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Dianne says:
(Mon Apr 1 11:13:47 2019 98.66.210.223)
Happy Birthday DeMoriel!



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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 1 05:33:56 2019 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Mon Apr 1 05:34:55 2019
wolfguard - It's true, I certainly never paid much attention to the eastern front in WWI, though I saw in googling today that some American forces were sent there. From this, I suspect that it wasn't the same killing field as the western trenches or the eastern front of WWII. As for the mountain fighting with the Italians, I don't tend to think of it in a discussion of WWI, but oddly I did know about it. I remember reading a series of amusing stories (by whom I do not know) about an Italian country priest, and the mountain fighting in that period was often spoken of. furrowed brow No, I think they were speaking of fighting Nazis as a resistance in WWII. I guess I didnt know pay any attention to that front in WWI. Trench warfare would hardly be possible in mountainous terrain. And while I also don't think of the Middle Eastern fighting as exactly the same war, of course I watched Laurence of Arabia. *g*

Yes, we don't think of horse transport in WWII, we just think of tanks roaming around the countryside. another furrowed brow I didn't pay much attention to the German use of horses, but I distinctly recall that the Director of the Spanish Riding School, Alois Podhajsky, spoke of the Polish Riding School having been destroyed because invading Russian troops couldn't make the dressage stallions pull their heavy guns. So they shot them. He certainly went to a lot of trouble to make sure that the Americans got to the Spanish Riding School before the Russians did. At least, he did the pleading and Patton arranged the saving.

None of this obscures the fact that the trench warfare of WWI was devastating, and for the most part, the AEF avoided being sucked into it.

Luke ceased to be an amateur when he gave up his civilian life (granted it was destroyed out from under him) to go off fighting the Empire. He was just untrained, inexperienced, and certainly undisciplined, like many young men when they enter the military. His military training was necessarily deferred by trying to stay alive, but then he learned the ways of the Force. The Force may have been strong in his family, but he had to learn about it. Do I have to stomp my feet? *g*

des who isn't here - Hi!



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des says:
(Mon Apr 1 05:09:20 2019 198.14.208.77)
This is a test of the Bronze Beta password renewal system. If this had been a real post, a message or comment would have been typed. This concludes this test of the Bronze Beta password renewal system.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 1 04:24:06 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

Americans tend to see WWI as 'trench warfare', because that's where we
fought alongside the French and British. The eastern front, being more
expansive, saw more mobile warfare. The Italians and Germans fought each
other in the mountains. In the Middle East there was desert warfare.

The problem facing both the Germans and the Allies on the Western Front was
attacking forces, if successful, soon out-ran their supply and artillery
support leaving them exposed to counter-attacks. The summer of 1918 saw the
British using mass armor attacks. Armor provided a partial substitute for
artillery, but there was still the supply problem.1

During the interwar years the Germans developed gasoline-powered combined
arms - infantry/armor/artillery/air - allowing maneuver warfare. That said,
much of the German army was moved by rail and foot and millions of horses
were used to move supplies.

After D-Day, a lot of the fighting resembled WWI, because the Germans built
massive defensive lines or positions from Normandy to Berlin. One difference
here was the Allies had the trucks and aircraft to move men and supplies in
a way impossible in WWI.2

1 In WWI mass supply and troop movements over landed needed
railroads. It was hard to lay tracks across no-man's land fast enough to
sustain a breakthrough. I imagine one could try trucks to bridge Allied rail
to German rail ...

2 Even then, movement came to a hard stop whenever gasoline
supplies could not keep up. I recall it said Patton was always complaining
that lack of enough gasoline kept him from winning faster.


LUKE! was an amateur, at least in the first movie. True, he flew some
civilian craft around his home planet taking pot-shots at the local rodents,
but a Piper Cub is not an F-18. As to his sword-training, it seemed to have
happened while in route to the planet. Never saw or heard him having any
experience working with others as a team. So, the only way for the character
to be a competent fighter or leader is he be born with the qualities. This
certainly plays to a large audience that believes or wants to believe in
kings and queens and God-touched heroines. You don't have to work for it,
it's yours if you're special and we all like to think we're special. *g*

Did you ever see Chariots of Fire? I only remember two scenes, one a
race around a college courtyard and the other where the (?) protagonist took
some English student to task for saying it was wrong to train. ~ You
(English) think it should look effortless, a gift. No,you have to work for
it. Of course, this sort of thinking is why I favor Batman and the Phantom
over Superman. *g*



WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 1 03:29:12 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Bufidiot, LankyAngel, and Peace Fire!

Belated Happy Birthday BlueDawn3 and Godeater!


Good evening, Christopher Marlowe

wolfguard - I hadn't heard the phrase "turnip winter". *wince* I feel for their conditions. My one exposure to *blech* turnips was around 50 years ago when I was immured in a convent school waiting for a position to open up in the American School in London. Bashed neaps were a favorite required vegetable at lunches. *blech* A steady diet of that would be painful indeed. My brother claims that he actually liked them, but then he liked pub-style bashed cabbage, which I thought tasted like it had been cooked in dishwater. *g*

I doubt the allies were living lavishly, given the need to supply the large armies, but they weren't as desperate as Britain was in WWII. Part of France was still available for agriculture, and Britain wasn't facing serious air raids. I believe that Britannia still ruled most of the waves in WWI as well, so that there could still be extensive trading. But I never read that morale was very high on the Allied side. Trench warfare, disease, being surrounded by death, enduring the shellings, and gas warfare had the troops in a pretty bad way.

The first troops of the AEF arrived in Europe in summer of 1917, but as far as I can google, they took no part in serious operations as an American-led military body until late May 2018. They spent the time in between desperately trying to train the troops. While I've never made extensive study of WWI, I don't believe that Pershing was generally portrayed as a God of War, armed with lightning bolts of brilliance. What he did do was prevent Foche from splitting the American forces up and tossing them in small groups into the trenches as replacements, which would have destroyed them. The battles in which the Americans were eventually engaged were not the typical (up 'til then) going over the top type of battle in which both sides were mowed down by machine guns, but involved moving around the countryside.

The Germans may have been in desperate shape, but not so desperate that they couldn't inflict pretty staggering casualties on the AEF. Not as staggering as were suffered by the British and Europeans, but still pretty heavy. The change in the type of warfare at least kept everyone from maintaining the status quo that had held until then. And yes, the numbers of men and the amount of supplies did make an enormous difference.

Luke and Obi Wan went to Alderaan because holographic Leia told them to deliver R2D2 and his information to her father there, so that he could send it on to the Rebels. Unfortunately, the general decided to make Alderaan an example of the Death Star's power because he was annoyed with Leia's obstinance.

Luke wasn't an amateur. Well, he was an untrained volunteer, but he was the basis for the rebuilding of the Jedi, and Obi Wan was well aware of it. That's why he very much wanted Luke along for the ride. You know, he had that "special" quality. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 31 23:04:36 2019 209.159.255.231)
good afternoon/evening beta!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Mar 31 14:30:29 2019 209.159.255.231)
Yesterday is Sunday, March 31st 2019 C.E.

We had THREE (3) Birthdays!


Bufidiot
LankyAngel
Peace Fire

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bufidiot, LankyAngel, Peace Fire



Does anybody else miss the Mayor? 'I just want to be a big snake.' Xander, 'Primeval'''

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Mar 31 14:19:38 2019 209.159.255.231)
Yesterday was Saturday, March 30th 2019 C.E.

We had THREE (3) Birthdays!


BlueDawn3
Godeater
Juliet Landau as the mad vampire Drusilla

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BlueDawn3, Godeather, Juliet Landau



It's all about the coat. Host, 'Judgement''

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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 31 06:28:16 2019 71.199.128.40)
"...I was wearing my powder-blue suit with dark blue shirt, tie and display
handkerchief, black brogues, black wool socks with dark blue clocks on them. I
was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care who knew it. I was
everything a well-dressed private detective ought to be. I was calling on
four million dollars...
"


From the opening of what novel?

((The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler))



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 31 05:51:35 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

The Germans called the winter of 1916-1917 the "Turnip Winter". Due to a
combination of the blockades and the demands of a wartime economy, Germans
were facing extreme hardship. Knowing the Americans were going to enter the
war, Germany launched an offensive (Second Somme?) which while successful in
capturing some territory and pushing the front west, Germany was unable to
sustain it (for reasons mentioned last night).

American forces began arriving in January of 1918 and were in France in
large numbers by mid-summer. The Germans tried one more offensive, it
failed. The Allies begin rolling the Germans back towards Germany. In August
the German generals advised the Kaiser to negotiate and end.

The US' contribution was fresh troops and additional economic production,
something the Germans did not have. Will is necessary, but not sufficient.
1 By October Germany was sounding out the Allies for a peace
deal. "The German Revolution", ~ October-November 1918, led to the Kaiser
abdicating and Germany surrendering.

1 At extreme example are the handful of Japanese soldiers who
refused to surrender, some holding out until the 60's (?). They didn't
matter.


Thank you for the relevant Star Wars summary. So Luke and company
were headed to the planet - Leia's planet? I remember the scene where Obi-
Wan winces saying he'd sense what had been the destruction of the planet.
1 What was the reason they were heading to that planet - the one
the Death Star destroyed?

Luke is an amateur and should not have been allowed to tag along with the
professionals. *g*


1 Side note: I read Alec Guinness saying he winced at remembering
his playing that scene, because of that "wince".


WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 31 04:41:04 2019 70.112.135.184)
Stop the Presses! I just saw this headline: "Court strikes down school dress code rule that kept girls in skirts" !!!!!!

Inside the article some parents say "Were happy the court agrees, but its disappointing that it took a court order to force the school to accept the simple fact that, in 2019, girls should have the choice to wear pants."

The school said they just want "to preserve chivalry and respect among young women and men." *narrowed eyes* If they can only teach young men to respect young women when they are wearing dresses, or impart respect for young men only to young women who are wearing dresses, they're doin' it wrong.

I have never forgiven Society for my youth in dresses in schools and in snow and while traveling.



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 31 03:58:50 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Does moving nonstop help with the lack of the phone?

wolfguard - Reducing the AEF to a footnote in a discussion of WW1 seems a trifle unjust. The stalemate didn't end because the Germans couldn't feed themselves or their troops. Their officers had not lost their will to fight to the last of their men. It ended when the Americans arrived, and the American generals refused to have their troops turned into cannon fodder in the trenches by the more experienced European generals. They used their fresh (if green) troops and supplies to turn the lines, and that broke the stalemate and got things moving. The German economic problems became factors after that.

I hadn't heard the characterization of "lions led by donkeys", but it sounds about right. The men probably did know better, but discipline held and they all followed the orders of the donkeys. You can argue that the generals were not as experienced and wise as they thought they were, and you are probably right, but they were placed in charge, and they were obeyed, and an entire generation of young men died.

Luke was operating solely at the tactical level. The Alliance had older generals doing the boring planning. He was a deciding factor in winning that part of the war because he got the Death Star plans to the generals and (using the Force) he made the shot that caused the Death Star to explode (following the precise plans given to him by the generals). But he was the subject of the story, so of course it was All About Luke. *g*

Your memory isn't being totally fair. When Obi Wan and Luke saw the message from Leia, their immediate thought was to follow her instructions to take R2D2 to Alderaan. They did not know the location of the Rebel Base. They didn't know that the Death Star existed. There was a detour for Luke's family and some adventures to find transport, but once they lifted off, they went directly to where Alderaan had been. They were trying to figure out what happened, when they were trapped by the Death Star. Only after they were on the Death Star trying to find a way to escape did they discover that Leia was there. They left the droids in relative safety near the ship while they went off in one direction to rescue Leia and in another to shut down the tractor beam. They accomplished both, and escaped with Leia, who was the only one who could direct them to the Rebel Base where the plans were analyzed. So they weren't recklessly risking the whole endeavor to find adventures. They were proceeding as directly as the situation allowed.

