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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Sep 27 18:09:29 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Da'Hoffryn.

Or...it's TOTH!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 27 17:31:46 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Finally this 'tailgate party' nonsense at work is officially over.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Sep 27 17:18:35 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Before walking away from the plane, Lois looked up at the windscreen in the dawn's light. With t he rain and the wind and the miles of flying, there was no chance she could still see any of Padraig's blood, but she felt she owed it to him to pretend.
"Well, he was flying too close to me," she thought, "he was being reckless,", carefully not letting herself think too clearly that, if he had not done that, she be in the North Sea, rounds from Messerschmitts embedded in the plane.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Sep 27 16:50:23 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe OldManFan And of course for Buffy and Angel's wedding, a s Woman of Honor, she wore a *mint* green gown. Since Wesley, a s Best Man, wore a tea green shirt and forest green cummerbund and tie, he was the only one of the gentlemen in the party to wear a black jacket; Angel, Giles, and Connor wore midnight blue, and Oz and Xander, partly at the insistence of Anya and Tara, wore morning grey



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Sep 27 15:08:33 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Willow (aggravated that she couldn't do the Marlene Dietrich tuxedo look).

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Sep 27 14:57:34 2016 96.87.54.73) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Willow



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 27 14:51:12 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was Xander's best man at his would-be wedding?



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Comma says:
(Tue Sep 27 13:51:08 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
The US Army was using the 'internet' in 1979. I first saw it in 1980. I had no idea what could be done with it. There were military organizations on it and a few choice civilians. There was even an antilog game, called 'DRY GUTCH', that we used to train persons on how to use the computer. Our systems came from PLATO in those days. Unlike, it seems, Hillary Clinton, we understood what was, and what was not, classified materials. I do not recall anyone sending anything classified in those days.

Comma



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Sep 27 13:19:40 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, September 27th 2016 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Julie
Paks aka Paksenarrion


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Julie, Paks aka Paksenarrion!



And boys -- let's watch the swearing.Mayor, 'Graduation Day (2)'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 27 12:54:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay glow boy!

deadguy qod

Oh definitely Anya. She might be a bit like trump with the word salad, but she is made of pretty stern stuff. I can see Cordy being sort of like Clinton, poised and sharp.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Sep 27 12:05:24 2016 68.53.101.208) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan--Sorry, should have
directed the below post to you!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Sep 27 11:56:57 2016 68.53.101.208) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Wow,
really? I guess it seems like the
Internet has been around forever,
how did we live without it?


Yay! Glow Boy!



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Sep 27 11:38:38 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Wow... I just realized that BtVS is older than Google. The site is celebrating its 18th birthday today.

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Sep 27 11:32:16 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for glow boy

yay glow boy!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the great sunnydale debate - how alive is the bbs?

which of the scoobies would have been the best debater?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 27 03:07:51 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I watched twice more during the final half hour. I doubt many people changed
their views on the two. I'm sure there were focus groups watching the debate
and I'd like to learn what those participants thought.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 27 02:55:00 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Of possible related interest, there's a video lecture on thermodynamics where
the professor shows heat transfer and heat capacity using a balloon and
match. He first blows up a balloon and then places a lit match underneath it
- BOOM. He then fills up a balloon with water and again puts lit match
underneath the balloon. No boom. Instead of the heat from the flame being
transferred to the balloon membrane its absorbed by the water.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 27 02:53:11 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I took a short break to watch the debate for about an hour...that is about as much as I could tolerate. It reinforced my thoughts about the candidates



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Sep 27 02:00:56 2016 74.76.189.4) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard RE explosives LOL!!!!
I see what you did there. ;-)

Chris Marlowe; Geez, that is a bummer. Hopefully
things will get back to normal soon. When I was in
the air force, I had to go through similar pain.
Whenever some bigshot general or senator
whatever was coming to our base we would spend
tbe week beforehand cleaning and polishing and
painting everything that moved. Then we'd have to
parade around in our dress blues all day. We
hated it. We used to call those things "dog and
pony shows."



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 27 01:53:03 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

It appears so shallow. *g*

Taking a short break from the debate.


KAM,

A free market economy is simply an economy without government intervention
which of itself is no guarantee that power will not become concentrated.
The only market structure that prevents power being concentrated is a
competitive market. A competitive market only arise when there are enough
consumers and producers to prevent any one alone from influencing prices.
A true competitive market also requires there be perfect information
available to all participants. It requires there be no barriers to
entering or exiting the market. These criteria rarely emerge together for
long. Consequently most markets involve actors with different degrees of
power and such power can be used to distort the market. It can used by
producers and marketers to take unfair advantage of consumers, workers,
and competitors. One of government's roles is to minimize such effects.

A democratic government can misuse its power, but the power possessed is
not so great as some believe.

First, most are not monolithic. The US federal government is deliberately
designed so power is divided. The 50 states provide corporations
opportunities for regulation arbitrage. And if none of the 50 states offer
a promising deal, a corporation has options overseas.

Second, while governments write the laws and regulations, here in the US
they often do so under the influence and guidance of those the laws will
affect and the regulations will guide. Politicians that are firebrands on
the podium often become students across the conference room table.

Third, money. The government may be able to "print money", but it doesn't
create money. The Fed and banks create money. What the government can do
is borrow money so long as there's someone willing to loan the money. And
this is all macro. Few government agencies or programs can count on a
blank check and science research is not one of them.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 27 00:43:56 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Everyone else but me. *g* My supervisors are into this, which is why I've been biting my tongue for the past four days at work!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 26 23:31:56 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Any cheerleaders?

