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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 1 02:08:02 2019 209.159.255.231)
NYE resolutions for the scoobies (post chosen)

Buffy - Relax more
Dawn - Practice slaying more
Willow - Netflix and Chill
Giles - Party harder
Xander - Eat more carrots



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 31 21:40:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
Happy New Year's Eve everyone! Stay safe and have fun!

wolfguard The dead do really know how to get down. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 31 19:28:11 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

31 December 1907


Little know fact, in Sunnydale they prepare for New Year's Eve celebrations by
flood-lighting all the town's cemeteries. It's true!

*g*


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 31 16:46:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: New Year Even
Question Time Square New Year's Eve Ball was first dropped in what year?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 31 15:42:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, December 31st 2018 C.E.
New Year's Eve!

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Anna
atter
Hugs
Little E
Rudeangel

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Anna, atter, Hugs, Little E, Rudeangel



She just... she just did the math. Kaylee, 'Objects In Space''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 31 15:07:33 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay k8cre8!


Happy New Year's Eve!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 31 13:16:56 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for k8cre8!

yay k8cre8!


Happy New Year's Eve!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Dec 31 13:03:23 2018 73.58.128.92)

Happy New Year's Eve!




wolfguard--LOL! I did have a fair number of answers with strongly agree
or disagree, but not all of them. And I didn't choose any neutral answers,
because that seemed to me to be a cop-out--you should answer something :)



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 31 07:21:08 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Mon Dec 31 07:21:41 2018
WILLOW
Oh god. Well I guess now that I know that there's something to know, I can't
not know just because I'm afraid somebody'll know I know, you know?

From a great episode. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 31 05:59:54 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

Kipling is not Korean?!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 31 04:22:04 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings It was slow as well. I ventured out to attending a meeting of women who are organizing the local Women's March later this month and then later was at my weekly discussion group, where we talk about pretty much anything under the sun.



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white wings says:
(Mon Dec 31 00:57:41 2018 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - And also a British perspective. ;-)

Christopher Marlowe - It was a very slow day, chill and gray, and now raining. But the Christmas sweet 'taters have now completely gone into a better place (me), along with the rest of the giblets, and the Christmas Cadbury's Milk Fingers seem to have reduced their numbers. Trying to get in a healthy walk before it actually started raining almost succeeded. All in all, it could have been worse. *g*

How was your day?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 30 23:44:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good afternoon, evening! I hope everyone had a good day!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 30 16:14:22 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Dec 30 05:19:02 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

A very Korean perspective. *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely. I'll probably be buying one or two courses tomorrow.


WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Dec 30 05:10:29 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Leiser, MelWil, Shoe Buff, and Verity!

wolfguard - I don't know about North or South, but she is left and I am right, if that can be fitted in. Or perhaps I should borrow from Kipling: " But there is neither Right nor Left, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth, When two strong women stand face to face, tho' they come from the ends of the earth!" Loosely borrow. *g*

Christopher Marlowe, Comma - I've always preferred the printed page. I still would, except that I like reading on my side in bed without glasses, and my eyes focus differently. I discovered that with iPads, I have about the same surface area as a paperback, and can change the font size easily. Even though there's too much glare I can actually see the print, and that makes a considerable difference in reading pleasure. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 30 01:20:49 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Will you be dong more Great Courses in 2019?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 29 23:13:28 2018 209.159.255.231)
Comma I've always been a fan of the real printed page.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Dec 29 20:22:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, December 29th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Leiser
MelWil
Shoe Buff
Verity

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Leiser, MelWil, Shoe Buff, Verity



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Comma says:
(Sat Dec 29 17:25:31 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Sat Dec 29 17:27:22 2018
Good morning Christopher Marlowe!

I have never read a book on line. Good news for actual book readers:

1. Book sales are up, for 2018, over 2017.

2. Book sales have increased every year since 2013.

3. Indie bookstores have increased 35% over the last decade.


Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 29 16:02:39 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 29 07:54:29 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sat Dec 29 07:55:11 2018
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not think a sequel to the original BtVS movie would work. It's been too
long and the movie version of Buffy was overshadowed by the series. I imagine
a remake of the original is possible, but who would choose to do it instead of
going for a movie based on the series?

I put on my inner-Trump and did the survey. I did this by mostly following two
rules: (1) Only choose strongly agree or strongly disagree, (2) Agree if the
trait is one I believe Trump views as a positive trait and disagree if it's
one I believe Trump views as a negative trait. The results: Congolese!

cc: Lostinamerica *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 29 07:35:23 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings & Christopher Marlowe,

You're both Korean?! North or South? *g*


Lostinamerica,

LOL


Seriously, I suspect there are so many ethnic groups in the Congo that any
composite 'national' personality type would be a very artificial construct.
How many ways could one answer the survey and be classified "American"? If
there's only one way would that be saying there's only one American type?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 29 06:03:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I wonder what would come up if we pretended to be Trump in answering that survey.



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white wings says:
(Sat Dec 29 04:13:30 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Sat Dec 29 05:18:09 2018
Yay quaintlittleshopgirl!

Happy Birthday b.u.m., Mr. VT, and Spiked!

wolfguard - Humph! A facile reason for the song choice, but since we are
speaking of Buffy, I cannot deny that it may be correct. *g*

I seem to be Korean also. ??



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 29 01:27:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard, lostinamerica I am secretly Korean, apparently.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Dec 29 00:49:52 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--I'm. . .Congolese?
WTH?


Yay! quaintlittleshopgirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 28 23:59:24 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Hey there. Tonight I am going to see a play, A Doll's House Part 2, a 'sequel' to the original, classic play.

It got me thinking about the Buffy movie, Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2. Would that have worked?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 28 19:05:45 2018 71.56.125.67)
A BBC online article, ~ What's your secret nationality? Take the test!

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180409-whats-your-secret-nationality


I'm Slovenian. Today. *g*

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 28 18:55:56 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Spike would think different. *g*


White Wings,

Counting was never Buffy's strong suit. *g*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 28 15:06:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, December 28th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


b.u.m.
Mr. VT
SPiKed
Thuglife
valMichael (RIP)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to bum, Mr. VT, Spiked, Thuglife



No, it's shiny! I like to meet new people. They've all got stories... Kaylee, 'Serenity''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 28 14:48:07 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay quaintlittleshopgirl!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 28 13:06:20 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for quaintlittleshopgirl!

yay quaintlittleshopgirl!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 28 07:04:24 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Zeus!

Happy Birthday Cordy, KeepingFaith, shiho, and Tatuwah!

lostinamerica - I'm sure that football never entered into my brother's head. My nephew might be a different matter. I didn't ask. *g* But my SIL and I had a good drive and a good day, if we were a little tired when we got back. OK, a lot tired.

wolfguard - But Buffy only died twice. She lived thrice. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 28 02:53:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Summers....Buffy Summers. *g* I prefer mine staked not stirred.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 28 00:43:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Legends
Question: Who was Isaac Newton's favorite dog, according to legend?
Answer: Diamond

Trivia Master of the Universe: notsoShyGirl



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 27 19:36:51 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

What comes immediately to mind is ...

You Only Live Twice

*g*

WG



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Comma says:
(Thu Dec 27 17:10:47 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Thu Dec 27 17:56:00 2018
My son Jon has the same ability as I. Jon, while his wife slowly slipped away, made a list, in his brain, of everything that had to be done. Once he was happy with his thoughts, he wrote them down. First was the final arrangements. After talking with his Mother-n-Law, he talked to the funeral home and set everything in motion. When she did pass, everything was in place and he did not have to think when her death came. Jon, also, made out list of what he needed to do once he was alone. All the t's were crossed, and the i's dotted. Nothing was left to chance. He wrote everything down before she left us. He then took the plans and set them in motion. Jon is a former Marine. Death is, while unwanted, a constant companion. Carrying on, afterward, is built in.

Another thing, looking back on her life, and actions in the last few months of life, we all feel that she knew that she would not be here much longer. Her and Jon had talked about 'what to do if?' several times. He knew her wishes. She even had a list of things to do if. It included who got the spiders. She had two very large and hairy ones. She even made out a list of when the dogs needed to visit the vet again.

Comma



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Dec 27 13:32:42 2018 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
A Pomeranian names Diamond.
Diamond was, according to legend, Sir Isaac Newton's favourite dog, which, by upsetting a candle, set fire to manuscripts containing his notes on experiments conducted over the course of twenty years.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 27 13:27:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Legends
Question: Who was Isaac Newton's favorite dog, according to legend?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 27 13:15:44 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, December 27th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Cordy
KeepingFaith
shiho
Tatuwah

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Cordy, KeepingFaith, shiho, Tatuwah



Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades. Willow, 'Who Are You?'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 27 13:10:37 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay zeus!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 27 12:48:08 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for zeus!

yay zeus!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 27 12:12:44 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings--There are a few college football games on today, but
I'm sure that has nothing to do with their plans ;)



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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 27 04:42:42 2018 70.112.135.184)
By golly, I think that must be my first Trivia win!

wolfguard - Lorne knew its name. ;-)

lostinamerica - Right there with you. Except I have agreed to drive tomorrow with my SIL to a touristed up place in the hill country a couple of hours away. I have no desire to shop. In truth, the shops that I most enjoyed in years past have closed. But there will be Christmas decorations and it will be fairly fun. Traffic will be horrible, but I've never known a time when traffic there was not horrible, so it won't be any worse. On the bright side, that part of the hill country has fewer of the allergens that are trying to get me now. I noticed that my brother and nephew, given the chance to go with, both came up with urgent work to do. I suspect that it will be urgent work in front of the TV, but they'll never tell. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 27 03:48:20 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I wonder what Buffy would have sung in Lorne's bar/club.

"Live and Let Die"?



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 27 02:58:37 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings--I hate to shop
on a regular day, so you certainly
won't see me out there the day after
Xmas ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 27 02:26:06 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings & Trivia Girl,

Practically none of Lorne's clientele know the bar as the Caritas. Seriously.
Google "Lorne's Karaoke Club". You'll see. *g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 27 00:52:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Double Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the club Buffy and the gang often go to?
Answre: Bronze


Category: Angel
Question: What is the name of Lorne's karaoke club?
Answer: Caritas


Trivia masters: white wings@
Trivia almost right: wolfguard



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white wings says:
(Wed Dec 26 23:41:38 2018 70.112.135.184)
looks suspiciously at wolfguard

Trivia Girl
1) Bronze
2) Caritas



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 26 19:11:35 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

1) Bronze

2) Lorne's Karaoke Club!

Duh

*g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Dec 26 18:47:52 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Boxing Day!

Yay dak!

Happy Birthday SpikeNip!


lostinamerica - Stronger souls than I are out shopping, that's who. *g* I'm still recovering from Christmas. After sleeping very late, l emptied the dishwasher, and now I'm resting up from that.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 26 17:18:17 2018 199.127.148.10)
Trivia Girl "P.B.U.H."?


Comma I don't see anything saying Adolphe Adam was Jewish. But I did just learn Mel Torme` was.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Dec 26 14:55:13 2018 73.58.128.92)
Happy Day After Xmas! Who's out
shopping, inquiring minds want to
know ;)


Comma--Wow, he seems to be
moving right along : /


Trivia Girl--Non-alcoholic
eggnog? What's that?


