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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 25 14:09:27 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard He's met celebrities before and isn't that stupid:-).


lostianmerica white wings That *was* my original idea but I recently began considering a different wording. The basic story has been in my head since '02, actually; and it's meant as a real publishable story so I'd have to f figure out how to shop it around.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 25 13:39:45 2019 64.129.18.68) [Edit/Delete]
It's weird how things can be sad and funny at the same time.

My mom is starting to show signs of dementia. Last summer she stopped speaking to my aunt because my aunt said alot of very rude and mean things to her at a party. My dad stopped talking to his brother because of this accusation. Which is sad, because that altercation never happened. It only happened in mom's mind. There were about 30 people there who can say so. She's only gotten worse since, IE saying the same things many times in a conversation and accusing people of stealing petty things from her house, etc. All the classic signs.

My dad is not doing well healthwise either but he has been generally ok mentally and has been finally realizing that mom is not well. He's been a bit in denial about this. But in the last week or so he's been telling us that mom has not been okay. But I haven't been able to talk to him alone about it without mom there.

So I finally got a chance to speak to him alone. I'm glad because I want to confide in him and finally clear up this ugly business about his brother and my aunt.

So I ask him about mom and he says, yes, she's getting worse. She's his caretaker, so I ask him if she's able to keep taking care of him and does he feel safe and he says yes so far. Then I say, "Dad, this is importannt. Remember the thing about Aunt XXX? That never happened. Mom imagined that. Aunt XXX never said any of the horrible things." And he looked at me for a minute and said "Yes, that really happened."

ME "No Dad, it didn't. Mom isn't well she imagines these things."

DAD "No, it was on TV, I saw Aunt XX on TV and she denied it but I know she said it."

ME ?????????????? "Um, Ok dad, Good talk.

So much for that idea. It turns out Dad isn't really as together as I thought. :-)

Meeting tomorrow with parents, social worker and doctor to decide if they need to be in assisted living or nursing home. That should be fun.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 25 12:04:37 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What kind of business did
Joyce Summers run in Sunnydale?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 25 12:01:59 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Shade of Bronze!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 25 11:54:16 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO--I vote with
white wings. Though "darn
it" may need to be replaced by
another oath, depending on the age
of your fanboy :) How overaged is
he?


white wings--Apparently we
did get hit by a derecho,
something that is much stronger
than your standard line of
thunderstorms. The amount of wind
you got depended on where you were
in the city, and luckily the wind
in our area wasn't too bad :)

Our youngest daughter had just
driven up to her place of
business, parked, looked at the
sky and had just enough time to
get into the building before the
winds hit, that's how fast it was
moving. The tornado sirens were
going and she was shocked at the
number of people who continued to
drive around :(


ChristopherMarlowe--You
volunteer too hard :D



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 25 11:43:28 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, June 25th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Gohst
HurrySundown
Shade of Bronze
Tina
Unearthly

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Gohst, HurrySundown, Shade of Bronze
Tina, Unearthly



Cacophony. That's pretty. What's it mean? Harmony, 'Disharmony'

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 25 05:32:04 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Thank you! *g*



Watching 4th season, right now Something Blue

BUFFY
Flaccid?

SPIKE
You are one step away Missy.

BUFFY
Giles, help! He's going to scold me.

SPIKE
Giles make her stop.

...


GILES
She seems to be coping better with Oz's departure, don't you think?

BUFFY
She still has a way to go, but ... yeah. I think she's dealing.

SPIKE
What?! Are you people blind? She's hanging on by a thread. Any idiot could
see that.



WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 25 03:11:41 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Mh!

It changed from hot and humid to cool and wet with lightning and now it's (relatively) cool and humid. I hope I used less electricity on lights than I would have on air conditioning. Darn them for making the daily usage available - one starts playing games with oneself to see how one can use less. *g*

DaddyCatALSO - I vote for "Darn it, I really liked that show."

wolfguard - Congratulations on your release.

Christopher Marlowe - What wolfguard said. But then, I'm lazy. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 25 02:55:23 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Activism takes too many nights. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 25 02:40:41 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard My afternoon was rather boring, my evening is less boring, but not necessarily in a good way.

I am part of a group planning a large annual event in July, so I was at a planning meeting early tonight and have been working on the seemingly endless tasks involved in it.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 25 01:52:11 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've had a much better evening. I called into the county courthouse and
learned my jury group does not have to report in tomorrow. :) How was your
afternoon?


DaddyCatALSO,

Neither one. Instead ...

FANBOY
And I thought it was going to be the beginning of a beautiful
friendship.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 25 01:38:30 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good evening beta

wolfguard I hope you had a good afternoon!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jun 24 18:31:18 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Try this again:
Okay, soliciting group opinions. Story is about an overaged fanboy who gets an unsolicited invitation to meet 4 stars of his favorite horror/sci-fi show for lunch during hiatus. He does so, the exec producer shows up, they invite him to go from the restaurant up to their hotel room to keep talking. and he discovers they *are* monsters themselves. Fanboy takes care of them and while on the elevator going down, should his last speech be:

1- "Darn it, I really *liked D that show."

2- "Darn it, I'm going to miss that show."


Thanks in advance



Trivia Girl Grover Cleveland



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 24 17:46:18 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Good Afternoon Beta!

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 24 17:03:42 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Mh!

It's no longer hot and humid. Now it's cool and rather wet. Well, I'll use less electricity on lights than I would have on air conditioning. *g*

Maybe I'll shut down now. Bit of lightning.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 24 12:25:35 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit


Category: Slogans
Question: Which presidential candidate had the slogan. "Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine, The Continental Liar from the State of Maine"?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 24 12:16:53 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, June 24th 2019 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


Mh

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Mh'



Strong like an Amazon. Tara, 'The Body'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 24 12:11:06 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 24 03:44:45 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Belated Happy Birthday Alaric, MiniBuffy, Slayterette The Power Girl, and tiggy3323!

Happy Birthday Aja the Good Fairy,CHRIS's husband Rick, fairytale ,fibs , Joss Whedon, Kain the Demon Hunter, Robi, and wolfchylde!

Christopher Marlowe - I'm really impressed. I hope you have(had?) a lot of fun tonight. I did a couple of loads of laundry and changed a bed. *g* I did lot of cowering indoors and a little walking in the humid, yellowish air. I also did some plotting for a home construction project of the kind that if it turns out as cheap-looking as it might can be torn apart and tossed, without doing any harm at all to the house. I'm not sure that parses, but it's my stream of conscious. *g*

lostinamerica - You missed a negative. *g* I said that it did not sound as if someone wanted to put together a slick memorial show such as they did for BtVS and David had responded by saying he wouldn't look back. On the contrary, I ran across at least one interview where he mentioned a possible AtS reunion. But he didn't say much about it. All we know right now is that a con is going to be held on the weekend of the anniversary in NYC (not where he will be filming), and most of the regular cast would be going. Personally, I'll wait and see what happens and see if I care about it. ;-)

I read there was some high wind over parts of Tennessee the other night. Did you take any damage?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 23 23:41:57 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings My Sunday has been anything but indolent! Paid a visit to my mother, worked a booth at a festival for a couple hours and now i'm headed off to assist a support group meeting and hope to have fun attending a talk by an entertaining broadway playwright and lyricist.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 23 13:44:18 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Sunday, June 23rd 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Aja the Good Fairy
CHRIS's husband Rick
fairytale
fibs
Joss Whedon - The Creator and God
Kain the Demon Hunter
Robi
wolfchylde

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aja the Good Fairy, CHRIS's husband Rick
fairytale, fibs, Joss Whedon, Kain the Demon Hunter, Robi, wolfchylde



You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats, press one or say 'goats.' To sacrifice a loved one or pet, press the pound key. Phone Menu Voice, 'Conviction (1)'

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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jun 23 13:01:42 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--So he never looked back at AtS? You mean the show
that literally discovered him, because up until then he'd been playing bit parts?
Yeah, OK--how convenient.


ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard--There would have been no present acting
gigs to focus on without the past big break. It might still have happened, but
it also might not have--we'll never know.

I wouldn't mind his not showing up because he had previous commitments. I would
mind his not showing up because he's "moved on" from the show that launched his
career. He could show a little appreciation for that fact alone, regardless of
how he got along with cast members or anyone else involved with AtS.



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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 23 04:10:25 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica - I dunno. The Buffy reunion was filmed in advance, which no doubt helped with scheduling, and got lots of promotion and slick magazine covers. It doesn't sound as though someone decided to have a similar kind of AtS reunion and went to all the people involved to see what would fit with their schedules, and David said he'd never ever look back at Angel. It sounds like it was a con in NYC that was looking for attractions, and decided one would be getting the AtS cast back. There could be any number of reasons why any of them would decide not to go, and we don't even know if David has refused or just not been able to commit those dates.

Christopher Marlowe - Helping a friend clean a storage area on a hot day is a very worthy thing to do. I hope you can rest on your laurels for a while. The last time I was going to clean a storage area, l broke both ankles before I could get to it, and I have somehow not gotten back yet. *g*

I was going to do noble things today, like at least some of what I should have done yesterday. I didn't even do laundry. There was a lot of dozing. Maybe some DVR watching. I thought about some healthy walking, since the radar had been clear all day, and when I stepped outside, there was a crash of thunder that made me jump. Not a rumble, not a boom, not a crack, but something like I imagine a building falling down would be like, or maybe dropping a safe from great height. I stepped back inside to continue doing nothing.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 23 01:33:30 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica I think it is
kind of tough, because you enjoyed
the show and the actors and built
up a image of all of them hanging
out and being friends for long
after the show has ended. To
continue that warm, fuzzy,
feeling, maybe ike nostalgia?

However, I can see actors wanting
to put more focus on the present
than the past.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 22 23:31:09 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings I spent most of
my day helping a friend clean out
and sort her storage area. Not the
most fun thing to do on a hot sunny
day.

Now I'm just resting, relaxing and
reading.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 22 17:36:49 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Jun 23 05:31:05 2019
Lostinamerica,

Professional courtesy, eh? I imagine there's a spectrum between actors who
cannot thank their fans enough for their success (is that ambiguous? *g*)
and actors who believe they have a right to life after work.

During a show's run there is probably contractual duties to promote the
show, but afterwards how one responds to reunions is an opportunity to send
a message to the suits or pasts bosses or fellow cast. Unfortunately such a
message can be seen as directed at the fans - which it rarely ever is.

