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lostinamerica says:
(Tue May 14 12:11:42 2019 73.58.128.92)
white wings--Nice! We've seen some does that are very thick around the
middle and wondered if they're pregnant, maybe so :)


Happy Birthday Austin154!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue May 14 12:08:35 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who grants Cordy her wish
in The Wish]/i]?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue May 14 11:56:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, May 14th 2019 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Austin154
CHRIS
EviLS I T
pink fish rool!!!!
Sasheer
Snackdog

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Austin154, CHRIS, EviLS I T, pink fish rool!!!!
Sasheer, Snackdogn



Wash: I didn't think you were one for rituals and such. Mal: I'm not, but it'll keep the others busy for a while. No reason to concern them with what's to be done. Bushwhacked''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Tue May 14 08:10:37 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

I've been reading reviews of "The Bells", The Game of Thrones. Some
good ones, but little time now to post on them. Against all that has happened,
this spoilerish speculation, ((Tyrion once survived a visit with two
of the dragons. Perhaps he has Targaryen blood? If so, if and when Daenerys
tries to execute him for freeing Jamie - she may be surprised by the
result
)), is a minor one. *g*

More tomorrow


Night Bronze

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue May 14 02:03:27 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Pondering in preparation to replying. *g*


White Wings,

In the flashback scenes I remember Buffy dressing like Harmony. *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

I would bet in most stories the protagonists' original plan goes off the
rail. In the beginning something bad happens to the protagonist. Sheriff
Brody's quiet town is visited by a hungry shark. Sometimes what happens
looks good, but ... Rory gets accepted at Chilton Prep School but ...

LORELAI
(phone)
There are a lot of zero's behind that 5.


Lorelai is going to have to go begging to her parents for money.




WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue May 14 01:16:57 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: occupations
Question: What does a cordwainer
do?
Answer: made shoes

Trivia Master Cobblers:
notsoShyGirl

wolfguard, Agent Cooper, doesn't
everything go off the rails for
folks on GoT?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue May 14 00:26:47 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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white wings says:
(Mon May 13 21:18:23 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Irene Adler!

Happy Birthday Arielle, babyvamp2, htaurus, newt, and shadowmom!

lostinamerica - It seemed like a very long four hours. The good part is that my brother and I made it through with no sibling squabbling. We, ah, might have worked through that part on previous snaking sessions. ;-)

Agent Cooper - I read that some ESPN commentator made a thoughtless remark about GoT that was a spoiler for the left coast, and there have been bitter recriminations. *g*

wolfguard - That was how I "remembered" Buff crawling around feeling desperately for the stake. The same vision does include some atrociously patterned pants or leggings, and without double-checking it I now begin to doubt myself. But only a little.

Re: your speculations. From Lord Peter Whimsey: "The first thing a principle does if it really is a principle is to kill somebody." I find that to be scarily true all around. It makes me really wary of idealogues. OTOH, it's easy to do something and develop a high-sounding principle to cover it.

And in Mother Nature news, I've just seen my first newborn fawn of the season.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon May 13 18:45:38 2019 66.152.102.250)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon May 13 17:20:58 2019 66.152.102.250)
Lostinamerica/Genevieve's Lucy:
You can always just watch Football on Your Phone

Trivia Girl: Not a man among us can remember.

Wolfguard: Game of thrones Spoiler-filled stuff: I get the anger though. The change in Danerys WAS kind of abrupt. This is the woman who chained up her beloved dragons underground for an entire year so they wouldn't hurt another child. It's a bit out of character to say the least for her to suddenly go full napalm on women and children. On the other side of the coin (heh) I can kinda see how this built up, with the series of betrayals, or what she saw as betrayals anyway, happening around her in her inner circle and then the shocking info about Jon Snow coming to light. If we take that train, I can see the beheading of Missandei and the turning of Varys as the straws that broke the camel's back and plunged Danerys into a murderous rampage. Still though, even THEN it's a bit of a stretch and kind of jarring story-wise for her to go full on "kill them all and lot God sort them out" nuts in such a short time. So I can both sides and I get the fan anger. PREDICTION: Arya figures out which queen it is that she REALLY needs to kill. :-) END SPOILER THINGY



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon May 13 16:06:14 2019 199.127.148.10)
Comma I'm convinced Peggy Lipton, based on her mother's maiden anme, is a distant cousin of our Amber



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wolfguard says:
(Mon May 13 16:00:26 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

I'd forgotten, "...she was crawling around hunting for it...", but now can
'see' it. When Merrick (?) sat down with Buffy and reviewed that slaying, he
should have recommended she get a stake leash. *g*


Agent Cooper,

Spoiler on Game of Thrones, "Heads of Tails?" (my episode name *g*)

((Daenerys' character and storyline had been building up to what
happened. Her fans are not happy, though some are defending what she did
(She's my second or third favorite character. My favorite character rides a
pale horse. Team Ayra! *g* Thanks Sandor).

Before the episode aired, I was pondering on how the series would end. Part
of the pondering involved looking at the three kingdoms (queendoms?) and
asking which queen had the biggest abyss between who and where she was and
who and where she wanted to be (Sansa, Cersei, Daenyris). Answer: Daenyris.

Her actions aside, her scariest words ~ We believe in mercy. Mercy for
future generations who will not live under tyranny ~.

The bad things 'good' people will do in the now for good things in the
future. God spare us people who have power and want utopia.
))



WG



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Comma says:
(Mon May 13 15:39:31 2019 75.143.154.113)
R.I.P. Doris Day!

Charles



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon May 13 14:32:40 2019 73.58.128.92)
Genevieve's Lucie--Yeah, it's tough posting on a cell phone :(

Actually, it's not that great for sending emails either--apparently the only
think they're really good for is playing games ;)


white wings--That sounds like it was a really unpleasant four hours :(


Happy Birthday newt!


Yay! Irene Adler!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon May 13 13:12:03 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Shoes



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon May 13 13:11:12 2019 66.152.102.250)
Game of Thrones spoiler-free commentary:

Well, there it is. Didn't take long for THAT to go completely off the rails. Yikes.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon May 13 12:06:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: occupations
Question: What does a cordwainer
do?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon May 13 11:52:30 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, May 13th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Arielle
babyvamp2
htaurus
newt
shadowmom

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Arielle, babyvamp2, htaurus, newt, shadowmom



Walking I get. But power walking? Why not just run for a shorter time? Angel, 'Belonging''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon May 13 11:50:21 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for irene adler!

yay irene adler!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon May 13 04:50:42 2019 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - I had forgotten how Buffy killed that first vampire. *g* Yes, she staked him and he didn't poof, and she said "missed the heart", and then I think the vampire knocked away the stake and she was crawling around hunting for it and somehow wound up on her back with the stake pointed up. It was also somewhat like Xander staking Jesse. How someone wary of that first staking gets a little assist.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon May 13 03:28:13 2019 71.199.128.40)
COMMA,

I remember almost nothing about the plot of the movie and only a few scenes
come vaguely to mind. I do remember it said during the series that Buffy had
burned down the high school gymnasium and that Joyce and Buffy moved to
Sunnydale for a new start (Following the divorce and gym burning?).