The image of Luke running across no-man's-land with his light saber, visor down, is entertaining, but I prefer to think that he'd have made his way to the end of a trench and run down it, clearing it out. After Black Jack Pershing told him to do it. Or he'd have been in a biplane dropping whatever explosives they had with deadly accuracy on the batteries, while holding off the Red Baron with startling aerobatics. Better than Snoopy did with his doghouse, because Snoopy didn't have the Force. ;-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 30 20:13:01 2019 209.159.255.231)
mid-day drive by, heading off to another event!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 30 13:11:19 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta! With the temporary loss of my smartphone, posting will be even spottier than usual today and tonight as I am also helping run an event.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 30 07:53:14 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

When I was younger I wondered how it was millions of soldiers spent four odd
years repeating the same mistakes over and over. I accepted the given wisdom
about 'lions being led by donkeys'. In time I read in on it and concluded
this 'wisdom' was probably off the mark.

Soldiers in combat learn quickly when something isn't working and will look
for other ways to fight and stay alive. This was true of soldiers during
WWI. The problem they faced was tactical solutions couldn't solve
operational problems. Here was their situation:

Their tactical attack problem was first, how to cross 'no-man's-land';
second, how to take or destroy enemy positions; third, how to exploit a
breakthrough.

Their operational problem was what lay behind the front lines: communication
and transportation lines that allowed a defender to quickly reinforce
threatened positions or counterattack breakthroughs. As long as a defender
could keep troops supplied and the lines-of-communication open the
line1 held. Since this worked in both directions, there was the 4
odd year stalemate. In the end the stalemate collapsed because the Germans
were no longer able to adequately feed civilians or supply troops.
2 Certainly WWI consisted of massive battles/campaigns with huge
losses, but there were relatively long lulls where troops waited in defense
as the units reconstituted themselves and generals pondered what to do next
to bring the other side to the table.

The Napoleonic wars had been the last European wide war and had ended in
1815, almost 100 years before WWI began. In Europe there had been only the
wars of Italian unification and German unification. 3 The German
wars had been relatively short and were probably seen by many European
generals as models of how a future European war would be fought.

When WWI began, European armies used telegraphs and railroads towards
maneuvering their armies to swiftly defeat the other. For a short time it
worked, but winning a single major battle didn't defeat a country and in
short time the armies got bogged down and dug in. Unlike the past, the major
European powers had the industrial capability to keep those armies in place
and they did so to keep the other side in place. Now what was to be done?

Here's where I return to Luke Skywalker. He thought and fought at the
tactical level. If one is looking to WWI to judge Luke's performance, then
it should be at the tactical level. What did Luke do? I only remember the
original movie, Star Wars. Here's what I saw him do ...

(1) He participated in a raid on the Death Star to rescue Leia.4

Of this one can ask, is it better to be competent or lucky?

(2) He led some or all (?) X-Wing fighters in a strike on the Death Star.

Of this one can ask, it is better to be trained or blessed (with the force)?
Star Wars answer is lucky and blessed. Apply this to WW1 at the
tactical level and we'd seen Luke running across no-man's land swinging his
light saber - and he probably would have pulled that blast visor down to
keep his seeing from interfering with sensing the Force.

It would have entertained the troops in the trenches. *g*


1 The 'line' was probably more than a single trench or two and
more an area.

2 Plus the arrival of the Americans in 1917.

3 There had been the Crimean War and the Balkan wars, but these
were on the periphery. The Boer War between Britain and the Afrikaners was
seen as an insurgency.

4 As I remember, in the opening of the movie Leia gives the pans
to the Death Star to R2D2 with, I imagine, instructions to get plans to
Alliance leaders. Instead of taking those plans straight to the Alliance,
Luke and Obi-Wan decide to let R2D2 tag-along with them on the raid to
rescue Leia. This was not only an unnecessary risk, but an idiotic one. If
R2D2 had been captured, lost, or destroyed, then the Alliance would have
been without the plans.


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Mar 30 03:40:02 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Surviving that will take strong discipline. But at
least you know where it is.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 30 03:29:15 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings I left it charging at my workplace, which will be inaccessible until MOnday. Dangnabbit.



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white wings says:
(Sat Mar 30 03:20:49 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Avatar, helygen, Killow, The Librarian, X38!


Christopher Marlowe - I'm sorry about your smart phone. I see that you are also still without spring. But you have Friday!

wolfguard - I'm glad you recognized that my argument didn't really allow for logical responses. ;-)

In WW1, flying was pretty new to everyone, and particularly to warfare. They didn't know much about flying machines. They didn't have time to figure out rules or best practices or safety or mass training techniques, they just had to throw people in and find out what worked and who died. It's probably just as well. The people managing the war were doing a fine job of murdering off foot soldiers in spite of the fact that the whole human race had centuries of experience in ground fighting. They'd probably have gotten everyone killed off in the nascent air forces, rather than most of them.

As for Luke, well, let's just say that while Leia didn't know that the Force was strong with her, it must have subtly informed her opinion of his abilities. *g* cc: Agent Cooper He also had an old friend in one of their pilots, who could speak to his abilities with a skimmer taking pot shots at native wildlife.

It's not necessarily what you have done that matters, but what you can do in the circumstances. That's how we get unlikely heroes, and such like stuff. But since you never really know the future, IRL I would look at experience as a predictor of future success. Well, successful experience.

No, I don't really have any particular point, I'm just rambling. Why do you ask?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 30 00:12:17 2019 209.159.255.231)
Home! but without my smartphone.



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Comma says:
(Fri Mar 29 23:32:55 2019 75.143.154.113)
While she was only briefly on the acting scene, 1961 until the early seventies, actress June Harding has died. May she Rest in Peace.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 29 18:23:45 2019 71.199.128.40)
Here's how a real Storm Trooper performs against rag-tag amateurs ...


https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?
fr=mcafee&p=airsoft+profssional+takes+out+other+team#id=2&vid=1d0fc1ead325f1d8
2a25895048987bac&action=click

This is footage from an airsoft game in Belgium. A Belgium SWAT officer
competes against an airsoft group composed of amateurs.

*g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 29 18:09:59 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

The USAF and USN pilot/aviator students are taught by experienced, active
duty officers and the process takes 2-3 years (and of course, training never
ends). That said, wars and rebellions can be demanding, one might have to
cut corners.1 There's the experience of WWI. I believe most of
the pilots were men who had flown as civilians in that rough decade before
the war started. I also believe the average life expectancy - in aerial
combat - was measured in the tens of hours.2

Consider this excerpt ...

"...Dodge Bailey, a retired RAF pilot with over 20 years experience of
flying WW1 aircraft, explains why the life of a pilot was a particularly
perilous one: "The lack of standardisation between types of aircraft was a
major difficulty. At the beginning there were no specifications for
airplanes which usually meant that there was a lot less stability. The level
of training was also a problem. To put it into context: It would be like
taking someone up to their fourth driving lesson and putting them into a
Formula One car and saying Off you go! they're going to go off at the
first corner."

Source:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zw4mxnb


1 Though why this would include giving Luke command of a unit
raises my Vulcan ear tips. OTOH, we certainly have cases of civilian
militias being commanded by their own folks.

2 Back in the 70's, research suggested fighter pilots' abilities
did not vary as a normal distribution, the Bell-shaped curve. Rather most
fighter pilots were not particularly good and a few were superb. Those few
got their kills off the many not-so-good (I imagine this might be like
putting a top high school football team against a professional football
team).


cc: White Wings



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Mar 29 14:55:18 2019 165.225.38.87)
White Wings/Wolfguard: May I chime in here and also point out that a good many of the folks in the Alliance were once themselves well trained members of the Imperial Forces, who defected to the rebels and brought their expertise and experience with them. They knew how to train soldiers, fight battles and conduct warfare.

The Alliance was not just grabbing up green farm boys from barren desert planets and plopping them in the cockpit of a 5 million credit star fighter with a "good luck, kid!"



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Mar 29 12:31:03 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, March 29th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Avatar
helygen
Killow
Saint - R.I.P
The Librarian
X38

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Avatar, helygen, Killow, The Librarian, X38



Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb. 'Listening to Fear''

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 29 06:10:44 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

"So there" says all that needs saying. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 29 03:35:36 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay SweePer!

Happy Birthday Dragster!

lostinamerica, Agent Cooper - The pollen counts are only slightly more than indicators, that have to be evaluated in terms of your proximity to the location taking the counts and your sensitivity to particular pollens. In my experience, if you are not particularly sensitive, you need more exposure to be made as miserable. Cedar counts have to be fairly high before I start having headaches. But it seems as though if there's a single grain of elm anywhere near me, I'm ready to be gulping pills and retreating to bed under an ice pack.

Agent Cooper - I wouldn't care to give myself shots either. But my father had some condition, an allergy to something in his own system, that required him to take daily shots for many years. He actually weaned himself off of that (Mayo said they'd never heard of anyone doing that with his particular problem), and the only side effect seemed to be that he started having migraines. When he developed an allergy to cedar, it was no problem for him to give himself that shot, and he had been doing so for quite some time before there was an official ruling that only a doctor could give the shots. The reasons given sound good and meaningful, but since he'd been giving himself the shots for a long time without ill effects, he was singularly annoyed at there being no exceptions to the rule. But he's gone now, and I've no reason to fight it. I'm also not taking the shots unless I can't manage the situation with pills.

lostinamerica - It's better if you don't have to take the meds all the time. But if you are not going to, I recommend keeping emergency supplies in your purse. I'm sure you never thought of that. *g*

wolfguard - Nonsense! Luke had put in the time. He was already a skilled pilot. Is flying a skimmer JUST like flying a fighter in space? Maybe there was some training on the way to the rebel base. Virtual training. *g* Trained fighters failed to make that shot, but by using the Force, Luke could manage it. It's rather like magic. *g* So there! or something.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 29 03:08:35 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Presidents
Question: What color belt did Theodore Roosevelt achieve in judo?
Answer: Brown

Trivia Black Belt: notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 29 02:14:11 2019 209.159.255.231)
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 23:13:54 2019 4.28.180.2)
"The problem is not that Americans are soft, but that they will simply not
face (what) war is all about until they have their teeth kicked in. They will
not face the fact that military professionals, while some have ideas about
society in general that are distorted and must be watched, still know better
than anyone else how a war is won.
"

T.R. Fehrenback, This Kind of War (Korean War, 1950-1953)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 18:00:19 2019 71.199.128.40)
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

Three quick questions:

1) What state do you live in?

2) What of matters that do not directly affect your constituents, but do
affect the country as a whole? Off this, two generic situations:

a) Situation 1: Proposed legislation does not appear to be hurt or help your
state. How would you vote?

b) Situation 2: Proposed legislation will help your state, but could be
argued hurts the country. How would you vote?

3) Fellow representative needs your support for his bill and in exchange
will support you on your bill; however, you have some qualms on the bill.
What do you do?