Many of the actors from One Tree Hill loved the show, cast, and crew,
but avoided the show's creator, Mark Schwahn. After the show ended they
expressed their anger and disdain for him. In another time, they may have
staid quiet and staid away.

Now, this is not saying David or any other actor avoids reunions for the
same or similar reasons, but that they may have person reasons for not
going, one's they feel not appropriate for public exposition. A diplomatic
way out - I would love to be there, but previous commitments prevent it.
FANS ROCK!



WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jun 22 12:43:17 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Shan, wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe, white wings--I have a problem with
actors skipping reunions of shows that have put them on the map :(


white wings--Ack, sewing projects--I have several of those myself :(


DaddyCatALSO--"His last speech should be. . ." what?



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Shan says:
(Sat Jun 22 07:23:33 2019 49.181.245.253|64.233.173.174) [Edit/Delete]
white wings[/]

Oh, I'm not embarrassed. I've been
dropping in and out for years at a
time for 2 decades now.

But this time I want to shill
something hence the asking for
permission this time around.



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 22 04:50:47 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Goddess and Jkat!

Christopher Marlowe - It was slow. It was very hot out, and my sinuses were snuffy. I don't know what caused that, sick coworker's bug, mold, grass pollen, or dust. Maybe all of them.

I need to do some cleaning and I want to do a fair amount of sewing. At least I want the sewing done, but sewing is not my greatest love. *g* I've come up with a plan for some carpentry that would protect the sliding door that I just had to replace from mowers and other things that might assault it. I need to do some pruning and I should do some drain snaking just because it always needs doing.

So naturally I sat in my recliner with a laptop and answered emails from work, and once they knew I was online it was as though I was surrounded by sharks. I guess it was productive in that sense, and it was cooler inside. I got to watch a doe again strolling across my patio as if she owned it, followed by a buck in velvet, followed by another doe and fawn, and then miscellaneous others.

How did your day go? I'll have to catch you tomorrow, though. I feel snuffy again, and I think going to bed with an ice pack may be just the thing to do.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 22 03:53:06 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Howdy! How did
your day go?



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 22 03:04:44 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
*waves at Agent Cooper and Christopher Marlowe*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 22 00:52:03 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
waves at Agent Cooper!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 21 17:01:15 2019 64.129.18.68) [Edit/Delete]
Shan: I regularly read Order of the Stick by Rich Burlew.

That's about it for me as fara as web comics.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 21 14:13:46 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Okay, soliciting group opinions. Story is abotu an overaged fanboy who gets an unsolicited invitation to meet 4 stars of his favorite horror/sci-fi show for lunch. He does so, the exec rpodcuer shows up, thye invite him to go from the restaurant up to their hotel room to keep talking. and he discovers they rslcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccclly *are* monsters themselves. Fanboy takes care of them and while on the elevator going dow, should his alst speech be



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 21 12:13:52 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, June 21st 2019 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Goddess
Jkat

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Goddess, Jkat



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 21 06:17:20 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

From the outside it looks like the various master's programs are focused on
preparing graduates for careers involved in international relations. Those
wishing to be academics continue on to a PhD.

WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 21 04:22:37 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Ember, Little Bubbles, KittyWillow, Slayfaith, and Thad the Banished!

Shan - Drop in, drop out, don't be shy about coming back once in a while. The candle is still in the window. I speak as one who dropped out for long periods.

DaddyCatALSO - Juneteenth is a nice sounding holiday, and as I said, it's a handy holiday in June. State holidays tend to be carefully negotiated with respect to days off for state employees.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 21 03:25:51 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I can see why there
is a difference between pratical and
academics, and both are important,
although it is a little difficult
for me to articulate!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 21 02:12:44 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 20 21:34:06 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

A day or two ago in replying to you I noted a difference between the
academic and practical approaches to international relations. I was not
taking a swipe at either side, but recognizing an actual difference exist
between those who do IR and those who study and teach it.

A couple years ago, Foreign Policy magazine published a poll they had
done of academics and practitioners. I do not remember how FP chose the
people to poll. There was one set of questions, but the answers to some
questions showed a clear division between academics and practitioners.

The most noticeable to me were the answers to what people's work was most
influential to the discipline. As I remember, Alexander Wendt got the most
votes among academics, but did not register with practitioners.

Practitioners voted "economics" as the most valuable social science to know.
And while academics live and breathe theory and models, practitioners only
found two IR theories practical use were those dealing with nuclear weapons
and the controversial "human terrain systems".1

As I remember, practitioners put more value on foreign language abilities.
Off that, I remember reading a book on international jobs (c.80's) that
noted businesses didn't see much use for area studies majors, ~ if we have
to, we'll hire a translator~. *g* This is not longer true. OTOH, the same
author said ...

If you want to do international accounting or international finance or
international whatever, begin with studying the discipline after
"international". *g*


1 I suspect a lot of practitioners perceive the world through a
theory or two, but do not recognize that's what they are doing. I also
believe at least a few use game theory - though it's possible that's
distortion of reality caused my own view. *g*


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 20 14:11:31 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe white wings The Keystone has just adopted Juneteenth as well. It's likely about the easiest and most specifically meaningful date associated with abolition as any.
If I had a mansion with 24 flag poles out front, this would, along with MLK Day, would be one of those days I would fly the black-red-green version of the 50-star flag, assuming copies of thata re for sale and I'm not sure they are.
Anytime I wanted a flag honoring the heritage of my Southern compatriots, it would be more likely either a Bloodstained or a Stainless Banner, definitely *not8 a Battle Flag



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Shan says:
(Thu Jun 20 13:14:03 2019 49.181.245.253|64.233.173.172) [Edit/Delete]
Sounds like a lot of what I've
heard has been covered by others in
their comments.

On the subject of looking to the
future ... (relatively speaking)

a) Anyone here follow any
webcomics?

b) Any objections to putting
forward the ones I help on or my
(relatively new) webcomic friends
work on.

I know it's a bit rich to disappear
for years (again) and now bring
this up but I swear I only just
thought of it after I remembered
I'd been absent for a bit (again).

Luckily the archives are still here
for my birthday, thanks everyone
for the yearly shoutout and best
wishes!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 20 12:15:54 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Thursday June 20th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Ember
Little Bubbles
KittyWillow
Slayfaith
Thad the Banished

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ember, Little Bubbles, KittyWillow
Slayfaith, Thad the Banished



Mal: Well, you were right about this being a bad idea. Zoe: Thanks for sayin', sir.
'Serenity'


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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 20 06:43:19 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

"snort" LOL

I always thought David got more satisfaction playing Seeley Booth than playing
Angel.


WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 20 06:10:13 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Noooo, I do not (blast, my iPad apostrophes are edited out) recall hearing that
he ever spoke badly about the show or any person associated with it. It was more my impression
that he preferred to not speak of it at all. He would go on about other projects, but only briefly about
AtS. If someone gushed about his soulful expression (I hear you snorting, stop it), he would say
something like *That was just me looking peculiar.* Possibly he was being self-deprecating.
OTOH, you may recall that there was some, ah, criticism of his acting ability, and he seemed
practically incoherent in interviews. He may have wanted to distance himself from that experience. I
have wondered if he might have been actually embarrassed about playing a fantasy character that
inspired strong emotions (good or bad) in the audience, but I do not know.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 20 05:08:19 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

There was a time when David Boreanaz not speak well of AtS?

WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 20 02:31:45 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I'm sorry you don't have Juneteenth. Apparently about 46 states made it a holiday. I can't quite see why, because I thought the circumstances were peculiar to Texas, but it's an event worth celebrating. And for states trying to create a holiday each month for employees, it takes care of June.

We also have MLK Day. They have to do some careful planning to ensure that it is celebrated on a different day than Confederate Heroes Day. *g*

wolfguard - David Boreanaz has seemed more respectful in later years of his Angle - sorry - Angel days (when I've run across an interview). Of course it's just words, but it's prudent policy. It's early to say who will be present at a con in NYC in October, but I'm not going, anyway. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 20 01:30:33 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Shan,

I've a memory of having read or heard David Boreanaz saying he doesn't have a
lot of interest in looking at the past. I don't know what the current
relationship is between David and Nicholas, but they appeared to get along
during the series.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 20 01:07:46 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Alas, Juneteenth
is not a state holiday in South
Dakota, although I do believe MLK
Day is a state holiday!



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 19 23:50:43 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Belated Happy Birthday Buggo, Calen, IrishGirl, Pru, and Wicked One!

Happy Birthday Aleris, Angeloosa, Angel's Angelus, Louise, Sir Chris, Talullahdahling, and Vaedus!


It's Juneteenth! It's a good holiday, and it's also a Texas state holiday, and as a loyal state employee I would celebrate it, but it's on a Wednesday, and I'm not scheduled to work, so I can't take it off. *g*

I seem to have spent it dozing. When I stood up, some deer bedded down in my yard glared at me through my windows for disturbing them. Some light bulbs I'd ordered arrived. That has been the great excitement for the day.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 19 23:37:30 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit


Category: Angel
Question: In what Angel episode did
Buffy character, Oz, appear?
Anser: In the Dark

Trivia master: notsoshyGirl



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 19 15:57:01 2019 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
In The Dark



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Shan says:
(Wed Jun 19 14:13:02 2019 49.181.245.253|64.233.173.174) [Edit/Delete]
CM

That's the charitable
interpretation from what I've
heard.

Still, he did the 20th Anniversary.

Though on the condition Nicholas
Brendon wasn't there according to
NB.

Whoever it was, it was clear he
wasn't there because someone
didn't want him there at the same
time.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 19 12:43:23 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Angel
Question: In what Angel episode did Buffy character, Oz, appear?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 19 12:19:07 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, June 19th 2019 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Aleris
Angeloosa
Angel's Angelus
Louise
Sir Chris
Talullahdahling
Vaedus

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aleris, Angeloosa, Angel's Angelus, Louise
Sir Chris, Talullahdahling, Vaedus



Willow: That's a work ethic! Buffy, you're developing a work ethic! Buffy: Do they make an ointment for that? 'Real Me'(1)'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 19 12:12:55 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Shan That doesn't surprise me. Boreanaz strikes me as a guy who doesn't look back very often.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 19 05:42:21 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Shan,

I'd not known that.


Christopher Marlowe,


I could probably cobble together an interdisciplinary course in social
sciences or one on international relations (practical, not academic).

WG



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Shan says:
(Wed Jun 19 05:32:08 2019 49.181.245.253|64.233.173.176) [Edit/Delete]
Oh yes, hi everyone. I guess I've
been missing again for a few ...
years again.