Belated Yay! LenS



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Trivia Gir says:
(Wed Dec 26 13:30:09 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Double Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the club Buffy and the gang often go to?


Category: Angel
Question: What is the name of Lorne's karaoke club?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 26 13:06:19 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dak!

yay dak!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the wolfram and hart christmas party - a higher body count than nakatomi plaza

does angel have any christmas decorations at all?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 26 12:56:50 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, December 26h 2018 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


SpikeNip

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to SpikeNip



We're still working on a plan, but so far it involves being sent to prison and becoming somebody's *****. Fred, 'Ground State''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Comma says:
(Wed Dec 26 04:41:34 2018 75.143.154.113)
The family, that is in town, enjoyed a great day at my son's house. Jon had separated his wife's clothes, shoes, and jewelry, and asked any of the family members if they wanted certain items. The shoes and the clothes, not taken today, will go to Goodwill. He seems to be taking it really well.

Comma



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white wings says:
(Wed Dec 26 03:43:49 2018 70.112.135.184)

Merry Christmas Beta



Happy Birthday angelnbuffy, Earth Girl, The Berserker, IceLord's Pop, and McLatin!

Christopher Marlowe - Warm is very good way to be, especially since your weather outside looks frightful. But it's a White Christmas. *g*

It's not even windbreaker weather here, but they claim it will get slightly cooler. I can't conceive of eating anything ever again, but if I change my mind, I won't have to cook for a while. Most of the dishes are washed. The family has retired to separate houses and rooms and everyone is pretty much collapsed. I may never get pumpkin pie out of the crevices of a refrigerator drawer (not my fault), but the pie was (mostly) removed, and has been cooked and eaten (by others, I don't even like it). All in all, it was a really nice day.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 26 00:56:03 2018 209.159.255.231)
Warm socks and a warm heart is my status tonight.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 25 22:38:17 2018 209.159.255.231)
25. Paul McCartneys Christmas song is widely regarded as the worst of all the songs he ever recorded yet he earns $400,000 a year off of it.

26. If you gave all the gifts listed in the Twelve Days of Christmas, it would equal 364 gifts.

27. In Dublin in 1742 the Christmas oratorio, The Messiah, by George Frederick Handle was first performed.

28. NORADs Santa Tracker was born from a misprint in the newspaper. A 1955 Sears ad was supposed to print the number of a store where children could call and tell Santa what they wanted for Christmas. The number printed was to the hotline of the Director of Operations for the U.S. Continental Air Defense. Colonel Shoup ordered his staff to give the children updates on the flight coordinates of Santa.

29. A tradition began and continues until this day. NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) continues to provide flight updates on local news, the Internet, and even a special iPhone application every Christmas.

30. The oldest artificial Christmas trees date back to the late 1800s and were made of green raffia (think grass hula skirts) or dyed goose feathers. Next the Addis Brush Company used their machinery that wove toilet brushes to create pine-like branches for artificial Christmas trees that were less flammable and could hold heavier decorations.

31. You would have to use your artificial tree for more than 20 years for it to be greener than buying a fresh-cut tree annually.

32. Nova Scotia is the worlds leading exporter of Christmas trees.

33. Since Dennys restaurants in the U.S. were originally designed to be perpetually open their buildings were built without locks. This became a problem when they decided in 988 to close on Christmas Day for the first time.

34. Almost 28 sets of LEGO are sold every second during the Christmas season.


35. The Christkindlesmarkt in Nuremberg, Germany was first held in 1570 and is one of Europes oldest Christmas markets. It is also the largest in Europe. Folks from all over the world visit it annually.

36. Christmas is celebrated on the 25th of December, which marks the birth of Jesus Christ (P.B.U.H). However, the exact date and month of Jesus birth are unknown.

37. And interestingly, even though the majority of the population believes that Jesus (P.B.U.H) was born on this day, they spend more time visiting shopping malls than studying the life of the messenger.

38. Jingle Bells the popular Christmas song was composed by James Pierpont in Massachusetts, America. It was, however, written for thanksgiving and not Christmas.

39. Jingle Bells was the first song sung by astronauts Tom Stafford and Wally Schirra in space, on December 16, 1965.

40. Christmas might be a public holiday; however, it is not a biblical holy day. The Bible does not say anywhere to keep Christmas as a holy day.

41. Our modern day Santa Claus has to travel at more than the speed of light to deliver gifts to all the kids in the world and he would have 31 hours (considering all the times zones) on the Christmas day to get his favorite job done.

42. Coca-Cola was the first company that used Santa Claus during the winter season for promotion.

43. There is also a website Christmas.com. However, the site is a commercial space on the web. You can shop a variety of things and products related with this giant festival celebrated in various parts of the world.

44. A law in Britain to this day forbids you from not visiting church on Christmas day. And you cannot visit the church on a vehicle. However, this law is just sitting on a piece of paper and is not followed actually.

45. The Statue of Liberty was gifted to the US by the French on Christmas day in 1886. It weighs 225 tons and thus you could consider it as the biggest Christmas gift in the world.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 25 18:19:34 2018 96.3.127.3)
Happy Birthday to Christmas babies angelnbuffy. Earth Girl, The Berserker, IceLord's Pop and McLatin!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 25 18:14:29 2018 96.3.127.3)
yay lens!


deadguy qod

Best Scooby Gift? Snow in Amends!


Merry Christmas Bronzers!



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Comma says:
(Tue Dec 25 14:49:22 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Tue Dec 25 14:55:13 2018
One hundred years ago today, Europe was enjoying the first 'peaceful' Christmas since war began in 1914. The Germans had departed Belgium and land that they controlled in France.

I went out to Fort Campbell, to check the overnights, at 4 AM this morning. There are a large group of people who think that 'MERRY CHRISTAMAS' needs to be classified "SECERT" Not funny!

Comma



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 25 14:07:52 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lens

yay lens!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale mall - no rocket launchers allowed

best scooby gift?


Merry Christmas Bronzers!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 25 09:40:32 2018 68.51.139.52)

Birthday Happies to Jesus Christ


Christmas songs? In recent years only "Mary, Did You Know?" impressed me BUT this year "My Grown-up Christmas List" is a real winner. A few posts back, I linked to YouTubes of Amy Grant (I think she gets better-looking the older she gets) singing it and also a YouTube version with Kelly Clarkson singing with the words scrolling up the screen. The words are particularly touching in a Christmas setting.


Merry Christmas denizens of the Buffy Beta Board.


Maverick


Mary, Did You Know?


Schubert's Ave Maria




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cmarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 25 02:58:00 2018 107.167.127.102)
merry xmas eve!



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Comma says:
(Tue Dec 25 02:24:21 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Tue Dec 25 02:26:47 2018
Christmas 1969 and the guns of the Artillery battery were quiet. An eight day truce was in place that shut the war down. Just before dark, on 24 December, two US Army cargo helicopters, called Chinooks, landed on the battery's landing pad. Along with that days mail, the much requested beer and tobacco products, and the tins of food, if it could be called that, that made up Christmas dinner, three 4X4 pallets were wheeled off by pallet jack. The supply sergeant signed for everything, and the birds took off. Everything was quickly put away except for the three pallets. It seemed that the pallets were actually mail for one soldier.

The rest of the story: A Private First Class, assigned as a cook to a artillery unit, asked his mother, in August, to please send him a certain item that he loved. The mother wrote the company, that produced the product, and asked them if they could help send the troops more than just one requested item. The company, which was owned by two brothers who had been in WWII, responded with a big 'YES'! So, instead of just one item, as requested, being sent to the young soldier, three pallets, with 500 of the product each, was sent to the soldier. There were 89 soldiers assigned to the Battery. One thousand and five hundred, divided by 89, meant that each soldier could have 16 Christmas fruit cakes, with 74 getting 17.

The results: By Christmas night, no one in the unit wanted to see a fruit cake again. By 28 December, the rats and the monkeys stopped eating the fruit cakes. Except for flies, even the insects had given up, on the fruit cakes, by 31 December. To make things worst, the battery had received orders, to move, on 5 Jan. The unit could not take the almost 900 fruit cakes with them. They did not want to spend the time burying them. What to do?

Someone, just before the truce ended, came up with the idea of loading the tubes, with fruit cakes, during every fire mission. So the soldiers started to load the tubes, with fruit cakes, during every fire mission. So the cakes started going down range toward the enemy.

The problem: Artillery units sometimes fire in close support to infantry troops. An artillery round, flying over friendly troops heads, is ok. Hot, sticky, and smelly specks of fruit cake, landing on a soldiers skin, was not a good idea.

The finial solution: The Battalion Commander, hearing of the problem from higher headquarters, paid a little trip to the artillery fire base. After fully understanding what was going on, he decided, that leaving fruit cakes at the firebase, would not be considered, "Giving comfort to the enemy', so the fruit cakes were left behind when the unit pulled out.


The aftermath: Years later, the soldier, who had asked for a fruit cake so many years before, attended a reunion of their Regiment. As a joke, he gave his former battery commander a present. It was a fruit cake. It took four of us to pull the former battery commander off the former cook.

I was not in Vietnam, and did not have to live through the fruit cake problem. I was, in later years, friends with both the former battery commander and the former cook. The battery commander left the service after his required six years was up. The former soldier spent 31 years in the Army. I served with him at Fort Campbell. He retired a Warrant Officer. The former WO died in July. I attended his funeral in Hopkinsville, KY. The former battery commander died in November. I could not attend his funeral out west. Just after the former cook died, the former battery commander asked me for a favor. He asked me, on Christmas Eve, to leave two items at the former cook's grave. One was to pour a small amount of Jack Daniels on the grave. The second, if you have not guessed it, was to wrap a fruit cake, in Christmas paper, and leave it on the grave. The former battery commander wanted his last laugh. He had no way of knowing that it would come after his death. This afternoon, I went up to Hopkinsville, and fulfilled the request.

Mission over Sir!

Charles

P.S.: I will not make this a yearly trip. A joke is a joke. Soldiers, while we may have a strange sense of humor, we truly loved one another, and we are all family.

Charles



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white wings says:
(Tue Dec 25 01:50:26 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay android!

Happy Birthday NicNac, Orit, Sockies, and Strigoi!

OldManFan - This year, The Night before Tuesday has particular meaning!

Trivia Girl - Fangs for the trivia!

To quote Angel in another existence:
"It's Christmas Eve day! Both an eve and a day. It's a Christmas miracle!"



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 24 23:30:20 2018 209.159.255.231)
Christmas Trivia Part 2

16. The Christmas wreath was originally hung as a symbol of Jesus. The holly represents his crown of thorns and the red berries the blood he shed.

17. The three traditional colors of most Christmas decorations are red, green and gold. Red symbolizes the blood of Christ, green symbolized life and rebirth, and gold represents light, royalty and wealth.

18. In Poland spiders are considered to be symbols of prosperity and goodness at Christmas. In fact, spiders and spider webs are often used as Christmas tree decorations. According to legend, a spider wove baby Jesus a blanket to keep him warm.

19. Tinsel was invented in 1610 in Germany and was once made of real silver.

20. The tradition of hanging stockings comes from a Dutch legend. A poor man had three daughters for whom he could not afford to provide a dowry. St. Nicholas dropped a bag of gold down his chimney and gold coins fell out and into the stockings drying by the fireplace. The daughters now had dowries and could be married, avoiding a life on the streets.