Later I'll return to the proposal to retire USS Truman.


Oh, I believe you missed my point about your point. I'll restate it. Common
sense and "real-life" experience very well may not arm a one-term legislator
against professionals in the bureaucracy and special interest groups.

A year or two ago, Google sponsored a contest to improve on solar inverter
technologies. Solar panels produce direct current and inverters change DC to
AC current. It's considered a bottleneck in solar technologies. I downloaded
the specs for the contest. I remember it running several pages and realizing
I knew just a bit more than nothing on the subject. If I were having to make
an executive decision concerning this technology, then I would have to turn
to other experts. I wouldn't be making the decision based on the subject,
but on my evaluating of the competency and trustworthiness of the experts.

Now, I would argue this is "common-sense" and I have no problem saying so,
since it sets up the next move in our discussion.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 28 15:47:16 2019 165.225.38.87)
Hah! I KNEW it!!!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Mar 28 14:32:29 2019 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Third-degree brown belt



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 28 14:13:20 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: A Brown Belt.

Yeah, I just picked a color. I mock. I do not understand.

Lostinamerica/White Wings: I can't imagine giving myself allergy injections. They always make you wait a while in the office in case you have a serious allergic reaction, which is very rare but has happened. After all, they are injecting you with what is essentially (to your body anyway) poison. I'd be too scared to do it myself at home. :-)


When I suffered with allergic asthma, I used to obsessively track the pollen levels and weather during the spring and fall. I still do check in with pollen.com occasionally out of habit.

But my doctor told me something interesting about that once. He said not to stress too much attention to the pollen levels. He said it was like drowning. You can drown in a bathtub, and you can drown in the ocean. It doesn't matter how much more water is in the ocean, you're still drowning either way.

Same thing with pollen. It doesn't matter very much how much is in the air, it only matters how sensitive you are to it. If you are sensitive to a certain pollen, you only have to inhale a very small amount for it to affect you. So if there is any in the air at all, you're likely going to suffer.

So when the news reports that the pollen levels are off the charts, or that the coming year will be "the worst year ever for pollen levels" (which they seem to do every year) it's kind of moot point. If there's ANY pollen in the air, and of course there always will be in season, how much MORE of it doesn't make any difference to someone who's allergic.


Wolfguard: I think you missed the point by a wee bit. :-) Of course nobody is an expert on everything. But most reasonably intelligent people can be presented with relevant data and then make a sound decision that benefits their constituents based on it. The key point being *benefits their constituents.*

Congresspeople would be much more interested in doing what's right for the folks they represent if they knew they were going to BE one of those folks again in the near future.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 28 12:41:53 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Presidents
Question: What color belt did Theodore Roosevelt achieve in judo?



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Mar 28 12:40:52 2019 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper, white wings--
Wow, that would be terrible if he
went through the hassle of taking
the drops for years only to have
the allergies return once he
stopped :( I asked him that,
because I know you can become
allergic to things at any phase of
your life, and he didn't seem
worried about it. Then again,
he's young, the young never worry
about anything :(

Because he's going through this
I've been watching the pollen
count more closely instead of
blindly taking an allergy med once
spring starts. Currently the
pollen levels for cedar, juniper,
maple and pine have been moderate
to high and I've been OK, so I
must not be too allergic to those.
I'll see what happens as the year
progresses. . .


Yay! Sweeper!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 28 12:25:01 2019 209.159.255.231)
We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


Dragster

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Dragster[/center]


She just... she just did the math. Kaylee, 'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 28 12:19:32 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay sweeper!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Mar 28 12:03:28 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for sweeper!

yay sweeper!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 02:23:02 2019 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

I'm probably "dissing" people who believe being "special" means not having to
strive to achieve competency in a skill or field. *g*


Agent Cooper,

Recently the United States Navy announced it would retiring the USS
Truman
early. Good idea or bad? Details in a bit.

An example of a legislator asking questions about a field in which she has no
competency ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k870cg2E4LM

(From Australia)


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 02:05:08 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Do you favor a weak dollar or a strong dollar? How would each affect your
state? Your district?

Given the employment situation in your state, current and projected, do you
favor a policy of bringing jobs to the people or moving people to the jobs?


WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 28 02:03:53 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Cosmic Bob!

Happy Birthday ED1_Faith, Eowyn, MarsGirl, RavenNDark, and Zombies Ate My Dingo!

lostinamerica - I've been tempted by the drops. I've heard they are not usually as effective as shots, but I don't know if what I've heard is correct. ;-) I hope they work for your son. At any rate he's getting treatment. Unmanaged allergies are Not Good For One's Health.

Agent Cooper - My father got the shots for a long time, and they worked for him. When he started, they allowed him to inject himself, which was very convenient, but it was seriously annoying to him when they suddenly declared it might be dangerous and he'd have to have it done by a doctor.

wolfguard - You are dissing the Force? *gasp* I'll bet that you don't even believe that time travel was clearly proved in Star Trek!


I have again snaked a drain. I have not improved flow. I have jarred loose lots of little chips of calcium. I am tired.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:45:02 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Over the past 15 odd years I've read dozens of articles on the impact of ice
melting in the Arctic. Many note, almost reflexively, that if large parts of
the Arctic become ice free during the summer, then commercial shipping between
east Asia and Europe or North America can cut thousands of miles from their
current routes by cutting across the Arctic. What do yo say? Is this likely?

More public policy questions coming up.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:32:31 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

You're interviewing a person for a job position. Can you "directly" ask them
whether they can work on weekends? Explain your answer.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:22:39 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Oil refining ...

Person asks ...

In Oil industry and other industries, they used a spherical tank. What are
the advantages of these types of tanks. I tink, there are many reasons for
this type of shape, such as:

1) distribution of forces exerted by liquid on the spherical wall.
2) Distribution oh heat and mass transfer.
3) avoid dead zones.


The expert's short answer consisted of six advantages and one disadvantage,
plus a short overview of the "post weld heat treatment process".



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:13:17 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

A plumbing question from www.pmmag.com (Plumbing & Mechanical)


"I have a question for you regarding condensate drain traps and vents. It
seems to me that engineers interpret this differently. Some, at least here in
California, regardless of what UPC (Section 803, 5-15-rule) and UMC say about
it, argue that this is not a code issue, but instead a matter of the
manufacturer's recommendation. What is your interpretation of the code?
Do condensate drains require traps and vents, or not? If the answer is yes, is
that true for both primary and secondary C.D.'s? What could take place if
traps and vents are not installed? What is the effect of acidic condensate on
the cooling coil pan if the C.D. does not drain properly? I would appreciate a
detailed explanation."


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:12:14 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who played Wesley's father, Roger Wyndam-Pryce?
Answer: Roy Doltrice

Trivia Casting AGent: notsoShyGirl!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 28 01:05:09 2019 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Mar 28 02:40:13 2019
Agent Cooper,

I'm going to post some questions requiring subject matter expertise. First
area, nursing (and this is a simple question).

The healthcare provider is performing an assessment on a patient who is
taking propranolol (Inderal) for supraventricular tachycardia. Which
assessment finding is an indication the patient is experiencing an adverse
effect of this drug?

(1) Paraesthesia

(2) Bradycardia

(3) Urinary Infection

(4) Dry


This is from a Khan Academy NCLEX practice (nursing certification). Feel
free to use real-life experience and common-sense.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 27 19:32:00 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard: I'm not wholly convinced. Regular people ARE experts. A plumber (presumably) knows alot about plumbing. An accountant knows alot about numbers, a lawyer knows alot about the law.

I think you underestimate the value of real life experience and common sense. The elite in Washington think themselves much smarter than the proles. They are not necessarily, generally speaking.

Getting elected doesn't suddenly raise your IQ or make you some kind of economic guru. I'd go as far to say that even the ones who came from some successful career, quickly lose any perspective that gave them as they spend more and more time in the ivory tower and less worrying about day to day life as they did when they were "little people."

And as it is, too many politicians seem to go into politics because they aren't very good at anything else in the first place.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Mar 27 18:25:23 2019 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper 1- I didn't say I meant those as *yearly* incomes. 2- those were just two examples to illustrate how "regressive-in-practice" taxation ends up working. Flat-rate income tax, like most forms of sales tax, simply ensures that people lower down on the income scale to begin with also have to shoulder a greater burden in financing the system.



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wowlfguard says:
(Wed Mar 27 18:14:08 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Wed Mar 27 18:15:38 2019
Agent Cooper,

Elected officials are doing us some favors. First, some day-to-day
legislation gets done, usually run-of-the-mill1 stuff that's not
material for partisans to deploy against one another. Second, most do look
after their own constituents.2

The Constitution's construction shows most of the participants in its
creation did not believe people - men in those days - would suffer their own
self-interest to the public good. This and their fear of tyranny lead them
to spread the power around, the checks and balances, the deliberate pitting
of one instrument of government over another. No one is going to hold the
all the keys of power.

What was not expected was the rise of political parties and the increasing
complexity of society leading to a dependence on expertise. Hollywood loves
underdog amateurs who rise to the occasion,3 but this is not how
you succeed in the real world.

1 An example, albeit from a governor's seat, was Jesse Ventura's
comment early after his being elected that citizens' concerns were about
pot-holes and trash pick-up (as I remember he also complained about spending
his first two or so weeks in 12 hour a day budget meetings).

2 "If there's pork out there, there should be pork here." Off
this, it often seems polls of voters/citizens shows as a group they dislike
Congress, but like their own representatives (I suspect a more nuanced
survey would show a voter likes their own representative if they voted for
him or her).

3 A classic example being Luke Skywalker leading a squadron of
fighter pilots to strike the death star. Absolute fantasy, absolute.

And here I'll not come down hard on blinding oneself with that visor and
trusting the "Force". This is true "fake news reality". *g*




WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 27 16:24:16 2019 165.225.38.87)
Daddycat: Realistically, if you're only making $1000 a year you are probably already homeless or on assistance. As with the current tax scheme, I'd assume if you make less than a certain level of income you would not be expected to pay income taxes.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Mar 27 14:24:09 2019 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper Comma Flat-tax ahs an inherent failing built in. A person who (just two amounts as examples) earns a million & has to pay $100,00.00 is still in much better shape than average afterwards. A person who earns $1,000,00 & has to pay $100.00 could very easily end up dying or homeless because of the tax.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Mar 27 14:09:19 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Roy Dotrice



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 27 13:41:56 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard: Probably true, but there has to be a better way. Entrenched career politicians aren't doing us any favors.


Lostinamerica/White Wings: The shots worked for me, but they don't work for everyone and they are definitely an investment in time, especially at the outset.

They cost money too of course, but on my insurance they are covered and the cost is pretty low. Probably because the insurance company wants me to get the shots rather than have an expensive ER visit with asthma every few weeks I guess. :-)

You have to go once a week at first, as they build you up you go less and less often. Now I go once per month. I've been doing them for a few years and after that the doctor can decide to take you off of them. My doc gave me this choice recently, and said some people keep immunity for 10 years after the shots, and some people go right back to suffering soon after they stop. I decided to keep on the shots, only because my asthma was very bad before them and I don't want to go back to that and didn't want to go through the annoying build up phase again.

I had heard about the allergy drops, they were using them in Europe when I started the shots, but hadn't been FDA approved here yet.