White Wings,

I remember a flashback of Buffy slaying a vampire, perhaps her first. As I
remember it, she may have fallen on her back with the stake pointing up. The
vampire impaled itself when going in for the bite. If this memory is
correct, *g*, then it's similar to how Dawn slayed Justin in 6th season's
teaser to Lessons (7.1), Buffy tells Dawn, ~ I missed the heart my
first time ~. DAWN ~ No way ... BUFFY ~ Well just once / that time.




Tonight's Game of Thrones. As they say in Westeros, "Oy Vey!" *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon May 13 02:24:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
MOm is well and enjoyed the flowers, I had expected to do!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon May 13 00:06:39 2019 74.76.171.166)
Yes, the Beta is still here!

And I am in charge!!


Narrator: In no way, shape or form is Agent Cooper in charge of this (or any) online posting board. He is a semi-regular, barely tolerated poster at best, and is not professionally affiliated with the Bronze Beta TM in any way.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun May 12 23:12:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
Hi Genevieve's Lucie! The beta still exists, we are hardy posters! *g*



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white wings says:
(Sun May 12 21:03:34 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Mother's Day!

Happy Birthday AleXander, BlackMagicBitsy, DaLilBit ===] look, Dark Reflection, Denise, Harlequin, JULES the Younger, Lauz, Lupe, satinethesparklingdiamond, and Slayerette-in-Training!

Genevieve's Lucie - Phones and autocorrect are indeed difficult for posting. By all means pass on the legend of the Bronze. The Beta keeps on, a little light for those who need to find a way, even if there are other enclaves out there. I hope y'all enjoyed the beach, since the Northeast looks due for some serious unpleasantness from Mother Nature.

wolfguard - I saw very little of the movie, but there were the flashbacks. Remember when Angel (in his Stink Guy Bad Wig phase) was watching her as she was called, and on her first hunt? There was a scene with Buffy in the bathroom after staying out too late killing vampires, and she was dissolving into tears as her parents fought. It's possible that the divorce had already happened, and Hank had just dropped by to yell at Joyce, but more likely that they were still together and he was at home to be irritated by Joyce's parenting style for an apparently out of control teenager. It seemed to me that the divorce happened later, possibly before the gym was burned down, or the divorce and relocation occurred over the summer.



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Comma says:
(Sun May 12 19:27:21 2019 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Sun May 12 19:32:57 2019
wolfguard: I stand corrected. I did check Weatonlogy and that did not help. I do not remember any talk about her parents in the movie. Only her Mom was around. Did they not move to Sunnydale because of the things that happen in LA? ie: people dying and the gym burning down?

CC



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wolfguard says:
(Sun May 12 18:35:10 2019 71.199.128.40)
Comma,

Into each generation are born a number of potentials from which a slayer is
chosen. When a given slayer dies, then another potential is chosen. Buffy
'died' in Prophecy Girl and this lead to the potential, Kendra, being
chosen as the new slayer.1 Kendra's death in Becoming 1
lead to the potential, Faith, being chosen.

In 7th season Anya and Giles are told that Buffy's resurrection affected the
forces creating an opportunity for The First to attempt an invasion of the
world using its army of uber-vamps. In preparing for that campaign The First
recruited Caleb and its army of Harbingers to seek out and kill all the
potentials so there'd be no slayer to confront them.2 Buffy
summarized it to Willow ~ The First will kill all the potentials. The Faith.
Then me.

Joyce was separated or divorced when she and Buffy moved to Sunnydale. I
know Buffy became the slayer in LA, but I don't remember if her parents were
divorced at that time (And I saw the movie. *g*)



1 Since Buffy didn't die, Xander resusciated her, some fans have
argued a new slayer should not have been chosen. The Shadow Men created the
first slayer. We do not know if at that time they considered for how long
they might need a slayer, so we don't know if at that time they created a
way to create a new one (one might speculate that once the first slayer
died the shadow men just grabbed another local girl and spelled her).
Obviously something was done that created a transfer of power over time. I'm
speculating that happened early in the history when 'death' may have been
defined as a cessation of breathing or stoppage of the heart. If so, then
once Buffy stopped breathing long enough the magick identified her as dead
and activated one of existing potentials to become the new slayer (I have a
theory on how the magick chooses the new slayer, another post. *g*)


2 Buffy said she was tired of waiting while The First picked off
potentials so she decided to preempt the battle with her 30 odd potentials,
the scoobies, and a gamble on scythe magick.



WG



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Genevieve’s Lucie says:
(Sun May 12 17:42:43 2019 75.97.176.231)
Ugh, my tags are showing. Im so out of practice. Also, I looked up the Beta - Not the Bets. Posting
from a phone is not so easy.



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Genevieve’s Lucie says:
(Sun May 12 17:35:57 2019 75.97.176.231)
[bold]White Wings[\bold]: Hello to you. I
am well. I was trying to explain the BtVS
fandom to my boyfriend, who is a geek, but
not familiar with BtVS/Angel. We were
hanging out at the beach last weekend with
[bold]SweePer[\bold] and
[bold]FASTEDDIE[\bold]. On a whim I
looked up the Bets on my phone. I was
happy to see it is still up and running.



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Comma says:
(Sun May 12 14:26:20 2019 75.143.154.113)
Wolfguard: If we go by the ancient laws of being a slayer, Buffy was a slayer from the day she was born. She just wasn't a 'active' slayer until she was around '15/16'?

"Unto each generation, a slayer is born...

I'm not sure when, in Buffy's life, the divorce happen?

Comma



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun May 12 13:01:29 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, May 8th 2019 C.E.
Happy MOther's Day!

We have TWELVE (12) Birthdays!



AleXander
BlackMagicBitsy
DaLilBit ===] look
Dark Reflection
Denise
Harlequin
JULES the Younger
Lauz
Lindsay Ann Crouse as Professor Walsh
Lupe
satinethesparklingdiamond
Slayerette-in-Training

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to AleXander, BlackMagicBitsy, DaLilBit ===] look, Dark Reflection, Denise, Harlequin, JULES the Younger, Lauz, Lindsay Ann Crouse as Professor Walsh, Lupe, satinethesparklingdiamond, Slayerette-in-Training



Tara: 'Your One-Stop Spot to Shop for Lots of New-Age and Occult Items.' Catchy. Giles: Think so? Tara: Uh huh. In a... hard to say sorta way. 'Shadow''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun May 12 12:49:54 2019 209.159.255.231)
happy mother's day beta!



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Comma says:
(Sun May 12 12:42:10 2019 75.143.154.113)
R.I.P. Peggy Lipton. In the day, I never missed 'The Mod Squad', not a fan of 'Twin Peaks'.

Goodbye and Rest In Peace Cesar Barron. Better known as 'Silver King'. He died, from a heart attack, during a wrestling match in London.

Charles



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wolfguard says:
(Sun May 12 05:30:56 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Did Buffy become the slayer before or after her parents' divorce?

WG



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white wings says:
(Sun May 12 03:52:41 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - How was the day unexpected? Was it better, or worse? Did you get any rest? *g*

My day was expected, but aspects of it were not properly anticipated. My brother and I planned to snake a drain. We rented a mechanical snake because that would let us get through a blockage that we knew to be calcium deposits. We got the heaviest machine that we could lift. We got it home and positioned it. First they hadn't included the hex wrench we needed to change heads, but after searching we found one. Then we knew the machine didn't have an autofeed, but the snake was really jammed in the cage and slightly rusted, and it took a lot of work and energy on my brother's part to free it. Finally we stripped the snake out of the cage and into the drain and used the motor and cleared enough of the blockage to lower the water level. We tried to clear it more, but could not, and were losing energy. Finally we had to spend the rest of our strength getting the snake back into the cage, close everything up, and return the snake. But the drain is flowing freely. I'll have to keep up chipping away at the deposits manually, because I think it will be a long time before my brother is willing to rent a mechanical snake again, and it's not something that I could handle. *g* A triumph, but I didn't think it would take four hours.