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Shan says:
(Wed Jun 19 05:24:57 2019 49.181.245.253|64.233.173.174) [Edit/Delete]
Everyone hear about this?

https://themuse.jezebel.com/angel-
is-skipping-his-own-20th-
anniversary-reunion-1835634893

October 3rd to 6th, they got
(almost) all of the main cast!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 19 02:56:40 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
i am still hereabouts....



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 19 00:17:08 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I miss Clem, I should write a Clem
Story.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 18 23:56:59 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Do you think you could teach a 'Great Course'?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 18 22:58:16 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What character did actor James Leary play on Buffy?
Answer: Clem

Trivia Casting directors: wolfguard!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 18 20:52:07 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Clem

:)


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 18 20:49:16 2019 64.129.18.68) [Edit/Delete]
Wow, slow day at the Bronze!

I have the whole place to myself. Willy isn't even here. Wonder where he went? Only, it does get a bit creepy in here, all alone. This place needs alot more lighting! Especially up on that scaffolding. It sure is dark up there...



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 18 14:48:06 2019 64.129.18.68) [Edit/Delete]
BMW got started making aircraft engines for the German Air Force in WWI, way back when airplanes were a new thing. VVrooomm!

Trivia Girl: That Shark Demon!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 18 12:35:14 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What character did actor James Leary play on Buffy?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 18 12:13:20 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, June 18th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buggo
Calen
IrishGirl
Pru
Wicked One

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Black Aria, DingoBaby, greeneyes, Sushi, WillowLover101n



I happen to be very biteable, pal. I'm moist and delicious. Xander, 'Hush''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 18 12:06:43 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 18 11:43:41 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Belated Birthday
RedCrayon
and Pink Power
Ranger!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 18 05:26:48 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

During the 80's some folks said "BMW" stood for "Business-Money-Wealth". *g*
My father was a car dealer from the mid-50's through the mid-80's. In the very
early 70's I was working out-of-town during the summer between high school and
college. Once when I spoke with him on the phone he told me he had gotten the
BMW franchise for the city in which we lived (pop. ~200,000). I replied, "VW?"
... "BMW". I had not idea what a BMW was at the time. *g*

At the time there were two models, or at least two models we carried. The up-
scale model was a luxury sedan called, I believe, the Bavarian. The other
model was the 2002. Its design was described as a "Box-on-a-Box". No Italian
bodywork, just a small well-engineered 2-door sedan. I can still smell the
interior (never drove one).


WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 18 02:50:53 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper -That is a question, isn't it? *g* I can't remember. In fact looking back, my memories are slightly off anyway. I remembered that it happened on a Tuesday, but Flag Day was a Monday that year. I was still in the hospital the next day (and the next, and most of the next), but it makes more sense that I was thinking about Buffy the second night, because the first night I wasn't moved from the ER until they were sure the venom had reached as far as it was going to go, and I had my parents sitting by my side until they were sure I was safe. Not having the VCR set makes more sense now, since I would normally have set it the night before.

It must have been early in S3, but Earshot and then GD2 were postponed, so I'm guessing that the reruns had started earlier, and it might have been Faith, Hope, and Trick. Of course I could and did watch the tape from the original run, but it never seemed quite the same as "live". ;-)

Christopher Marlowe - I am hereabouts no, but I think I'm about to be thereabouts, unless I quit being drowsy.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 18 02:18:49 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
i am herabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 17 23:13:32 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Cars
Question: What does the BMW stand
for?
Answer: Bavarian Motor Works, but wolfguard's answer is more correct. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 17 20:30:52 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings: So what I want to know is, which episode did you miss due to snakebite? :-)



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 17 19:28:23 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday BCangel, BtVS Chick, BuFfy, Erestor, Pink Power Ranger, and RedCrayon!

lostinamerica - They DO exist! All the naysayers notwithstanding

Christopher Marlowe - I also take a dim view of deer. The local city council actually suspended the deer reduction program locally to pacify the deer huggers. We have to do a study. We don't need a study. We've had deer overrunning the area since it was developed. We know what happens when they don't get thinned out. Lots of accidents and the deer get skinny and they look pathetic and unhealthy. There is not a deer alive who was here before the development moved in. I don't know if we have a problem with Lyme disease here, but we might start to have one.

Having said all that, they are still cute. I don't want them around, just as I don't want skunks. But if they are passing through and I'm safely inside, I can't help enjoying it. It's not logical. At least the skunks have a natural suppression. If there are too many skunks, the owls will come back for a while. As for the deer, apparently the deer huggers would be happy if they (the deer) were ripped apart alive by coyotes and mountain lions, neither of which we particularly want around our pets and children (or us).



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 17 18:15:44 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Bayerische Motoren Werke

My first thought "Bavarian Motor Works" and then caught myself. German
boy, not English. *g*




WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 17 12:41:21 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Cars
Question: What does the BMW stand
for?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 17 12:19:58 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, June 17th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


BCangel
BtVS Chick
BuFfy
Erestor
Pink Power Ranger
RedCrayon

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BCAngel, BtVS Chick, BuFfy, Erestor, Pink Power Ranger, RedCrayon



Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ***! Xander, 'Graduation Day (2)'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 17 12:11:42 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!

wolfguard Nice! I haven't
seen or heard hawks/owls, mostly
because I don't tend to get into
nature.

white wings I have a rather
dim view of deer, Bambi non-
withstanding.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jun 17 11:59:37 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe, white
wings
--I saw a jackalope at the
Jackalope Brewery Company in
Nashville the other day :D



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 17 05:18:00 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Saw a hawk, heard an owl. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 17 04:30:17 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Big Al, Ted, and Tisiphone!

Beware the prairie dogs. They can carry plague! *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Jackalopes? You have 'em too? Are the bagging permits easy to get? *g* I don't know if the flat prairie is a blessing or not. It can be a little mesmerizing, but you won't be running into the 18-wheelers on hills and curves.

I'm starting to see bucks in velvet. There's a doe who seems to think my back patio is her personal highway. That's actually not how I see it, but she does it when I'm settled in my recliner and not inclined to get up and object.

Family has been up, Father's Day for my brother has been celebrated, and refrigerant added to my truck, which was very nice. It's sort of raining out. The hail has stayed to the north, and to the west, so far.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 17 02:23:03 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'd have better
luck looking for jackalopes. *g*

Any critter-sightings with you this
weekend?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 17 00:42:06 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

You have to look down. They're not very big. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 16 23:23:42 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I saw no prairie dogs! Some road-killer though.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 16 22:53:19 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Saturday, June 15th and Sunday June 16th 2019 C.E.

We had NINE (9) Birthdays over the weekend!


Aurora
Aiglos
caryn
english
satanslittlehelper
Big Al
Ted
Tom Lenk as Andrew Wells
Tisiphone

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aurora, Aiglos, caryn, english, satanslittlehelper
Big Al, Ted, Tom Lenk, Tisiphone,



You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats, press one or say 'goats.' To sacrifice a loved one or pet, press the pound key. Phone Menu Voice, 'Conviction (1)'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 16 20:29:13 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

And roving prairie dogs hordes!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 16 20:13:15 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Aside from some
dense fog in Sioux Falls, the trip
back home was the typical drive
across the state: construction
zones, semi tractor trailers and
flat prairie.



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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 16 14:39:48 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Jun 16 20:49:42 2019

Happy Father's Day



Christopher Marlowe - Have a safe drive back.


Ooh, cloudy skies. Quite welcome in June.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jun 16 13:50:54 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Father's Day!




Agent Cooper--That sounds
terrifying :(


DaddyCatALSO--Good luck with
the hearing aids--can't wait until I
need them :(



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 16 10:57:09 2019 24.230.73.198) [Edit/Delete]
Breakfast and hitting the road back
to home.

Good morning!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 16 06:49:29 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Been watching 4th season. Just finished Wild at Heart, the episode
where Oz, fearing the inner wolf, leaves Willow. Pure Hurt. Do wonder what
would have happened have Seth not been looking to leave the show.

Up next, The Initiative. It'll take off some of the pain. :)


WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 16 04:36:54 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
New glass in sliding door. There were
complications that the heat didnt help, but
in the end it was done.

Cake made for brother for Fathers Day.

Day is done.



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 15 18:08:00 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe -
What'cha doin' in Sioux Falls?


I'm waiting for glass people to
replace a broken glass panel in a
sliding door. Dunno how it was
broken. I can guess, but I didn't
see it.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 15 12:55:38 2019 107.77.173.3) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!..

I am in sioux falls sd!



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 15 01:55:27 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO - Good luck getting the hearing aids. Just having that ear cleaned out ought to help a little.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 15 00:17:58 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCATALSO Good luck with
the hearing aids, I'm still paying
for my pair.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 14 18:27:57 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Well, trying for heari ng aids again, (the pair I got in '03 were lost around '06-'07 during the many moves when I r oomed with Luis.) I got an ENT exam before the hearing test & he said I had a lot of wax buildup in my right ear. He dug and flushed for several minutes and got out a large quantity of stuff that was dark-brown, not yellow It took a both 2 seconds in my left ear.
So wish me luck, the grants shut down end of month



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 14 18:25:48 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday anya eliz@, Luv2Bit, Manatree, and MAPGirl!

It's the 20th anniversary of My Snakebite. I guess I survived. At the time, the thing that peeved me most was that it was a Tuesday, and I missed the Buffy rerun. I hadn't set the VCR because I knew I'd be home in time, having left work early to take care of the horse. The hospital had TV, but they didn't have the WB. There were lots of things to be seriously concerned about, and lots of discomforts, but that night missing Buffy was the thing that was just purely annoying. Good times.

Agent Cooper - That fire story hurts the heart, and it doesn't quite go away. If there's a bright spot, it's that there were good Samaritans trying to help, and neither of them was killed. Well, I'm glad you only lost some siding, and no family.

We lost our little dog in a somewhat similar way. That house was one story at the front, and it had deep eaves. There were sidelights on either side of the front door, but there was decorative grillwork over them. It could be opened with thumbscrews, if you knew where they were. They heard him barking at the front door, but the whole attic and eaves were burning. They couldn't be under that with fire, smoke, and darkness, to look around for thumbscrews or try and break down the door. They tried to go around back to a lower level and call him, but it didn't work. It was smoke that got him. The moral of my story is to always have a way to break out of the house, and for the Fire Department to be able to break in. Yours doesn't seem have a moral, unless it is to hope that the oxygen concentrators get to be more common so that people are less dependent on having tanks around.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 14 13:49:47 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings: That motel story is very sad and frightening. Yikes.