Instead of an injection, you put a drop under your tongue, and you can even do this at home, or so I've heard. I really wish I could do that instead of going to the office every month for the shots.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Mar 27 12:39:10 2019 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper, white wings--Our oldest son discovered recently he's
allergic to lots of things (nothing terrible, just a constantly stuffed nose and
a tendency to get sinus infections versus going into anaphylactic shock). He'll
be taking drops of the various allergens over the next three years which is
supposed to greatly decrease his reactions. Plus, he gets an EpiPen :)


Yay! Cosmic Bob!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 27 12:34:07 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who played Wesley's father, Roger Wyndam-Pryce?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Mar 27 12:28:08 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for cosmic bob!

yay cosmic bob!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale shakespeare festival - matinees only

an unknown novel or play about vampires from a famous writer of the past is discovered... who do you hope it is?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Mar 27 12:17:06 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, March 27th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


ED1_Faith
Eowyn
MarsGirl
RavenNDark
Zombies Ate My Dingo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ED1_Faith, Eowyn, MarsGirl, RavenNDark
Zombies Ate My Dingo



She just... she just did the math. Kaylee, 'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 27 06:38:21 2019 71.199.128.40)
Yay Everdawn!


Trivia Girl,

Who Are You was not two-parts, but the second episode of Faith's two
episode arc in season 4. The first episode was This Year's Girl.


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

When was the last time you watched a full episode of BTVS?

Just now, Listening to Fear. Last week watched I Only Have Eyes
For You
and Killed By Death.

I believe Listening to Fear doesn't get the attention it deserves.
It's a great study in plotting. Some humorous lines ...

WILLOW
I dust'd two! Yay for me!


WILLOW
Something evil crashed to Earth in this and then slithered away to do
badness.

...

ANYA
A space lamb got him.



The second to the last scene, between Buffy and Joyce, still brings tears to
my eyes. And SMG's performance in it deserved an Emmy (okay, it's true I
can't be objective). *g*


Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Mar 27 02:15:35 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay EverDawn!

Happy Birthday Allyson, Digital Grand, J.S.K., Lena, Mrs. Macheath, sareigbab, and witchywoman77!

wolfguard - re: Dusseldorf - oops! *g*

Agent Cooper - You are right about drain snaking. Some days there is a sense of triumph and accomplishment, but Sunday was not that day.

The allergy shots work for a lot of people, and they might work for me. I just don't feel like being chained to a doctor's office at regular intervals for the injections. So far I have been able to survive (if sometimes barely) with medication. Possibly I'm being irrational. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 27 02:08:05 2019 209.159.255.231)
it is 8 pm MST and I am hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 27 01:12:05 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: " I could squeeze you until you pop like warm champagne and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more." is a line from what episode of Buffy?
Answer: Who Are You, part 1

Trivia Master of None: Agent Cooper.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 27 01:06:59 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay everdawn!

deadguy qod


Oh boy, I have been a bad Buffy fan...I haven't watched an ep of Buffy since last year!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 27 00:32:13 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 26 22:22:09 2019 4.28.180.2)
Raise your hand if you're flying to Dusseldorf.

*g*

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 26 20:40:50 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

There are at least two negative consequences to limited terms...

(1) Special interests groups, of all stripes, will remain,

(2) The bureaucracy will remain, i.e. the departments of the executive.


This means each incoming crop of legislators, inexperienced in the ways of
Washington, will be somewhat dependent on the bureaucracy and the interest
groups for learning what's what.1 This is true even when
legislators serve multiple terms.2 Institutions know more. A
legislature consisting of all newbies has no accumulated knowledge.

There's a third possible negative consequence: Tools, techniques, and
procedures for doing legislation and running a legislature will have to be
relearned each term. This is wasted time. Wasted time is wasted money. And
the money is the taxpayers.



1 One new staff member of an incoming administrator said it took
a month or so to find some of the restrooms in the White House.

2 One bit of advice given to new legislators is to choose a field
in which to become an expert.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 26 18:29:24 2019 165.225.38.87)
Comma: Those people certainly have chutzpah. If the ACA was so awesome, everybody in congress would be on it. :-)

We seriously need term limits. And by limit I mean ONE TERM. That's it. Need to go back to the Roman Senate model: Called from your day to day life, serve the people for a year, then GO BACK to your day to day life. Full stop.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 26 18:22:22 2019 71.199.128.40)
Drive-By


Cui Bono



WG



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Comma says:
(Tue Mar 26 17:08:49 2019 75.143.154.113)
There are persons, in Congress, that are trying to tax all discounts, given to the military, law enforcement, seniors, children, and even given to 'smart card holders, as a bonus, under US Laws, nd would be taxed at 20%. These are the same Congress people who have free gyms, free transportation, almost free haircuts and beauty salons, and very cheap, and very good, meals.

Comma



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 26 16:26:53 2019 165.225.38.87)
Comma: A flat tax is the simplest, fairest way to do it. X% for everybody, regardless of income. Hurts everybody the same, rich or poor.

It won't happen for the reasons you state: Greedy, arrogant statist career politicians and their lawyers.

These bureaucrats believe taxes are THEIR money, that it belongs to them and they are entitled to it. And sadly, I know people who have fallen into that trap and believe that as well. They believe that their money belongs to the government.

Case in point, I had a discussion with a coworker the other day. She was lamenting the fact that she got a smaller tax refund this year.

I tried to explain to her that this means she paid LESS in taxes, and got more of her own money in her paycheck over the course of the year. That the refund was always HER money to start with, and that if you get a big refund that just means your money was tied up and you gave Uncle Sam an interest free loan with your money for the whole year.

Sadly I'm not sure if it sunk in.



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Comma says:
(Tue Mar 26 16:08:57 2019 75.143.154.113)
From the day that The Affordable Care Act was passed, I have stated, over and over, that it destroyed the old American health care system and one cannot kill the current system without something else in place. Now we may be seeing that take place.

Over the years I have seen several tax packages that could pay off our current yearly budget of the government, payoff the Nation's debt, and pay for health care for all Americans. The easiest one? Ten percent on all monies made in the country. Companies, that are now tax exempt, because they are an overseas company, would have to pay 10% on all monies made in the country. All salaries made in the US, no matter the source, would have a 10% tax. That would also included monies received from Government programs. There would be no need, for the average citizen, to even have to fill out a tax form, unless they are self employed. The results from this? The IRS would be reduced, tax lawyers would be reduced, the job, of tax preparer, except for accounting firms, would go out of business, and no Turbo Tax. I like Turbo Tax.

Why it will not be done? Too many lawyers, in DC, and too many members of Congress have their fingers in the tax game.

Comma



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 26 14:34:30 2019 165.225.38.87)
White Wings: Drain Snaking- The Ultimate Buzz Kill. :-)

I used to suffer greatly from asthma and allergies. I started allergy shots a couple of years ago on a doctor's advice and they have helped immensely. My asthma is well controlled now the pollen doesn't bother me too much anymore.


Trivia Girl: Hmm..was that "When She Was Bad?"

Deadguy Tuesday Question: A couple of nights ago. :-)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 26 12:06:21 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: " I could squeeze you until you pop like warm champagne and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more." is a line from what episode of Buffy?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Mar 26 12:01:26 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for everdawn

yay everdawn!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale tv - home shopping and nature specials

when was the last time you watched a full episode of btvs?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Mar 26 12:00:09 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, March 26th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Allyson
Digital Grand
J.S.K.
Mrs. Macheath
sareigbab
witchywoman77

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Allyson, Digital Grand, J.S.K., Lena
Mrs. Macheath, sareigbab, witchywoman77



None of it means a damn thing., Mal, 'Objects In Space''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 26 04:33:35 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - The weather is variable. Not too long ago it was a steady gray. Right now it is beautiful. Highs in the 70s, lows in the 50s-60s.

Allergies are difficult. We went from cedar fever in the winter to elm and ash pollen, and right now the oak is blooming, and it will be followed by pecan and other odds and ends. I have 5 live oaks in my back yard, and all of my neighbors have oaks of various types. I pop pills and sleep under ice packs, but the exercise from snaking drains seems to have cleared my sinuses temporarily. *g*

Your area seems to be somewhat cooler right now. May I assume that your allergens are not too active yet?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 26 04:11:03 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings How's the weather down there? I trusty it will be not be as bad of an allergy season?



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 26 03:41:21 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Allyson!

Happy Birthday princessfantastico!

Belated Happy Birthday Alyson Hannigan, Blitz, and Powergirl!

Agent Cooper, Christopher Marlowe - Perhaps Maverick is too happily gloating, and will return when the glow wears off. *g* I've been gloating myself, but have been calmed down by sessions of drain snaking. Being sore and soaked and really annoyed has left me barely able to spread plastic over my car seat to get home, let alone being able to push the start button on a PC. I can get the TV on, but then I fall asleep.

#$%^&Y#!!! drain starts to flow more, and the water turns chalky and little calcified chips come out, and I think I'm making progress, and when I pull the snake out the last time, the flow is less, and I'm too tired to try again. But I will prevail. Eventually.

Ah, the lovely fighty fight of Anne! And the dream sequence on the beach. Good memories!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 26 02:55:10 2019 209.159.255.231)
I am still here!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 26 01:05:40 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Potpourri
Question: What does a philologist study?

Answer: language or what notsoShyGirl said!

Trivia Nice Try: Agent Cooper

yeah, I wonder where Maverick is too, I would think he would be gloating now that the Mueller report is out.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 26 00:33:55 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

DEMON GUARD
Who are you?

BOY #1
Rober..

BAM!

(dead boy)


DEMON
(to next kid in line)
Who are you?


Boy #2
(quick learner)
NO ONE

Demon grunts and moves to next slave-to-be

DEMON
Who are you?

BUFFY
(smiling)
Buffy (beat) The Vampire Slayer. And you are?


DEMON P.O.'d!! Raises club...


Buffy takes him down hard and we're off to one of the greatest fights in the
BTVS canon. *G*



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 25 18:01:29 2019 165.225.38.87)
So, continuing the Buffy Rewatch with Daughter Cooper. We watched "Anne" last night.

This one seems to me to be just a fun, I'm Buffy and I kick azz and don't you forget it and in case you DID forget from last season take that-BAM! episode.

Not much more to say about it than that.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 25 17:27:22 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: Stamps.


Hey, where's Maverick lately?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Mar 25 13:44:15 2019 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Literary texts and written records; also linguistics.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 25 12:38:19 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay allyson!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Mar 25 12:24:24 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Potpourri
Question: What does a philologist study?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 25 12:18:14 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, March 25th 2019 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


princessfantastico

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to princessfantastico



You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me. Mal, 'Ariel''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Mar 25 12:08:59 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for allyson!

yay allyson!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 25 12:07:53 2019 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta and sorry I missed wolfguard!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 25 05:04:02 2019 71.199.128.40)
Checked out Adaptations: From Short Story to Big Screen by Stephanie
Harrison. It combines analysis, commentary and text of 35 short stories that
"inspired great films". It's divided into ten parts. The last part is "The
Independents: Money Changes Everything". An excerpt ...