*g*


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Sep 26 23:25:46 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Voting Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What did the 26th Amendment to the constitution allow?
Answer: for 18 year olds to vote

Trivia Constitutional Experts: OldManFan, notsoShyGirl, Comma
Trivia Newbies: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 23:05:26 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Sep 26 23:06:02 2016
wolfguard, Agent Cooper No explosives, just hot air.

A CEO is coming to our offices tomorrow and for the past FOUR days a significant chunk of the work day has been devoted to decorating the building from floor, walls and rooftop in a football theme. There are balloon arches across the cubicles in my area, with every square inch of cubicle space plastered with pictures, signs, newspapers (you name it) about football, football players, equipment, etc. etc etc.

I seem to be alone in trying to complete a project that is due by the end of the month and this nonsense is driving me batty.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 26 21:21:59 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What sort of explosives are you using on the balloons?

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Sep 26 20:24:28 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Wut?? Okay, this one you have to explain. Dish!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 20:15:49 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
It's an absolute madhouse at work. I've been drafted to blow up balloons, Grrrrr ARgghhh!!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Sep 26 19:53:39 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The in-alienable right to ride your bicycle naked on public roadways.



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Comma says:
(Mon Sep 26 15:53:50 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Trivial Girl: Voting age to 18.

Which means that one can vote at 18, but when your candidate loses you cannot legally drink alcohol. The 21 year old drinking age has stopped no one from drinking only from buying it legally.

Comma



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Sep 26 15:19:43 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Sep 26 15:22:35 2016
Trivia Girl - lowered the voting age to 18 in all elections.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Sep 26 14:59:36 2016 96.87.54.73) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
The 26th Amendment lowered the voting age from 21 to 18.


I'm a registered voter - I hope you all are, too.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Sep 26 14:56:52 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Voting Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What did the 26th Amendment to the constitution allow?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Sep 26 14:29:04 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
I have seen William Marshall in Demetrius And the Gladiators, Blacula, and his guest shot on The Jeffersons, and knew he was a marvelous actor. Did not realize until I saw him on Star Trek Saturday night, he was also a *big* guy.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 13:11:08 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, September 26th 2016 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Algerina - R.I.P.
AngelsAngel
RJ
Solo Arminius

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to AngelsAngel, RJ, Solo Arminius



Yeah, I could do that, but I'm paralyzed with not caring very much.Spike, 'Triangle'''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 13:02:51 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
RIP Arnold Palmer, the best ambassador for golf ever.

yay shadowquest!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Sep 26 11:53:50 2016 68.53.101.208) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! ShadowQuest! And the Pack is back :)



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Sep 26 11:43:18 2016 68.53.101.208) [Edit/Delete]
Comma--I heard :( Let's all order an Arnold Palmer and raise a glass!


Carita--Good luck with the show, lasting four seasons is great!


Belated Yay! Thoin! You know, Agent Cooper, you could
settle her bar tab for a birthday present ;)


Belated Happy Birthday Myslayre and +Blessed Be+!



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Sep 26 11:43:12 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
R.I.P. Arnold Palmer - remembering the when he, Nicklaus and Player dominated the golf world. Resident of Latrobe, PA, graduate of Wake Forrest and class act.

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Sep 26 11:37:52 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for shadowquest!

yay shadowquest!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 26 07:51:42 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
KAM,

Did read your reply, took notes, pondered and will reply sometime this Monday.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 26 06:49:21 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

A minor quibble and a canonical question. First the quibble ...

...a well-aimed kick at the back of the man's knees, she sent him sprawling. The woman immediately turned around and attacked Buffy...

A kick at the back of a knee does not send the person 'sprawling', rather it buckles them and they can collapse straight to the ground.


Now the canonical. You have the woman vampire trying to bite Liv in the neck. Since Liv's is also a vampire ...

1) Can vampires drink from other vampires? We know a person being sired must drink from a vampire, but they're still human and they are lapping from a small cut on the siring vampire. Could they, would they drink from another vampire's neck? I don't know, but it's topical. *g*

2) If a vampire cannot drink/feed off another vampire, then why would the woman vampire be trying to bite Liv's neck. It's possible she doesn't sense Liv is a vampire, but I've vague memories that Buffyverse vampires can sense one another.


WG



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Comma says:
(Mon Sep 26 01:59:14 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
The King of Golf is dead. Arnold Palmer is gone tonight at the age of 87. May he rest in peace.

Charles



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 00:27:09 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
When she first saw them they didn't look odd, just dress in matching khaki slacks and white shirts. Now she seem to get more of a sinister vibe from the, as they both put down their cameras and started walking towards her.

She heard a 'are you ok?" comment from the woman and wondered where Buffy was. Liv staggered a bit and swore to good effect. It didn't seem to put off either of them, and they came closer to her.

Suddenly, Buffy was behind both of them and with a well-aimed kick at the back of the man's knees, she sent him sprawling. The woman immediately turned around and attacked Buffy.

Buffy grabbed the woman's arms and threw her aside and brought out her stake, intending to dust them immediately.

The man, however, was lightening quick to recover and vamped out. He also seemed to get bigger as well and snarled. He knocked the stake from Buffy's hands and lept at her. He and Buffy thrashed around and Liv saw the woman, who had been thrown to the ground as well jump up and vamp our as well and started towards Buffy.

Liv grabbed her staff and immediately bent and swung the staff towards the woman's legs, to try to knock her over a second time. But the woman must have heard Liv behind her as she immediately jumped to avoid the staff and when she landed, spun around to face Liv.

Liv never quite saw vampires like this before, she saw drawings of old vampires like the master and the Ubervamps, but these vampires seemed to have turned more feral, like wolves and they did it so fast, it was like in the blink of a eye.