21. The old English custom of wassailing was to toast to someones long life at Christmastide and was the forerunner for the tradition of Christmas caroling. In the 13th century St. Francis of Assisi began the custom of singing carols in church.

22. White Christmas, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Winter Wonderland, The Christmas Song and Ill Be Home for Christmas plus the melody for O Holy Night were all written or co-written by Jews.

23. Brenda Lee recorded Rockin Around the Christmas Tree when she was only 13 years old.

24. Famous saxophonist Boots Randolph played the saxophone solo on Rockin Around the Christmas Tree.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 24 16:01:14 2018 209.159.255.231)
Part one of Christmas trivia!

1. The image of Santa Claus flying his sleigh began in 1819 and was created by Washington Irving, the same author who dreamt up the Headless Horseman.

2. The Montgomery Ward department store created Rudolph the Reindeer as a marketing gimmick to encourage children to buy their Christmas coloring books.

3. The original Rudolph did not have a red nose. In that day and age, red noses were seen as an indicator of chronic alcoholism and Montgomery Ward didnt want him to look like a drunkard. To complete the original picture, he was almost named Reginald or Rollo.

4. Clement Moores poem introduced eight more reindeer for Santas sleigh and their names were Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Duner and Blixem (for the German words for thunder and lightning). These later evolved into Donner and Blitzen.

5. Most of these names are male-sounding names. Male reindeer shed their antlers in winter, however, so the reindeer pulling Santas sleigh are more than likely female or castrated.

6. Some leave food out for Santa Claus reindeer as Norse children did, leaving hay and treats for Odins eight-legged horse Sleipnir hoping they would stop by during their hunting adventures. Dutch children adopted this same tradition, leaving food in their wooden shoes for St. Nicholas horse.

7. Dutch children also left out food and drink for St. Nicholas himself to honor him on his feast day. Today we leave milk and cookies out for Santa, continuing this very old tradition
.
8. Americas first batch of eggnog was made in the Jamestown settlement in 1607. Its name comes from the word grog, meaning any drink made with rum. Non-alcoholic eggnog is popular as well.
A woman serves commercially prepared eggnog to US military personnel at a Christmas party. Image credit Wikipedia.org
9. Want to know a useful way to recycle your Christmas tree? Some zoos take donated Christmas trees and use them as food for the animals.

10. Between the 16th and 19th centuries global temperatures were significantly lower than normal in what was known as a little ice age. Charles Dickens grew up during this period and experienced snow for his first eight Christmases. This White Christmas experience influenced his writing and began a tradition of expectation for the holidays.

11. The Christmas tree in Trafalgar Square is donated to the people of London every year by the people of Oslo, Norway in thanks for their assistance during World War II.

12. Since 1918 the city of Boston has received a giant Christmas tree as a gift from the Canadian province of Nova Scotia. Boston lent considerable support to the city of Halifax during their 1917 explosion and subsequent fire disaster.

13. In 1914 during World War I there was a now famous Christmas truce in the trenches between the British and the Germans. They exchanged gifts across a neutral no mans land, played football together, and decorated their shelters. (Read more about it in the book Silent Night: The Story of the World War I Christmas Truce by Stanley Weintraub.)

14. In 2010 during the Christmas season, the Colombian government decorated jungle trees with lights. The trees lit up when the guerrillas (terrorists) walked by and banners appeared asking them to surrender their arms. The campaign convinced 331 guerillas to re-enter society and also won an award for strategic marketing excellence.

15. Bicycle, the U.S. playing card company, manufactured cards to give all the POWS in Germany during World War II as Christmas presents. These cards, when soaked in water, revealed an escape route for POWs. The Nazis never knew.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 24 15:13:34 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, December 24th 2018 C.E
Merry Christmas Eve!

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


NicNac
Orit
Sockies
Strigoi

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to NicNac, Orit, Sockies, Strigoi



Mal: Inara, think you could stoop to being on my arm? Inara: Will you wash it first?
'Heart Of Gold''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Dec 24 13:16:40 2018 100.6.180.182)
With apologies to Clement Clarke Moore...

T'was the night before Tuesday, when all through the house
All the creatures were stirring, --except for a mouse;
The crosses were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that the Vampires would never come there.
The Scoobies were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of slime demons danced in their heads;
And Giles in his rocker, a book on his lap,
Had just nodded off for a much needed nap,

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
Giles sprang from the chair to see what was the matter.
Away to the window he flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to his wondering eyes should appear,
A host of vampires approaching that gave reason to fear,

Led by an old wrinkled vampire bent on disaster,
He knew in a moment, it must be the Master.
More rapid than eagles his minions they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;
"Now, DARLA! now, COLLIN! now, DRUSILLA and SPIKE!
To the Hellmouth with you, from there we will strike!
To the caves and sewers, to our underground hall!
Down below! Down below! Down below all"

So down through the sewers the minions they flew,
With the Master in tow and that monster Luke, too.
And then, in a twinkling, he heard 'bove his head
The thumping of Scoobies alighting from bed.
As he sorted through weapons, and was turning around,
Down the staircase the crew all came with a bound.
Into each passing hand a weapon he put,
"To the cemetery", he cried, "The game is afoot".
The Slayer led and tracked the vamps to their lair,
And, yes, big as life, the Master was there

His eyes -- my how wrinkled! his expression wary!
His claws were like daggers, his demeanor scary!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the color of his skin was as white as the snow;
Most notable though were his sharp pointed teeth,
And his minions had encircled him like a wreath;
He had a broad face and his hands on his belly,
The ground shook when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly.

He looked strong and mighty, a hideous old elf,
And he laughed when he saw them, in spite of himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave them to know they had something to dread;
But the Scoobies attacked and went straight to work,
Soon his minions were toast, the Slayer berserk
And the Master then suddenly jumped to his toes,
And took flight through the caves as only he knows;
The gang wanted to follow, but Buff gave a whistle,
And they grumbled and moaned and started to bristle.
But I heard her exclaim, as they strolled out of sight,
"HAPPY TUESDAY TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT."



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 24 13:05:23 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for android!

yay android!


Merry Christmas Eve!



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white wings says:
(Mon Dec 24 04:44:35 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday DaRkAnGeL Hannah Murray, kendra Gruber, and oldman!

Christopher Marlowe - Good evening!

The stockings are hung by the chimney with care. Part of the food is made, and all of the presents are wrapped. I just caught the ending of A Christmas Carol (Alastair Simm version).

Does anyone seem to be in line for a white Christmas? I'm certainly not. I think I may put on Amends. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 24 03:14:49 2018 209.159.255.231)
Comma Thank you for the lyrics and the heads up on Christmas Story!



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Comma says:
(Mon Dec 24 01:41:07 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Mon Dec 24 02:05:03 2018
Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht,
Alles schlft; einsam wacht
Nur das traute hochheilige Paar.
Holder Knabe im lockigen Haar,
Schlaf in himmlischer Ruh!
Schlaf in himmlischer Ruh!
Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht,
Hirten erst kundgemacht
Durch der Engel Halleluja,
Tnt es laut von fern und nah:
Christ, der Retter ist da!
Christ, der Retter ist da!
Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht,
Gottes Sohn, o wie lacht
Lieb' aus deinem gttlichen Mund,
Da uns schlgt die rettende Stund'.
Christ, in deiner Geburt!
Christ, in deiner Geburt!

Words: Joseph Mohr, 1816
Music: Franz Xaver Gruber, 1818

One song that is perfect in any language.

Comma

P.S.: For all that are into pain, TBS starts playing, 'A Christmas Story', for 24 hours straight, starting at 8:00 AM EST tomorrow morning.

CC



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 23 15:17:29 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, December 22nd 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


DaRkAnGeL
Hannah Murray
kendra Gruber
oldman

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DaRkAnGeL Hannah Murray, kendra Gruber
oldman



I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more. Fuffy, 'Who Are You?'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 23 15:10:06 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Dec 23 13:44:26 2018 73.58.128.92)
Happy Christmas Eve Eve :D


Comma--Wishing you and yours
the best during this difficult
holiday season :(



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white wings says:
(Sun Dec 23 04:24:52 2018 70.112.135.184)
Comma - Your son may be insulated by shock, or practicing some survival discipline. Peace to all of you, if that's possible.

That's a good story!

lostinamerica - Sunset was 1 minute later today! It's coming.

Christopher Marlowe - I have my presents in the same room as the wrapping and one wrapped. It's progress. *g* I also have trouble breathing. Not sick, cedar.



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Comma says:
(Sun Dec 23 02:38:48 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Sun Dec 23 02:40:06 2018
We had a celebration of life for our daughter-in-law today. My son is taking it well. I would be in pieces. J's best friend Heather, told about when J met Heather's future husband. J asked, 'Are you going to treat her well?'. The husband to be said, what else?, Yes. J said, 'You have better. I'm married to a 6' 7" Marine an I'm not afraid to use him!'


Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 23 02:19:18 2018 209.159.255.231)
Happy 3 days before Christmas!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 22 18:20:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings That is a very cheery thought!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Dec 22 12:20:57 2018 73.58.128.92)
Dogmeat--And Happy Belated Birthday to you! You were born on the
Winter Solstice :)


white wings--I'm already tired of the dark, can't wait :)


Belated Yay! Tiggy!



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Maverick says:
(Sat Dec 22 05:20:13 2018 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Sat Dec 22 05:33:10 2018




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white wings says:
(Sat Dec 22 04:52:58 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Congratulations, and a good Solstice. It gets
brighter from here!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 22 02:17:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Happy Winter Solstice everyone!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 22 00:49:29 2018 209.159.255.231)
last present is done, I can avoid shopping crowds now.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 21 19:06:09 2018 209.159.255.231)
Ahhh...the start of my four day Christmas weekend!



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 21 18:24:39 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay tiggy!

Happy Birthday Angelus702, Bell-Gurl, Dogmeat, ektagraph, Erin, KitCat, and LaNi!


I tawt I taw a wolfguard. The world is safe in its firmament.

Dogmeat - Good to see you! A good Solstice to you. The world starts to be lighter!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 21 13:44:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, December 21st 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Angelus702
Bell-Gurl
Dogmeat
ektagraph
Erin
KitCat
LaNi

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angelus702, Bell-Gurl, Dogmeat, ektagraph
Erin, KitCat, LaNi



Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass. Cordelia, 'Killed By Death''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 21 13:34:37 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay tiggy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 21 12:10:05 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for tiggy!

yay tiggy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 21 09:48:37 2018 71.56.125.67)
Belated Yay Angelicslayer23!

Belated Yay Corvus!!



Happy Winter Solstice Dogmeat :)


Agent Cooper,

For seasons 3, 4, 6, and 7 - the writers had filled the 5th or 6th slot
with a fun episode (Band Candy, Beer Bad, Life Serial, Him). Of
course they were followed by darkness. *g*


Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question!

What's your favorite Buffy/Christmas song?

"Have yourself a merry
little Christmas"



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

You respond to a knock on the door and it's the scoobies caroling - do
you invite them in for cookies, run screaming into the night, what?


Welcome!



Good Night to All

WG



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Dogmeat says:
(Fri Dec 21 07:21:29 2018 108.41.138.145)
Good Solstice To All.