The house right next door to mine burned down just a couple of years ago. It was pretty scary, and worst part is my neighbor died in the fire. She was an older lady that lived alone. She had very bad COPD and could hardly breathe. She always had to have oxygen tanks with her, and had a dozen or so big tanks in the house all the time.

I was at work when the fire started, I came over later while the FD was still trying to put it out. But my wife was home. A man who happened to be walking down our street saw the smoke first, and at the same time my neighbor on the other side saw it. They ran up to front door together but couldn't get in, the front rooms were already on fire. They ran around to the back and were trying to get in that way when the first oxygen tank exploded. My neighbor told the other guy about the tanks she had in there, and they gave up trying to get in through a window when the second one exploded. It was too dangerous with those things going off. He told me later there was too much smoke at that point anyway.

Mrs. Cooper was in our kitchen when the first tank exploded, she had not seen any smoke or fire yet, and it shook the house and rattled all the dishes. She ran out to see what was going on while the two men were still trying to get in the back of the house. The neighbor saw her come out and started yelling for her to get out of dodge but she was already running in to grab the kids and get out. (We knew about the tanks in the house) Our house is very close to that one, about 20 feet maybe.

The fire dept came within minutes but the house was already engulfed due to the oxygen tanks going off every few minutes, which really fueled the fire - it was super hot because of the oxygen and it wouldn't go out no matter how much water they dumped on it. And the chief couldn't let his guys go in there with these things going off every few minutes. Boom! Boom! The house was a small one but it took them hours to get the fire out.

So neither the two neighborhood guys nor the FD could save the woman in the house.

The fire melted the siding on our house, but luckily that was all since the FD got there so fast they stopped it from spreading fully to our house. They were dumping almost as much water on that side of my house as they were the fire to stop it from catching as well. Which it would have due to the heat of that oxygen burn, or so they told me.

When they finally got the fire out they found the neighbor lady's remains in the living room. The fire chief told us later that they could see her in there but could not get to her due to the fire and the exploding tanks. He did say she almost certainly passed from the smoke long before that.

We never found out what caused the fire. The insurance company and the fire dept both did investigations, but they never told us what started it. We only know this because our insurance company had to be involved due to our burnt siding. All they said was that it had been ruled "accidental." (As opposed to "negligent", which would have changed the way the fire damage was covered.) Not that we cared. It was just really sad how our neighbor died. Daughter Cooper was pretty upset about that for a long time.


Anyway, it was pretty awful.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 14 12:30:23 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, June 14th
2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


anya eliz@
Luv2Bbit
Manatree
MAPGirl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to
anya eliz@, Luv2Bbit, Manatree
MAPGirl



Don't you have an elsewhere to
be? Cordelia, 'Welcome To The
Hellmouth''


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 14 12:12:31 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
good morning beta!



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 14 04:00:19 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday cabin7man, Hanna, Mr. Morella, and Shaun!

Christopher Marlowe - Good luck. Try to get some rest. It's hot, at least it is down here.

lostinamerica - Words cannot express my relief, both at the repairs and the costs. *g*

Agent Cooper - It sure could have been a serious fire. We had a house burn down in '71. I was in college, and my parents had gone out for the evening and returned to flames shooting above the house. It was started by wiring. That's why this house has smoke detectors and heat rise sensors rather liberally sprinkled around, and the attic has a whole chain of heat rise sensors.

Fire danger aside, I escaped a family debacle by having called two different repairmen. If my brother and family had come into town expecting comfy surroundings only to find the hot water heater and the main AC unit non-functional, there might have been griping. I might have had extra guests that I wasn't prepared for at my house. I love my family, but I've lived alone for a long time. ;-)

That's a great story about your carbon monoxide detector. Now it's funny, but I'm sure it was totally exhausting at the time. I'm glad you got everyone out, and that your fire department was tolerant and responsive. I had a coworker die in a motel from carbon monoxide. They thought they'd cleared everyone, but they only spoke to him and he collapsed before getting to the door. It's nothing to play around with.

wolfguard - I hate to do this, but I agree with your assessment that " it shows how a sharp mind can take any material and shape it to fit a desired analysis." I don't mind agreeing with you, but it does remove the opportunity for much discussion. I wasn't impressed with his trying to compare Buffy's leadership skills (or lack thereof) to the handling of the war in Iraq. If I understood his implications about Iraq and Bush, I think he was off base, even if it became clear that the victory could have been handled better. What bothers me is that his view of big lesson for Buffy about leadership and teams and stuff was the same lesson she's been learning every season, since she came back from LA with shorter, bleached hair. I don't think the political situation necessarily had anything to do with that story line. But I could be very wrong. It could be a question of degree. Joss was beginning to really obsess over politics by that time.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 14 02:56:46 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
long day and even longer weekend!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 13 23:13:55 2019 96.2.193.77) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Presidential Pursuits

Category: Presidents
Question: Who was Vice President
under Calvin Coolidge?
Answer: Dawes

Trivia Historians: notsoShyGirl
although wolfguard has a
great answer!

Forget Abraham Lincoln, vampire
hunter. Coolidge would have
wielded a mean stake!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 13 18:33:29 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 13 18:33:43 2019
Trivia Girl,

Harry Wilkins, half-brother of Richard Wilkins. It's true! *g*

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jun 13 16:37:51 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings: Hey, that's a good catch. That could have been a fire. Great that they caught it and fixed it before it got worse. That's why everybody needs smoke detectors.

Once years ago I lived in a condo with electric heat. No gas. But my neighbors on either side (adjoining walls, it's one building) had gas lines so I got some Carbon Monoxide detectors just to be on the safe side.

One quiet Sunday afternoon one of them kept going off. I changed the battery, moved it around, etc. But it kept signalling monoxide. The air seemed fine to me, no smell, no smoke, no one getting dizzy. And the detector was brand new. Couldn't see why it was going off.

I was starting to think the detector was just broken, but I'm a new dad at the time so to play it safe I send Mrs. Cooper and Daughter Cooper (who is a toddler at this point) outside and I call the fire dept non emergency line.

I stress to the desk person that it's not an emergency, and probably nothing to fuss about, and I explain about the monoxide alarm going off. I figured they'd tell me what to do on the phone. But the lady insists on sending somebody out to take a look. I tell her "hey that's very kind. But you don't have to send anybody right away, we're all outside and I don't even have gas." But the FD lady says "It's no bother. Don't worry I'll send someone around to check." So I hang up and think about sending mom and daughter out to the mall or something while I wait for the fire person to swing by. I figure they'll send one guy over, maybe the fire marshal, to just take a quick look around.

...And within moments we hear the sirens! Multiple sirens approaching fast. I say to Mrs. Cooper "Gee I hope that's not for us." But of course two ladder trucks and a rescue truck come roaring up at 100 mph. A dozen firefighters with masks and CO2 detectors jump off the trucks and search my whole house three times. They're running around everyplace like the marx brothers looking for any hint of gas, CO2 or smoke.

Of course, nothing was wrong. Eventually one of the firefighters examined the detector, and played with it for good while and he couldn't figure out why it was going off either. He decided it was just defective and told me to get a new one.

Naturally I was pretty embarrassed. I sheepishly told the chief how I explained to the nice desk person that everything was ok and I felt pretty bad that they sent all those guys out for a wonky detector. He was very cool about it, really nice. He just laughed and said "we take every call seriously, because you never know. People have this stuff leaking in their home and they can't tell till we find it. People have died from this stuff. And anyway, these guys get pretty bored on summer Sundays. If we don't get calls like this we have to wash the trucks." :-)



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Jun 13 13:06:42 2019 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Charles G. Dawes



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 13 12:39:52 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Presidential Pursuits

Category: Presidents
Question: Who was Vice President
under Calvin Coolidge?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 13 12:34:27 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Thursday, June 13th
2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


cabin7man
Hanna
Mr.Morella
Shaun

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to
Black Aria, DingoBaby,
greeneyes, Sushi,
WillowLover101n



Gavin, ask yourself this
question. What are you more afraid
of, a giant murderous demon or me?
Lilah, 'Habeas Corpses'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jun 13 12:11:08 2019 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Great news! The
cheap repair, not the being awoken
by the smoke alarm ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 13 06:45:43 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

The following link is to a blog written in 2004 by Marc Lynch, a political
scientist. It focuses on his "take" of BTVS 7th season. Nutshell, Buffy's
decisions and actions show what happens when you do foreign policy wrong
and right. I suspect it shows how a sharp mind can take any material and shape
it to fit a desired analysis. *g*

https://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2004/10/joss_whedon_for.html


WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 13 03:32:28 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday DAISY, Delyn, Digger, faithfulness, leelee, lilyana, Petitechou, and RuthieSW!

I was a basket case yesterday because of trying to find the cause of a smoke alarm going off in the wee hours. I was stressed this morning, facing two repair people and hoping one of them could find the problem, and hoping the electric company wasn't going to continue their planned outage. But the world came right. The electrician found that the power cord connections inside the water heater were a charred mess, and replaced them. He replaced one ballast and replaced a whole lot of fluorescent tube lights. We have no idea why so many on two circuits went out at the same time, but all is bright. The HVAC guy, who I wouldn't have called if I'd known it was the water heater, found that one of the main units wasn't actually cooling, but it was a capacitor. I just about dissolved into a puddle on the floor from joy. Capacitors are easy (for them) and relatively inexpensive. I went home and napped the nap of the saved and the thankful.

wolfguard - I wish I could remember the source of my memory as well. I don't think I would have imagined that particular thing. It wasn't anything I cared much about, not with respect to Buffy. I tried a short google, but all I came up with was the claim that BtVS was the first program to use "google" as a verb. Maybe someday someone show-connected will surface and repeat it.

Christopher Marlowe - I hope the enlightenment on interviewing helps you to bring something home sooner!

Thanks for the news of OldManFan. I didn't want anything to have happened to him.

Comma - You can have your inhuman working hours. I can do late, and even early if I'm sitting in bed with a PC connected to work, but early combined with driving to another location and panicking are not good for me. *g* But I'm grateful that there are those who can deal with that kind of thing.