Liv held the staff in a defensive position and braced herself against the bin. The woman lept towards her and she was able to block the woman's claws with her staff and attempted to shove the woman backwards, but the woman felt like she was made of bricks.

Liv hope Buffy was having better luck and that Lyida would arrive soon, because the female vampire was far stronger than she had expected and the fangs were coming ever closer to her neck. She felt the sting of something and immediately dropped to the ground, thrusting the staff upwards, hoping to at least poke through the woman's throat or jaw.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 26 00:02:08 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Maybe I should do more writing my story, instead of writing posts!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 25 21:45:29 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Just got back from watching Sully, excellent movie!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 25 18:19:27 2016 70.198.49.229) [Edit/Delete]
Two miles on the treadmill this
morning!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 25 12:59:37 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard


LOL! Great Find!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Sep 25 12:49:18 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, September 25th 2016 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Caged Rage
John
Legal_Lurker
Myslayre


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Caged Rage, John, Legal_Lurker, Myslayre



Hey, if it means I don't have to read any more, woo and, might I add, a big hoo.
Xander, 'Shadow''''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 25 08:32:23 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 25 03:51:42 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
hard cider is gooooooood.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 25 00:55:01 2016 70.198.49.63) [Edit/Delete]
Birthday meal down cider next!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 24 23:36:05 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
And after a nap, I feel better and
ready to go out to a friend's
birthday dinner.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 24 19:54:56 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
oof..my feet and back are sore!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Sep 24 13:14:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, September 24th 2016 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buffster Dulux
Claddagh
Little Sister
slay_me
+Blessed Be+

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Buffster Dulux, Claddagh, Little Sister, slay_me, +Blessed Be+



Does anybody else miss the Mayor? 'I just want to be a big snake.'Xander, 'Primeval''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 24 04:41:50 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard What every it was, it was exhausting mentally to deal with it. Luckily, this project will be over soon.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 24 03:13:27 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

That doesn't appear a math problem.
It appears a combination of missing
data and pattern matching.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 24 01:39:14 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Actual math, like
adding things up. It's a bit
complicated, but I have to figure
out what was paid out and what was
not in order to find out if the
company can be compensated or not.
It's difficult because often backup
invoices are missing and I am trying
to match up expenses.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 24 01:04:41 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Math word problems?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 24 00:38:13 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard A day of hard
thinking. *g*

For the past two weeks, I've been
working on a special project. At
first it was very easy, but now I'm
facing problems that are very
difficult to solve and involve a lot
of math. Eek!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 24 00:18:06 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Sep 24 00:24:51 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Thinking can be tough. One cognitive psychologist has said the human brain
has evolved to minimize thinking. *g*


ETA

" it was a hard day of thinking."

or

It was a day of hard thinking.

?

*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 23:21:21 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Home and very tired, it was a hard day of thinking.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 23 21:28:06 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Yes! Now I remember. Thank you. :)



KAM,

Noted post. Will read and reply later tonight.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Sep 23 20:45:04 2016 199.127.148.4) [Edit/Delete]
Scanning the Internet has its results. I discovered a few months ago that Beth Howland of *alicE* died at 75 (both her ex husband and widower, several years older survive.) was I stupid not to s ee that in the media or was it not much mentioned? Found out couple days ago that Miss December 1968 Cynthia Myers (whose scenes in Beyond the Valley of the Dolls are, umm, memorable for me), died *5 years ago* at 61. Both of lung cancer.
Aslo discovered Richard Schall died about 2 years ago.



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Comma says:
(Fri Sep 23 20:25:45 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Sep 23 20:40:47 2016
Everyone: I taught, for three years at Fort Benning, the military art of Combat Vertical Deployment. We informed the Airborne Candidates, during Week one which was ground week, about two times that you should release your main and deploy your reserve. The first was the cigar roll. That is when the silk and the risers, and the lines, wrap up and look like a rolled cigar. The second was a Mae West. That is when one or more risers got caught on top of the T-10s and made it look like a large, very filled out, bra. I last completed a military jump in Feb of 1984. I used a square chute then. I never have had either one. I did have a chute split at a seam and had to release and redeploy. Every time there was a malfunction with a chute there was a board of inquiry held. I was a member of seven board of inquires. Not of those seven were simple Mae West or Cigar Rolls.

Comma

PS: I have no idea, since I have been out 25 years, what chutes the military are using today to train and in actual unit jumps. I guess I could ask someday. As far as a Mae West goes, one, once you have a little experience jumping, can decide to ride it out. The students had to cut away and deploy the secondary chute. CC



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Sep 23 19:26:19 2016 199.127.148.4) [Edit/Delete]
The two women stood looking at the gowns they would be wearing in public in a few days. Surprisingly, they were not horrified.

The long-haired ash blonde turned to her deep-wine-haired partner and said, Leave it to Buffy, she actually found outfits for her bridal party that wont humiliate us.

The other replied, Well, she was always good with fashion, and shes never been much for cruel traditions, like the one which says bridesmaids dresses need to be ugly to make the bride shine. Besides, Cordelia helped her pick them.

A happy tone in her voice, Tara answered, Well, technically, Anya and I are the only actual bridesmaids, which is fine since we tend to look good in the same things. Dawn is listed as Representing the Bride's Family, Cordy and Fred are Groom's Attendants even though Anya insists they should be called Lamplighters, and youre Woman of Honor, my darling.

Another triumph of my best friends progressive thinking. I mean, if a man were standing for her hed be the Man of Honor, so why should she be bound by patriarchal distinctions between Matron and Maid? Willow answered confidently.