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 21 05:54:50 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Hollyn!

Happy Birthday Aeris, Baby Cordy, cliodhnam Cricket, Decay, Kay, lunec, Roxx, Sanj, and Tasremzo!


Huh. I never heard of The Billy Possum! I don't expect to know everything, but it feels odd that there's a whole piece of Americana that doesn't cause even a faint echo in my mind.

Christopher Marlowe - You can do it! Hang in!

I have family in town. But they elected to rest up and meet tomorrow, which allowed me to do some grocery shopping on my way home.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 21 05:34:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
One more day and I will be free until Wednesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 21 03:39:24 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Presidents
Question: The Billy Possum toy was associated with which US President?
Answer: Taft

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl, Comma!
Trivia Funnman: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 21 02:46:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
finally home!



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Comma says:
(Fri Dec 21 00:42:33 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Fri Dec 21 00:44:50 2018
Trivial Girl: I the 'Believe It Or Not' category, I have had, since 2006, a toy hanging Opossum that is labeled 'Billy Possum'. I always thought that the creator had named it. Now I find out that it was a real thing, in history, named to replaced Teddy Roosevelt's 'Teddy Bear'. When President Taft had a very bad first year, there was cartoons showing him chocking on a Teddy Bear.

Comma

P.S.: My Opossum hangs by the tail and, as long as I had it, hung off the mirror of my truck. Now it hangs in my office. Label states copy righted 2004. CC



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 20 21:24:01 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: The billy What-now? You're just making these up now, aren't you.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Dec 20 14:18:01 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
William Howard Taft



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 20 13:43:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Presidents
Question: The Billy Possum toy was associated with which US President?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 20 13:25:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, December 20th 2018 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


Aeris
Baby Cordy
cliodhna
Cricket
Decay
Kay
lunec
Roxx
Sanj
Tasremzo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aeris, Baby Cordy, cliodhnam Cricket, Decay, Kay, lunec, Roxx, Sanj, Tasremzo



Wash: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next? Zoe: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up. Wash: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it. 'Objects In Space''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 20 13:15:17 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay hollyn!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 20 13:09:52 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for hollyn!

yay hollyn!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 20 12:44:51 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings--TOMORROW? Ack!

I suggest enlisting their help for
the food prep :)


Happy Belated Birthday Bossy the
Cow!



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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 20 04:23:22 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay angelicslayer23!

Happy Birthday DavidJunky, Greg, Bossy the Cow, kronos, and Ras!

deadguy qod
I'll go for "Silent Night, Snowy Night"

I love my family. Nevertheless, I thought I had until Saturday night to get presents wrapped, get some food prep done, and do the final shopping. I thought I could spare the time today to log into work and research how to fix something that people 'fessed up to late yesterday. Tonight my relatives told me that they are coming up tomorrow. Ah well. At least the decorations are done.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 20 00:41:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
unnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who sired the character known as Penn?

Answer: Angelus

Trivia Master:
Trivia Funny Ma: Agent Cooper!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 19 20:37:45 2018 199.127.148.6|199.127.148.4)
"Exquisite, pork chops stuffed with caviar and roasted to perfection!"



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 19 14:53:08 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: Penn's Sire, of course. Hah!

Like fish in a barrel!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Dec 19 14:39:39 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Angelus



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 19 13:46:02 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who sired the character known as Penn?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 19 13:37:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, December 19th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


DavidJunky
Greg
Bossy the Cow
kronos
Ras

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DavidJunky, Greg, Bossy the Cow, kronos, Ras



You'd never make it. I'd rip your spine out before you got half a step. Those little legs wouldn't be much good without one of those. Glory, 'Blood Ties''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 19 13:13:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay angelicslayer23!

deadguy qod

How about "Gentlemen we have not heard on high"

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 19 12:47:08 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for angelicslayer23!

yay angelicslayer23!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale muzak -you'll like our elevators

what's your favorite buffy/christmas song? I like 'I saw buffy kissing evil spike'


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Dec 19 11:30:05 2018 73.58.128.92)
Comma--You're already
buying for Xmas 2019?
Impressive :)

I will be doing well to start in
the summer, like
ChristopherMarlowe. What I
need to do is when I see something
I think someone will like, I
should go ahead and get it then.

And I know, another celebrity
dying too soon :(


ChristopherMarlowe--First a
2-hour conference call, then a
long board meeting--what the heck
is going on over there?


white wings--I've started
getting people experiences--for
example, we've been trying to go
to dinner with my husband's sister
and her husband for most of the
year but haven't managed to get it
on the calendar, so for Xmas I got
them a nice card for drinks and
dinner with us and we'll schedule
it while we're at Xmas dinner :)


Belated Yay! Corvus!



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white wings says:
(Wed Dec 19 04:33:32 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Corvus!

Happy Birthday Agatha, Dayetriper, GAPeach, GrannySlice, Jocasta, Oz-27, Sultress, teena, and vilia_100

Christopher Marlowe - I was just wondering about not seeing wolfguard for a bit. Something like that would be the ultimate wolfguard-catnip. But he has a dark history of internet disruptions, so one can't help but worry a bit. I'm glad you escaped your board meeting.

Agent Cooper - I always think of Puppet Show as a comedy, but mostly for that very last scene with Willow, Xander, and Buffy trying to recite something from Oedipus. Perhaps also for the look on Giles' face when Snyder volunteered the three for the talent show. *g* I think that with those three episodes, Joss was leading us down the trail to the ultimate loss and triumph of Prophecy Girl. Compared to what he did to us in Becoming, the ending sequence of S1 is relatively benign.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 19 03:15:02 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard appears to be buried in 'Great Courses', so that's why I haven't seen him on the board lately.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 19 02:01:19 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who were the members of the Nerd Trio?
Answer: warren, jonathan, Andrew

Trivia master: notsoShyGirl!
Trivia comedian: Agent Cooper.



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cmarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 18 23:46:28 2018 107.167.127.97)
trapped in a board meeting



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Dec 18 21:40:52 2018 199.127.148.10)
Agent cooper With S-1 being so short, it was almost a n extended pilot.
Is "Fake Shemp" just making words up for humorous effect, or are you talking about an actual performer?



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Comma says:
(Tue Dec 18 19:29:33 2018 75.143.154.113)
R.I.P. Penny Marshall!

Charles



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 18 16:48:08 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: Moe, Larry and Curly. And sometimes Shemp. And Fake Shemp.


Bronze Rewatch: Sunday night I watched 3 episodes in a row with Daughter Cooper: Puppet Show, Nightmares and Out of Sight, Out of Mind. I'd forgotten how truly creepy those three eps were. I was a bit worried about Daughter being okay (she's in 6th grade) but she was fine, just a bit creeped out at some points. But I got a pretty fair wiggins myself at a few parts, so it was even. :-)

Interesting how they aired three very dark eps in a row like that. I believe the rule of thumb for most TV shows is to sprinkle a lighter ep in between the serious stuff.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Dec 18 14:17:24 2018 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Warren Mears, Jonathan Levinson and Andrew Wells



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 18 13:47:12 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who were the members of the Nerd Trio?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 18 13:20:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday December 18th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Agatha
Dayetriper
GAPeach
GrannySlice
Jocasta
Oz-27
Sultress
teena
vilia_100

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Agatha, Dayetriper, GAPeach, GrannySlice, Jocasta, Oz-27, Sultress, teena, vilia_100



Doesn't matter that we took him off that boat, Shepherd, it's the place he's going to live from now on. Mal, 'Bushwhacked'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 18 13:12:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay corvus!

deadguy qod

Invite them in for cookies of course!



Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 18 12:59:11 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for corvus

yay corvus!

todays deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale carolers - baby it's never cold outside

you respond to a knock on the door and it's the scoobies caroling - do you invite them in for cookies, run screaming into the night, what?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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white wings says:
(Tue Dec 18 04:22:14 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - No, you still win the frozen prize. My weather ap shows that you are at 38, and my thermometer shows 47. But we seem to be settling into a pattern for the next week with highs in the 50-60s, and lows in the 40s.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 18 03:32:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings * waves back *

I wonder if where I am is warmer then where you are. *g*



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white wings says:
(Tue Dec 18 02:57:10 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Suzanne!

Happy Birthday Cassie, Shannon14, and Whirlwind!


Comma - You just reminded me of a Christmas half a century ago in London, when the little apartment we were camping in pending more permanent living arrangements was close to a flea market. My duties included escorting each parent on shopping trips in an effort to prevent duplication. In the end one parent or another snuck out alone and each one received a decanter set. But different sets, at least.

Christopher Marlowe - *waves*



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Comma says:
(Tue Dec 18 02:52:42 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Tue Dec 18 03:15:35 2018
As heard on NPR today:

1. 45% more likely to have a heart attack, on December 24th, than any other date of the year.

2. 30% more likely to have a heart attack, on any given Monday, as any other day of the week.

3. December 24, 2018, is on a Monday! :o :o :o :o :o

Comma

P.S.: Our oldest daughter was born 24 December 1976 at the old Fort Campbell, KY hospital. CC



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 18 01:41:38 2018 209.159.255.231)
I am hereabouts



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 18 00:07:14 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Sports
Question: Seattle Metropolitans were the first team to do what?
Answer: Stanley Cup

Trivia Coach: NotsoShyGirl!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Dec 17 16:37:36 2018 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica Very aware of that.



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Comma says:
(Mon Dec 17 15:57:40 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Tue Dec 18 01:30:57 2018
Good morning everyone! We are eight days from Christmas morning. For those who have been waiting to shop, most stores have started reducing some items. 'Tuesday Mornings' is a great little store to find those one of a kind items. Also, do not forget the often overlooked Mom and Pop store. The little hidden away stores have some of the best gems of the Christmas present world. Those still looking for a remembrance of Christmas pasted, check out the flea markets and antique shops in your area. That perfect gift may be hiding there. Please do not let the stress of this season get to you. No matter what happens, December 25 is going to come and go. There are another 364 days that we have to live.

I can remember my early days, with a young family, having to wait until my 15th December pay, to start Christmas shopping. Thank goodness I could converse in German. Monica and I also enjoyed the adventure of what we would find. Everyone should spend a Christmas overseas.

Thinking about the movie, 'A Christmas Story', there is an actual search engine dedicated to Chinese restaurants open in your area on Christmas Day. It also list all restaurants open on Christmas. Most STARBUCKS are open, limited hours, on Christmas Day. They have more than coffee: cakes and sandwiches. Make sure to leave the STARBUCKS workers a nice tip. They all volunteer to work on Christmas.