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white wings says:
(Sun May 12 03:25:59 2019 70.112.135.184)
Genevieve's Lucie - Hello back! How are you doing? What are you doing? Great to see you!



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Genevieve’s Lucie says:
(Sun May 12 03:20:30 2019 75.97.176.231)
Hello, Beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun May 12 01:49:36 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard That's something work exploring for sure. Her first vampire fight would have been significant.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun May 12 00:14:48 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

If Buffy got hit or kicked or tossed or thrown during any of her fights or
slayings in LA, then it would be one of those and I don't know the answer,
i.e. her first fight. I do believe the first time she was seriously hurt
emotionally was when her parents separated or divorced.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun May 12 00:08:33 2019 209.159.255.231)
Well, that day didn't turn out quite like I expected!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 11 13:23:04 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard When was the first time Buffy was hurt, either physical or emotionally? Posit this being just before the start of the tv series.



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white wings says:
(Sat May 11 04:25:00 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay jynx!

Happy Birthday Dalia, the Hunny, and Quaint Little Shop Girl!

I've found Night Court in the early mornings on TV. It's easy watching, undemanding. Just at the moment it's more relaxing than watching the weather.

Christopher Marlowe - Didn't you report a touch of snow? That's fairly horrifying. But I tell you what, it was in the low sixties here today. In May! I was wearing a long-sleeved turtleneck.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat May 11 01:58:59 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'll take prompts. You? A week or Rayne visited. S/he was rewatching
6th season in prep for writing new fanfic.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 11 01:49:03 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I've been feeling the need to write Buffy fic too. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 11 00:50:22 2019 209.159.255.231)
home

wolfgaurd Want a writing prompt?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri May 10 18:34:55 2019 71.199.128.40)
I need to write BTVS fanfic. *g*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri May 10 12:25:41 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, May 10th 2019 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Dalia
The Hunny
Quaint Little Shop Girl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Dalia, the Hunny, Quaint Little Shop Girl



We gotta go to the crappy town where I'm the hero! Wash, 'Jaynestown'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri May 10 12:17:02 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay jynx!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri May 10 12:09:28 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for jynx!

yay jynx!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri May 10 05:50:42 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

I stopped watching Supernatural around season 5 or 6. What season is it
now, 14? Point, I don't know what those Winchester boys have been doing or how
they might have changed. In the early seasons, though, Buffy would have
favored Sam and Faith would have partied with Dean.

WG



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white wings says:
(Fri May 10 03:36:02 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Ronia!

Happy Birthday Alpinefresh, Daphmax, Kayls, and Sonrisa!

Christopher Marlowe - I really liked S1 of AtS. On the other hand, there was the vampire makeup in the first ep, which is hard to overlook. *g*

I managed to miss a storm. There was a community meeting, and the sky was getting darker and darker. But I went, and it was sprinkling when I went in, thundered and poured while I was inside, and sprinkling when I left. That kind of thing almost never happens to me. I had put my hair on top of my head, as that's a better 'do to wear through pouring rain, and I had a little umbrella hidden in my purse, and those precautions might have made the rain avoid me, but I'm not so sure. Perhaps someone else at the meeting had weather control.

Best of all, if I'm very lucky and very, very good, I may be on city sewer in a year. There are potential downsides, such as having to use a pump that won't work if the power goes out, and I'll have to pay, but on the other hand I won't have to fear a septic tank that ceases to work and backs up into my house, and there will be one less agency involved it I ever decide to sell the house.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri May 10 03:28:44 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Ok, who would
Buffy like more, Sam or Dean? *g*

Agent Cooper Maybe a '1'
followed by a 100 zeros?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri May 10 02:20:25 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay ronia!


Happy CD Thursday!


Apologies for the lack of trivia, I was running late for work.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri May 10 01:15:54 2019 67.158.25.23)
I hope to be home soon!!!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu May 9 17:58:18 2019 165.225.38.67)
Trivia Girl: When you say "googleplex of stars", exactly how many Bronze Points is that?

I am keeping score at home.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 9 17:39:20 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Never. Two shows are oil and water. That's my reflexive intuition on it. *g*

WG



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu May 9 12:39:16 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ronia!

yay ronia!


Happy CD Thursday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu May 9 12:21:42 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, May 9th 2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Alpinefresh
Daphmax
Kayls
Sonrisa

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alpinefresh, Daphmax, Kayls
Sonrisa



Willow: Yikes. Imagine the things...Buffy: No! Stop imagining! All of you! Xander: Already got the visual. 'Intervention'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu May 9 12:11:27 2019 209.159.255.231)
belated yay to amystar!



SECOND season is always the BEST
season of any show!


Happy belated Non-Angel
Wednesday!



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white wings says:
(Thu May 9 03:29:00 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay amystar!

Happy Birthday Alex, chemistrygirl, Kalila, Kenickie, Lan, NTV Alex, VeeJay, and weezergeekn!

lostinamerica - I know! My front door! Like a delivery package! To be fair, she tucked it between some planters and the corner, and it wasn't too obvious until you knew it was there. She might have felt that predators wouldn't go there, but she was wrong. I don't think they'd go there by day, but I've found raccoon poop in that corner. There was also a bloodbath there one night. I don't know what bit the dust, perhaps a lizard or maybe a rat or a little bird, but I found bloodstains up to four feet high on the wall and on some glass. It was a pain to find them all to clean them off.

More rain and lightning and thunder this morning, after which it cleared off and became sunny. Tomorrow might be a repeat. This May is, well, acting like May can, but it's making me nervous. I wonder what might be yet to come. I'm also kind of superstitious about Memorial Day weekend, because Austin has had some really devastating weather on that weekend over the years. I was in Memorial Stadium watching the opening ceremony of Special Olympics in '81, the year that a stray cloud formed and dropped 10" of water over the headwaters of a creek that goes through town. That was the year Willie Nelson accompanied the torchbearer all the way around the track and up to the flame to light it, in pouring rain. When the flame was lit, you could see the colors of the groups of athletes in the field and in the stadium audience sort of waver and break like waves for the exits. It kept raining into the night. A lot of businesses flooded, notably all the car dealerships downtown. Too many people died driving through water at night.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu May 9 02:23:39 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Have you ever
thought about Buffy appearing on
Supernatural?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu May 9 00:54:14 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel face at
the very end of the final episode
of the show?
Answer: Dragon

I meant dragon but a Googlplex of
stars for everyone else's answers!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed May 8 22:36:11 2019 73.58.128.92)
Trivia Girl--The ire of fans upset with the open-ended finale?

white wings--I can't believe a doe would leave her fawn by the door of a
home! *shakes head*


white wings, DaddyCatALSO--Just started a book, Inheritance, about
a middle-age woman who takes a DNA test on a whim and finds outs her father was
not her father--can you imagine? *shakes head again*


Yay! Amystar!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed May 8 18:25:53 2019 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper Hungarian Horntail? SOurce?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 8 18:11:52 2019 71.199.128.40)
Trivia Girl,

Epiphany. He had screwed the pooch.