Liar, her lover replied, you know the real reason was she couldnt decide whether a pregnant woman who is in a committed lesbian relationship, wears a wedding ring, and was legally married to her partner in another country, should be called a matron or a maid. Interesting, weve been together for most of the nine years shes known you, she and I have become such great friends, and she has her own little past experiences with Faith and not so little ones with Satsu to draw from, and she still sometimes doesnt know how to take us. Oh, well, at least she got us gowns we can wear again to something formal, maybe with a little alteration.

Not so little in my case, baby, remember?

Tara reached out to rub Willows belly. Nonsense, just take out the maternity panel and youll be fine. Still like this?

A tummy rub from Summers maman? Yes, Summers ima likes it and so does Summer, from the way shes moving.

I love the way you look now. I am so glad we did this, and Im totally serious, I want to do it myself in a few years.

Oh, yes, the nausea, the backaches, sore nipples, swelling feet, swelling nose, crazy appetite . . . .

All of it, sweetie, all of it, including that little knot when you first felt life, the moving around, the mood swings, every bit of it. And the next baby will be look like you, I want everything.

They went over to the bed and sat on the edge, holding each others right hands. Tara said, I even spent a few minutes debating whether we should switch titles with the next baby, you be Maman and I be Ima but that would be too confusing and it wouldnt really mean anything anyway.

Hey, I was thinking that same thing, you know, different titles for the egg donor and gestational mother, you know, just for that reason, and how wed explain that to them and all, and it made some sense to me and . . . .

Alright, hey, I already thought of everything youre thinking. I figure growing up in a mixed Jewish-Wiccan family on a closed Hellmouth will be confusing enough for our kids.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Sep 23 18:28:27 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: My work week is good. Things are going good. And we have free pizza today for lunch, which is nice. How about your? What was weird earlier?

I'm going to the local game con tomorrow, going to play the new edition of D&D and see what it's like. Once I've done that, I will be able to say I've played every edition of D&D except for one.

Yeah. That's right. I'm an uber dork!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 17:58:46 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Angel Cooper She must have a heckuva bar tab by now!

How's the work week finishing up for you?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Sep 23 16:42:39 2016 199.127.148.4) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan I was thinking that very thing, but my memeory wasn't clear enough to say so.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Sep 23 15:12:04 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia of the Day for Friday!!

A hippo can open its mouth wide enough to fit a 4 foot tall child inside.

Einstein couldnt speak fluently when he was age nine.

Youre more likely to get stung by a bee on a windy day than in any other weather.

The average person laughs about 5 times a day.

A sneeze zooms out of your mouth at over 600 mph.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Sep 23 14:59:35 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Thoin doesn't get any yays until she settles her bar tab.



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KAM says:
(Fri Sep 23 13:35:35 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Sep 23 13:36:26 2016
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY THOIN

wolfguard
: In regards to your statement: Where we might differ is I do not see the private sector as being less inclined to do the same. I'm for spreading the power around.

Well, actually, we don't differ here--at least not with the claimed goal. The difference is how to accomplish the goal of 'spreading around power'. Concentrating power in the hands of a government that picks and chooses what to fund (in regards to scientific research) is NOT doing that--in fact, I think it is quite the opposite.

I think your premise is that EVERYONE has agendas--the private sector as well. I'd agree with that, but what we need to realize is that the "private sector" is actually (when left free to be so) many, many diverse entities, not a monolithic or semi-monolithic entity like the government (State).

So, relying on the principles of a free market is the way to accomplish this 'spreading of power' There is no defined limit on the level "spreading" of power (meaning it can be a lot). As soon as government becomes involved as a participant that "spreading" is curtailed, because they are not an equal competitor--namely, because they're using public funds and they control regulation and law.

So, various entities (within the private sector) have various agendas or interests--so any and all of them should be free to devote their efforts to whatever sort of scientific study they want. THEY find the funding. When GOVERNMENT is providing the funding, it makes a choice--the popular phrase is "picks winners and losers." That's sort of true by default, because again, the funding (with public money) may determine whether the proposed study/project is able to be undertaken.

It needs to be understood that a government (State) acting in such a way is at a minimum distorting the market that would allow for equal 'spreading of power'. That's why the government should not be in that role. But, one might ask, how can the government PROMOTE science. Well, by remaining a neutral party. Financially, they could offer tax breaks that would make it easier for people to obtain funding. Third party oversight could theoretically allow for fair distribution of money. There are of course many ways to apply for grants now, but again "fair" (without agendas) is probably fairly difficult to achieve.

Government involvement as a participant rather than a neutral arbiter is what concentrates power, and distorts the ability of the free market to provide competition and other natural balances.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Sep 23 13:23:28 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, September 23rd 2016 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


andeeh
Angelik
AngelLover24-7
Caroline
DrkPoet101
Evil makeup artist of Angel
Lissie
Mt Sunrise

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to andeeh Angelik, AngelLover24-7, Caroline, DrkPoet101, Evil makeup artist of Angel, Lissie, Mt Sunrise



Right. Piano. Because that's what we used to kill that big demon that one time. No, wait. That was a rocket launcher.Xander, 'Spiral''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 13:01:29 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay thoin!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!


OldManFan - LOL!



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Sep 23 12:11:39 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Comma, DaddyCatALSO - technically, it wasn't the parachute that they called the Mae West, it was the inflatable life vest that accompanied it.

OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Sep 23 11:56:31 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Comma I remember reading about the "Mae West" but didn't specifically recall it was a parachute.
And yeah, it would be more up-front nowadays. Heck if Casablanca were filmed now, Ric and Ilsa's re-connection would not have remained Platonic.


wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Faith and the friends and companions of her earlier youth, despite living not in a small town but in "Soath Baaston," apparently had access to a n abandoned quarry as a swimming hole. There was a certain rock which was the highest point from which one could jump and still hit the water, and Faith was the only one who would dive from there.



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Sep 23 11:33:41 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - sleep. *g

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Sep 23 11:28:24 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for thoin!

yay thoin!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 03:31:57 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I was intending Liv to be the 'bait' for the couple.

I want the fight to be for Liv, like the spell was for her. A way to change the status quo a little. I might have it be a bit more radical than the spell, since the effect of the spell on Liv wasn't revolutionary.

But maybe part of that is tied to my overall theme, that Liv can help no matter who or what she is and she doesn't have to be superpowered. Kind of like Xander's speech to Dawn.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 23 02:59:21 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The fight Joss created between Buffy and Faith had to serve the story.
When I back-engineered it, circa 1999 *g*, here's what I saw ...

What Joss needed/wanted:

1. He wanted to keep Faith in the Buffyverse, so he could not definitely
kill her off.

2. The season Big Bad was the Mayor. The climatic season fight had to be
between Buffy and the Mayor. Leaving Faith in the mix would have diluted
the focus.

Consequently, Faith had to be taken out of play before the climatic
battle.

3. The contrast between Buffy and Faith had been a major theme in the
season. But was Buffy lily pure? What might draw Buffy towards the
darkness?

Joss appears to believe we all can be tempted or pushed into the dark.
Buffy told Faith it was wrong to kill people, but given the right
conditions Buffy would kill a person. She would kill to save Angel.

4. A lot of fans had strong feelings against Faith and wanted to see Faith
get hers from Buffy.

5. OTOH, there were fans who felt Faith had been dealt a bad hand. There
were fans who wanted to see Faith have a chance at redemption.


So ...

Faith poisons Angel. Only Slayer's blood could save Angel. Buffy went
hunting for Faith to get the blood she needed. She was ready to 'wear big
sister's clothing'. Buffy wasn't going to take down Faith to stop the
ascension. She was going to kill Faith to save Angel.

This and the season of built up tension was going to be released in the
fight. The fight climaxed with Buffy stabbing Faith.

(But since Faith could not die and because Joss wanted Buffy to risk her
own life to save Angel, Faith couldn't be taken by Buffy. Thus Faith
choosing to fall off the building1)


The ending of the fight allowed Faith to be stored away, plot-wise, in a
coma. It allowed Buffy's hands to be partially wipe of Faith's blood by
having the emergency room doctor telling the Mayor that the stab wound had
not been life-threatening, it was the fall that put Faith in the coma -
and Faith chose to fall.

Anyway, cutting to the chase: The tenor of the fight was an uber fight
between the two slayers leading to one being in a coma and the other free
to fight the Mayor in a climatic battle.

If the Art Alley fight is to be the climax of your story, how you want to
end the story will guide how you write the fight.



1 Recall in an earlier episode - maybe that episode - Faith
told the Mayor of how she had jumped off ~ a cliff once on a dare(?)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 23 02:39:19 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

These words ....

"..., move a little more into the alley so they take the bait."

What do you mean by 'bouting'?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 02:18:17 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm not sure, in between the last word I wrote and coming up with the first word on the next part. I think I'm bouting myself a little.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 23 01:26:15 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Lost steam where?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 01:22:55 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Lost a bit of steam there, but on the upside, I think I've found a path to how to end my story!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 23 01:05:02 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Here now


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 23 00:50:07 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard You around?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 23:52:01 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
lets see if I have a fight in my head that I can write about for Buffy and Liv...



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Comma says:
(Thu Sep 22 22:40:53 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Sep 22 22:46:01 2016
DaddyCatAlso: Ever hear of a Mae West when talking about parachutes? That gave me that idea. And in todays world, there would be no bra, a see through top, or 100% topless.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 22:36:02 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Sep 22 21:25:19 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Naughty Pursuits

Category: Movies
Question: Who designed the bra Jane Russel wore in The Outlaw?
Answer: Howard Hughes

Trivia Supporters: notsoshyGirl, OldManFan
Trivia without support: Comma



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Sep 22 20:38:00 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Comma If you were friends with my ex-wife, right now she'd be saying, "Ooo, jou is a bad boy.":-|



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Comma says:
(Thu Sep 22 20:33:42 2016 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The United States Sports Parachute Club T-10 parachute maker. No one else had enough material, and the sewing machines, to handle such a large request.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 19:32:21 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan What is the first thing you are going to do the day after you retire?



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Sep 22 16:40:53 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - argue bras with notsoShyGirl... inconceivable.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Sep 22 15:19:31 2016 96.87.54.73) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Howard Hughes had an underwire push-up bra designed for Jane Russell to
emphasize her breasts in The Outlaw. According to Russell, the "ridiculous"
contraption was painful and she secretly wore her own bra during the movie.
The brassiere is now in a Hollywood museum.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Sep 22 15:06:43 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Naughty Pursuits

Category: Movies
Question: Who designed the bra Jane Russel wore in The Outlaw?



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Astrokitty says:
(Thu Sep 22 14:25:46 2016 70.29.234.101) [Edit/Delete]
Just a Quick hello to my fellow
Bronzers! *kitty smoochies*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 14:19:37 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Today is off to a strange start at work. Ah well....Happy to say.....

yay happy!



Happy CD Thursday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Sep 22 12:24:30 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, September 22nd 2016 C.E.

We have SIx (6) Birthdays!