Comma

P.S.: After I wrote this, I took a trip to the local 'Big Lots'. I ended up getting everyone another small gift. There was a great selection there. CC



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Dec 17 13:53:21 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
The first American team to win the
Stanley Cup. They won it in 1917.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 17 13:33:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Sports
Question: Seattle Metropolitans were the first team to do what?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 17 13:27:39 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, December 17th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


~Cassie~
Geo
Shannon14
Whirlwind

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Cassie, Geo, Shannon14, Whirlwind



Time for some thrilling heroics. Jayne, 'The Train Job

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 17 13:20:53 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay suzanne!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 17 13:18:30 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for suzanne!

yay suzanne!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon Dec 17 05:54:01 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Buffy_Addict, keywe, and RED

lostinamerica - Truth to tell, my local family has aged (possibly emotionally) to the point that the presents are the least exciting part of the day, whether giving or receiving. If there were children involved, of course, it would be different. Anyway, the worst stress is wondering whether I ordered things in time to get them under the tree. Only one small shipment left of tasty things left, scheduled to arrive on Wednesday. One of these days I may try making Turkish Delight. Not that my brother would behave like Edmund of Narnia for Turkish Delight. The right kind of marzipan, possibly, but so far he just quietly takes his box and hides it off in his bedroom for later, without any further antisocial behavior. Much like me with Cadbury's Milk Fingers. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Two hour conference calls are worth killing people over, that's for sure. But it's the wrong time of year. Santa would probably disapprove.

Admirable cleaning! Definitely a Santa-approved activity!

My most notable achievement was persuading a garage door opener to open the door. I'm still not sure what happened to it. Unplugging and replugging it in appeared to bring it to life, which I discovered by accident. I did not barf up a snake, I swear!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 17 04:50:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
boy, two hour conference calls are killer.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 16 22:45:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, December 16th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Buffy_Addict
keywe
RED

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy_Addict, keywe, RED



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 16 22:23:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Holiday cleaning, transported four bags of garbage to the dumpster.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Dec 16 08:35:04 2018 68.51.139.52)
Comma: Books? I think you would really enjoy Nelson DeMille's series of books about New York Police Detective John Corey (who later gets assigned to the FBI's Anti-Terrorism Task Force), which starts with "Plum Island." Corey always pleases with his silly, sarcastic sense of humor. DeMille has also written several series with other heroes, one of which, Paul Brenner, was in the Army. Another hero that appears in a series is John Sutter, an attorney. I don't read much fiction anymore, but DeMille keeps it interesting.


Maverick


Christmas Is Coming




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Comma says:
(Sun Dec 16 04:42:09 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Sun Dec 16 20:59:23 2018
Christmas Presents 2018: I had finished, by December 1, buying all gifts except for the three grandsons and my oldest daughter's husband. Last Wednesday night, after I left the hospital, I went to 'Hobby Lobby' to shop. I finished my Christmas list there. I did go by 'Five and Below', which, in Clarksville, is located by 'Hobby Lobby', and bought fillers, such as large chewing gum packs, Oreo flavored candy canes, and large tubes of different candies.

I have already started buying gifts for Christmas 2019. I have a theme each year. Over the years the theme has been: sports gnomes, wall hangings, coffee cups, decorated lights, and, this year, books. Real, hard copy, pages to turn, books. Next year's theme has already been picked. I will start ordering, for Christmas 2019, next month.

This Christmas. for the third time in my life, I have Christmas gifts, bought and wrapped, for someone who passed away. Jon, my son, made the decision on what I was to do with his wife's gifts. I followed his wishes.

Now to my influence on my children. I wrote, on here, once or twice about me being a gopher for the old Gulf Coast Wrestling. Back in the sixties, seventies, and the early eighties, some of the best known wrestlers, of TNT and WWE, cut their teeth in the GCWA. Well, I did more than be a gopher for the promoter. I trained, for several years, to go into professional wrestling. Even after I joined the Army, and was stationed at Fort Benning, I worked out with pros in the Georgia Wrestling circuit. In the late eighties, I did some work for the referees who did matches for TNT. I always tried to keep my family away from that business. While my oldest daughter has a real job, she is a writer, of a online newsletter, for one of the independent pro wrestling circuits. I was always afraid that my son my follow that business. While he has been asked several times to train with some of the guys, he always has said no. Low and behold, my middle grandson, age 13, has been bitten by that bug. He has the size, and the temperament, to be in that field. He has started to work out now. The weight room, at school, is his where he trains right now. In a couple of years, I will start teaching him moves used in amateur wrestling. If, after high school, he still wants to go into the pro field, he will go to Japan to train with one of the bust wrestling schools in the world. While there are gyms, in Nashville, that would start training him at 16, I feel that is way too early. Get the required muscle strength, then start using them.


Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 16 03:11:23 2018 209.159.255.231)
Comma He's got that list, true!



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Comma says:
(Sun Dec 16 00:31:50 2018 75.143.154.113)
SANTA CLAUS: He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you are awake: NSA EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH!

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 15 23:49:37 2018 209.159.255.231)
a nice day today!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Dec 15 22:40:41 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, December 15t 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Angel_lover
AngelBabyDTM
Balf
Count Zero
Willowlyn

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angel_lover, AngelBabyDTM, Balf, Count Zero, Willowlyn



We die horribly and painfully, you go to hell and I spend eternity in the arms of baby Jesus. Gunn, 'There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 15 17:43:27 2018 209.159.255.231)
lostinamerica That's what I did with some of my presents, bought them back in summer.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Dec 15 11:25:44 2018 73.58.128.92)
DaddyCatALSO--But the
closer you get to that age, the
earlier it seems ;)


ChristopherMarlowe, white
wings
--So jealous you're
pretty much done with Xmas
shopping! One of these years I'll
actually do what I say and get
started in the summer :)



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white wings says:
(Sat Dec 15 05:06:02 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay TB!

Happy Birthday CarrotSlayer, memphis, Minnie, Sarah's Stake, and Sioned

Agent Cooper - It's true. You've been very challenging. *g* It's never good to read your answers while swallowing.

Christopher Marlowe - Beta was gone? I guess that's why it seemed slow before I went off to Xmas activities. Well, it's back. It's a miracle and a gift, worthy of the season!

Congratulations on the shopping. My shopping is also pretty well done, provided a few odds and ends fly in via mail as promised. If not, then it's time to panic. Or possibly wrap IOUs. ;-) Unfortunately the cooking is yet to begin.



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white wings says:
(Sat Dec 15 04:51:25 2018 70.112.135.184)
Comma - My profoundest sympathy to you and your family. That's a lot to go through. Your son's wife is now at peace, and I hope that it comes to all of you.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 15 03:00:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
beta is back!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 14 22:54:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Christmas shopping 99% done!



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Comma says:
(Fri Dec 14 22:47:12 2018 75.143.154.113)
It was this time, last Friday, that my son's wife, Jocelyn, went from improving to a complete shut down of her body. By Saturday morning, my son had to make the decision to keep her on medications, which were the only things keeping her alive, or to honor her wishes, DNR, and let her pass away. My son followed her wishes. The doctors said 48 hours or less Saturday night. This morning, at 10:18 AM CT, she passed away.

Charles



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 14 19:19:59 2018 199.127.148.6)
lostinamerica 74 isn't remarkable anymore, but it's not a *bad* run form someone of her generation. Sandra Dee, Janice Rule, Cynthia Myers, any number of others died much younger



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 14 17:33:12 2018 165.225.38.64)
As for the Eliza thing, yeah, that's bad what happened to her. But I just gotta play devil's advocate here and say accepting a giant shopping bag full of cash in exchange for silence, well... let's just say it doesn't put Eliza in a very good light in either.

This incident is Hollywood in microcosm: Sleazy people doing sleazy things and nobody cares because BOATLOADS OF MONEY!

It's just not a good look.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 14 14:34:21 2018 165.225.38.64)
White Wings: Hey! I'm actually (technically speaking) spot on with my answers most of the time. My creative, "out of the box" thinking challenges the Trivia Panel of Judges' staid, old world notions of "correctness" on a daily basis.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 14 13:45:19 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, December 14th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


CarrotSlayer
memphis
Minnie
Sarah's_Stake
Sioned

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to CarrotSlayer, memphis, Minnie, Sarah's Stake, Sioned



And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD. Buffy, 'Pangs''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 14 13:07:00 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay tb!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 14 12:55:45 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for tb!

yay tb!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Dec 14 11:38:14 2018 73.58.128.92)
Comma--OMG, Sondra Locke
died? Too many people dying too
young :(

And I read the story about Dushku--
what a loser Weatherly is, who DOES
that?



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 14 06:11:35 2018 70.112.135.184)
Whelk - Welcome home. It's pretty slow these days, but still here. Once
in a while there will be a gathering of the Old Posters here, in from FB and
sundry other sites. There's always a light in the window for those such as
yourself.

What are you up to these days? Watching anything?



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Whelk says:
(Fri Dec 14 05:07:16 2018 24.140.76.17)
Wow, amazed this place still exists. I lurked and posted here all the time during the show's run.



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 14 04:23:11 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Night Gallery

Happy Birthday Beldin, Cosmic, and Visitor!

OMG! Agent Cooper won trivia? *cackle*

Christopher Marlowe - We dropped 20 degrees today to 44, with a wind that feels icy with little spears of rain. It's not nice out, but it's fairly warm inside. I'm beginning to think cocoa.



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Comma says:
(Fri Dec 14 04:16:43 2018 75.143.154.113)
In March 2017, Eliza Dushku, an actress known for her work on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, signed on to play a major role in three episodes of the CBS prime-time drama Bull, and there were plans to make her a full-time cast member.
Her time on the set began promisingly. The shows star, Michael Weatherly a mainstay of CBSs prime-time lineup for 15 years seemed friendly. And a producer and writer on Bull, Glenn Gordon Caron, told Ms. Dushku she would be more than a love interest.
Then came a series of comments that made Ms. Dushku uncomfortable. In front of the cast and crew, Mr. Weatherly remarked on her appearance, and made a rape joke and a comment about a threesome. Shortly after Ms. Dushku confronted the star about his behavior, she was written off the show. She believed her time on Bull came to a sudden end as a result of retaliation.
After she went through mediation with CBS, the network agreed to a confidential settlement that would pay her $9.5 million, roughly the equivalent of what Ms. Dushku would have earned if she had stayed on as a cast member for four seasons.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 14 03:49:48 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Robert James Fischer became a champion of what game at the age of 14?
Answer: Chess

trivia Mster: Agent Cooper
Trivia LOL: wolfguard!



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Comma says:
(Fri Dec 14 03:38:46 2018 75.143.154.113)
R.I.P. Sondra Locke.

CC



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 14 02:18:35 2018 209.159.255.231)
home!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 13 23:41:16 2018 73.58.128.92)
Happy Birthday Beldin!


Belated Yay! Menomegirl!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 13 19:38:37 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Angling :)

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 13 14:18:05 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: Chess!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 13 13:31:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Robert James Fischer became a champion of what game at the age of 14?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 13 13:24:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, December 13th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Beldin
Cosmic
Visitor

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Beldin, Cosmic, Visitor!



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 13 13:16:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning Beta!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 13 13:14:34 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for night gallery!

yay night gallery!


Happy CD Thursday!



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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 13 03:13:02 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Hah! I was just downing some cinnamon-spiced
applesauce, chilled to deal with the entire lack of cold. It's not Sweatydale
out there, but one wouldn't wear a winter jacket. I'm not even plugging in the
electric fire that no longer heats and only has flames. Enjoy the cider.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 13 02:57:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings I have some hot
apple cider simmering up tonight.
Smells and tastes good!



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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 13 02:45:18 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Menomegirl!

Happy Birthday Alicat, Ben, Chris, Movie Chick, Politesse, and Theda Bara!

Comma - I'm sorry for your loss and the memories of this day.

I feel for your wife, who has probably given up trying to instill conventional behavior, but as lostinamerica said, humor helps. I do not believe that those you grieve would begrudge you.