Congratulations on your great-grandfish. "Ghostly Marshmallow" seems odd, but if it works for a child, then it must be perfect. ;-)

Agent Cooper - *glare* The Angelpuppets are NOT creepy. Did you know they come in regular, werewolf-damaged, and vampire versions? Small and life-sized? *g* Since the peroxide pest was never changed, his version seems rather wanna-puppet-be to me, but there are those who find it cute. ;-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 13 03:18:57 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
anyone still around?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 12 23:55:41 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What episode saw Angel turned into a puppet?
Answer: Smile Time

Trivia Puppeteers: Agent Cooper and notsoShyGirl!


Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the LAST Buffy episode Marti Noxon wrote?
Answer: Bring on the Night

Trivia Script Doctors: wolfguard and notsoShyGirl!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 12 19:02:03 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Smile Time! Even I knew that one! :-)

You know you can still buy an Angel muppet doll online? But you wouldn't want to. That thing is like an eleven plus on the creepiness meter.

You can get a Spike muppet too, I saw one.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 12 13:40:25 2019 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Smile Time



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 12 12:40:49 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What episode saw Angel turned into a puppet?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 12 12:14:30 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, June 12th 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


DAISY
Delyn
Digger
faithfulness
leelee
lilyana
Petitechou
RuthieSW

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DAISY, Delyn, Digger, faithfulness
leelee, lilyana, Petitechou, RuthieSWn



Saffron: I'll die. Mal: Well, as a courtesy, you might start getting busy on that, 'cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness. 'Trash'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 12 12:08:52 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard] In that there were a good variety of candidates that applied, but only a handful that met the job description. The cover letter And when we interviewed those, only one or two actually seemed a good match for what we were looking for.

For example, one woman wrote an excellent cover letter and based on that, she was considered one of the top people. However, when we interviewed her, she lacked a lot of the specific skills we were seeking.

I've been more or less applying to any and all jobs, and I can see a bit more clearly why I didn't move on to the next round.



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Comma says:
(Wed Jun 12 10:21:32 2019 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning Bronze! 0548hrs and I have been at work over two hours. I have a break between phone calls. While my issued cell phone is secured, I have to be in a secured location to take/make certain calls.

In personal news, I have been informed, by my great-granddaughter, that I am the great-granddad to a gold fish. It's name is 'Ghosty Marshmallow'.

All have a great day!

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 12 06:38:20 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

How so?

WG



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CristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 12 04:12:37 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard It helped that
three other board members were also
on the phone, and we took turns
asking questions.

It was rather enlightening being on
the other side of the interview
process.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 12 03:19:41 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Don't think I could multi-task while interviewing someone for a position.


White Wings,

I wish you could remember the specific interview. Until then, all I can do is
ponder and speculate. *g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 12 02:29:47 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Ama, BiteMeGirl, and Mally B!

wolfguard, Agent Cooper - I am fairly sure I remember reading an interview with either Joss or some of the writing staff that Joss felt that either the plot of S7 or Buffy's speeches were heading towards some position that would seem to support something the Republicans/Conservatives were doing or would approve of. I don't know if it was pro-war, pro-self-defense, pro-pre-emptive strikes, or something entirely different. Can I vague that up for you? *g* So they changed something planned in future episodes, but from what to what, and to what degree I never could figure out. I didn't try very hard.

Christopher Marlowe - My sympathies.

My brain feels rather shrunken. I was awakened at 1:14am with a call that a smoke alarm had gone off at my parents' old house. A motion sensor was likely to be an insect. A smoke alarm had to be investigated. I walked in the basement, and smelled something rubbery, and the alarm in the room with two HVAC units and a water heater was going off. But everything felt cold and nothing in particular had a bad scent. I've had the experience of having something inside an HVAC unit flash and scorch, and then give up the ghost. So I ran a fan, reset the alarm (which did not go off again), and turned off or unplugged everything in the room, called the alarm company, and came home about 3am and tried to sleep. But I had to wake up early to get hold of the HVAC guy who knows those units. But not for today. Oh no, the electric company had a six hour planned outage. I don't know if they had it, because there was a light rain in the afternoon. I left work early to be sure there was still power at the house so we could find problems and effect repairs. At least that was working. I think I have to wash my hair and go to bed.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 12 01:46:05 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I wish my mind were that lofty. *g* I spent three hours yesterday on interviews and another two hours on interviews today. But this time I was interviewing other folks for a staff position at one of my non-profits.

Since it was phone interviews, I wound up trying to do multi-task while still on the phone.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 11 23:31:42 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Just watch out for the gutter. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 11 23:26:47 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
physical home, but my mind is elsewhere...



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 11 21:54:58 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

I will plug that into the original sentence and ponder on it. *g*


Agent Cooper,

You are correct. Earshot was pulled because of Columbine.
Graduation Day 2 was also pulled, because of the scoobies blowing up
SHS.1 Later in the summer the WB aired Graduation Day 2.
As I remember, they aired Earshot a week or two before the 4th season
premiere. As I also remember, one or both episodes aired as scheduled in
Canada. Some Canadians were sending videos to fans in the states and Joss
said, ~~ send those 'puppies'.



1 Earshot was pulled both because of Jonathan in the tower
with a gun - even thought he was going to commit suicide - and Xander's
comment, ~ Who hasn't thought about shooting (everyone). Buffy's reply to
that was she understood the difference (between fantasy and real intent).


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jun 11 14:12:53 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Something that results from what is, by any scientific or even everyday standards, a symbolic event.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 11 14:00:39 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Not a man among us can remember.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 11 13:55:38 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard/White Wings: AFAIK the only time BTVS ever changed anything due to RL events was when they moved the episode "Earshot" to be aired on a later date, as it was due to be aired the same week the Columbine school shootings happened. Or I think it was Columbine anyway.

I've never really heard or noticed any other instance of RL politics or events directly affecting the show. Thankfully, Joss and Co. seemed to stay out of that of that sort of stuff.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 11 13:32:35 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

She co-wrote Bring on the Night. The last one she wrote ~alone was
Wrecked.

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 11 13:25:20 2019 206.124.19.186) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Bring on the Night, co-written with Doug Petrie...or Villians



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 11 12:43:01 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the LAST Buffy episode Marti Noxon wrote?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 11 12:23:45 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, June 10th 2019 C.E.

We have THRE (3) Birthdays!


Ama
BiteMeGirl
Mally B

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ama, BiteMeGirl, Mally B



I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them. Lilah, 'Deep Down'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 11 12:15:00 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta. OldManFan is in LA and also dealing with some family stuff, which is why the yays and qods have been sparse as of late.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 11 03:18:08 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

No, no. Recess has to be in sync with the stars to be any good. *g*


White Wings,

I don't recall any of the writers talking about BTVS in light of Bush,
Afghanistan, or Iraq. I will research it. *g* The US went into Afghanistan
shortly after 9-11 which was sixth season BtVS. I do recall one bronzer,
Beldin?, saying he felt a shock watching Glory's Tower falling down
since the WTC had fallen only a month before.


WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 11 02:06:14 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Antipodean, FaithGirl, Flip, Ouroborus, Owen Cameron, Susie!

wolfguard - I seem to recall someone - Joss or one of the writers - saying that the story they planned to tell began to sound too much like an endorsement of Bush tactics. Or maybe it sounded pro-gun control. Something they didn't like, anyway. They couldn't have that, so something changed. But I don't recall whether or not they revealed what changed. I didn't see the season as an essay on power either. To me, it was more of the usual "chase your hero up a tree, throw rocks at him, then get him down and have him triumph". Except maybe for a tossing in scraps in the form of a few last B/A smoochies, and making a comment about Xander's Lie.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 11 01:55:50 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think recess is
whenever you want it to be. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 11 00:55:26 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I am hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 10 22:56:39 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Spaaaace!
Question: How long is a lunation?
Answer: About 29 days

Trivia Lunatics: notsoShyGirl, wolfgaurd
Trivia Dark Side of the Moon: Agent Cooper!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 10 21:06:13 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

What's an ~automatic reaction to supernatural forces~?

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jun 10 20:42:37 2019 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Well it's an automatic reaction caused by supernatural forces.

In the Buffyverse ( and previously, Marvel Comics, it's specifically the two nights on either side of the full moon as well a s the night of.

Werewolf of London seemed to be the *two* nights after.
The Wolfman Larry Talbot seemed to be the moon is full whenever we like it to be. Supernatural w asn't that different; Madison's changes seemed to take p lace ove r a week.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 10 18:04:13 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

It's the synodic period of the Moon. The number varies between less than 30
and more than 29. But oddly enough, werewolves can keep count track of
it! *g*

Actually, werewolves would be keeping track of full moons (and the one just
before and just after, yes?). Lunation may be the count between one new moon
and the next. OTOH, a synodic period could refer to any phase of the moon so
long as the count begins and ends with the given moon being in the same place
in the sky relative to the Sun and the Earth.

This is getting complicated, when is recess?


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 10 15:05:52 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: About 2.5 feet.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jun 10 14:05:53 2019 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Approximately 29.5 days



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 10 12:37:26 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Spaaaace!
Question: How long is a lunation?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 10 12:15:15 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Mondayk June 10th 4th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Antipodean
FaithGirl
Flip
Ouroborus
Susie

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Black Aria, DingoBaby, greeneyes, Sushi, WillowLover101n



I happen to be very biteable, pal. I'm moist and delicious. Xander, 'Hush'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 10 12:08:48 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 10 08:16:14 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

The final scene in the 7th season premiere, Lessons, suggest the
season's theme would be about power...

BUFFY/THE FIRST
It's not about good. It's not about evil. It's about power.

Any stories having something to say about leadership had to wait till
Bring On the Night when Giles arrives with the first group of
potentials. Until the last five episodes, Nancy Holder's "Slayers of the
Last Arc", there were only a few episodes or scenes that touched on
leadership.

Showtime - Buffy shows the potentials that uber-vamps can be dusted.

Potential - Buffy traps some of the potentials in the crypt with the
vampire letting them work as a team and develop some self-confidence.

There was also the scene where Woods observes the potentials doing punching
and blocking drills (Get It Done?)

That's about it. To be fair, Buffy housed them and found a way to feed them
all which is no small feat (how many armies have fallen to deprivation?).
They also had to deal with the communication problem evidenced by one scene
showing all the foreign language guides strewn about the living room.

That's about it.


Beginning with Dirty Girls we see Buffy leading the potentials, but
the focus wasn't on what makes for a good or bad leader, but on the burdens
of leadership. Further, the burdens explored weren't functional ones, but
emotional ones. Essentially, being a war leader means sending people to
their deaths.