*g*

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed May 8 15:58:13 2019 165.225.38.67)
Trivia Girl: A Dragon! Possibly a fully grown Hungarian Horntail.

...And then a long, dreadfully boring career as some kind of bone detective or something.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed May 8 14:06:14 2019 199.127.148.10)
,Trivia Girl Pretty much, well, nearly everything, and not just the Nearly everything the Students were Wildly Indignant about



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed May 8 12:46:27 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for amystar!

yay amystar!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the best of sunnydale - available at your local bookstore

which was the best season of angel?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed May 8 12:42:52 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel face at the very end of the final episode of the show?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed May 8 12:21:11 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, May 8th 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Alex
chemistrygirl
Kalila
Kenickie
Lan
NTV Alex
VeeJay
weezergeek

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alex, chemistrygirl, Kalila, Kenickie
Lan, NTV Alex, VeeJay, weezergeekn



Tara: 'Your One-Stop Spot to Shop for Lots of New-Age and Occult Items.' Catchy. Giles: Think so? Tara: Uh huh. In a... hard to say sorta way. 'Shadow''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 8 12:12:26 2019 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 8 07:02:00 2019 71.199.128.40)
Yay Fenric!


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question



If you could re-cast one role on BTVS, major or minor, which would it be?


Not so much re-cast the actor, but replace the character with another. Raymond
O'Conner could have done so much more than play the loan shark in Tabula
Rasa
.


Night All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 8 05:12:08 2019 71.199.128.40)
Trivia Girl,

I wasn't so sure it was a trick question. Thought "BtVS" was a typo for "AtS".
I'm surprised notsoShyGirl didn't call you on it. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 8 04:19:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings Rain rain, go away, come again some other day.

It's been gray and drizzly here with some spots of...wait for it....snow!

Grrr arghh!



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white wings says:
(Wed May 8 03:23:14 2019 70.112.135.184)
*Looks in cautiously. No lightning in here.*

Yay fenric!

Happy Birthday DrGonzo, Kira, SuzSqueak, and VaBuffyFan!

I see that Trivia Girl is getting tricksy. Can't trust anyone these days. *g*

Agent Cooper - Who's counting IQ these days? It's nice to just be regular. ;-)

Christopher Marlowe - *waves*

It looks as though I'm in for another period of interesting weather. I haven't had as much rain as some - my brother in Houston said they just had the normal 5" rain - but there is thunder roaming around, and on the way home a bolt of lightning came down so close to the highway that I could practically see the edges sizzle, and I drove the rest of the way with my elbows tucked into my sides, not wanting to touch the doors. Anyway, I need to post and shut down.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 8 02:35:21 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed May 8 01:51:11 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the first episode of Buffy that Tim Minear wrote?
Answer: He didn't write any Buffy eps

Congrats to b]wolfguard[/b]!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 8 00:59:02 2019 67.158.25.23)
Wolfguard

You caught the trick question. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue May 7 20:53:38 2019 165.225.38.67)
Chris Marlowe: Been a crazy couple of days! I will dock myself one million Bronze Points for unexplained absence.

But on the plus side, the average IQ of the Bronze goes up 40 points when I don't post. So there's that.. :-)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue May 7 20:48:37 2019 165.225.38.67)
Trivia Girl: The one with the "Loan Shark" demon.

Actually, I hope not.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue May 7 17:53:36 2019 71.199.128.40)
Trivia Girl,

I don't think Tim Minear wrote a BtVS episode. He was all into AtS. Where's
notsoShyGirl? *g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue May 7 12:42:35 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the first episode of Buffy that Tim Minear wrote?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue May 7 12:20:37 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, May 7th 2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


DrGonzo
Kira
SuzSqueak
VaBuffyFan

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DrGonzo, Kira, SuzSqueak, VaBuffyFan



Mal: Inara, think you could stoop to being on my arm? Inara: Will you wash it first?
'Heart Of Gold'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue May 7 12:11:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay fenric!

deadguy qod

Oooh, good question. I think I would have recast Riley. Marc Blucas was good, but I think someone else would have brought something different to the role.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue May 7 11:20:04 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fenric

yay fenric!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

whedon central casting - we are down with the creepy

if you could re-cast one role on btvs, major or minor, which would it be?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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white wings says:
(Tue May 7 04:24:13 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - Except when the legislature is in session. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue May 7 03:29:17 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings I make up for it by putting my feet up during weeknights. *g*



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white wings says:
(Tue May 7 03:18:02 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay seniorslayer!

Happy Birthday ! The Host's Mom

lostinamerica - It's not where the deer give birth that perturbs me so much as where the predators leave the half-eaten fawns. But you know how the does park the fawns for hours at a time, and the fawns try to lie there as still as they possibly can? Well, one year a doe left her child in the corner of my house beside the front door. It was under a roof, and there were some planters beside it, but it was on hard pavement that gets hot in the afternoon. I actually walked right by it once without realizing it, but then I realized that one shape there was not like the others. I left it unmolested, but it was annoying. The does are welcome to leave their children behind the bushes along the house. It's soft ground, shaded, and what passes for cool around here, and I have the use of my house.

Fun to see a fox and a rabbit, but I share your apprehension that you may not be seeing the bunny again.

Christopher Marlowe - Don't you ever put your feet up? Or is that what the film festival was for. Yes, where is Agent Cooper? He may have to lose some points for this absence.

wolfguard - Re: rabbits The predators may be the most important factor. Look at what happened to Australia without serious predators for their introduced bunnies. They had harsh weather, periodic draughts, and I'm sure there were diseases. All they lacked was enough of a predator population.

DaddyCatALSO - At least you kind of broke the pattern of abuse. Yes, it must be hard to track people down in history when someone tries to erase them. If you had the means to search, marriage licenses or birth certificates might turn up that would leave a clue, but you'd have to find public records that your great grandmother couldn't have altered. If you had any idea where she had lived, local tax records or census records might give a clue, though if she were living under her married name, you wouldn't recognize her. That leaves DNA testing, and hoping some other branch of the family also was curious.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue May 7 02:01:38 2019 209.159.255.231)
I am still hereabouts!

*pokes* Agent Cooper



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue May 7 00:58:06 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Monday Pursuits

Category: Monday
Question: What band did the song
I Dont Like Mondays?
Answer: Boomtown rats

Trivia Bandleader: notsoShyGirl!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon May 6 18:26:43 2019 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica white wings One thing that relaly bollixes any search for roots on my part is that my paternal-paternal great grandmother not only reassumed her maiden name after divorcing my ancestor, she had her son's name changed to that surname, giving you an idea of how much of a jackass he must have been (like his son and grandson were after him. I made up my mind to break the pattern so inevitably I married a woman with a personality like theirs.)



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wolfguard says:
(Mon May 6 18:14:29 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Mon May 6 18:18:20 2019
Drive-By

Lostinamerica,


"...How Long Do Rabbits Live In The Wild?

The life expectancy of a wild rabbit is much shorter than our domestic pets.
In fact, a wild rabbit usually only lives for about a year.sometimes two.
Wild rabbits don't live very long because of a variety of different factors.
Disease, harsh winter conditions, lack of food and predators all influence
how long the rabbit will live.