Christopher Marlowe - *waves*


I snaked a drain, and I won! I'm nearing completion on decorations. Cleaning up after I finish is another matter. The cable guy was working on the box that my cable comes from for a neighbor's problem and he did not disrupt my cable. It was a pretty good day.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 13 02:20:58 2018 209.159.255.231)
i am still hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 13 00:14:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Double Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Answer: Who does Doyle have a vision of at the end of 'The Batchelor Party'?
Answer: Buffy

Category: Buffy
Question: IN what Buffy episode does Angel appear after the events of the 'Batchelor Party'?
Answer: Buffy

Trivia Master: Agent Cooper!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 13 00:00:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay menomegirl!

I imagine the scoobies on some tropical island, sipping pina coladas and listening to island music.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 12 20:38:09 2018 199.127.148.10)
Comma Sorry about your family's loss. At the committal for my mother, we were being shown tot he chairs next to the grave and my pregnant then-wife tripped and fell. My sister quipped "Anything for attention."



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 12 19:13:00 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl I: Rube Golddberg

Trivia Girl II: I dunno, was it "Pangs" ?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 12 14:32:37 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for menomegirl!

yay menomegirl!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale santa store

where are the scoobies celebrating christmas this year?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 12 13:24:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Double Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Answer: Who does Doyle have a vision of at the end of 'The Batchelor Party'?

Category: Buffy
Question: IN what Buffy episode does Angel appear after the events of the 'Batchelor Party'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 12 13:12:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, December 12th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Alicat
Ben
Chris
Movie Chick
Politesse
Theda Bara

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alicat, Ben, Chris, Movie Chick, Politesse, Theda Bara



We'd be dead. Can't get paid if you're dead. Mal, 'Serenity''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Dec 12 11:28:10 2018 73.58.128.92)
Comma--Laughter has long been
a good way to deal with pain :)

I'm sorry for your loss :(



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Comma says:
(Wed Dec 12 08:37:38 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Wed Dec 12 11:07:36 2018
This day, in 1985, still haunts me. A plane, returning from peace-keeping duties in Gaza, crashed, on takeoff, from Gander International Airport, Newfoundland, Canada. There were 248 101st Airborne troops on that plane. None would survive. Seventy-two hours later, I, along with 37 other 101st troops, would be in Canada. The same thing, over the next few days, played out over and over. The Canadians were loading the bodies into caskets. The caskets were driven to a empty hanger on the airfield. An American team would unload the caskets, carry it into a hanger, and place and American flag on it. I can't remember the exact number loaded onto each plane, but once it was reached, we carried the caskets, onto a C-141, and it took off for Andrews Air Force Base. The last plane load, I think that it was on 17 December, had seats, and space, for us to return to the US. The plane unloaded at Andrews, and we were carried back to Fort Campbell Airfield. It would take months for all the bodies to be identified. If my memory serves me, I believe that it was early May that the last body, after being identified, left Andrews. Unless refused, a 101st team escorted every soldier home.

Comma



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Comma says:
(Wed Dec 12 06:01:35 2018 75.143.154.113)
My side of the family has the strangest since of humor in the worst of times. When I gave the eulogy, at my Father's funeral, I said that there are three reasons that Dad is smiling down on us today 1. He is in heaven and the pain is gone. 2. He sees all of his family and friends gathered to say goodbye to him. 3. With Dad being half Scottish, and hated it when we spent anything on him, he is so happy that I didn't waste money on him a Father's Day card this year. My wife was horrified, while my Mother died laughing.


Today, while talking about the funeral home that the family had chosen for my daughter-n-law, Jon, my son, told me that they had the cheapest cremation prices. I just had to say, 'So I can cancel the Viking boat burning on the Cumberland?' My wife, as usual, was horrified, my son laughed so hard that coke flew out his nose, and my son's mother-n-law was laughing so hard that she couldn't walk.

For some reason I am not giving the eulogy for our daughter-n-law.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 12 04:57:53 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard You would have to be a glutton for punishment, I think. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 12 04:27:09 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Being a COS is grueling work, especially if you don't mesh with the CO/CEO.

WG



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Dianne says:
(Wed Dec 12 04:04:57 2018 98.66.211.191)
Thank you, Christopher Marlowe, white wings, and lostinamerica!



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white wings says:
(Wed Dec 12 03:40:03 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Dianne!

Happy Birthday Kestra Troi and Sachiel!


Christopher Marlowe - *choke* Wouldn't that be a meeting of the minds? ;-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 12 02:37:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Have you thought about applying to be Chief of Staff? They appear to be hiring!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 12 01:36:12 2018 209.159.255.231)
Agent Cooper I forgot to post the trivia question on my way to work. At least I got the birthdays done!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 11 15:06:44 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: I hope Notsoshygirl didn't "googol" that answer.

*rimshot*

Deadguy Tuesday QOD: Probably "Silent Night" because that would mean she has an easy patrol?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 11 13:21:28 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, December 11th 2018 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Kestra Troi
Sachiel

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Kestra Troi, Sachiel!



Buffy: Synchronized slaying. Faith: New Olympic category? 'Revelations''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 11 13:10:11 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay dianne!


deadguy qod

Deck the halls, because she's decked a few baddies!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Dec 11 12:21:42 2018 73.58.128.92)
Yay! dianne!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 11 12:14:05 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dianne

yay dianne!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale music - beyond the monster mash

what is buffy's favorite christmas carol?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Comma says:
(Tue Dec 11 04:17:15 2018 75.143.154.113)
Thanks to everyone for the thoughts and prayers. She is still holding on. She is a tough little thing.

Comma



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 11 03:28:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Numerical Pursuits

Category: Numbers
Question: How many zeros are in a googol?
Answer: 100

Trivia Numero Uno: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Zeros: Agent Cooper and wolfguard!



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white wings says:
(Tue Dec 11 02:46:52 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Serina!

Happy Birthday sammie, surleigh, vetrena, and Vodka'n'Orange!

DaddyCatALSO - I can know that there was a long process to evolve the current New Testament, and I can accept that certain tenets may have been injected by essentially good men who were the products of their contemporary societies, and probably weren't even aware of adding anything that would ever be controversial. Indeed, as a woman who lived through things like "all females must wear skirts in public, even when going to school in winter and the snow is higher than her boots and the tops of the boots are wearing her legs raw, or when making 24 hour flights across the Pacific and she's only nine", I am particularly inclined to take a some things we are told came from the Bible with a grain of salt. *g* Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from being content with the end result.

At least up to the King James version. In my opinion, these modernized texts didn't add much understanding and they removed the beauty. *g*

But I'm a sad old-fashioned person who was conditioned to accept the male pronoun as possibly referring to persons of either sex in general contexts, and isn't troubled by it. ;-)

Comma - Thinking of you and your family. I hope the cold, which is just a cruel addition of fate, is improving.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 11 00:36:40 2018 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

You are, as always. most gracious. *g*


DaddyCatALSO,

"Existing" is the key word. The churches have had two thousand years to smooth
out the differences. Now all they have to do is agree on their interpretations
of the same text.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Dec 10 21:13:14 2018 199.127.148.10)
Comma Also praying.

wolfguard Maverick white wings Any differences in the NEw Testament books among the existing churches are trivial at best. The Armenian Apostolic Church used to accept "3rd Corinthians" but not anymore. The Coptic and Ethiopian Churches used to and might still regard some of the early documents: the pseudonymous "Epistle of Barnabas" and authenticated latters by Clement of Rome and Polycarp both first-generation converts who had met one of the Apostles,, a nd the "Shepherd," an allegory written by Hermas, as fully canonical. But otherwise any groups which actually *used* other books are long defunct ("defunket," as Val Bisgolio would say.) Another thing I plan to change if I ever find my magic lamp and wish us to e New Earth:-)!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 10 21:12:06 2018 165.225.38.64)
I will of course, give Wolfguard and Notsoshygirl a few points from my winnings, because I am a good sport and it's almost Christmas.

How about a googol each?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 10 21:07:03 2018 165.225.38.64)
The point is I've correctly guessed the secret trivia answer and should therefore be awarded at least 75 googols worth of Bronze Trivia Points.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 10 19:47:36 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Mon Dec 10 20:09:16 2018
Trivia Girl,

You mean, "oh's", yes? As Agent Cooper noted there are three. *g*

ETA: Wait, you know those are "oh's" so this is a trick question and the real
answer is there are zero zero's in googol!



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 10 17:27:53 2018 165.225.38.64)
Trivia Girl: Well, three obviously!

Googol

These trick questions never work with me!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Dec 10 15:55:49 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
One hundred



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 10 15:26:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Numerical Pursuits

Category: Numbers
Question: How many zeros are in a googol?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 10 14:57:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, December 10th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


sammie
surleigh
vetrena
Vodka'n'Orange

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to sammie, surleigh, vetrena, Vodka'n'Orange



None of it means a damn thing. Mal, 'Objects In Space''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 10 14:49:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
Comma That is so horrible! My thoughts are with you and your family.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Dec 10 13:27:14 2018 73.58.128.92)
Comma--I'm praying for a
miracle for your daughter-in-law, so
sorry :(



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 10 12:30:08 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for serina!

yay serina!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon Dec 10 06:23:21 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Tue Dec 11 02:27:28 2018
Comma - I'm so sorry. There are no words.



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Comma says:
(Mon Dec 10 06:00:14 2018 75.143.154.113)
I was going to stay in DC until the 20th. Plans have changed. My only daughter-in-law is in hospice and is not expected to make it another 24 hours. Her liver has completely shut down and she would die from any attempt to transplant one. I flew in Friday night. I am trying to stay away from everyone because I have a nasty head cold. My son, and their four dogs, will have to go on alone.

Charles



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 10 05:58:33 2018 71.56.125.67)
Maverick,

The first Roman emperor came to power around a generation before Jesus was
born. The last Roman emperor, in the west, was Romlulus Agustulus, in the
late 5th century. I think he ruled less than a year. Rome in the East, i.e.
Constantinople, continued for another 1,000 years. We know it as the
Byzantine Empire.


White Wings,

I believe the lion's share of scholars of religion, classics, and ancient
history believe Jesus was a historical figure.1 Who they believe
he was and who they believe he thinks he was varies. Some of these scholars
are Christians and some not.

If I remember correctly, there are around 5,000 existing New Testaments from
medieval times and none of them are said to be exactly alike. Most of the
differences are in spelling, though there are instances of words, sentences,
and even pages being dropped out. Mistakes happen, especially when copies
had to be done by hand. There are examples of scribes 'correcting' other
scribes' works. The printing press lessen such mistakes, but when a mistake
was made it went out in multiple copies. For instance, there's the "Wicked
Bible" printed in the early 1600's. One of the printers accidentally or
deliberately dropped "not" out of the 7th commandment rendering it, "Thou
shall commit adultery". This was caught relatively quickly and the offending
copies were confiscated and burnt.

Until around the 4th century, there was no "New Testament". Even after
Christians began writing down the stories and letters, different churches
and groups were using different collections. The Marionite Church believed
the only true word of Christ came from the Gospel of Luke and Paul's
letters. Christians argued over which gospels and letters were the proper
ones to use. And there were more than four gospels - a couple dozen or so.
After the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they needed an authoritative
set of writings. Church leaders discussed, debated, and decided on the 27
'books' that would be accepted as canonical.2 There were some
four criteria used in judging the candidates, but I only remember three of
them: (1) the older the book, the better, (2) the more widely used over
geographical space, the better, (3) the book could not contain material that
was at odds with what the church leaders believed were the true teachings,
i.e they had to be orthodox.