The summer and fall of 2002 was when the Bush administration was making its
case against Saddam and for invading Iraq. The invasion itself happened in
March of 2003. I suspect the drumbeats of war colored Joss' season story. He
might have explored the nature of power and leadership, but his hate of war
took precedence. Buffy, his creation, is a warrior. Good stories are driven
by conflicts. BTVS seasons were framed around big bad's and this was the
final season. ERGO, there's going to be one Big Battle before it's all over.
Some of us take swipes at Hollywood for being both against guns/weapons and
yet liberally using them in stories, but Hollywood wants to give the
customer what they want. I suspect Joss was experiencing a bit of cognitive
dissonance.

Issues of strategy also fell to storytelling structures and perhaps the
inclination for surprise. Take the "story" of the American Revolution ...

Skipping the details, consider Washington's problems.

1) Learning what was and was not possible

2) Recruiting, feeding, equipping, training, retaining soldiers.

3) Relations with colonial politicians

4) Figuring out what would constitute success and how to get there through
force and politics. Once figuring that out, persuading others of it (and in
reality this was not a once time exercise)

5) Command and control, intelligence, etc.

6) Implementing it all, time after time


This does not fit television or movie story structure. Joss and the writers
had structure the episodes as a series of obstacles, some solved in an
episode and some across several episodes, building up the tension until the
finale. To create a surprise, there was little strategic thinking shown,
because that might give away the ending. So what we see ...

- Train the potentials
- Learn about the First's plans including why now ('cause Buffy's
resurrection changed the balance of forces)
- Grab opportunities to learn (Get It Done)
- DIVISION in the LEADERSHIP (Lies My Parents Told Me)
- Why is Caleb and the Harbingers interested in the winery? Let's do a raid.
- Learn more about Caleb (Spike and Andrew's road trip)
- LOSS OF TRUST, Buffy exiled.
- Let's capture or destroy Harbingers' weapons (Touched)
- Buffy finds and claims Scythe.
- Willow and Giles research Scythe.
- Buffy/The First say too much and Buffy has her epiphany on how to win.


Joss didn't explore power. Joss only skimmed leadership, focusing on its
burdens.1 In the end, leadership in war was lonely and painful
and thank the gods for good people like Buffy (no snark intended). And in
the tradition of storytelling, the winning play is only revealed near the
end. Joss told the story he felt and structured it for the medium. *shrug*
*G*

1 "Skimmed" (1) It could be lost when followers lose trust
(Empty Places, (2) During crisis, democracy may have to go by the
wayside (Beginning of Touched, living room scene where everyone is
talking over each other debating what to do - ending with Faith shutting
them down)



WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 10 04:25:02 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Bullseye, HiddenSky, Mirella, Ouroborus, Prophet 6, Sarah's Carl, Spooky Magoo, and umbris!!

wolfguard - Thank you for the S7 synopsis. It was very helpful. It doesn't make me more enthusiastic about the season, but I do remember more things that were not dreary about it. *g*

I didn't watch much of Dallas either. I'd given up before J.R. was shot. It's odd how we each retain some memories of it, even though we weren't watching. It was evidently very pervasive. Yes, Bobby Ewing (who, with his wife, were possibly the only decent people in the show) left, or was killed off. That was Patrick Duffy. At the end of the season, they decided to have a do-over. His wife went into the bathroom, and there he was in the shower. *g* And yet, I don't remember who shot J.R. Ewing, and haven't bothered to google. ;-)

Christopher Marlowe - I really hope that the developers keep losing. We've had many battles in Austin. The creek that flooded in 1981 had numerous improvements made to the creek bed that mostly prevented flooding in the years since. Some areas were turned into parks. Creek beds were deepened. Drains were improved. Businesses on the north side had to build large retaining pools along the creek. Businesses on the south side just rebuilt. They've only flooded a few times. There was a different creek that flooded that night, and everyone who turned left leaving a popular BBQ joint lived, and everyone who turned right drowned. That area has seen substantial deepening and drainage improvement around the road.

And then there's our Onion Creek area on the south side of town, which always floods. The land is very cheap. People keep building back. The city won't prevent building on it, but keeps buying the land, and gets a little more of it after each flood.

That said, if an area gets 10" of rain in a brief amount of time, there will be flooding of some kind. One can't prevent all development everywhere.

Maverick - There are lakes that aren't manmade? *g* We are having problems now with dams aging. There have been projects for some years to repair them, and they appear to be working where done, but the management is a hodgepodge of different authorities with different funding streams. We lost a lake the other day when a spillway gate collapsed. It just tore loose. I don't think anyone was harmed, fortunately. And of course there are situations such as happened in Houston, where vast developments weren't even in official floodplains, because no one ever thought they'd have to open spillways to some lakes. Until Harvey, that is. The homes weren't raised, and the owners weren't required to have flood insurance. That was totally preventable and was some mixture of corruption and incompetence.

Are you positive you didn't do anything to that gas line? You're looking very suspicious. I mean, you were there. ;-)

I've spent the evening watching the weather. Rain was predicted after 9PM. At 6:30 I was out in the garden because there were clouds blocking the sun, and the 90+ temperatures didn't feel so deadly. Then my phone seemed to blow up in my pocket. Vibrations, emergency beeps, red banners. Tornado warning! Get to cover! Go to ground! Suddenly there was a smear of red all over the radar map. So I pulled in lightweight objects and checked the TV. They never actually said where the confirmed tornado was. The clouds turned darker. Then that warning went away and they were promising golf ball sized hail. I don't like hail. The lightning map was covered with strikes. The hail fell elsewhere, and I just had heavy rain with bits of lightning. It ended before sunset, and the temperature was below 70. I went out to see what there was to be seen, and there was a streak of lightning that divided into fingers, and each finger divided, and there was a whole web of lightning visible in the clouds. I went inside and have not gone out since.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jun 10 02:43:07 2019 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jun 10 03:19:17 2019
R.I.P. Doctor John (I've always loved his music.)


Christopher Marlowe: I KNEW we had something in common. My hometown is Johnstown, Penna., home of one of the greatest disasters in history: The Johnstown Flood.


white wings: Texas has how many lakes and how many of them are NOT man-made? Texas has used digging lakes as water diversion for otherwise flooding rains. Pretty smart, considering. 187 man-made lakes and perhaps one natural lake?


I spent most of last week with the Gas Company (Consumer's Energy) in my yard and on my street. 3 trucks, 1 backhoe, assorted diggers. They ended up putting in a new Gas line. I am innocent of having caused this, I swear to God.


Birthday Happies to SpookyMaGoo


SpookyMagoo is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #41, in good standing


Maverick


Smooth




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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 10 01:37:43 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Saturday/Sunday were June 8th and 9th 2019 C.E.

We have FIFTEEN (15) Birthdays!


Ali
Lwing
nevyn
Speaker
Spordelia
Veradanthi
x_paulk
Bullseye
HiddenSky
Mirella
Ouroborus
Prophet 6
Sarah's Carl
SpookyMagoo
umbris

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ali, Lwing, nevyn, Speaker, Spordelia
Veradanthi, x_paulk, Bullseye, HiddenSky, Mirella, Ouroborus, Prophet 6
Sarah's Carl. SpookyMagoo. umbris



oyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort. 'Into the Woods'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Good evening beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 9 12:55:22 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good Sunday morning beta!

white wings Yeah, there is still controversy about building anything alongside that creek because of danger of another flood on the scale of 1972 or worse. A constant battle between developers and other groups.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 9 05:49:29 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Briefing on 7th season ...

Act 1

"Lessons" - Opens with unknown young woman being killed in Istanbul, Buffy
training Dawn and the reveal the new Sunnydale High opening. Spike is living
in the SHS basement and appears incoherent. Ends with something/someone
speaking to Spike as it morphs through each past season's big bad, but
ending appearing as Buffy (we know now it was The First, but this wasn't
revealed in the premiere)

"Beneath Me" (Buffy learns Spike got a soul)

"Same Time Same Place" (Willow returns to Sunnydale)

"Help" (Buffy saves a Sunnydale student from death by cult, but not from a
natural death the student 'saw" coming)

"Selfless" (Anya confronts her inner demon)

"Him" (The customary humor episode)


Act 2

"Conversation with Dead People" - (So it begins)
"Sleeper" - (Buffy discovers someone is pulling Spike's strings)
"Never Leave Me" - Buffy realizes they are facing The First. Giles arrives
with the first trio of potentials.
"Bring on the Night" - Buffy barely survives a fight with an uber-Vamp
"Show Time" - Buffy stages a battle royal with the ubervamp to show the
potentials victory can be had.


Act 3

"Potential" - (Dawn maybe a potential. Buffy provides the potentials with a
very special Tuesday training session)
"The Killer in Me" - (Willow makes peace with Tara's death)
"First Date" - (Wood tells Buffy his secret)
"Get It Done" - (Buffy seeks power from the past)
"Lies My Parents Told Me" - (Giles and Wood scheme to dust Spike)


Act 4 The Slayers of the Last Arc - Nancy Holder

"Dirty girls" - Caleb and Faith come to town.
"Empty places" - Buffy is asked to leave.
"Touched" - Faith takes the helm. Buffy and Spike spend the night together.
"End of days" - Buffy pulls the scythe from the stone.
"Chosen" - Buffy has an epiphany. A choice is offered. Battle. Sunnydale
falls. Buffy smiles.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 9 05:09:57 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Has the creek always run through the center of the city? Is that the source of
the name?


White Wings,

I never watch Dallas, but I remember hearing of the year long dream
sequence. Hadn't one of the actors left and then wanted to come back? Did the
dream begin or end in a shower?


Seventh season in a bit.



WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 9 04:21:01 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Ali, Lwing, nevyn, Speaker, Spordelia, Veradanthi, and x_paulk!

wolfguard - Let's see. First NA put Buffy into an alternate reality, then pulled her back to the Buffyverse, and then gave us a "your suspension of reality was really a crazy hallucination." I'm sure the writers (a) thought it was cute and (b) were making a whimsical nod to St.Elsewhere or Bob Newhart. Of course those shows pulled their stunts at the end of the last episode in a "So long sucker, time for you to move on now" gesture to the audience. Perhaps they were drunk with power and decided to take a page from Dallas, which pushed an entire unsatisfactory season off as a dream and apparently got away with it. Well, they didn't get away with it with the entire audience.

I will be handicapped thinking about S7, as I have not watched it all that much.