Buffanatic2002
Carol
cassandra
DeAn
Jendiver
Medalion

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Buffanatic2002, Carol, cassandra, DeAn, Jendiver, Medalion



So there is something I can do, besides scream like a woman?Wesley, 'Graduation Day (2)'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Sep 22 11:34:37 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for happy!

yay happy!



Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 05:22:18 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Catriona!



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


Is Giles' office at the new watchers council headquarters ocd neat or a cluttered mess?

Seemingly a "cluttered mess". Before leaving for the day, Giles takes a photo of his desk. A person searching his desk would likely try to return items as they were so obviously arranged, while they might not do so with a messy desk. Further the relative positions of items on a messy desk are not so noticeable or easy to restore. Was the pen pointing that way? How much? Hard to get it exact and on his return Giles will compare the desk to his photo.


Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 03:28:36 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard New Underwood is indeed sketchy...who knows what happened to Old Underwood!

A fic for another time. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 03:10:07 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Will Buffy and Liv go searching for vampires at the City Council meeting or
at the office of the Director of Equalization or perhaps drive east to New
Underwood? Something odd looks afoot at New Underwood. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 02:16:48 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard And it normally is! But evil lurks in the nicest places! heck even on Angel hell was suburbia.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 02:08:34 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

And it promised to be such a peaceful alley. *g*

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 02:03:34 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Here again

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 01:36:26 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Buffy and Liv walk down to the opening of the alley.

Liv climbed up the short metal stairs to an intermediate landing. From her vantage point, she could see pretty far down the ally and saw Buffy's ponytail bounce as she went close to the other end, up a flight of wooden stairs, almost to the top of the building

Liv hunkered down where she was at, leaned the staff down on the grill landing and glanced around. She noticed the graffiti on the walls in the alley below, but higher up she noticed some architectural features that were pretty neat and even graffiti up on the higher spots of the building. She was half-wondering how they did that when she heard something happening below.

She saw a couple of people enter the alley, but realized they were an older couple, clearly taking some photos of the graffitti. She settled back down and kept an eye on them, as they could be victims.

She watched them go further down the alley and then noticed some rustling near a bin. Someone lifted the bin and poked at stuff with a some kind of long stick.

One of the many homeless individuals, for sure. Suddenly the homeless individual froze, and scampered out of the alley.

Liv wondered what was happening until she heard a call in her ear.

"Hey Liv...make your way down the alley, I think we have our vampires. "

"Really? the old couple? " Liv asked in a suprised voice.

"yeah, I thought they were touristy-types, but something is off about their behavior, they aren't framing their shots and they seem to be investigating the darker spots of the alley"

"okay, what's the plan?"

"Right now, they are just about to turn around and head to the other end. Wanna make like your a druggie?" Buffy said.

"I'm still a whiter shade of pale, and I think I can manage a shake or two" Liv said.

"Lydia is already on her way, so get down there now and start the show, move a little more into the alley so they take the bait.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 01:14:43 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
"Someone has been studying!" Buffy said, with a smile.

"Not much to do around here otherwise, it's slow city, county and state"..

"What's the game plan" said Liv.

"I think you and me can setup a watch on both ends of the alley, it isn't long. Lydia can spot check the parks on a regular basis. If any of use sees soemthing vampiric, we can keep in touch with these." Buffy reached into her bag and pulled out some wireless bluetooth headsets.

"Oh cool!" said Lydia.

"Let me guess, Dawn?" Liv said

"Yep, one of the first things Dawn recommended were these, they are perfect for patrolling" Buffy said. "You and me will need to make this hotel our base of operations, so to speak. Lets get settled in and we'll meet up around 11 pm tomorrow night to start the watch."

"Sounds good to me. " Lydia said, still looking over the headsets.


The next night, Liv sipped at a double expresso standing outside the doors of the hotel, on the sidewalk. Liv wasnt' sure it would actually have any effect, but the heat was nice. Buffy skipped anything to drink.

"You ready?" she said

"As I'll ever be" said Liv.

"Okay, we'll just grab some weapons out of the trunk of the car, you can take the staff, and I'll take the stake. Something simple for now until we know what we are up against. If we see more than one, then we know we'll need more firepower."

"The headsets?" Liv put in hers and so did Buffy. Buffy made a call to Lydia to ensure she was set up with it too.

"You will take one end of the alley, I'll take the other end, up on those vantage points we scouted earlier. It will give us the most coverage of the alley, but the least dangerous for now." Buffy said.

Buffy and Liv walk down to the opening of the alley. Liv climbed up the short metal stairs to an intermediate landing. From her vanage point, she could see pretty far down the ally and saw Buffy's ponytail bounce as she went close to the other end, up a flight of wooden stairs, almost to the top of the building.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 00:59:01 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Carita,

Will anyone lose their head this season? Figuratively speaking. *g*


KAM,

Read your post to me at Wed Sep 21 15:07:41 2016. What I was unfamiliar
with was the new clothes, "separation of science and state". I suspect
folks with a keen eye for PR are trying to cloak their position under the
mantle of the separation of church and state. The issues you noted are
familiar ones.

Do any politicians commit the offenses you list? Sure. Where we might
differ is I do not see the private sector as being less inclined to do the
same. I'm for spreading the power around.


Another call-back to the National Geographic article, "The War on
Science" - "...Sometimes scientists fall short of the ideals of the
scientific method. Especially in biomedical research, there's a disturbing
trend toward results that can't be reproduced outside the lab that found
them, a trend that has prompted a push for greater transparency about how
experiments are conducted...
"

If we were to count the number of such 'results' noted above, would there
be a significant difference between private and public biomedical research
institutes? I don't know, but I'd like to know.