For example, one of the gospels being used by one of more of the churches
was not acceptable, because a line or two could be interpreted as implying
Jesus was not of flesh and blood, that is he was not human. I believe the
line went ~~ As Jesus hung from the cross he expressed no sign of pain.~~
There were some Christians who believed Jesus was not a man, but a divine
being, but this belief was not in keeping with the what the Church leaders
believed. Consequently, this gospel did not make the cut (I think it was the
"Gospel of Peter").

What's significant about this criteria is Christian leaders were choosing
which gospels and letters to accept based in part on what they believed. If
a candidate book did not agree with their belief, then it didn't make it
into the canon. So where did they get their beliefs? At least in part from
whatever gospels and letters they had been exposed to in their lives.

So were Christians choosing the gospels and letters they liked or the ones
they had lived with? Perhaps the choices reflected the correlation of
political forces with those church leaders? OTOH, maybe God guided the
choices? Of the latter, why wait so long? Then again, what's a few centuries
to God?3



1 There are a few who believe there was no historical Jesus.

2 Each of the separate writings are called books. Since I don't
think of letters as books, I used quotation marks. I'm being petty. *g*
Also, I believe the Catholic Bible includes books not included in some or
all Protestant Bibles, but I could be wrong - it's been awhile.

3 There's a science fiction story from some thirty years ago
where the protagonist is a priest who's sent to another planet to run-down
who is behind a new Christian church with its own new gospel. All I remember
of the story was that the founder of the new church himself wrote the gospel
and did so because he believed the people needed new stuff. His new gospel
included a dragon or two. ~People like dragons~ he told the priest. *g*



WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Dec 10 04:38:26 2018 70.112.135.184)
Current and Belated Happy Birthday to Candy Kane, Jonathon_H, newtlet, Spikmeister, slyr314, Kenya, liz, and Mayday!

Christopher Marlowe - Here and there, but mostly there, I'm afraid. How's your weather? From here it looks like you are very cold and dry. Are you staying indoors like a sensible person? ;-)

wolfguard - Jesus was fast enough to avoid a lethal trick question, but the man (or the myth if you prefer) seemed to be genuinely uninterested in taking on the Romans. He was more interested in individual responsibility for individual behavior.

I did not realize that the writing we now have was that distant a derivation (having avoided listening to my brother, though I remember his saying that the original writings were in Greek). I'll go with faith, but I also remember that oral tradition in ancient cultures that had no other easy way of passing things down might have been more disciplined than say, a modern game of telephone.

Maverick - As wolfguard said, Christianity is a religion of faith. That doesn't mean that it's fiction. I don't feel a need to believe that every single word of the product of many translations came from the finger of God, but the end product is something that I can accept.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 10 00:22:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
anyone hereabouts?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 9 23:24:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
Saturday and Sunday, December 8th and 9th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Candy Kane
Jonathon_H
newtlet
Spikmeister
slyr314
Kenya
liz
Mayday

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Candy Kane, Jonathon_H, newtlet, Spikmeister, slyr314, Kenya, liz, Mayday



Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. 'Serenity']/i]

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Maverick says:
(Sun Dec 9 20:20:17 2018 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard, white wings: The Bible has lots of things in it that were unrecorded by the world at large. IT is considered by many as a HIStory book. As to the Christ story, I believe what is written in the Bible by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is Inspired and I'm glad we have it rather than it NOT be recorded at all. It certainly helps me make sense of the world. Another thing which has always convinced me (although even if it were not known, it wouldn't matter to me, personally) were the deaths of Peter, Paul, and one of the Jameses (I mix them up) as martyrs (which WAS recorded) and the oral traditions of the martyred deaths of most of the other Apostles (except John, who lived to write Revelations.) If someone wanted to die proclaiming the truth of Global Warming, I might give it a second thought. Paul was beheaded and Peter crucified upside down (ouch!) I wonder if this was in "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" or whether they were just part of the general carnage.


Maverick


Last Christmas




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 9 14:00:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta! Double birthdays at some point today!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Dec 9 08:43:24 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

Dead Man's Party, of course! *g*

...

I did not mean to imply Jesus was afraid of the Romans, rather he wasn't
going to play into the hands of an adversary by a direct answer to a trick
question.

Christianity's origin is Jesus' words, actions, and death - and for those
who believe, his resurrection. How do we know of these? We've read about
them or someone who has read about them has told us.1 So what did
we read? The New Testament. As you noted there are many translations. The
original canonical Gospels, Acts, and Paul's epistles were written in Greek
(ancient).2 Paul's letters are the oldest writings of the New
Testament and Paul never knew Jesus during Jesus' lifetime.3 The
canonical Gospels were written years after Jesus' death, so are based on
memories and/or oral traditions.4

To follow The New Testament back through time is to follow copies of
copies of copies ... to several centuries of debates over which copies of
the individual 'books' were authoritative ... to a period of time when what
was known about Jesus was what was remembered by people who had been told of
Jesus by people who had been told of Jesus ... to two people who by
tradition were disciples, one person who had been an interpreter for a
person who was a disciple, and one person who knew Paul (who never met
Jesus). Histories of people and events of two thousand years ago sometimes
rest on such small primary sources, but the subjects of interest do not make
the extraordinary claims that the followers of Jesus make in his name. And
as Carl Sagan said, ~ extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

In the end, Christianity is a religion of faith and faith does need to meet
the standards of historical or scientific proof.


1 There's also archaeological findings which may bolster or
weaken written sources.

2 Jesus spoke Aramaic.

3 Any personal experience Paul claims for interacting with Jesus
are outside the reach of historical methodologies. This is true for all
claims anyone makes of a subjective experience. For instance, "I prayed and
God told me not to take passage on the Titanic."

4 I know many believe they were written by the disciples.
However, as I recall "Mark" was an interpreter for Peter and "Luke" was a
companion of Paul's. No eyewitnesses here.



WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Dec 9 06:06:13 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Spikmeister!


wolfguard - Dead Man's Party "Isn't it pretty? It raises the dead." Or words to that effect. *g* I guess it wasn't all that early, but it's what I think of as Early Buffy.

I am not shocked that there are stories about the construction of the early New Testament. My brother (the dedicated churchgoer) has been interested in those studies. I, the CEO (Christmas, Easter, and one other occasion) Christian, am the one mentally covering her ears and screeching "LALALALALA". It's like being told that Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy don't exist.

You have stories by people who knew Jesus and stories by people who knew people who knew Jesus (whether or not they were touched by the Holy Spirit). They were translated into other languages, and then re-translated into semi-modern English, and then modernized with occasional substitutions of words that reduced the beauty of the language and possibly changed the meaning in the same way that the earlier translations had. Add to that various official gatherings of people who decided what to include and what to banish to outer darkness, and the supposition that the narrative might have strayed from the Truth does sort of present itself.

And yet scholars often don't believe a lot of things in ancient stories or oral traditions because they are too arrogant or too busy rationalizing what they think they know, when they are just lacking evidence that they believe. Sometimes they run across things, like maybe the ruins of Troy.

*shrug* Excuse me while I go put an angel on the top of my tree. *g*

Jesus would definitely not have lasted long if he had decided to fight the Romans. Yet he set his own expiration date by taking on the money changers, so it wasn't fear that caused him to steer clear of secular politics. There was a difference. The Romans mostly left the religion alone. They used it by getting religious leaders to keep the population quiet, but they didn't try to eradicate it. Jesus (according to the stories) was upset that spiritual matters were being invaded by the mundane, so there was consistency there. I don't know if he thought that the entire world would be ending soon or cared. He knew that it would end for every person when they died. He also seemed to believe that it would be a better place while it existed if people would be kinder and gentler in their dealings. There were a lot of rules for decent behavior in daily living already. You know, the ten commandments, the rules for the care of animals and slaves, leaving some grains for widows to winnow, and probably a lot more things which I don't have in mind or know about. He seemed to want to smooth off some rough edges that developed when people got too dogmatic about Rules.

I think I've hit the edges of my theology. I've got decorations to deal with. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Dec 9 05:27:40 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

The Picture of Dorian Gray

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 9 03:31:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard We did have Joyce's art gallery thingy, but haunted pictures!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 8 19:05:18 2018 209.159.255.231)
happy noontime beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 8 07:18:55 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

Which episode?

For the past few days, I've been listening to lectures on the history of the
New Testament. It's historical and not theological, so it has much content
that would annoy or anger some Christians. C'est la vie. *g* For instance,
if we approach the understanding of Jesus as we would most historical
figures, what can we say he did or do and with what degree of certainty?

That said, my quick take on what Jesus said about Caesar. *g*

As I recall, Jesus had been asked a question about paying taxes by people
who were trying to entrap him into the common people or exposing himself to
charges of sedition. If Jesus had said, "People should pay their taxes to
Rome", then he would have been seen as siding with Rome the occupier. OTOH,
if he had replied, "Do not pay taxes to Rome", then he would have been seen
as a rebel. Jesus turned the question back on those who asked and those who
listened. ~ Give Caesar what is Caesar's and the Lord's what is the Lord's".

Many New Testament scholars think Jesus believed God's time was at hand and
preparing for it was the most important single thing a person could do.
Don't get ensnared with politics and rebellion - it's penny ante stuff.
Focus on God. God's coming. He's knocking on the door. Pay attention. Are
you listening?

*g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Dec 8 04:54:50 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Monique!

Happy Birthday Ana, Angelique's Faith, Erika Amato, KANE, moppety, Witchy Woman, and Xander 13!

wolfguard - Triggers are funny. With you it's a specific memory, with me an event in a specific kind of location. Although I'm not entirely sure that I should be singing Rock of Ages, which I was doing when things went emotionally pear-shaped. But I don't know, and I'm not planning to find out.

I was right and wrong in what I said last night. Jesus didn't try to take on Caesar, and didn't (so far as we know) encourage others to do so. He was, however, pretty interested in taking on the moneylenders in the Temple, and that was part of the power structure of the times. I forgot about them. Perhaps it was a Freudian slip, as it was not helpful to my train of thought. *g* But I promise that I actually wasn't thinking about that.

I still think that Francis has fallen prey to forces that ultimately would use him and destroy his church. He's not the only one that I think has done so. It's a belief and I'm sticking to it.

wolfguard, Agent Cooper - There's a lot of history behind the papacy. I haven't studied the specifics, as it wasn't a great interest of mine. There were times, long, long ago, but not so very far away, when the popes had armies and used them. They were real political powers. Vatican City has its own police and embassies and ambassadors. I don't know how practically autonomous it is, but it certainly preserves the trappings. And as for celibacy, well, there's a reason why Italy has lines of Papal princes. I used to know one. Charming gentleman.