Christopher Marlowe - I guess it's not the sort of thing one turns into a holiday celebration, but Rapid City did arise from the floodwaters. It's worth remembering. I read a few stories last night, and also a few of Austin's 1981 flood. It's a shock remember that there were no cell phones back then, and it was easy to be completely out of communication.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Edited: Sun Jun 9 00:48:03 2019
wolfguard Not quite as fun. *g*. More pedestrian affairs, screening of a documentary about the flood and a Memory Walk, which retraces the path of the flood, since the flood went through the center of town and a creek still runs through it.

ETA

A more comprehensive site for the flood.


Flood



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 9 00:03:39 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Good Evening Beta


White Wings,

I intend to post on 7th season sometime during the night. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 8 14:03:28 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 8 06:31:43 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 8 15:43:25 2019
Christopher Marlowe,

Events? A sandbagging party?


White Wings,

When you create fictional world that people become attached to, it's a sin to
compromise its reality. Joss and Marti crossed that line when they shot the
final scene from the point-of-view of the doctor, Joyce and Hank gathered
round a catatonic Buffy. High school writing. ETA *g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 8 04:03:22 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I never heard of the 1972 Rapid City Flood. But now that I have googled, I see that it is well worth remembering. 15" of rain, and a dam failure will bring about horrific results.

wolfguard - You still have an unforgiving attitude about NA. *g* That one really offended you.



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ChrisopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 8 03:27:18 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings The current flooding has retreated, just in time for the anniversary of the historical 1972 Rapid City Flood. There are some happenings around town in memory of that event.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 8 03:09:35 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Seventh Season! I've thoughts on it. *g*


... I did have an "unforgiving attitude" towards Normal Again. *g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 8 02:56:50 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - How are you doing? Are you still flooding, or has that flowed downriver?
We went from wild winds yesterday that ripped off tree branches and the flag from the building flagpole, with a bit of hail on the side (at work fortunately, not my house) to summer sunshine and heat today.

As for that Trump fella, he had a dynamite trip, and now he appears to have explained things to Mexico in terms they can understand, although they may not follow through and leave it all to be done again. But I was really fascinated by the sparkle of the pretties in the Queen's tiara and necklace.

I have no more flans. :-(

DaddyCatAlso - That would not have been fun, with life and access problems, and a fairly dark season to echo that. The fandom was pretty riled up towards the end of that season as well.

wolfguard - I recall your unforgiving attitude towards Normal Again. *g* I am unforgiving about many things. But it was still a Buffy show, and there were some bright spots here and there. Giles walking in with "I'd like to test that theory" comes to mind. S7 was better, but frankly, striking a pose, speaking more loudly, putting on a determined face and making a speech does not a leader make, and I had difficulty watching Buffy and calling her leader of anything. But she did win in the end, with the help of the Scythe in the Stone, an Angel ex machina, and the determination to keep going that was hers alone.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 8 01:47:49 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I am still hereabouts!

How about that Trump fella?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 8 00:22:33 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 7 23:57:42 2019 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Just ran through the six season episodes. I very much liked All the Way,
Tabula Rasa, As You Were
and thought Gone was a hoot. *G* The
last scene between Buffy and Willow in Wrecked is defining. The Magic
Box scenes in Life Serial are classic. Became a fan of Once More
With Feeiing
a few years after BTVS ended.

Somehow I knew what was going to happen at the end of Smashed so put
off watching it till just before Wrecked aired. Hated Normal
Again
, it's last scene was the biggest mistake in BTVS history, :)

Thought Bargaining 1 was spot on in its depiction of life without
Buffy. (Who will forget the classic battle cry, "That will put marizpan in
your pie plate, bingo!"

OTOH, Bargaining 2 was a mixed work. Portraying the demon hordes as a
motorcycle gang was an example of why more thought should have been given to
writing demons as basically humans with facial prosthetics. When the writers
took that route they usually produced two-dimensional characters doing one-
liners. How should a demon look? Aliens


WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 7 19:24:44 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Poetry Angel, Raithen, Red Rose, and slayUslayMe!

wolfguard - Horses and snakes? Well, yes and no. We had horses in that pasture for over 20 years, and only a handful of bites. Only one of those was probably a rattlesnake bite, on a pastern, and we had a rotting wound to deal with. The others were more likely to be water snake bites, smaller, usually on their noses, and swelling from infection. We just treated them all with antibiotics and wound powders. The presumed water snake bites would settle down quickly. The one we thought was probably a rattlesnake bite took two or three weeks. Horses develop granulation tissue very quickly. My snake bite ended as a hole about 2" in diameter and a little over half an inch deep. It didn't fill in over course of the summer, hence the skin graft. A horse would have dealt with that in two weeks and we'd have been applying various chemicals to stop the growth. The relatively large mass of a horse makes the venom much less dangerous to them. A venomous bite to the face or throat could cause problems with breathing if there were much swelling, but that situation didn't arise.

It is possible that the sudden extreme lameness that my mare had the night before was caused by a dry snake bite. I couldn't see a wound, but there was heat and swelling, which often obscures punctures before they start to ooze. Once I got to the hospital, I called the friend who lived out there to warn her and to ask her to deal with the leg. She called me the next day and asked "Which leg was it?" It was gone that quickly.

I think the reason we had so few problems was that horses are extremely reactive to anything that sounds like a rattlesnake. Once I was trying to get a picture of my mare grazing in a field of pink evening primroses. I was using a 35mm camera. I took the last picture on the roll, and it started to auto-rewind. It was a buzzing sound. I lowered the camera and the horse was just ... gone. I didn't hear anything. There was just empty space. I looked around, and the mare was in the next pasture. I don't know how she got there. They can move that fast. I once had a similar reaction when I looked down and saw a skunk about three feet from me, locked and loaded. I executed a standing side jump of considerable distance without even thinking. I couldn't have done it consciously. But I wasn't as fast as my horse. *g*

I found the S6 Spuffy story horribly dreary and dingy. There was nothing about the peroxide pest that I found remotely attractive or sympathetic. Others felt very differently. It's a very individual reaction, and not particularly dictated by logic. *g* I didn't think much better of him in S7, but I couldn't in all conscience wish him dusted. I just found his continued presence around Buffy to be a continuance of the dreariness. Again, that's a very individual reaction. When he was hoist by his own jealousy and vanished into the amulet, that's when the sunny came back to Buffy in my mind. valMichael might have found it more palatable when it went by faster. I can't say. That's one season I avoid re-watching. Not that I'm bitter or unforgiving, oh no. ;-)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 7 18:23:40 2019 199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard white wings Between working evenings and VCR issues, I missed episodes of S-6 (including OMWF & TR) and tended to see the ep.s I saw in recordings. (Also the job didn't suit me and my home situation wasn't great.) So I felt like all the episodes were photographed through a distorting lens or on a slant like the movie *Seconds*. It wasn't until late in the season after I had lost that job (and gotten a computer connection to hang out at UPN's Threaded Bronze) that it started to seem nomral



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 7 18:12:48 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Have you ever had trouble with snakes and your horse(s)?


What I 'remember' of the 6th season Buffy/Spike story was Sarah had been
interested in the idea or in working more with James/Spike. If true, she
didn't like how the idea was realized or played-out. Coming into 7th season
SMG said of the new season, ~We're going to put the "Sunny" back into
Sunndyale. *g* OTOH, while a lot of fans did not like either 6th season or
"Spuffy", there were many who did (or at least Spuffy). I recall
valMichael posting that he enjoyed the season more when binge watching
it.

I would have done the season differently. *G*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 7 12:38:01 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, June 7th 2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Poetry Angel
Raithen
Red Rose
slayUslayMe

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Poetry Angel, Raithen, Red Rose
slayUslayMe



I was under the impression that I was your big comfy blanky. Oz, 'Wild at Heart'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 7 12:29:37 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Eh not too many people around to see it anyways. *g*



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 7 03:45:12 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Buffy's Little Boy, DreamSmith, fiver, and marie101!

Christopher Marlowe - I know. It was kind of deserted. Perhaps folks are watching the D-Day memorials? I have been, before and after whup. P.S. Did you leave something showing? *g*



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ChgristopherMarlowe;marrior says:
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holy moly!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 6 12:12:50 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Thursday, June 6th
2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buffy's Little Boy
Danny Strong as Jonathan Levinson
DreamSmith
fiver
marie101

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Buffy's Little Boy, Danny
Strong, DreamSmith
fiver, marie101



You have reached Ritual
Sacrifice. For goats, press one
or say 'goats.' To sacrifice a
loved one or pet, press the pound
key. Phone Menu Voice,
'Conviction (1)'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email
oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 6 11:47:40 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings My temp gig is
ending Friday, so I won't be
working 11 hour days anymore!



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 6 07:20:47 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Fair warning, Im on an
iPad, and I cannot use apostrophes.

As for the snake, barn and after.

The barn was a 60 ft shed row barn in the middle of a pasture filled with tall brush and scrub
mesquite. It had a concrete floor for one side of the barn, which was open space and a center aisle.
There was a one lane caliche road from the gate to the barn, something over 50 yards, with a
turnaround area at the side door. We encouraged barn cats and king snakes in the barn for rodent
and rattlesnake suppression. I had never seen a rattlesnake there (or anywhere, for that matter), but
I knew they were in the brush. We did not walk in the brush during warm months.

Anyway, my mare had come up catastrophically lame the night before. I doctored it as best I could,
and the next day left work early to pick up combiotic and bandages. I rushed down to the barn and
hurried through the door. I felt a sting and thought it was a yellow jacket. Then I heard a swarm of
insects buzzing. I looked all over the ceiling and walls, and finally at the floor. There was this little - 3-
4 ft. - rattler sneaking away to a dark corner by the door and coiling up in strike posture. Young
whippersnapper was waiting on the cool concrete for lunch to slither by, and I came through. My first
thought was that the snake had to be disposed of, to protect people and horses. But I did not know
the strike range and all long handled tools were at the far end of the barn. I remembered that
exertion was bad, and I still had to get up to the house to call for help. So I went through a stall and
left the snake. I thought theyd give me a shot and let me go. Such a city girl. *g*

I am sure you are right about all the metaphor talk biting the writers. They borrowed *spit* Spuffy for
the abuse issues that Marti claimed to have, and Willow was stuck with being the addiction
metaphor. Magic and witchcraft had been a cover for being LGBT, but then they were yanked
around to be drug addiction. Perhaps they hoped we would be so stunned by the flying anvils that
we would not notice.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 6 04:42:18 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings.

Where were you when the snake bit? Did you see it before it struck or after?