WG



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Carita says:
(Thu Sep 22 00:27:47 2016 24.114.48.241) [Edit/Delete]
Drive by while working on set for
"Reign" Season 4 on the CW



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 22 00:11:37 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
home!1 Had to stop by and visit a friend in the hospital.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 22 00:09:25 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
KAM,

Towards familiarizing myself with the 'separation of science and state'
issue, I read Timothy Sandefur's ~ 7 reasons why government should not
fund scientific research. Follows his reasons ...

1. It's amoral

2. It's unconstitutional

3. It ignores government's lack of qualifications and incentives

4. It ignores (the) dispersed nature of knowledge and needs

5. It distorts science

6. It gives government cover for its projects

7. It's not necessary


To each of these he offers commentary. If you are interested, you can find
the blog page by googling 'separation science state freespace'.

The first objection speaks to morality and others would disagree with it.
Since it speaks to a broader issue, I will not comment on it now.

Most of the others distill to the broader question, who best performs
science research - government or private industry? If one can immediately
answer that, then further discussion would be unproductive.

Sandefur writes, "...Note that these seven objections are basically the
same objections raised by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison against the
unity of church and state...
" For now, I'll take Sandefur at this
word, but if that's their entire argument, then I believe it's missing the
most important reason church and state should be separate.


On to read your posts.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 22:55:22 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
KAM,

Before I read your posts and the blog thought it well to note specific
activities where the US and state governments are involved in science. For
clarity setting aside engineering fields, but not applied science
research.

Federal and state governments are or have been involved in science
research in the following ways:

- Initiating studies

- Choosing proposed studies to fund

- Disseminating and archiving the results of scientific studies

- Promoting science education

- Using findings of science in writing and implementing laws

- Creating and operating government agencies whose missions are science-
oriented, e.g. the National Weather Service, the U.S. Public Health
Service, or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

A number of the executive departments undertake both basic and applied
science, the DOD coming immediately to mind. While much of DOD's work is
applied science or engineering, the US Navy sponsored much basic
oceanographic research during the Cold War.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 21 22:27:18 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Angel
Question: What character had evil hand issues?
Answer: Lindsay

Trivia Good Hand OldManFan
Trivia Evil Hand AGent Cooper!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 21:06:02 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

KAM,

Am I struck differently by the expression, ~separation of science and
politics~ compared to ~separation of science and the state~? I view politics
as related to, but not the same as "The State". So, I'll have ponder on it
before replying.

Noted your earlier post and will read, ponder, and reply later tonight. I've
not yet read the Cato Institute's guy's argument for separating science and
state and want to do so before reading yours. Essentially, I want to keep
your and his arguments separate to minimize possibly confusing lines of
reasoning.

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Sep 21 18:50:36 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Yeah, and Ash had an evil hand. The deadites got into it and it went bad. That's why he had to cut it off. Upside- He has a chainsaw in place of his hand now. Very handy!

See what I did there. heh.



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Agent Cooper says:
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KAM says:
(Wed Sep 21 18:25:12 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Sep 21 18:34:34 2016
Hello again,

Maverick: Well, I think studying climate (including temperature) shouldn't be controversial. The study itself (actual science) isn't, except I think it is very clear that it is fully engaged with politics, and in ways that are at least questionable (by this I mean which can and should be rightfully open to questions and scrutiny). It is apparent, that many politicians are using (or at least claiming to use) climate science data to justify various programs or agendas or actions in the political (State) arena. Without stating an opinion of the validity of that attempt, it is undeniable that this connection exists, and it seems quite apparent that politicians have some influence on the scientific efforts related to climate science.
There isn't an inherent issue with that...if you assume that all the players are being objective, and not pursuing any other sort of agenda. I'll leave that to people to judge for themselves how far they are willing to trust politicians to not follow their own agendas.

wolfguard: Would the phrase "separation of science and politics." strike you differently from "separation of science and State"? Would your reaction be to view that as "sadly amusing" as well?

KAM
Ty King Fan



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 21 17:14:50 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper That's Evil Dead! NOt Evil Hand!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Sep 21 15:24:27 2016 199.168.151.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Ash!



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KAM says:
(Wed Sep 21 14:57:55 2016 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Sep 21 15:07:41 2016
Hello again,

YAY CATRIONA

Deadguy QOD
: Mess.

wolfguard: I haven't had time to return to the "separation of science and state" issue, but I saw your post this morning.
Your comment: I would hope members of government - all levels and branches - use scientific thinking1 where appropriate.

First...are you under the impression that the concept of "separation of science and state" means that members of government would not be able to use scientific thinking? Nothing about MY position on separation of science and State (I can't speak for others) would require or encourage anyone to NOT use scientific thinking, and if you think that's what it means, then that might explain why you find it "sadly amusing." If that's your premise, and what you think separation of 'science and state' means, then I find it deeply flawed, and perhaps similar to the flawed view of 'separation of church and state' that some people seem to hold.

If the potential importance of separation isn't apparent to you, then I can suggest a simple example to consider.
Assumptions:
Politicians are the operators in 'the State.'
Politicians have political (or other types) of agendas.
Politicians control funding.
Funding might be the difference in whether something like a particular study is performed or not.
Is it difficult to see how a political (State) agenda then might influence science?
I'd prefer to see that sort of influence minimized or ideally eliminated. Given that our government has a tendency to collect money and doll it out, this may be a tough separation to achieve, but I think it is probably possible to create some system that would tend to make things more shielded from political agendas.

I'd be surprised to hear if you've never heard of (read an article perhaps) some accusation of government 'shutting down' something related to science, or trying to influence science.
I know you've heard of political views being a factor in what scientific issues that people (including politicians) tend to support or believe, because you've posted about it here. So, given that I find it hard to believe you don't understand that politics can influence science, or that it can negatively impact science.