Although it seems harsh, this is natures way of balancing the rabbit
population..."

https://www.trap-anything.com/how-long-do-rabbits-live.html


Anya is thumb's up on foxes.


*g*


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon May 6 13:01:11 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
The Boomtown Rats



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon May 6 12:35:22 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunndale's Monday Pursuits

Category: Monday
Question: What band did the song
I Dont Like Mondays?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon May 6 12:21:33 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, May 6th 2019 C.E.

We have ONE (1Birthdays!


The Host's Mom
Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to The Host's Mom



You want to meet the real me now? Mal, 'War Stories'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon May 6 12:09:17 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay seniorslayer!


Goodbye Blue Monday!

[b?wolfguard[/b] Busy, volunteered at two charity events on Saturday and attended a local film festival on Sunday.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon May 6 11:56:49 2019 73.58.128.92)
white wings--I imagine they hide in the woods to give birth :) Though I've
worried about the same thing, a deer giving birth on the back lawn :D

I saw a red fox and a rabbit this week for the first time in a couple years--this
doesn't bode well for seeing the rabbit in the future :(


Yay! seniorslayer!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon May 6 11:40:10 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for seniorslayer!

yay seniorslayer!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon May 6 06:41:40 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Uneventful. Read. Walked Watched Game of Thrones. Yourself?

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon May 6 05:22:58 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday BuffyBrazil, duffygirl, IBM, Peachy, Sapphire, and Yelowsub!

Good evening, Beta.

It hasn't rained in two days, so it got hot. The day after all the sound and fury there were no allergens in the air, but they made up for it today. Fortunately I have not yet become seriously bothered by grass pollens. These things take time. The does out on the golf course look very distended, and they don't look too interested in running. Soon there will be adorable fawns. I really hope that some young mother doesn't decide to park her kid right beside my front door. It's irritating to not be able to use the door.

Good night, Beta.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon May 6 02:42:04 2019 209.159.255.231)
I finally got around to listening
to 'Baby Shark' after seeing in on
my facebook feed so often.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon May 6 01:14:06 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good evening wolfguard How was your weekend?



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wolfguard says:
(Sun May 5 18:54:29 2019 71.199.128.40)
Good Afternoon Beta :)

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun May 5 15:14:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, May 5rh 2019 C.E.
Happy Cinco de Mayo!

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


BuffyBrazil
duffygirl
IBM
Peachy
Sapphire
Vincent Paul Kartheiser as Connor Angel
Yelowsub

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BuffyBrazil, duffygirl, IBM, Peachy, Sapphire, Vincent Paul Kartheiser, Yelowsub



I gave her everything... jewels, beautiful dresses -- with beautiful girls in them.
Spike, 'Lovers Walk''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun May 5 14:56:07 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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white wings says:
(Sat May 4 23:29:58 2019 70.112.135.184)
lostinamerica - No birds singing after Hugo? I guess a lot of them didn't survive, or perhaps they had the good instincts to evacuate ahead of it. That would have been eerie, though.

Genetics can be fascinating. You never know what's going to pop up, quite honestly.

...

Hmm, well, that was not the most satisfactory Derby ending.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 4 13:30:13 2019 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta! I got a long day ahead of me...see you tonight!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat May 4 11:28:27 2019 73.58.128.92)
DaddyCatALSO, white wings--I would always wonder about that side of my
family, if I resembled anyone else, shared any family traits, etc :(
Particularly since our youngest daughter isn't really built like me or my husband
but my grandmother on my mother's side.

It wouldn't ruin my life if I never found out, but I still would like to know--
genetics are a powerful thing.


white wings--After Hurricane Hugo went through Charlotte that's one thing
we noticed the next morning--no birds singing, just. . .silence :( It was
creepy!



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white wings says:
(Sat May 4 03:21:16 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - That's good. The birdies know. If they are tweeting, it's bound to be like a Disney scene, with flowers and butterflies. ;-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 4 03:08:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings Everything is alright now. The little birdies are going tweet tweet tweet these days. Something you don't quite hear in Middle EArth. ^g^



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white wings says:
(Sat May 4 02:54:01 2019 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - I didn't mean to imply that I wouldn't normally care about your safety. *g* I just wouldn't normally worry about it unless I knew of danger. What was going on outside was starting to remind me of the scenes in the Pass of Caradhras, or the rock giants in The Hobbit, and I suddenly had the feeling that all people should be safe and snug in their homes, not in the out of doors. It seems to be kind of noisy out even now.



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white wings says:
(Sat May 4 02:13:07 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay elreyn24!

Happy Birthday Aphrodesi, Carrots, Katiface, meow, MsChanson, Sunburst, and txyankee!


Wow, the gods have been fighting out there. Thunderbolts, rain so heavy it was hard to see through. There's still thunder roaming around outside, and unfortunately there were tornadoes and hail, but those were a long way from me.

DaddyCatALSO - Those are stories that would get one's attention. Tragic, but interesting.

Christopher Marlowe - After this evening, I'm glad to hear that anyone is home safely!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat May 4 01:43:00 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri May 3 20:39:19 2019 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica white wings I found it not much except interesting when I found out that my aunt was actually my father's *half*-sister. It became a bit more involving when my aunt told me her bootlegger father was gunned down right in front of my grandmother when my aunt was on the way.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri May 3 12:30:56 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, May 3rd
2019 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Aphrodesia
Carrots
Katiface
meow
MsChanson
Sunburst
txyankee

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Aphrodesia. Carrots.
Katiface. meow. MsChanson.
Sunburst. txyankee



I believe that's my hey. Hey!
Xander, 'Who Are You?'.


to be added to the birthday list,
please email
oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri May 3 12:17:18 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay elreyn24!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri May 3 11:25:14 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for elreyn24!

yay elreyn24!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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white wings says:
(Fri May 3 05:43:46 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Thoin!

Happy Birthday Animalistic, English Gurl, Pam, and Shan!


lostinamerica - I admit that it would strike closer to home to learn that one's immediate family had more history than one knew about.

Agent Cooper - Oh, he meant it at the time, although I don't think he posted the parable on the Bronze. But he may mean this later post now, or at least the tone of it. So perhaps he's trying a little revision. It's possible that he decided that his attitude at the time was a little jaundiced, and the actions of others viewed with hindsight and more experience might be interpreted differently than he was doing back then. Or he, ah, evolved. We were and are only onlookers, so we'll never know.

I doubt that missing keys were customary in WH transitions. At least not computer keys. Maybe typewriter keys? I think the Clinton staff viewed themselves as the cool kids who were going to modernize the office. Eight years later, their stuff was probably all outdated. In gubmint, you get money once for stuff, but money for replacements comes harder. We're doing a bit better now where I am because of all the scares about hacking and security, and encryption, and the software moves so fast that you need to keep hardware up to date to run it. Even with that, we are only converting to Win 10 because Win 7 is going off maintenance. But that's still better than some periods in the past. It's times like this that I adore working on an IBM mainframe. Viruses don't happen there. Sabotage, data theft with proper access, sure. I mean it could, if you have an Edward Snowden. But not icky viruses. But I have digressed. *g*

wolfguard - I may have loathed Clinton, but "It's the economy, stupid" will live forever. Reagan's "Are you better off now than you were?" came first, and was gentler. "MAGA" certainly has a huge economic component. But it's still the economy, stupid. *g*

It's true, political propaganda takes on a life like the Hansel and Gretel demon. OB Buffy

I haven't heard of confirmed spies being planted in the Trump campaign. The Strzok-Page texts suggested looking for people to turn. I wouldn't be shocked out of ten years growth to hear that it had happened, as it would be an elementary thing to think of. I don't know if it would even be illegal unless they signed NDAs. It would be easier than shenanigans with wiretapping, unmasking, or fake offers of help, but it would not have been something that could be spoken of to produce bad publicity. But no one has named names.

