a more benign group than I had feared, but it still includes some countries that have taken us to the cleaners on trade, and who cannot be trusted to not do it again. In fact, they could absolutely be trusted to do just that. Nevertheless, I don't believe that bunch of nations would ever provide a block of China's ambitions. They never have.

Yes, grow or die. Businesses or countries. Countries that don't provide their own population bring in others. It's happened here, in Europe, and elsewhere. But Trump didn't say he was against all immigration. He said he didn't want illegal immigration, and that he wanted to be careful of who was coming in legally lest we import our own terrorists. That seems reasonable to me. What people say of the trials and tribulations and cost of coming in legally tells me that the legal system is broken, and I've heard that all my life. That could be reformed. You probably remember that Bush tried to promote a guest worker program to deal with the labor situation, but was shot down. It didn't seem like such a bad thing to me, so long as we knew who was coming in. If the NSA can track every email, text, and phone call in the country, then someone else ought to be able to keep track of people. But those people wouldn't turn into Democrat voters, which may be why there was little support. *g*

- China actually limited their population because they couldn't feed themselves. If they want to grow, they just have to release some of those controls on numbers of children. They already have, I think. I have in the back of my mind that they will allow some people to have two children. I don't know if that is germane to the discussion at hand, but they could expand pretty quickly. Well, in 20 years.

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white wings says:
(Fri Jan 12 04:37:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jan 12 04:38:07 2018
Yay Allyson!

Happy Birthday 944, DrucillaFan, Eclipse, Fizzgig, Iro, Marc Blucas, and

Christopher Marlowe - All things are relative, but protein doesn't seem
so evil to me. It's the veggies that I need more of and loathe. Sadly, no
one is recommending carbs anymore. *sigh*

Note, hot chocolate isn't in the carb food group. It's one of those things
that can keep body and soul together. I just looked at your weather
*shudder*, and staying indoors with fuzzy things and hot chocolate means you
live to go to presentations another day.

wolfguard! You're back! I worried about you. Even if I'm not here
much it made me nervous that you weren't.

Oh, right, now I have to make up something that sounds semi-substantive or at
least coherent. I'll do that, but I just wanted to say you were missed. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 12 02:48:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Off your points...

- Trump (c): Absolutely. Based on observing his behavior over the years,
I've always thought his early demands were attempts to frame negotiating
positions. It's what many negotiators do.

- China was not a member of the Transpacific Partnership. It's a major
reason I view President Trump's stepping away from it as a strategic

- Economists often view economic growth as a function of population and
productivity. Both are nice, but the less you have of one the more you need
the other. Most western countries are aging.1 The old become a
burden on the young. The US has not experienced this as much, because of
immigration. If "The American Way" is a creed and not an ethnicity, then the
country is better served by helping immigrants become Americans.

- Trade will take another post. *g*

1 Both Japan and China are also aging. Some have said of China,
~they're in a race to develop before they become old.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 12 01:54:41 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Skipped the presentation to do hot cocoa and fuzzy socks.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 11 22:22:53 2018 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCAtALSO I do remember the Bronzer Cookbook, although I do not have a copy on hand!

May be offline for most of the night. Meeting and then attending a presentation.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 11 20:30:59 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Bugs me. I know I saw a TV movie, and I'm sure it was on CBS, in the 1977-79 time frame, set at a ski r esort. There's a scene where a Fderal employee uses explosions to try to head of an a valanche; of course it doesn't work, and he tells the lodgethey ought to cancel their festival. One of the guests at the lodge is married actress off with another guy, and she smokes; her arc ends predictably but goes through some unusual places. There's an ice skater doing an exhibition outside just a s the avalanche comes roaring down. And of course some people survive, but I cannot find the title of it in any kind of search.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 11 19:16:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Jobs where it would be an a ctual handicap plus others requiring cross-dressing? Both clev & er.

Christopher Marlowe I can see that; maybe "empowered Slayer" needs to be an affirmative action category, and I'm not entirely joking.
If you got one of the Bronzer Cookbooks I had about 4-5 chicken recipes of my own in there: Cordelia's Microwave Chicken Legs and Canned Potatoes, Buffy's High-Kickin' Legs o' Chicken, Bubbe Rosenberg's Dark-Meat Lover's Chicken Soup, and Fried Chicken Ravana.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jan 11 19:02:17 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Dots 'N' Dashes.

It sounds like a quaint craft store chain.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 11 15:52:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Communication
Question: What two elements comprise the Morse code?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jan 11 15:47:34 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, January 11th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

Marc Blucas as Riley Finn

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to 944, DrucillaFan, Eclipse, Fizzgig, Iro, Marc Blucas, Vickio!

What should I do, then? Send her a gift? Sacrifice? Unholy fruit basket?
Angel, 'Ground State''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 11 15:01:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay allyson!

Happy CD Thursday!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jan 11 12:00:35 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for allyson!

yay allyson!

Happy CD Thursday!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 11 05:02:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings I've been consulting a nutritionist, who told me I had to add a lot more protein in my diet, so I'm eating more chicken than usual, at least I know how to cook it decently. ;)

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white wings says:
(Thu Jan 11 03:50:19 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay deadguy!

Happy Birthday bec, Catmint, Isis Osiris, Kitty, and Starlette!

Christopher Marlowe - Smoked turkey leg and baked sweet 'tater with just
a smidgen of brown sugar. Pretty good, but thanks to the recent holidays, it's
probably not as exciting as your dinner. It seems like a continuation of
leftovers. ;-)

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 11 02:33:10 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Panko-breaded chicken breast tonight! With honey dipping sauce.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 10 22:12:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What Wolfram and Hart
lawyer first appears in the Angel
episode The Ring?
Answer: Lilah Morgan

Trivia Oh So Close: Agent Cooper!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 10 21:36:41 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Daddycatalso: Pottery maker? China Shop Clerk? Surgeon? Dude Skater in an Ice Skating Duo? Dude cheerleader?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 10 21:35:54 2018 [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO I'm trying to
imagine a potential/slayer taking a
job as a cashier. It's not so much
that super strength is a barrier,
but being able to control that in a
stressful situation might be

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 10 20:29:33 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunday I was watching TCM and *A River Runs Through It * came on and I noticed the character Chub was played by the actor who w as zombie gangbanger Bob in "the Zeppo." It was boring so I figured that was the right time to take my shower, then after I got back I s witched to METV; the actor who played gang boss Jack in that ep. was playing a similar (excpe t loner) character on *Touched By An An.gel*.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 10 17:46:53 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe I've never heard of a job where being unusually strong makes one *un*qualified.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 10 16:24:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Holland Manners

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jan 10 15:51:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, January 10th 2018 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!

Isis Osiris

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to bec, Catmint, Isis Osiris, Kitty, Starlette!

Don't you just love this party? Everything's so fancy, and there's some kind of hot cheese over there. Kaylee, 'Shindig'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 10 15:34:11 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What Wolfram and Hart
lawyer first appears in the Angel
episode The Ring?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jan 10 14:57:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: If you are unable to perform your normal posting duties, it's your responsibility to provide a certified, Bronze approved substitute.

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