"...director Lawrence Kasdan (The Big Chill, Body Heat) put it in a
slightly different way: 'Sometimes Hollywood movies seem stupidly resistant
to the fascinating unpredictability of human beings. A writer I know was in
a meeting once with a studio executive who said with exasperation, 'These
characters are way too complicated for a movie this expensive.'" Paul
Schrader, who directed the low-budget independent film Affliction,
adapted from a novel by Russell Banks, has even put a dollar figure on this
threshold for complicated characters: He likes to say that somewhere around
$14 million you have to put white hats on the good guys and black hats on
the bad guys. And for a literary writer, them's fighting words..."

note: The book was copyrighted 2005.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 25 04:50:07 2019 71.199.128.40)
Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 25 01:25:13 2019 209.159.255.231)
I am still hearabouts!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 25 00:24:59 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, March 24th 2019 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Alyson Hannigan as Willow Rosenberg
Blitz
Powergirl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alyson Hannigan, Blitz, Powergirl!



Mal: Well, look at this! Appears we got here just in the nick of time. What does that make us? Zoe: Big damn heroes, sir. 'Safe''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 24 23:26:51 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Vampire of the Opera! Perfect!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 24 19:09:49 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Some other possibilities ...

Sunnydale!

All That Slaying

The Vampire of the Opera

Vampalot

Demons - I see Spike singing these lyrics..

With apologies to Cats

Daylight. I must wait for the sunrise. I must think of a new life. And I
mustn't give in.


*g*




WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 24 15:05:17 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I will suggest that the next time I see the artistic director. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 24 06:04:19 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

A theatre performance? "Buffy the Musical"?! *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 24 03:59:11 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Darkchild, Golden Girl, Marisa, Prince of Lunacy, and V.W.!

wolfguard - I feel less alone. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Good luck with the grants.

Comma - That sounds like a fun tradition. You might even have fairly decent weather for a cookout.

For myself, I snaked drains today. Fortunately my brother did most of the work of digging up a pipe to clear where ground water was supposed to go in the end of it. I chose the snaking, and we were both fairly successful, although one drain still needs a colonoscopy from a different end.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 23:58:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
Looking forward to a local production of the 'Full Monty' musical. A little treat to myself.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 22:02:42 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, March 23rd 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Darkchild
Golden Girl
Marisa
Prince of Lunacy
V.W.

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Darkchild, Golden Girl, Marisa, Prince of Lunacy, V.W.



I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more. Fuffy, 'Who Are You?''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Comma says:
(Sat Mar 23 16:35:58 2019 75.143.154.113)
Early good afternoon from your nation's capital. I am going shopping, in a few minutes, to purchase food for a community cookout tomorrow. I live in a set of officer's quarters. They have a long standing tradition of having a cookout the first Sunday of spring. The weather is of no concern. It has been going on since sometime in the eighties. So, no matter, I will be cooking out, with several hundred others, tomorrow.

Comma

PS: I can't wait until the country farmer's markets start opening up. Best fresh food in the world! CC



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 13:13:47 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!

wolfguard Two different kinds. One for a possible theater performance and another for an upcoming festival.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 23 08:49:02 2019 71.199.128.40)
"There's no other place like this place anywhere near this place, so this
must be the place.
"

Willow didn't say this, but she should have. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 23 05:23:03 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Listening to a Great Course lecture from "The Art of Teaching". It's on
revision and editing. *g* What sort of grant are you seeking?


White Wings,

Too final, I know the feeling. During the original airing of The Man
From UNCLE
there were 23 MFU paperbacks published. There were several
authors, probably the best was David McDaniel. He wrote what would have been
the final book, but due to a misunderstanding during staff changes at ACE
publishing the manuscript was dropped (McDaniel had a contract). Anyway, the
manuscript escaped into fandom. I was able to buy two copies, both photocopies
of The Final Affair. It's very good, but I've yet to finish it - "too
final" (I've had both copies since the ~mid-90's. *g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Mar 23 03:56:32 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay mh!

Happy Birthday Duff, Liquid57, LittleDucky, Mr. Holtz, Phil PhuD, Samuel Vimes, and Ye olde *** kicker!


wolfguard - I haven't kept the episode for 20 years. The DVR is not that old. I caught some reruns a few years ago, and Doppelgangland was the last one. I couldn't bear to delete it. In fact, I haven't gone all the way through it because it will seem too final. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - It's almost Saturday. Do you have any restful plans for the weekend, or are you fighting the good fight again?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 02:26:22 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay mh!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 02:19:29 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I am hereabouts as
well. *g* What are you doing
tonight? I am doing some grant
researching.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 23 00:55:52 2019 4.28.180.2)
Hereabouts


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 23 00:51:24 2019 209.159.255.231)
Home sweet home..



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Mar 22 12:59:17 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mh!

yay mh!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Mar 22 12:31:47 2019 73.58.128.92)
Trivia Girl--I'm with Agent Cooper--I've driven through Indiana
many times and it's full of corn! I've yet to see a peony anywhere, somebody's
frontin' :D



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Mar 22 12:25:52 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, 22nd 2019 C.E.

We have SEVEM (7) Birthdays!


Duff
Liquid57
LittleDucky
Mr. Holtz
Phil PhuD
Samuel Vimes
Ye olde *** kicker

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Duff, Liquid57, LittleDucky, Mr. Holtz, Phil PhuD, Samuel Vimes, Ye olde *** kicker



Angel: I can stay in town as long as you want me. Buffy: How's forever? Does forever work for you? 'Forever''

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 22 06:32:10 2019 71.199.128.40)
Bleated Yay Ojagwers!


Belated Happy Vernal Equinox!



White Wings,

You've had Doppelgangland on your DVR for, what? 20 years?


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

David hinted at a project involving angel, which character not named
angel do you most want to see?


Fred/Illyria


Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 22 03:44:36 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay neonate!

Happy Birthday Avarice, Corvus, Cranberie, jamo, MystikVamp, and Rachie!

wolfguard - I saw that particular piece while double-checking my recollections. It looks fairly canonical up to the end of S7. I quit following the comics, so I don't really know if the wiki followed them faithfully or not. I'm inclined to think it did, otherwise there might have been a storm of protest from the community. *g* D'Hoffryn was apparently dusted off a fair number of times.

But as it happened, for this discussion I didn't need more than the shooting script for Something Blue and the beginning of the episode of Doppelgangland that I'd left on my DVR.

Trivia Girl - Trivia corpse flower? Ouch. Apparently your board meetings inspire creativity. ;-)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 22 02:59:47 2019 209.159.255.231)
Apologies for the
lateness...board meeting!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Botany
Question: What is the state
flower
of Indiana?
Answer; peony



Trivia Delicate Flower:
NotSoShyGirl
Trivia Corpse flower: AGent
Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 21 18:01:07 2019 71.199.128.40)
Drive-By

White Wings,

https://buffy.fandom.com/wiki/D%27Hoffryn


I do not know if the site's creators followed true scholarly practice in their
use of sources. *g*


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 21 13:49:58 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: Um...corn?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Mar 21 13:02:53 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Peony



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Mar 21 12:41:57 2019 73.58.128.92)
Yay! neonate!


Happy Birthday Corvus!


Belated Yay! Ojagwers!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 21 12:39:49 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pu rsuits

Category: Botany
Question: What is the state flower
of Indiana?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Mar 21 12:32:42 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for neonate!

yay neonate!


Happy CD Thursday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 21 12:12:49 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, March 21st 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Avarice
Corvus
Cranberie/Sheila
jamo
MystikVamp
Rachie

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Avarice, Corvus, Cranberie, jamo, MystikVamp, Rachie



Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades. Willow, 'Who Are You?''

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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 21 07:19:08 2019 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - Allies within the intersection of the circles. Convenience. *g*

Anya's unsuccessful attempt to summon D'Hoffryn in Something Blue was part of the comedy, and it
left Willow to persuade D'Hoffryn to send her back all by herself.

But Anya got to D'Hoffryn just fine in Doppelgangland, when he was totally dismissive and cast her
aside.

She did yell at him after that, so perhaps he wasnt all that dreaded, which supports your theory that
he was only middle management.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 21 05:49:23 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Thu Mar 21 05:53:40 2019
White Wings,

"Of course" *g*

Not "allies", but "...other folks of different persuasion..." *g*

D'Hoffyn's ~ Give us a chant ~ is from Something Blue which is also
the episode where Anya does the spell to contact D'Hoffyn while the other
scoobies are fighting demons. She goes to her knees, draws a circle around
herself, and tries to do the spell, but messes it up a few times.


ETA

Blessd be, the name of Ta'hoffren. Let this space be now a gateway to the
world of Arash Ma'har, where demons are spawned.

....

Anya: (Still chanting) We come in supplication. We bend as the reed.. in the
flow of the, uh.. No, wait.. we-we come in the flow of the, uh.. Ugh! (Takes
a deep breath) Blessd be, the name of Ta'hoffren..



WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 21 05:29:16 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Ojagwers!

Happy Birthday Angelcakes aka ripped toast, Embraced, lulu, SAS, and UK slayer!

wolfguard - KBD, of course.

"Give us a chant" was D'Hoffryn's second appearance. The first time he served to emphasize and increase Anya's frustration. As such he was (IMO) quite effective. The second time he was in a comic episode, and so provided some comic relief. But the talisman proved useful in the last season.

He was called the Lord of some-place-or other, so he may have been higher than you give him credit for. But then, he may have just been practicing self-promotion, either to feed his ego, or to bluff other demons in a power play. Hard to say from where we stand.

How CIA case officers presented arguments that were palatable to their "allies" is one thing. Whether they were allies, being used themselves, or using the other parties probably varied according to the person and circumstances.

LOL! Casablanca. Somewhat reminiscent of The Prom. ;-)

DaddyCatALSO - Oh, the vengeance demons were definitely used. Anya pretty much admitted knowing that she was providing pleasure for the lower beings.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 21 03:39:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard OMG!! Buffy and Angel in Casablanca!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 21 03:14:47 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

In all the gem joints, in all the towns, in all the world ... She walks into
mine.

*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 21 02:13:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard 'The Gemara
Falcon' sounds like a great movie!
*g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 21 01:45:30 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Purse

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel do with
the Gem of Amarra?
Answer: Angel SMASH

Trivia Hulksters: wolfguard,
notsoShyGirl
Trivia Wimps: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 21 01:15:47 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay ojagwers!

deadguy qod

I would initially have said Lorne, but that might not be doable for obvious reasons. Maybe Groo or Gwen? I'm not too enthusiastic about any of the other characters.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 20 18:06:51 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

Agree on your analysis of the Loan Shark. I also thought D'Hoffyn had some
funny lines, but he came across to me as a stereo-typical ~boss~ character,
i.e. from down-below casting. *g*


DaddyCatALSO,

I do not feel a strong impulse to disagree with you that the vengeance
demons were being "used"; however, I can imagine other explanations. CIA
case officers use to sit down with other folks of different persuasions and
draw two overlapping circles and say, "This circle represents your interests
and this circle represents our interests and where the intersect we share
common interests. We can do business."


Trivia Girl,

Didn't Angel smash it? I recall Doyle finding Angel on the rooftop enjoying
the Sun going down. It would be his last, because once down he smashed the
gem.

Little know fact. The gem works almost as well in parts. After Angel
and Doyle returned downstairs a Salvagi demon gathered up the bits and
pieces and since there has been a thriving market for the bits. There is
some danger, because as bits they do not offer complete protection. A
vampire can risk dust-burn. There's also the problem of certifying a bit is
really from the gem (it's like bits of the "Cross" being sold across
Medieval Europe). Now and then one hears rumors of someone trying to gather
all the existing bits together to form a resurrected gemstone (see, "The
Gemera Falcon"). *g*


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Mar 20 14:50:12 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
He smashed it with a brick.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Mar 20 14:07:47 2019 199.127.148.4)
wolfguard Agent Cooper white wings, Christopher Marlowe D'Hoffryn's being male indicates something which fits precisely with my image of the Vengeance demons (and recall please that while Anyanka specialized in scorned women, Hallie didn't - I'm sure each one is different;) D'Hoffryn's male identity indicates to me that these women are not being empowered but *used*.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 20 13:25:35 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard: Actually I like the D'Hoffryn character. I would not include alongside that moronic, clumsy dumb loan shark demon.