It is looking more and more as though the offers of Russian help came from people planted by the intelligence agencies or the DNC (since the Russian in the Trump tower meeting apparently met with Fusion GPS before and after the meeting), which was why Mueller could (allegedly) say with certainty that all such offers were refused. I don't know if all of the approaches were plants. I should read what has been released of the Mueller report, but haven't been able to force myself. But approaches from people in bars are not the same as people successfully embedded.

Maverick - We were wondering about you. Thanks for the news about the comics.



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Comma says:
(Fri May 3 03:28:22 2019 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Fri May 3 03:42:09 2019
ChristopherMarlowe: I was in the Nashville Channel 5 studios, I think in 1989 or 1990, being part of a Red Cross commercial, and he was in the studio doing the local noonish show. I pasted him, in the hallway, and had no idea, until someone told me, who he was.

I have never been a person that cares about celebrities. While I had my 'hometown' friends in the musical industry, I never saw them as being different. They were just friends with talent. So none of my money has ever been spent, just to meet a celebrity, and I doubt if it ever will.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri May 3 02:31:41 2019 209.159.255.231)
Comma I did not have the
good fortune to meet the man, but
many sure did!



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Comma says:
(Fri May 3 01:44:16 2019 75.143.154.113)
R.I.P. Peter Mayhew. Goodbye to Chewbacca.

Comma



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri May 3 01:08:25 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the
Aztec warrior demon in The
Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco?
Answer: What notsosoShyGirl said.
*g*



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Maverick says:
(Fri May 3 00:39:36 2019 68.51.139.52)
Sorry, have been very busy with personal stuff. I just wondered if you had been paying attention to new Buffy and now Angel Comic Books. Here's the announcement of Angel #1 (subsequent to Buffy #4).


Maverick


Noella Choi's sequencing of Chris Beck's theme from Buffy episodes "Sacrifice" and "The Gift"




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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 2 17:43:35 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Thu May 2 17:47:30 2019
Agent Cooper,

Few people have the interest or resources to track back everything they
learn or believe. We literally take most information as given as, if not
true, probably useful.1 For instance, checking current traffic
conditions before venturing out on some errands.

This leads to my first question. Your first claim ...

"...you plant spies in the opposing parties campaign,..."

Can you cite or link me your source(s) for this? I've long had an interest
in how "findings" track back through analysis and collection. A non-partisan
example ...

Back in the mid-1800's a school teacher was walking home from lunch. His
family could see him crossing the field in front of the cabin when he
suddenly disappeared - *poof*. They ran towards where he was last seen
thinking he might had fallen into the grass and been hurt. He was no where
to be seen. Then they thought they heard him calling out for help. Voice
seem to come from underground. They got help from neighbors and folks dug a
pit into the ground where the voice had been heard. Never found him.


Now I've come across this story in several sources over the last 50 years.
They are very specific in terms of names, place, and date (I just don't
remember them now). If it weren't for the strange disappearance, the story
would come across as a daily news story forgotten in a week or two....

Example: DATELINE: Smyrna, Kentucky March 20, 1974. While walking home from
the the Logan School House, John Doe was struck by lightning. He survived,
but his right arm had to be amputated.


Anyway, this story of a strange disappearance has been making the rounds for
years, perhaps because of the all the ordinary detail provided in the story.
As a young person I took it as true and mysterious and neat - and went on
with life. One researcher or journalist actually asked - Where did this
story start? Since there were details about the person, time, and place, the
researcher was able to go back and check county records, newspaper archives,
etc. There was no record of the event every happening. It was just a
fascinating fiction dressed in the ordinary to disguise it as real. And the
story spread for decades.


ETA Forgot the footnote. 1 Similar to the saying, "All models are
wrong. Some (models) are useful."


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu May 2 14:07:00 2019 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Tezcatcatl



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu May 2 13:54:19 2019 165.225.38.81)
White Wings: Actually, when I read that statement from Jeff, (if it is Jeff) it does kinda sound like a walk-back.

Because the parable he posted didn't really pull many punches. And I don't remember ever seeing him post anything afterwards apologizing, or saying he didn't mean to post the story. And it is posted under his posting name, AFAIK so it rings a little hollow to say he didn't mean to have it on the web. :-/

Wolfguard/White Wings: I've read that a little friendly hijinks between the staff of incoming and outgoing presidential staff used to be fairly common. Harmless stuff like the keyboard keys, hiding all the paperclips etc.

Of course nowadays, instead of office pranks, you plant spies in the opposing parties campaign, make up falsely incriminating dossiers and use shadily obtained fisa warrants orchestrate a de facto coup via loyal staff embedded in the DOJ and FBI, aided by a heavily partisan national media.

Hah. Those crazy kids these days!~



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu May 2 12:56:25 2019 73.58.128.92)
white wings--Martin idolized his grandmother, so I don't know if it
changed how he felt about her. For me, it wouldn't bother me to find out one
of my grandmothers strayed--people are people. What would is finding out at such
a late date that I'm not a full sister to my sibling. Family is what you make it,
but that would throw me for a loop. And I would wonder about that side of my
family, one I will never discover since that grandmother is dead and can never
tell me who the man was. I should say never discover unless a member of that
family put a DNA sample out there and a match was made ;)

cc Agent Cooper


Happy Birthday Shan!


Belated Yay! Thoin!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu May 2 12:34:04 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the Aztec warrior demon in The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu May 2 12:20:59 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, May 2nd 2019 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Animalistic
English Gurl
Pam
Shan

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Animalistic, English Gurl, Pam, Shan



I walk. I talk. I shop, I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out. And I don't sleep on a bed of bones. Buffy, 'Restless''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu May 2 12:15:07 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay thoin!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu May 2 11:29:16 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for thoin!

yay thoin!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 2 06:02:49 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe & White Wings,

The President of the United States is the leader of the country, more
specifically he or she is the chief executive officer overseeing the
executive branch of the federal government. For a minute, imagine a
president who enters office with no agenda representing his personal vision
of where the country should go and how it should get there. This president
'simply' wants to take the existing laws and programs and act to see them
accomplish their stated ends.

She would sit down with her cabinet secretaries and go over each one's
programs. Where are you now? Where do you want to go? What are the
opportunities and threats? What are the constraints? Do the programs match
our overall goals? How do they interact with the other departments? Once
this is sorted out you begin implementing it, monitoring as you go along.
1

I imagine the only way such a self-effacing president would come to power
would be following an assassination of a president who had a very loyal
vice-president.