Agent Cooper - Do you think that if priests went around saying that people MUST vote Democrat that their tax exempt status would be revoked. Just a thought. *g*

wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe - *tsk* You are forgetting that African tribal art featured prominently on an early Buffy episode. ;-)



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 8 04:07:03 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Not visual art. How'd the writers miss it?!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 7 23:46:41 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Art!!!! Did we ever have a Buffy ep that featured art in some way?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 7 19:52:19 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Fri Dec 7 19:59:42 2018
Agent Cooper,

John John Paul the II didn't involve himself in politics?! *g*

I suspect some people decide what sort of issues are appropriate or
inappropriate based on whether or not the Church sides with them or not on the
issue. TPTB embraces the Church when it supports the status quo and not when
the Church questions the status quo. People of the faith ask what does Jesus
want of me? How do I know? Through the Church? If what the Church says seems
wrong to me, is that my failing or the Church's failing? The Church may have
been created by God and sometimes instilled with God, but it's run by humans
and humans can be tempted. It's an epistemological nightmare. *g*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 7 17:12:28 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, December 7th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Ana
Angelique's Faith
Erika Amato
KANE
moppety
Witchy Woman
Xander 13

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ana, Angelique's Faith, Erika Amato, KANE, moppety, Witchy Woman, Xander 13



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 7 15:34:03 2018 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 7 15:15:38 2018 165.225.38.64)
Daddycatalso: I still think you should go with my Winds of War Plus Vampires thing. It's a sure winner, I'm tellin ya!

You could make it a Young Adult book series. Scholastic would gobble it up.

We'll split the royalties, 50/50!

I can almost hear Hollywood begging for the film rights now..



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 7 15:10:21 2018 165.225.38.64)
Wolfguard: Yes, I probably worded my earlier rant poorly. The church has always been marred by internal politics. And external politics. But there has historically always been a bit of distance kept between the church and the dodgy hot button political issues of the day.

In modern times The pope would rarely directly involve himself in such things, or try to influence things on that scale. If he did, he would do so very subtly. Never in a direct, confrontational way. As it should be.

In other words, the church rarely officially picks a side, except on matters directly within the scope of the faith.

For instance you would never hear a Pope say "All Catholics in the US MUST vote democrat this year!"

This pope hasn't gone quite that far, but he's definitely dancing on a line.

CC White Wings



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 7 15:08:10 2018 199.127.148.6)
Maverick I'm not sure what you mean but I've kicked any number of novel & short story ideas around for most of my life



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 7 11:44:11 2018 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for monique!

yay monique!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 7 08:05:25 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Fri Dec 7 08:07:03 2018
White Wings,

Thinking about my father doesn't bring tears, it was so long ago. However,
thinking about that specific incident did - I imagine the emotions are tied
to that memory just as a scent might draw in memories of a specific place
and time. For instance, during the preparation for my father's funeral one
of my brothers told me it would be at Methodist church. Well, Dad was an
agnostic, if not an atheist. I reminded my brother of this and he replied,
"This week he's a Methodist." I laughed then, and smile now. *g*


Agent Cooper, DaddyCatALSO, and Maverick -

I was going to stay out of this conversation, but since White Wings
has stepped forward, I will follow. *g* The Catholic Church has always been
involved in politics. It cannot avoid not doing so. Years and years ago I
read some paperback history of the Catholic Church. All I remember is the
first chapter which told how the Church became part of the Empire. The
writer began with what happened to males sent to work as slaves in the Roman
mines. They were first flogged to filter out the weak. Next they were
castrated followed by having their Achille's tendons cut to hamper any
thoughts of escape. Finally they had their hands and feet chained and the
chains had no lock, because they would never be unchained again while alive
(I imagine after a slave died they chains were cut off to be reused).

The author suggested this was how many Church leaders ended their lives. And
then came Constantine's 'conversion' to Christianity. The emperor had his
soldiers bring the then Church leader to him. I do not know what the 'pope'
was feeling as he entered the presence of Constantine, but he probably
wasn't surprised with what was offered him - power. Earthly power was not
something this pope sought, but his right-hand man persuaded him what great
things could be done for the Lord if the Church and the Empire joined hands.

And so the Church broke bread with Caesar and that right-hand man went on to
become a pope and when he died, he died surround by power and wealth.



WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Dec 7 07:17:24 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay AndeeH!

Happy Birthday Angelphyre, Batra, Kansas, School Girl, and Zinderella!

wolfguard - I'm sorry.

Ten years ago I would have said that I was fairly unemotional about funerals. I'd never shed a tear at one. But then my father died. He told me many times over the years that he didn't want a funeral, and I promised. I kept that promise, but he never said anything about memorials, and I carefully didn't ask. I knew my brother would want one, and looking back, I'm sure we both needed it. So it was cremation and a later memorial. I was numb until partway through, after which I was kind of a wreck. Dealing with my mother's passing two months later did not help. Now I can't attend a funeral in a church without weeping. It doesn't matter who it is, or what the church is. Yes, there were some tears over watching the Bush funeral, but I was in private, unlike the unfortunate participants. I had the impression that a lot of the military rituals and measured beats gave some space to people to compose themselves.

I always figured that eventually the effect would wear off. Twenty years, you say? That's you, and I'm me, but it means that there is no guarantee.

Weddings are your problem. I leave you in the hands of your goddaughters. *g*

Maverick - I couldn't make it all the way through the article on liberation theology. It wasn't pleasing. I can see why it would appeal to the downtrodden in Latin America, all right. They don't have experience of anything else. Take everything from everyone who isn't you in the name of a higher being or ideology, save some for bread and circuses, and keep the rest for yourself and favored buddies, like contracts for non-shovel ready jobs to campaign contributors. The people who have lost everything will support you for fear that you'll take away the bread and circuses. But eventually there won't be enough bread because you've regulated the bakers out of business.

The interesting thing is that people keep wanting to come to this country to be capitalists.

Traditionally capitalism has needed some kind of a check, whether it's religious philosophies or some degree of regulation. People just go overboard without an external encouragement to moderation. Pope Francis has fallen into the trap of thinking that since Jesus supported the poor and encouraged the rich to give away all their worldly goods (voluntarily and individually), that he should push a political agenda that would force the same. Force and regulations won't purify any souls, and the people whose theories he's buying would like to destroy his church. But he can't see that. He might, however, consider that Jesus differentiated between Caesar and God, and he was leaving Caesar alone. He wanted the individuals, not the governments.

Agent Cooper - It's a mistake to think that church organizations any church are not highly political. They are groups of people, and groups of people will vie for position and power. It just happens.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 7 03:57:34 2018 209.159.255.231)
I am back home!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 7 02:55:05 2018 68.51.139.52)




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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 7 02:46:17 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: Saw your comment on cold and snow. You said, paraphrasing, it was not very cold BUT it was cold enough to snow. When I was a kid, the old timers used to always say, "It's too cold to snow." That used to have me scratching my head trying to figure out what in the heck they were saying. The point was, and it's along the lines of what Wolfguard and I have been talking about, that it matters if there is cloud cover or not, especially at night. Why? It's not going to snow without clouds AND without clouds it's usually much colder because the heat of the day escapes into the coldness of outer space. So, if it's especially cold, there probably are no clouds (holding in the heat) and consequently there will be no snow. Interesting how backwards that old expression was, though.


Maverick


Trans-Siberian Orchestra's Christmas Canon




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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 6 23:35:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: It's a secret!
Question: Where would you find the volcano Olympus Mons?

Answer: mars

Trivia Martians: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Earthers: Maverick



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 6 21:51:11 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: I know but, being sworn to secrecy, I can't tell you.


DaddyCatALSO: Sorry, but if you can't edit your posts, I can't guess what you mean. I am glad, however, that you seem to be writing something that, finally, does not fall under Joss's copyright, and which you have a chance to get published under your own name. Stay with that idea.


Agent Cooper, white wings: Pope Francis is simple-minded and just regurgitates all the Lefty Lies. He has no sense of history or he would realize that Capitalism has raised many more people out of poverty than his utopian Socialist ideologies, especially since in their reality they usually end with dictatorial tyrants who perpetrate mass murders to keep power. Pope doesn't even see Venezuela (and Cuba) as exemplifying what he's advocating. And in the area of clergy sexual abuse, etc., they can't play footsie with it. They need to either allow heterosexual married priests or they need to subject unmarried priests to monthly polygraph testing based on actual physical acts (not necessarily transitory ideas, etc.) to weed out those who would physically molest parishioners. Two movies that I would recommend in this regards, the documentary "Deliver Us From Evil" where they horrifyingly present a glorified parish priest who has molested small children and actually believed he had a right to, and the movie "Doubt," with Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman, which shows it may have been the Nuns who actually policed the molesting priests in the olden days but are mostly not there now to identify them.


Maverick


Carol Of The Bells




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 6 21:38:44 2018 199.127.148.10)
If I had a mansion with lots of flagpoles outside, tomorrow on the lower tiers (the upper tier is for the permanent flags) I would be flying the US Army , Navy, and Marine Corps flags, the Hawaii and Arizona state flags, and the 48-star flag



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 6 20:09:40 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

I saw two clips. One was part of Baker's words and the other from a singing
group Bush Elder had liked. The spokesman for the latter said, ~ He (Bush)
fancied himself a good bass singer (beat) He wasn't. CUT-TO Bush the Younger
laughing through his tears.


White Wings,

I could not long attend my father's wake. My brothers had to stand before
his coffin and receive people. I fell apart. I went to one their homes, make
a sandwich and watched an episode of Gilmore girls (that's one way
people deal with death, we grasp to normalcy). And when it was over I went
back to the funeral home - after everyone had left - and said good-bye
(tears now, almost 20 years later).

This past May I officiated at a wedding of one of my goddaughters. It was
outside in Alaska on a glacier. No problems. But at some point during the
reception I just started crying and left the building. Two of my
goddaughters saw and came running after. I'm just too sentimental. I can't
listen to "Sacrifice" (The Gift) without crying. *g*


Maverick,

Yours, "... I am interested in how much possible heat (energy) escapes
the greenhouse because there's no roof on OUR greenhouse...
" An actual
greenhouse - the structure? In the short-term, ventilation systems. In the
long term the energy would either escape or coming into balance with the
external environment.1

The Earth experiences a thermal balance between the energy received from the
Sun and the energy emitted from the Earth, but this balance doesn't happen
instantly. For example, fossil fuels. They represent sunlight stored first
in plants and then transformed into their current form over millions of
years and over the past few centuries released back into the atmosphere to
eventually radiate into space (one writer has referred to fossil fuels as
"ancient sunlight").

More later.

1 When people are talking about Global Warming, we're talking
about a global average temperature change that has global effects.

Day-Night, Tropic-Polar, Summer-Winter, Land-Ocean



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 6 19:39:41 2018 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper Maverick There have been any number of samll schisms, starting with the churches of the Utrecht Communion after Vatican I, along with smaller, mostly unrecognized bodies calling themselves thigns like American Cahtolic Churhc etc. And post Vatican II conservatives like the True Catholic Church, and others which are organize da s socieites rather than dneomiantions, who regard the Papacy as vacated by the theology of Vatican II. (One group is the Resetablsiehd Cahtolic Churhc, led bya French priest who claims he was caught into heaven and cosnecreated bishop by Peter, James,a nd JOhn.) And among the more liberals there are dissident groups which also haven't formed into any actual denominations, but gettogetehr and perform unauthorized services; people in s ame sex marriages, married men and women who claim ordinations etc



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Dec 6 15:10:48 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Mars