D'Hoffryn was much more interesting, had a meaningful part in the story lines he appeared in, and had quite a few funny lines as well.

The shark thing was just a terrible idea. That's what happens when you try to go full camp, and fail miserably. Camp is harder to do successfully than people think it is.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 20 13:15:35 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: He threw it in the ocean. Which was crazy, he could have got MAD CASH for it on ebay!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 20 12:39:10 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Purse

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel do with the Gem of Amarra?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Mar 20 12:32:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, March 20th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Angelcakes aka ripped toast
Bianca Lawson as Kendra
Embraced
lulu
SAS (SoAnya's Sister)
UK slayer

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angelcakes aka ripped toast, Bianca Lawson, Embraced, lulu, SAS, UK slayer



And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat. Buffy, 'Buffy vs Dracula'

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OldManFan says:
(Wed Mar 20 12:15:59 2019 100.6.180.182)
Christopher Marlowe - "When the demon is female, they tend to 'sex her up'." You say that like it's a bad thing. *g

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Mar 20 12:10:55 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ojagwers!

yay ojagwers!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the vernal equinox

david hinted at a project involving angel, which character not named angel do you most want to see?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 20 07:32:22 2019 71.199.128.40)
XANDER
...You game?

ANGELUS
Buffy's white knight. You still love her. It must just eat you up that I got
there first.

XANDER
You're going to die and I'm going to be there.



Xander faces off Angelus in .... ?



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 20 06:39:09 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

I believe one or more of the writers pulled the D'Hoffyn from the character
cupboard. Second-tier management kind of demon. Easy to write. A bit of humor
through substitution: ~ Here's my (business card) talisman. If you change your
mind, give me a (call) chant. The only worst such character that comes to mind
is the "Loan Shark" form Tabula Rasa.

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Mar 20 03:20:15 2019 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Wed Mar 20 03:37:13 2019
Yay sassyeggs!

Happy Birthday kate228 and Maeve!

Of course D'Hoffryn was male. It made the whole scene where 1100 year old Anya
was pleading with him, teenage girl to a dismissive, uncaring older male who
cast her aside without listening, unbearably infuriating. One could
actually almost sympathize with her. Besides, she was failing math. *g*

Anya said that she wrought chaos (destruction?) to delight the lower beings.
Who would do that better, a man or a woman? "The female of the species is
deadlier than the male." "Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned." The
Greeks believed it - the Furies themselves were female. Demons aren't all-
knowing, they just think they are. If they believed in the time-worn wisdom,
they'd turn to women for their amusement. We probably shouldn't be
encouraging all men to get in touch with their feminine sides.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 20 02:51:46 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Are you speaking of television demons in general or just of BtVS? The show,
Lucifer, comes to mind. Devil done dandy. *g*

The demon-in-charge of vengeance demons should have been female. Joss dropped
the ball. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 20 02:24:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Yeah, it's sort
of interesting that the only
vengeance demons we see other than
D'Hoffryn is Anya and Halfrek, both
women. Typically we see male demons
look like D'Hoffryn. When it the
demon is female, they tend to 'sex
her up'.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 20 02:00:08 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

The writers could have written D'Hoffyn as female. It would fit the role. I
think they defaulted into the character being male.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 20 01:35:47 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard, Agent Cooper
D'hoffryn seem to be fairly high up
on the chain of command. LIke many
an office, the higher positions
tend to be occupied by males. I can
see Vengeance Demons having a
similar makeup.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 20 01:22:58 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What does D'Hoffryn offer
Willow in the episode Something
Blue?
Answer: a job as Vengeance Demon

Trivia bosses are wolfguard and
Agent Cooper!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 21:27:00 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper & DaddyCatALSO,

Perhaps we should consider D'Hoffyn's gender? To me, he comes across as male.
You'd think the demon lording over the women vengeance demons would be female.

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 19 20:49:16 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard/Daddycat: So where's the Demon Squad for decent, loyal men who've been done wrong by some faithless female to call on for revenge?

Does D'Hoffryn command a Skank Disposal Team as well?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 18:42:50 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Tue Mar 19 18:47:20 2019
Agent Cooper,

"De Opressa Liber" - A Free Woman

*g*

(ETA - Special Forces' original reason for being was create a cadre of men
who could enter an enemy occupied country where they would link-up with the
local resistance who they would aid with training, guidance, and if possible
additional US support)


DaddyCatALSO,

It depends on the given wish and how it's granted. For instance, "May he
know the pains of being a woman". The resulting experience might make for a
better person. Another possibility is the offending man is actually
transformed into a woman. Some might see a world with one less man and one
more woman as a net positive. *g*


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Mar 19 18:32:09 2019 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper wolfguard While I agree it would not be part of the upfront pitch, there is also the secondary agenda that the wishes have either a net or side or both effect of increasing the evil in the world.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 19 18:24:29 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard: So being a vengeance demon is akin to the unofficial Special Forces Credo?

Travel to Exotic Lands.
Meet Interesting People.
...And Kill Them



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 18:03:55 2019 71.199.128.40)
Trivia Girl,

Power, immortality, and the opportunity to cast her wrath on bad boys (she'll
also get to see the world, something not to be disregarded when one comes from
a small town).

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 19 13:38:08 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: The position of Vengeance Demon.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 19 12:35:46 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What does D'Hoffryn offer Willow in the episode Something Blue?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Mar 19 12:28:05 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for sassyeggs

yay sassyeggs!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale botantical gardens - come see our blood red roses

which of the scoobies most enjoys flowers and gardens?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Mar 19 12:25:24 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, March 19th 2019 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


kate228
Maeve

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to kate228, Maeve



I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services! Anya, 'Triangle''

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 03:13:07 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Your post references three topics, somewhat interrelated ...

(1) "Space debris"

This phrase is, as I understand it, related to human trash in orbit. It's
stuff that has accumulated from 50 odd years of human space activity.
There's a lot of it and has the potential of damaging satellites and
spacecraft. (See Kessler Syndrome)


(2) Things from outer space that might hit the Earth

One short-hand expression is "Near-Earth Objects". There are existing
projects and organizations aimed at finding, tracking, and monitoring such
objects. Similarly there have been efforts at exploring how the Earth could
be defended from such an object on a collision course. The Hollywood "blow-
it up" is the least effective method since instead of changing the object's
course it would only change it's form, i.e. instead of one big object
heading towards Earth there would be a lot of smaller objects heading
towards Earth.


(3) "Space Force"

Military forces are already in space. Various systems are used for
communications, navigation, remote sensing, and fighting1. These
systems are vital for US earth-based military forces and if there were a war
between the US and a peer competitor they would be attacked. Peer
competitors, i.e. China and Russia, have somewhat similar systems. Attacking
and defending such systems are the sort of tasks a "Space Force" would do.
President Trump is not being silly for discussing it.

OTOH, there are existing forces tasked with these missions. The question is
whether or not a dedicated "Space Force" would do a better job than the
existing forces. Most citizens who want to join this discussion probably hav
some reading-in to do.


1 We're talking about weapon systems that have to proceed through
a series of steps before a target is attacked.



WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 19 02:30:30 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Xanderella!

Happy Birthday Babie Buffy, prettygul2, and Sam Jayne!

wolfguard - I did remember the Giles/Jenny/poltergeist subplot in IOHEFY, though I missed the change in the way Willow referred to Jenny. A nice subtle touch. I was possibly more fixated on other scenes. ;-) To be sure, I appreciated the effort to give shippers some B/A smoochies in that dark time, even as it guided Buffy to quit lashing out at herself, and move on towards what she was going to have to do, which of course resulted in still-beating hearts being ripped out and trampled. *sniff*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 19 02:28:52 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I saw that, but I
would think it would have been
noticed by someone before it hit
the Earth's atmosphere. Instead of
a 'space force' we need a Space
Debris Detection Array or
something.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 02:21:15 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Possibly because it exploded over the Bering Sea.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 19 01:50:06 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard And we are just
learning about this close call
now??



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 19 01:02:06 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Sea-sonal Pursuit

Category: Seas
Question: Where would you find the SEa of Tranquility?
Answer: moon

Trivia MoonHotshots: notsoShyGirl, wolfguard, Agent Cooper!

Yay Xanderella!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 19 00:45:14 2019 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

I also own a Mars Globe, even though I believe focusing on Mars as the next
great space mission is self-defeating. *g*

I also have topo-map books for both Georgia and Arizona and a ~massive map of
China (latter a gift). *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 19 00:22:31 2019 209.159.255.231)
homr!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 18 18:23:08 2019 71.199.128.40)
Another close call ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Mar 18 18:22:52 2019 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard You do seem like the type who would own a lunar globe #deadpan.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 18 18:16:01 2019 71.199.128.40)
Trivia Girl,

It is where Apollo 11 landed in July of 1969. ~ One small step for (a) man.
One giant leap for mankind.~ On my Lunar Globe it looks close to the Moon's
equator.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 18 17:57:35 2019 165.225.38.87)
Just to be clear, the clue was "STABBED by Buffy..." not "Staked"

7 letters.

I had to look online for the solution. The answer is:

IMPALED

And now I'm even more ashamed...



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 18 17:52:34 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: The moon. Or possibly venus. Actually it could be Mars. I know it's in space someplace.


Whenever I have time to take a lunch and I'm stuck inside I do the crossword puxxles in the paper. I've gotten good at them. But today there was a clue I couldn't get. The hint was: "Staked by Buffy, as a Vampire."

Just couldn't figure it out.

I am filled with shame.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Mar 18 13:20:20 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
The moon



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Mar 18 12:47:23 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for xanderella!

yay xanderella!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Mar 18 12:05:33 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Sea-sonal Pursuit

Category: Seas
Question: Where would you find the SEa of Tranquility?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 18 11:56:32 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, March 18th 2019 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Babie_Buffy
prettygul2
Sam Jayne

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Babie Buffy, prettygul2, Sam Jayne



She just... she just did the math. Kaylee, 'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 18 05:26:22 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

Giles immediately focused on Jenny as the poltergeist. Buffy, Willow, and
Xander were less certain and questioned his determination. During this time
Willow was referring to Jenny as Ms Calendar, how a student might be expected
to speak of a teacher. But, after Giles had to fight to pull Willow out of the
supernatural whirlpool, her feelings and attachments gave forth ...

Jenny could never be this mean!


The line of writing leading to this was just well thought out.



WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Mar 18 03:28:51 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday chiAnya, Lost Boy, Mother Slayer, NANG, Phoenix, Rile!

YAY! Phoenix! - I hope it was a good one!

lostinamerica - I think you covered enough traditional bases for everyone. Sleep well! *g*



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Mar 18 02:35:37 2019 73.58.128.92)

Happy St. Patrick's Day!




ChristopherMarlowe--I'm stuffed full of corned beef, cabbage, potatoes and
soda bread and am going to bed!