Most people who run for president have strong beliefs about where the
country should go. Somewhere during the primaries or general election
they'll probably translate some of those beliefs into policies and programs
that they would work to achieve if they become president.2 If
they win, then as well as sitting down with the cabinet secretaries and
reviewing existing laws and programs, the president would be sitting down
with his party's members in Congress and figuring out how to write
legislation that would achieve said goals and how to pass the legislation
through Congress.

All this leads to the scoobies.

(1) What's their vision for the US?

(2) How would that vision look like if achieved?

(3) What pathways lead from the vision to the reality?

(4) How does government action, including legislation, create those
pathways?

(5) How do you pass the legislation?

(6) How do you implement passed legislation?


No one person or group has the expertise to do the above alone. So perhaps a
key skill is how to recruit and manage experts. The other key skill is
communicating, bonding, and shared learning with the electorate. Do the
scoobies have these skills?

(Note: For brevity, *g*, I've left out foreign policy)


1 The same approach might be used with the governors of the
states.

2 "Hope and Change" - "Make America Great Again"

What was Clinton's? It's the economy, stupid (?)




WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 2 05:13:49 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Thu May 2 05:33:31 2019
White Wings,

I recall hearing about the missing keyboard letters. *g* Beyond that, one of
the folks talking about participating in a transition into the WH was
surprised at the age of some of the office software, such as the MS
operating system running on the machines. Government offices are not always
as sophisticated as Hollywood imagines. OTOH, I do once recall an high-rise
office building whose lobby was used in an action-adventure movie. This
building actually had, for the time, a very sophisticated security system.
Star Trek-like. *g* Unfortunately, either the building didn't want it shown
or how the director wanted to frame the shot didn't allow it, so they pasted
and sketched a ~security console~ on a faux marble wall. I watched the guy
who 'painted' the marble. A few deft strokes with a brush. It was
astonishing.

Anyway, once upon a time a desk officer sat at a desk with a few phones. *g*


ETA I once had reason to visit a company's overnight coordinating center.
The way it was talked, thought it would be teeming with people walking on
split levels with a large wall map and mini-computers (early 80's). What I
found was two people sharing a desk and a phone. *g* And then again, who
needs an office? I read or listened to a guy who started a small boutique
investment firm with a few of his friends. Their "do-list" to get started
included, (1) buy Blackberries (back in that day) and (2) rent office space.
They got the Blackberries but six months in hadn't gotten around to getting
office space - didn't need it.


WG



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white wings says:
(Thu May 2 04:22:52 2019 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Fri May 3 05:46:38 2019
Happy Birthday Kugelmass, Mabb, and vampchica!

Agent Cooper - I was around for the debacle with Sophia Crawford and Jeff Pruitt. That was a lot less fun than the intra-board squabbles. But I wasn't on the board or paying attention to personnel until S4. My recollection of what was said is that Jeff Pruitt was not the stunt director until S2, and I don't recall if Sophia was doubling for Buffy in S1 or not. I believe Jeff was critical of the quality of the fights in S1. After the purge, they used two stunt doubles for Buffy, as wolfguard also remembers.

That statement you found sounds like Jeff might have written it, but it reads like "This is how I want to remember it, and I want to demonstrate that I'm a team player." He's moving on, and maybe his memories now include truths not evident in his posting then. As it went down he was bitter and angry, and frankly he sounded seriously burned out. People who are burned out are frequently not completely rational until there has been some time and distance from the triggering situation. Or maybe a number of people were behaving badly and no one now sees any reason to pursue that. There were messy emotions.

Ah, the cinematographer(?) for GoT was in the news, defending the dark scenes. He used basically the argument that he wanted the viewer to feel the confusion. But then he said that maybe the HBO compression in the delivery might have caused further obscurity, or poor quality of streaming might have done so. I don't believe that the production can possibly take into account every possible method of receiving the signal, but they might have kept in mind the main method of delivery, i.e. HBO over cable, rather than what they were seeing on high quality equipment in the studio. Hmph. Keeping in mind that my feelings are borne of BTVS viewing, not GoT, since I didn't see that. *g*

wolfguard - I seem to remember that the outgoing Clinton staff were openly gleeful about having removed caps from keyboards and hiding them around the offices, and similar "pranks" that took some time for the incoming staff to correct so they could work. I can remember people thinking it was a cool thing. But it was 18-19 years ago and both subsequent administrations seem to have matured, at least with respect to office automation. Of course Obama didn't need to be so petty. He had a dossier-in-waiting. *g*

Buffy might have managed some of the politics. "I'm fairly sure I said" - sword vibrates in the wall. It might be hard on the formal decor, though.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 2 03:21:27 2019 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu May 2 03:23:55 2019
Christopher Marlowe,

"Run"? As in ...

(1) Service Staff who clean, feed, maintain, and perform all the services
needed to keep the WH working as a home for the president & family? No they
could not.

(2) Administration

Sure, though they might not do a good job at it. *g* I've listened to
several people who have served in the White House who experienced the shock
of moving in and setting up after an election has seated a new president.
There appears to be no official system for making the transition.
1

George W. Bush's folks said when they came into the White House it had been
trashed by the outgoing Clinton staff (not the residential areas, but the
work areas). Bush's folks put together a system to ease in the Obama folks.
Obama apparently did they same for Trump's folks, but I don't know if the
latter took them up on it.

So, I imagine the scoobies - having run a worldwide network of slayers -
could sort out the transition; however, I don't know if they could do the
politics and policy thing. But more on this later tonight. *g*


1 There may be traditions and I've heard of one person(s) who
have tried to provide a guide book on how to do it for any incoming
president that wants to use it. The WH service staff has to move out the old
president and move in the new one during the hours all of them are away at
the inauguration.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu May 2 02:47:49 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Could the scoobies
run the White House?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu May 2 01:52:20 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

If you want, I can provide you with the link to "The Knight's Parable" and
Joss' post in reply the Bronze.

As I remember, Jeff hoped Sophia might continue working on the show. While I
don't know the specifics of how she left, I do remember around late summer or
early fall of 2000, Joss talking about adding a couple stunt doubles for SMG.
I recall them especially wanting someone who could do gymnastic stunts. If you
recall the teaser of The Real Me (5.2), it opens with Buffy doing a
hand stand on some sort of table and transitioning to a one hand stand. That
was probably the gymnastics stunt double.

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu May 2 01:17:09 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What role did Charisma
Carpenter initially audition for on
Buffy?
Answer: Buffy

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed May 1 19:33:05 2019 165.225.38.81)
A quick google search got me this on Reddit.

Vague Disclaimer: Obviously, I have now idea if this is really Jeff writing. But for what it's worth:

FROM THE REDDIT POST- "I am JEFF PRUITT. And I can tell you that none of this is accurate in the least. I never once "dressed Sarah down" or yelled at anyone. David Fury and I always got along great and we were never mad at each other on the Bronze forum. He was just worried about me and wanted me to talk offline about it with someone from the show. Which I appreciated. But at no time have we ever been mad at each other and he's always been supportive.

My leaving the show had nothing to do with work at all. It was something personal that had to do with someone I trusted. All of this was away from the show and part of our personal lives. And for the record, both Sophia Crawford and I were asked to return to the show and we both refused.

The Parable thing was never meant to be seen on the Internet at all. A mutual friend of Sarah and myself stopped by my house and suggested that I tell our friends why I was leaving. So we came up with the idea of using no names but making a goofy little story that only my friends would understand. It was supposed to be private. It was meant to be seen by only a handful of people. That's all. Unfortunately, someone copied it and it wound up being placed on the net and misinterpreted and changed by strangers.