I'd prefer less influence of politics (which I think is inseparable from 'the State) in science. That's the core of what 'Separation of Science and State' means to me.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Sep 21 14:56:13 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Lindsey.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 21 14:52:15 2016 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Angel
Question: What character had evil hand issues?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Sep 21 13:11:14 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, September 21st 2016 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


B.Lady
Lealu
Lord_of_the_Dance_not_the_scary_one
Lurking Holtfa
Spikey
Wise_ones

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to B.Lady, Lealu, Lord_of_the_Dance_not_the_scary_one
Lurking Holtfa, Spikey, Wise_ones



Sometimes when I'm sitting in class... You know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage.Oz, 'Innocence'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 21 12:57:36 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
yay catriona!

deadguy qod

That's an interesting question. I can see him as either messy or neat. If he is knee deep in research, messy. If wanting things tidy like a librarian, neat.



Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Sep 21 12:08:59 2016 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Sep 21 12:09:20 2016
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for catriona!

yay catriona!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

oscar and felix decor, ltd. - we can do sterile, messy or anything in between

is giles' office at the new watchers council headquarters ocd neat or a cluttered mess?


Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 21 11:58:39 2016 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Yes, since I'm sos tupid about money matters myself I decided to have that removed as aplot element. So Anya ahs a franchise and Xander a general contracting business, Buffy's novels (both romances and horror) are bestsellers, Willow's consulting firm Rougemont Inc does very we, very well, and Cordelia and Harmony's on-line beauty and accessories business pays petty well, allowing for Angel's Tara's, and Jonathan's salaries to be a afterthoughts. Dawn, as the Kerrie Weaver of the new Sunnydale General, is the poorest.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 06:16:45 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Parthian Glance

A long kept secret now revealed ... the Dowager Countess - was a Watcher. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 06:03:42 2016 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Safarigirl!


Belated Happy Birthday Jaan Quidam!




Christopher Marlowe,

Just channel Joss. *g*



Lostinamerica,

From The New Yorker

"...There are very few good roles for women on television, and Tatiana Maslany plays nine of them on Orphan Black...."

The Five Faces of Tatiana (A Wikipedia article will first appear and then be replaced by images)



DaddyCatALSO,




21. INT. ANYA'S CAR 0 DAY

Anya drives a big new red SUV. She's at the wheel with Xander beside her and Willow in the back.

WILLOW
to Anya)
I never thought of you as a car person. You know with demons and car payments being a non-associative thought.

ANYA
Wheels beat feet. Though not inter-dimensional travel.

XANDER
And new cars have that spiffy new smell. Way better than tennis shoes.

WILLOW
And much more expensive ... Anya, uh, how did you afford it?

ANYA
Conservative demon. A few centuries of the magic of compound interest in a stable country creates big balances.

XANDER
And I pick-up her trinket bills.

ANYA
To show he cares.


From The Once and Future Slayer (I was wrong about the scene being in Legacy - it was 16 years ago. *g*)



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Assuming Angel lives, who is the first of the extended scoobies to get in touch with him?

Faith, perhaps accompanied by Willow



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Are there rogue slayers... and what, if anything, is the punishment for being one?

Yes and Willow turns them into wimpy boys. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 21 04:21:02 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard The shooting script is a lot more fun to read! I hope I'm up to the task!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 02:53:25 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Excerpt of Buffy and Faith's fight in Graduation Day, part 1


From the transcript

BUFFY
You told me I was just like you, Faith.
That I was only holding it in.

FAITH
You ready to cut loose?

BUFFY
Try me.

FAITH
Okay then. Give us a kiss.

Buffy punches her in the jaw. They fight for awhile.

...

Well, as the Mayor might say, that was disappointing. Personally, I was
expecting more detail from the transcript. Fortunately ...


From the shooting script

BUFFY
You told me I was just like you, Faith.
That I was only holding it in.

FAITH
You ready to cut loose?

BUFFY
Try me.

FAITH
Okay then. Give us a kiss.

Buffy punches Faith so ******* hard her head nearly snaps off. Faith
responds in kind, twirling and backfisting Buffy. They face each other,
the handshake over.

And they begin. The fight is fast at first, a blur of moves and blocks,
kicks and counters, brutal but also balletic, intelligent rage. It takes
them about the room -- Buffy smashed into the big screen TV, Faith knocked
back over the end table -- and it never lets up.

Nobody speaks.

Faith gets Buffy in a lock from behind. They strain at each other,
sweating, Faith's mouth at Buffy's ear.

FAITH (cont'd)
Not getting tired, are you? I'm just
starting to feel it.

Buffy slams Faith back into the wall (or the stand up mirror, if that
works), breaking her grip. She throws her up onto the landing. Faith
stands, in front of the window, as Buffy runs up, jumps off the bed and
dives into her.

They smash through the window.



Both transcript and shooting script courtesy of Buffyworld.com



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 21 01:40:07 2016 209.159.254.195) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Yea, i'm not sure it's worth bothering with now, but I
'll keep tabs how the eps are received.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 21 01:31:10 2016 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Sep 21 01:32:29 2016
Agent Cooper,

But wait, Ben is the BBS?!


Christopher Marlowe,

I have some stuff to post to you on fight scenes, but have to wait for now.

(ETA I stopped watching AoS around mid-season last year. Not certain it's
worth catching up to see the new season.)


DaddyCatALSO,

The idea of franchising the Magic Box is common. Anya could do so much more,
and in Legacy she speaks of it. *g*


WG


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