Happy Birthday Phoenix!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 18 01:53:52 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, March 17th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Anya
Lost Boy
Mother Slayer
NANG aka Not A Normal Girl
Phoenix
Rile

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to chiAnya, Lost Boy, Mother Slayer, NANG, Phoenix, Rile



There are no absolutes. No right and wrong. Haven't you learned anything working for the Powers? There are only choices. Jasmine, 'Peace Out''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 17 22:16:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
Happy St Pats Day! I hope everyone had the luck of the irish today!



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 17 20:48:56 2019 70.112.135.184)

Happy St.Patrick's Day!



wolfguard - I cannot usually tell a lie. The hint caused me to zero in on the episode instantly. I remembered the comments from Principal Snyder and I knew they were subsequent to School Hard(gang related, PCP), but I didn't immediately tie them to this episode. But then I saw the hint, and whether I would have had to look up Snyder's comments is now in the realm of what might have beens.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 17 13:02:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 17 08:32:30 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Sun Mar 17 08:33:05 2019
White Wings,

Spot-on. Did you need the hint?

Silly me for asking, given the episode is probably one of the top
B/A'ers' episodes. *g*




WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 17 04:40:31 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday AuroraStar, Holly, John, NightOwl, Shadow, Wee Lord of Chaos!

wolfguard - IOHEFY!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 17 00:34:02 2019 209.159.255.231)
After working most of the day, time to enjoy a bit of Broadway, touring production of Kinky Boots



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Mar 16 15:17:57 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, March
16th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


AuroraStar
Holly
John
NightOwl
Shadow
Wee Lord of Chaos (Icelord's
Childe)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to AuroraStar, Holly, John,
NightOwl, Shadow, Wee Lord of
Chaos



Oz is the highest-scoring
person ever to fail to graduate.
Willow, 'Band Candy''


to be added to the birthday list,
please email
oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Mar 16 12:01:49 2019 73.58.128.92)
Comma--Yeah, I was thinking
the same thing yesterday :(



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 16 08:18:51 2019 71.199.128.40)
Flash Quiz

From which episode ....

SNYDER
We're on a hellmouth. Sooner or later people are going to figure that out.

COUNCILMAN
The City Council was told that you could handle this job. If you feel that
you can't then perhaps you'd like to take that up with the Mayor.

SNYDER
I'll handle it.

Councilman walks off.

SNYDER
(cont)
I will.


Hint

WILLOW
(to Giles)
Jenny could never be that mean!



WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Mar 16 03:18:46 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay belmont!

Happy Birthday chibbob, TheShawn, Toiletduck, and willNxand!

There's a last blast of winter(ish) weather here this weekend, in that it's now
52F. Next week it will be full-blown spring.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 16 02:19:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
Comma Sounds like it will be a beautiful time. It is starting to feel like spring around here.



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Comma says:
(Sat Mar 16 00:49:15 2019 75.143.154.113)
I hate to say this, my son is having to cut my grass, back in Tennessee, this weekend. I will be back home, the end of April, near my birthday, to put my park benches out and pretty up the yard.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 16 00:19:14 2019 209.159.255.231)
ahhhh...living for the weekend!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Mar 15 11:54:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, March 15th 2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


bbob
TheShawn
Toiletduck
willNxand

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to chibbob, TheShawn, Toiletduck, willNxand



Dawn: I think a date should be in a real fancy restaurant, then champagne at a night club with a floor show, then ballroom dancing. Joyce: Unfortunately, we're not dating in a movie from the thirties. 'I Was Made To Love You''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 15 11:49:05 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay belmont!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Mar 15 11:32:27 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for belmont!

yay belmont!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 15 04:58:31 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Your blizzard was pretty dramatic, but you are correct. Floods are the
disaster that keeps on taking, for years.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 15 04:09:43 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings More of a plow day. After the snow yesterday and overnight, police advised folks to stay off the roads while plows worked through the morning. There was ice underneath the snow. My workplaces were closed today, so I didn't go anywhere.

WE have easy, snow is easy to push away. Over on the East Side of the state, there is very severe flooding. And you can't exactly shovel water!



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 15 02:20:35 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Did you have a blizzard day?



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 15 01:39:24 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Buffyenta, SherBear, and Tiamat!

R.I.P. Malista

Agent Cooper - I vaguely recall that I put an unwarned spoiler in one of
my first posts. I was trying to do everything just right, and forgot that small
detail. I was petrified about it, and of course we couldn't edit back then. It
must not have been too spoilery, because I don't think anyone commented on it.
*g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 15 00:59:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Timely Pursuits

Category: Time
Question: Where is Greenwich (of Greenwich Mean Time)
:Answer: England

trivia Timeless. Agent Cooper!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 14 18:40:53 2019 165.225.38.87)
Wolfguard. Yeah. There really was something special about that relationship between the show and its fans, and the Bronze was one of the main vehicles for that.

I remember the count downs. And I remember how absolutely *LIVID* the entire Bronze would be when somebody (usually some hapless newbie) posted a spoiler without warning. It was like poking a nest of giant hornets. The wrath of God is probably slightly less blistering... :-)



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 14 18:20:15 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

I recall some bronzers doing count-downs before each Tuesday episode. There
was one bronzer who had a litany he posted just before each episode began. A
bronzer knew when sitting down before the TV that other bronzers were also
sitting down to share the experience. Some would post during the
show1 and immediately after the episode ended the Bronze exploded
with folks posting on the story. :) Grand times.

1 After first season I watched all the episodes on tape later
(for me, if an apocalypse was happening in Sunnydale it must be Wednesday
'morning'. *g* That said, now and then I might do a quick peek and see how
bronzers were acting. I did this during Doublemeat Palace and read a
person posting ~ROFLMAO!!!!~. While I had certainly not seen the show, the
title gave me AHA! and posted, ~Buffy in fastfood uniform?~. Bronzer
replied, ~YES! YES!~. I think my AHA may have also had roots in Snyder's
telling Buffy she my had a future at the hotdog stand and I think he may
have mentioned the uniform.


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 14 15:47:43 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, March 14th 2019 C.E.
Happy Pi Day!

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Buffyenta
Mercedes McNab as Harmony Kendall
SherBear
Tiamat

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffyenta, Mercedes McNab, SherBear, Tiamat



I'm a vision of hotliness, and how weird is that? Mystical comas. You know, if you can stand the horror of a higher power hijacking your mind and body so that it can give birth to itself, I really recommend 'em. Cordelia, 'You're Welcome''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 14 13:51:18 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: It's in England.


Wolfguard: Yes, timing is the key I guess. It depends on the show, and when you personally start watching it.

Mrs. Cooper and I didn't start watching Game of Thrones until last summer. I'd read the books and wanted to see what the show was about. We got hooked right away and pretty quickly devoured 7 seasons worth of it in a relatively short period of time. But now we are anxiously awaiting season 8 like everyone else. :-)

There's a new Netflix show my daughter and I love, called Dragon Prince. The first season was really good, and we watched that quickly. It's an animated series and the eps are short, like 20-25 minutes or so each, so it doesn't take long to binge watch the whole season.

After season one there was a great deal of fan interest and a big demand for a 2nd season, which came out last month. In this case, the seasons come all at once--IE, season two was released with all of the season's episodes available to watch right away.

This is of course very different from the the days us "old timers" remember, before the days of streaming video on demand, when you had to wait for eps to come on the day they aired...and heaven help you if you didn't have a VCR and couldn't be in front of the tube Tuesday night!!

That really did make it a more valued experience.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 14 13:30:57 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Timely Pursuits

Category: Time
Question: Where is Greenwich (of Greenwich Mean Time)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 14 12:49:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay malista!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Mar 14 11:54:22 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for malista!

yay malista!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Mar 14 11:00:49 2019 73.58.128.92)
white wings, ChristopherMarlowe--Yep, when Jim Cantore's in town that's
the kiss of death :D



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 14 05:47:57 2019 71.199.128.40)
Yay The Host!


Christopher Marlowe,

The cup half full? Copy and paste ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6K2STbSa_Q



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Should Buffy, or Angel, have battled leprechauns?

Given Angel was Liam and Liam was Irish ... Buffy. And for those B/A'ers -
are there still any around? *g* - there could be a crossover. Of course it
could be an deceptive cross-over like the first one where it was Oz who
appeared on AtS. Or it could be a phone call like the one where Angel called
Buffy and hung up on her without word or the 7th season ones - Angelus
calling the Summer's home or Willow getting a call from Fred. *g*


Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 14 04:04:27 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 14 01:53:03 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings Thats a good
question, it depends on what it is
like tomorrow.



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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 14 01:26:43 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay The Host!

Happy Birthday Jenny68, Lone Star Chemist, Manx, Opus, and Potters76!

lostinamerica, Christopher Marlowe - I saw that weather segment on Christopher Marlowe's home town and thought the same thing. Trying to release a weather balloon in 63mph winds looked brutal. But at least Jim Cantore wasn't there. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Stay warm and safe. Do you have to go in to work tomorrow?

Kiba Rika!! - *waves*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 14 00:41:12 2019 4.28.180.2)
Kiba Rika!

What will your podcast be called? How often do you write BtVS fanfic?
Everytime I hear the BtVS theme used to open Once More With Feeling,
I run through a list of fanfic titles/plots that I intended to write.
Procrastination is the sweetest sin. *g*


Agent Cooper,

I erred. It's not watch-on-demand, but the possibility that one can binge
watch a 'new' season. I imagine that's not possible for new season series?
For instance, when I watched a new season of iZombie and had to wait
a week or so for the next new episode.

OTOH, if a person comes to a series or season after it has first aired, then
it can be binge watched. Many people find it difficult to wait to find out
what happens next. They'd watch The Gift and immediately pop-in
Bargaining to find out what happened after Buffy died. I remember all
summer of 2001 being full of debates and discussions and speculations as to
how Buffy would be brought back, even if she'd be brought back. It was a
great summer. *g*


WG



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Comma says:
(Thu Mar 14 00:39:21 2019 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Thu Mar 14 00:42:24 2019
Trivial Girl: Just a guess-Joss Weadon?

Comma



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Mar 14 00:35:14 2019 73.58.128.92)
Trivia Girl--Yes, your city has made the Weather Channel broadcast--not
good :(

Stay warm!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Mar 13 21:47:26 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, March 13th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Jenny68
Lone Star Chemist
Manx
Opus
Potters76

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Jenny68, Lone Star Chemist, Manx, Opus, Potters76



She just... she just did the math. Kaylee, 'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 13 20:59:07 2019 209.159.255.231)
It has gotten very nasty very fast, like in a half hour. Glad I am home safe now.

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who wrote the Angel episode 'Dear Boy'?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 13 20:02:19 2019 165.225.38.87)
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running;
Like a watercolor in the rain;
Don't bother asking for explanations;
She'll just tell you that she came
-----In the year of the cat!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 13 16:12:36 2019 165.225.38.87)
Kiba Rika - Just out of curiosity, did your husband watch the series originally, or did you introduce him to it later on?