I suspect Marti and the writers got snake-bit - *g* - by earlier praise on
how BTVS used monsters as metaphors for real-life teen issues. One example,
parents living through their kids (The Witch). Some other examples,
The Pack, Out of Mind, Out of Sight, Go Fish.

Joss and the other writers had wanted to do the Willow-Goes-Bad for
sometime. I believe they may even have planned for it to happen in 5th
season? How did the idea form? Did it go - Let's make Willow bad. How do
could we do that? - Or - Choices Willow makes have the unintended
consequence of Willow going bad.



I suspect most writers' rooms begin with the first chain: Would't it be cool
if _______ ?! and then explore ways of making it happen.1

I think the second chain makes for better writing, because it has to
develop from the character's personality.2 Next paragraph is a
tangent and then I''ll return to Willow. *g*

A lot of writers and teachers push the "hero's journey" as the archetype of
all/almost every story.3 "The Journey" has steps and one of the
early steps is the "hero" turning away from the challenge before her.
Example: Luke telling Obi-Wan he couldn't go searching for Leia, he had
chores to do back at the farm. Those superheroes that I know, and honestly I
don't know many *g*, are reluctant. Buffy fit this mold. But as much as some
claim "The Hero's Journey" is the one true path, I keep thinking back to
more classic storytelling structure: Something happens that the protagonist
would rather not have happen and they got to deal with it. Now to be fair,
just as often something happens that changes the protagonist's world and
demanding a response ...

Harold Hill arrives in River City and meets Marian Paroo (two protagonists!)


Needed that tangent so to take a swipe at "The Hero's Journey". *g*
Returning to Willow, Willow of 5th season. She was absolutely necessary for
defeating Glory and she did it through magick. She resurrected Buffy and she
did it with magick. Magick wasn't a drug, magick was power.4
Power made Willow feel important. Needed. Special. Without magick, she was
just a girl (Wrecked - second to the last scene, reveals everything
one needs to know about why magick mattered to her - and it was't a trippy
high). Given this, why do you need a metaphor? You don't. Marti and the
writers goofed through default.

Willow's sixth season story was about the allure of power. What does power
do to a person? What would power do to Willow?/What would Willow do with
power?

OTOH, if Joss and Marti had focused on these questions, then they'd have
complicated things for themselves. First, if we've looking at power through
Willow's story, then what's Buffy's story? Second, what's the theme for 7th
season? If we explore power in any depth in 6th season, then how does this
line then sound ...

BUFFY/THE FIRST
It's not about good. It's not about evil. It's about power.

(SPIKE: I remember it being more nuanced last season....)


1 It's the superhero way ...

Wouldn't it be cool if there were a character with superpowers?

- Alien gets superpowers from Sun's yellow rays (Superman). Let's tell
stories!

- Cooler if superhero retained human weaknesses and had to deal with normal
folks' problems. Peter Parker gets bit by a spider. Let's see what happens!


2 Examples ...

- Young boy sees parents murdered and vows to fight crime. Uses his wealth
to develop his abilities and build his crime-fighting kit. What sort of
person does this?

- Young man is lone survivor of a pirate attack that kills his father and
crew. Swears to fights pirates and evil-doers. Develops his abilities and
begins the quest that he turns over to his son. In turn his son turns it
over to his son ... (Phantom)


3 In Myth and the Movie, authors Voytilla and Vogler apply
"the hero's journey" to 50 ~classic Hollywood movies.

4 Willow and magick became to BTVS what the transporter had been
to Star Trek, a convenience that hampered storytelling. Would the
Willow of Bargaining had any problem dealing with uber-vamps? No. So
7th season Willow's powers had to be hobbled for most of the series and it
was done through her fear of what had happened at the end of 6th season.



WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 6 02:58:11 2019 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Angus, Athena, Chrissy, Kez, Shazzy, Slave2Faith, and Sweet J!


wolfguard - LOL! "Summer of the Snake". It really was. Flag Day was the fateful day. 4 days in the hospital, six-eight weeks of changing dressings on a weeping wound, *shudder* debriding same, getting over an infection, then a skin graft and recovering from that. It was during that period that I stumbled on the Bronze and lurked. Then there were years of having my family grin and note that the snake was never seen again.

Agent Cooper - I don't think that Joss actively tried to kill BtVS. He just wasn't there. I think that in S6, he pretty much left it in Marti Noxon's hands while he was working a little with Angel and more on Firefly. She had written some good episodes, but at that point didn't have the subtlety to be a sole showrunner navigating an extremely watchful fan group. Of course I totally loathed Spuffy, which I don't think was particularly her fault, but the anvils crashing around Willow were deafening.

Christopher Marlowe - More free time tonight, or for the summer? Have some of your evening meetings eased up for the summer?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 6 01:43:56 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the first episode in which the character of Gunn was introduced?
Answer: War Zone


Trivia Directors: notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 6 01:35:40 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home! and I will have more
free time to post!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jun 6 01:22:57 2019 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 6 01:28:03 2019

Belated Birthday Happies for Recent Anniversaries:


banana: Maverick Fanfic Recommender #8


Slave2Faith: Maverick Fanfic Recommender #47


amystar: Maverick Fanfic Recommender #57


Agent Cooper: Sorry to hear such tough news. However, ALL Mothers are a tad crazy--mine certainly was--and just look at Mothers-under-stress Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman. Those two should have pled Temporary Incapacity.


white wings, Agent Cooper: On the matter of Climate Change, etc., I draw your attention to The Global Warming Petition Project.


Maverick


Wild Horses




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 5 19:12:41 2019 71.199.128.40) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I don't know what Joss was thinking or feeling in those latter years of BTVS
or during ATS, but I do believe he had no desire to see BTVS fade away to
cancellation. I also remember Mutant Enemy's projects and believe David
Fury's explanation of how ATS got cancelled.

Beginning with the last. Fury said Joss thought ATS looked good for renewal
and by asking for an early decision he'd be able to tell the cast and crew
not to worry about looking for work. He probably also thought they could
better develop the the last episodes to set up the sixth season.
Unfortunately Joss' got it wrong (Possibly because he focused on ATS'
successes and not the Network's bigger game - their entire 2004-2005
lineup.)

BTVS 6th season premiered the fall of 2001 as did Firefly. It's
absolutely true Joss had more focus on Firefly. It's one reason Marti
Noxon was BTVS' 6th season showrunner. That said, Joss was planing for
something big to happen at the end of 5th season. As I recall, BTVS'
original contract was for five seasons. Also remember it being said several
times, perhaps by Joss himself, that each season finale was written such
that it could also serve as the series' finale.

So what do we have?

1) Five year contract ending in spring 2001.

2) Season finales written to also serve as series' finale.

3) Joss writing into at least two episodes that something big
was happening at the end of season five.1


Joss wanted the BTVS "Story" to have closure. Maybe it would be after a
half-season run - Prophecy Girl or when the high school years ended,
Graduation Day 1 & 2. But what-if they got to and through the 5th
season? ~Let us work towards that. Let's tell a big story with a big ending.

I don't know if in third season Joss was planning on Buffy's death, but in
the end that's the story chosen. That's the story the writers broke probably
during the latter half of fourth season.2 Joss couldn't know if
BTVS would be picked-up for a sixth season. Hellmouth, he didn't know if
they'd be with the same network. Going with each finale should be able to
serve a dual purpose - season and series - and wanting closure, Joss
developed the story of Buffy sacrificing her life for Dawn and the world.

I believe by the time they shot The Gift Joss knew the show was going
to be picked up by UPN. OTOH, I also believe at the time Joss finalized the
5th season story he didn't know if they'd be a sixth season. So there were
two possible futures facing Joss and the writers ...


Future 1: BTVS not picked up. Series ends. Series' last scene, Buffy's
tombstone. The End.

Future 2: BTVS picked up. Series Continues, Season's last scene, Buffy's
tombstone. (to be continued)


All during the summer of 2001 the Bronze debated what would happen.
Certainly seemed certain, *g*, that Buffy would return - probably alive -
but how? My position was it didn't matter how she came back, though I
assumed it would be through magick. What mattered is what would be the
consequences? I thought they'd have to be dire. If not, then Buffy's death
would have little real meaning. Gravitas is lost. Just another fantasy story
that treats death as a plot device.

So we got Dark Buffy and fandom has debated it ever since. Marti Noxon
debates it. *g* But I don't believe Joss was trying to run the show down. He
chose to end 5th season with Buffy's death and began 6th season with her
resurrection. The resurrection came with payback. Some fans didn't want to
pay the coin. *g*


1 FAITH ~ Little Miss Muffet, Counting back from 730
(Graduation Day 2. 730 days = (2)x(365) = 2 years)

A year later in Restless

BUFFY (looking at her desk clock, showing 7:30) ~ I'm late! (Somewhere to
go)

TARA ~ That clock's wrong.


2 I'm guessing here, I don't know how Mutant Enemy scheduled.
But, shooting would have begun during the 2000 summer so there had to be an
outline, very detailed early on and less so the further into 5th season.



WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 5 15:46:50 2019 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
War Zone



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 5 13:33:30 2019 66.152.102.250) [Edit/Delete]
I still believe Joss got Angel cancelled on purpose. He was pretty much done with the Buffyverse and wanted to move on. I get the sense he couldn't just walk away, but saw an opportunity to end it and took it.

He also did his best to kill BTVS when it was still doing well (See Season 6). I get the sense he had just gotten tired of it and wanted out to move on to bigger things.

It happens to actors all the time. You're nobody and then you make it big with the right TV show and as soon as that happens you want OUT to go be a big star and do bigger things.

That's what happened to Joss. Buffy was his ticket to the show. I'm sure he loved his creation and was very happy it took off, but after years of doing it, it became an anchor keeping him from other more lucrative work. And so he grew to hate it, in a way.

I'm convinced this is how S6 happened, and some other things too. With buffy the series was pretty mature anyway, and ready to end. But Angel really got the axe from its creator.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 5 12:13:44 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the first episode in which the character of Gunn was introduced?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 5 11:39:42 2019 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, June 5th 2019 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Angus
Athena
Chrissy
Kez
Shazzy
Slave2Faith
Sweet J

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Black Aria, DingoBaby, greeneyes, Sushi, WillowLover101n



And now my boy's in love. All hearts and flowers. But, doesn't it freak you out that she used to change your diapers? I mean, when you think about it, the first woman you boned is the closest thing you've ever had to a mother. Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad. Hm. There should be a play. Angelus, 'Soulless'

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