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Kiba Rika says:
(Wed Mar 13 14:26:30 2019 174.109.120.148)
Deadguy Tuesday Q: I'm with wolfguard. I think I would
definitely enjoy the show now, but the Bronze shaped the experience so
significantly for me. I really enjoyed watching it for the first six months or
so that I was into it before finding The Bronze, but it was a pretty
casual watch for me until then. My husband and I actually talked about this
recently. I'm in production for a Bronzer-flavored Buffy rewatch podcast, and
he said he thinks that if I hadn't found The Bronze, BtVS wouldn't be a show
we still talked about. We would have enjoyed it at the time and then moved on
to other shows. As it is, he's rewatching it and listening to, I don't know,
maybe 4 or 5 other rewatch podcasts? and I'm still writing BtVS fic and
talking about it and thinking about it all the time. Thanks, The Bronze!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 13 13:46:52 2019 107.77.173.8)
Trivia will be late today!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 13 13:31:06 2019 165.225.38.87)
Deadguy Wednesday Question: Since Giles definitively states that Leprechauns don't exist -- no.

Wolfguard: I think you're a half right about the watch on demand thing. Yes, that definitely takes some of the "sweet anticipation" factor away from a show that we got to share back in the day.

Then again, new shows today still have thriving online communities, partly because there is still a wait between eps and seasons that generates the same kind of anticipatory buzz. And these shows have huge interactive online fan bases. Think Sopranos, or Game of Thrones, etc.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Mar 13 12:20:29 2019 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--LOL, Slytherin :)


Belated Yay! wiccachick!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Mar 13 12:16:11 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for the host!

yay the host!

todays deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale st. patrick's day parade

should buffy, or angel, have battled leprechauns?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 13 05:50:58 2019 71.199.128.40)
Yay Wiccachick!

Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


If you had passed on watching BTVS 22 years ago, do you think you would
enjoy watching it as much now?


Since I was entranced from the beginning - for me Never Kill a Boy on the
First Date
- and did not discover the Bronze till early third season, I
believe I would have enjoyed watching it as much. Rewatching early
season episodes now evokes all sorts of happy memories.

That said, the experience of the Bronze community set BTVS apart from all
other shows I've watched. I also believe today's watch-on-demand lead many
to missing both the delight of anticipating each week's new show and the
opportunity to debate all the topics BTVS offered.


Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Mar 13 03:16:08 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay wiccachick!

Happy Birthday Android, BuBBles, Cordy101, Poki, Rakshasa, Serina, SweePer, and Terra!

Are people enjoying DST? I am. I walked out of work and it was so light that I felt as though I was sneaking out early. Since I was leaving with a clear conscience, it was a heady feeling. *g* It was still light by the time I got home, which was really neat, even if the weather was really odd. It was in the 70s, moist and gray, but the clouds were not releasing rain. This morning there was about as thick a fog as I've seen locally, not a pea souper, because I could see to drive, but I didn't have much visibility off the road in places. Moisture hung in the air and dripped on the ground. Perfect for losing the curl from straight hair, and frizzing the straightness out of curly hair. We may (but probably won't) have severe thunderstorms tomorrow morning, and then it's supposed to approach 80. Sorry, Christopher Marlowe

deadguy QOD: I honestly don't know. I'm older now. BtVS and experiencing the community and posting and all the things that I picked up along the way changed me, in ways that other things might not have. I'm sure I would have enjoyed it, but would I have been too crotchety by now to enjoy it in the same way? I'd probably find the lack of cell phones a little jarring it's still recent enough that I'd always have to keep in mind that it's an older show. I hope that the people and the emotions, the humor and joy and sorrow and the shipping would still ring true.

Agent Cooper - We'll never know, but it's quite possible that the frat boys called it Slytherin amongst themselves. It might have broken the fourth wall to refer to it openly.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 13 02:18:04 2019 209.159.255.231)
Ugh, winter storm/blizzard in my town.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 12 23:50:24 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay wiccachick!

That is a good question. I don't think I would have enjoyed watching it as much? The fan community was about as great as btvs, so I don't think I could have that same combo now that I did back then.



Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 12 23:38:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the fraternity in Reptile Boy?
Answer: Delta Zeta Kappa


Trivia GreekMeister: notsoShyGirl
Trivia OHSoClose: Agent Cooper!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Mar 12 20:35:51 2019 199.127.148.10)
Would I enjoy BtVS if I first d iscovered it today? Yes, probably, but I wouldn't be obsessed with it. That was due to certain things which happened in my life between ages 41 & 49, which deeply colored my views of certain aspects of it and its spin-off.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 12 17:56:08 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: Actually, I want to change my answer.

They were in SLYTHERIN!

Hah!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Mar 12 16:05:49 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Delta Zeta Kappa



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 12 14:24:07 2019 165.225.38.87)
Trivia Girl: Kappa Tappa Kegga

Deadguy Tuesday: Actually yes. It's very likely.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Mar 12 14:05:48 2019 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Yes, I told you I'd read the lyrics.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Mar 12 12:16:36 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for wiccachick

yay wiccachick!

todays deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

hypothetical, inc. - what if you buy our products

if you had passed on watching btvs 22 years ago, do you think you would enjoy watching it as much now?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Mar 12 12:13:57 2019 108.67.73.81)
wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe,
DaddyCatALSO, white wings
--I
love that song too :)


Happy Birthday SweePer!


Happy Belated Birthday KAM!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 12 12:04:40 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the fraternity in Reptile Boy?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Mar 12 11:49:12 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, March 12th 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Android
BuBBles
Cordy101
Poki
Rakshasa
Serina
SweePer
Terra

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Android, BuBBles, Cordy101, Poki, Rakshasa
Serina, SweePer, Terra



Zoe: Don't think it's a good spot, sir. She still has the advantage over us. Mal: Everyone always does. That's what makes us special. 'Serenity''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wowlfguard says:
(Tue Mar 12 05:34:41 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

You're just tired of the snow. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 12 03:12:27 2019 209.159.255.231)
[b[wolfguard[/b] I adore that song!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 12 02:44:45 2019 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind
All they are is dust in the wind
Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do crumbles to the ground though we refuse to see
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
Oh, ho, ho
Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away
And all your money won't another minute buy
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
Dust in the wind
Everything is dust in the wind
Everything is dust in the wind
The wind.
"

Songwriters: Kerry Livgren / Kerry A Livgren


DEPRESSING

*g*


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 12 00:19:00 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit


Category: Firsts!
Question: Jeannette Rankin was the first woman to be what?
Answer: elected to Congress

Trivia Master: OldManFan!

yay dean!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 12 00:15:51 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay DeAn!

Happy Birthday chihunter, Janna, Jen15, KAM, Megan, MojoDiva, and Old Married Guy!

Christopher Marlowe - That's how it often goes. ;-)

wolfguard - The song may have been dreary, but all I really remember is the refrain as a disembodied phrase with music. It's not any more dreary than "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow", which is Great Literature. Of course, Great Literature can be quite unhappy. *g*

Agent Cooper - Good work!



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Comma says:
(Mon Mar 11 21:40:38 2019 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Mon Mar 11 21:43:28 2019
I am trying to recover some information on the 'W.S. Tothill Company of Chicago, IL. I am trying to find out when it closed. I know:

1. Founded 1875 by W.S. Tothill, originally from Berman, England.

2. By 1917, was the official supplier of playground equipment to the Chicago School system.

3. I have seen a few references to them still being around in the middle, to late, 1920s.

Anyone from that area know anything?

Comma

P.S. Years ago, in what had been a Chicago residence, then a city park, that had closed down in the late fifties, a friend of mine, who taught at one tome in the Chicago School system, Oscar Hern, found two sets of park bench ends buried in the dirt. I have those and am making park benches out of them. They were made by W.S. Tothill, Chicago. CC



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 11 17:52:56 2019 165.225.38.87)
I didn't tell anybody I liked the show right away, but I really didn't hide it either. I really didn't care too much either way.

I didn't really sing the show's praises or try to get others to watch - but when Tuesday night rolled around I was watching, and if anybody dropped by my bachelor pad at that time, they had to watch too. QUIETLY.

..and little by little, I soon had an apartment full of friends and relatives who would "drop by" on Tuesday nights when Buffy was on. :-) Heh.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Mar 11 16:11:33 2019 199.127.148.6|199.127.148.4)
wolfguard white wings Well, I just r ead the lyrics of Dust in the Wind (It's just a thing I overheard on jukeboxes back in the day) it's just a bit of reflection on how nothing in the world is permanent, and hs a pleasant and memorable tune, not so much d epressing as just plain physics.
Xander was presumably listening to a tape of old Patsy Cline songs since the song was that go-to c&w reference for people who d on't really know the genre, "I Fall To Pieces." (I wrote a fic where Tara proposed to Willow by singing an old Roy Clark song. in another fic about wishes I quoted from "We believe In Happy Endings & Here In the Real world".) )



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Mar 11 14:19:57 2019 199.127.148.10)
Juliet ahs a reputation for answering tweets a lot, but she also seems really nice. She tweeted a logn apology to WizardWorld attendees saying she had to cancel because of chance to read for a great part. I Tweeted her that any working person could understand something that is "part of the job" and she tweeted back "thank you so much.



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Mar 11 12:29:53 2019 100.6.180.182)
Trivia Girl - she was the first woman elected to Congress, before women could vote.

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Mar 11 12:24:13 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dean!

yay dean!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Mar 11 12:07:37 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit


Category: Firsts!
Question: Jeannette Rankin was the first woman to be what?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 11 11:59:39 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, March 11th 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


hunter
Janna
Jen15
KAM
Mark Metcalf as the Master vampire
Megan
MojoDiva
Old Married Guy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to chihunter, Janna, Jen15, KAM
Mark Metcalf, Megan, MojoDiva, Old Married Guy



As Willow goes, so goes my nation. Oz, 'Homecoming''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 11 05:27:23 2019 71.199.128.40)
LostinAmerica,

I was aware some people would react with bemusement at being told I was a fan
of BTVS, but I've been a contrarian most of my life. I revel in being the
devil's advocate. It's one reason some liberals think I'm conservative and
some conservatives think I'm liberal. *g*


White Wings,

But there the step was. *g* Dust in the Wind is one of the most
depressing songs in music history. I believe was a top hit sometime during the
70's. I can't explain why. Maybe Xander could. As I recall after he got turned
down by Buffy for the prom or spring fling he went home to lay in bed
listening to the music of pain (Country & Western?). *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 11 01:51:34 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings He was very helpful, but at the wrong time. *g*



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 10 19:30:33 2019 70.112.135.184)

Happy 22nd Birthday Buffy the Vampire Slayer


Happy Birthday Anwyn-na-gig!

Christopher Marlowe - You only have to wait six months and your car clock will once again be correct. Either that or give a ride to your clock-correcting friend. *g*

lostinamerica - My immediate family were the last people I wanted to know what I was watching. My father was particularly good at teasing. But I valued the family safety rule that someone had to know where one was going. So when I was going to my first PBP, I had to spill the beans. You can imagine the reaction to having the rather introspective daughter announce that she was going alone to San Diego to rendezvous with a woman she'd never met, to drive to LA to meet with a whole batch of people she'd never met. There was a lot of shock and mocking and laughing. But I went and survived, and after that only had to listen to teasing.

It was many years before I told anyone where I worked about my watching habits.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Mar 10 16:11:21 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, March 10th 2019 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Anwyn-na-gig
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Anniversary

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Anwyn-na-gig, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Anniversary



Hey, I've been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity. I can handle myself. Wash, 'War Stories''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 10 13:40:02 2019 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Mar 10 13:08:32 2019 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard, white wings--Oh, I
NEVER divulged I watched "BTVS" to
anyone other than my immediate
family--you'd have thought I was
watching porn or something :D

And that was the worst, finding out
you either forgot to tape or the VCR
didn't tape an episode, grr, argh :(