And who the hell made up the story about Fox and hit men? I've never heard that one (and I've heard a lot of made up b.s. since leaving the show). The Internet is a strange and cruel place at times.

Sophia and I loved making the show and if anyone is interested in seeing my personal behind-the-scenes video of our fight scenes and stunts from BUFFY then please visit my YouTube channel. Since so many years have passed and the show has long been out of production I've put plenty of stuff up for the fans to enjoy anytime they wish.

Thanks for supporting all the work that went into making the series.

All the Best,

Jeff Pruitt (Stunt Coordinator/Fight Choreographer/Second Unit Director for BUFFY: THE VAMPIRE SLAYER) "



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed May 1 19:28:04 2019 165.225.38.81)
Wolfguard: Oh yeah, that's right.

Memory jogged. A little anyway.

Jeff left first, but Sophia didn't quit right away, but soon after. I had that backward.

I vaguely remember the story about the knight and the king and the princess, etc, which was a thinly veiled criticism of the way things were being run on the show, or something close to that. The knight was Jeff, the king was Joss and the Princess was SMG, presumably.

Something about how the knight was loyal to the king no matter how much the princess tried to influence the court against him, etc. But the princess and her "evil" group in the court finally won out and forced the loyal knight out of the kingdom. Or something close to that.

But I don't remember Joss ever answering on the Bronze though. Have to google that.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 18:04:11 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

The stunt director was Jeff Pruitt. He often visited the original Bronze and
was very supportive of it and the Bronze. Unfortunately, he perceived
problems with SMG which lead to him leaving the show. Sophia Crawford, his
wife, was SMG's stunt double in seasons 1-4. At the time he left, he thought
Sophia might still remain on the show, but she did not.

Also after he departed, he wrote and posted "The Knight's Parable", a thinly
disguised story of what had happened between him and BTVS that lead to his
departure (as he saw it). Within days of Jeff's posting, Joss posted on the
Bronze how he saw the situation. The post was serious in tone, perhaps a bit
of regret that the tensions of putting on a show can sometimes lead to
conflicts. There was no Joss humor.

If you're interested in reading the "Parable" google, "Jeff parable of the
knight". Joss' response is probably still out there, perhaps even can be
found by clicking on the "Joss Speaks" link on this board.

My take was I wasn't there. The only two people who were there that I have
heard (read) speak on it were Jeff and Joss and they differ on what
happened.



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed May 1 14:06:50 2019 199.127.148.10)
Christopher Marlowe Thank you!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed May 1 13:51:26 2019 165.225.38.81)
White Wings: They probably dimmed the fight scenes a little so it was less noticeable that Buffy had a stunt double. But I'm guessing.

Although, IIRC the stunt double for Buffy was pretty close in appearance to SMG.

The first one anyway, but she had some arguments with Joss and the producers and left the show. Afterwards her husband (I think?) who was also the stunt director (I think?) posted a lenghty rant about the situation here. And I think he specifically criticized the quality of the fight scenes in said rant. (But it was a long time ago and I may not be remembering correctly.)

It was very high drama at the time.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed May 1 13:11:02 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Buffy



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed May 1 12:26:19 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What role did Charisma Carpenter initially audition for on Buffy?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed May 1 12:03:36 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, May 1st 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Bailey Chase as Graham Miller
Julie Benz as Darla
Kugelmass
Mabb
vampchica

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Baily Chase, Julie Benz, Kugelmass, Mabb, vampchica



Kaylee: Can I? Zoe: Sure. He's out, though. Kaylee: He did this for me, once.

'Safe''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 1 11:44:59 2019 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Wed May 1 11:48:06 2019
Good morning beta!

belated yay to greeneyes!

deadguy qod

I don't think there are any little scoobies around, but DaddyCatALSO does great fic with writing about the kids of scoobies.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 06:32:37 2019 71.199.128.40)
Yay Greeneyes!


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question



It's been sixteen years since the scoobies were last seen... are there any
little scoobies running around? are any of them slayers?


Yes. No.



Night All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 05:53:10 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

Juan Guaid heads the National Assembly (I'm not sure the title). Back in
January he declared himself the official leader/president of Venezuela.
Several western countries recognized him, including the US. Columbia
recognizes him. Russia and Mexico recognized Maduro, as I believe did Iran
and China. Perhaps the majority of Venezuelans support Guaido, but most of
the military general officers remained loyal to Maduro.

Maduro will leave or try to leave the country when he perceives he's lost
the backing of the general officers. Technically this wouldn't be a
coup1, but a rebellion that was able to persuade the armed forces
to join them.


1 In a coup, the opposition manages to place their people in key
positions long enough to oust the existing PTB and persuade the citizens to
accept them as the new PTB. In theory and practice coups do not work in
long-running democracies or simple polities. What needs to exist is a more-
or-less functional government bureaucracy that the citizens accept as being
more-or-less legitimate. Citizens basically do whatever government officials
tell them to do, so long as the folks giving the orders are holding official
positions. In such countries most citizens stay out of politics, including
government workers. No sticks their head out. If there's unusual political
activity most folks will take a wait-and-see attitude, not choosing sides,
especially if they don't know exactly what's going on and who the players
are. In Venezuela people know the sides and the question is who might change
sides, when and why.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 1 04:12:01 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard What I gather is
that opposition Guairdo attempted?
an coup to oust Maduro, who still
appears to have the support of the
military. I had thought the US
backs Guairdo as the legitimate
president.



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white wings says:
(Wed May 1 03:49:34 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay greeneyes!

Happy Birthday Comma, Kali56, and Malachi!

wolfguard, Agent Cooper - If the darkness of scenes, whether GoT or BtVS/Angel is supposed to let the viewer sense how confused the battle is, I think the concept fails. They might as well just play a dark screen and have a few sounds, and save themselves the trouble of paying actors. Some tolerant folks such as yourselves will rationalize it, others behind the fourth wall will just squint at the screen and get more and more irritated instead of appreciating the situation of the characters, and possibly conclude that the show is doing a bad job of showing anything. It's worth remembering that one condition of paying for a fifth season of AtS was that the show be lighter, and I don't think they meant the emotions. So say I. *g*

wolfguard - With 16 years of hindsight, your predictions for the end of BtVS seem like the only way things could have gone. At the time, and remembering how tricksy Joss liked to be, good work! About the time of End of Days, I might have been focusing on other scenes. You'd never guess which ones, though. *cough*

Agent Cooper - The lighting was awful the first season of Buffy, but they were using cheap film and cheap everything. I think it was midway through S2 when they were allowed to switch to more expensive film. Remember how the filters would be all light whenever the camera was on Buffy, and then get dark when they switched to Angel, in the same scene? Very meaningful. *g* But night fight scenes always tended to be very dark. I was able to see once I altered my TV, but if you had a set without brightness control, you were stuck. People complained on the Bronze when the writers were posting, and they'd always say "Really? I wasn't aware " but nothing changed.

Ebdim9th - I shudder at the thought of dealing with school and work. That requires more stamina than I'd want to spend. I salute you.

lostinamerica - It seems to me that as an adult, one has to accept that people will be people. I find I've gotten a lot more flexible as I age. It's a good thing, too, because the more I age, the more I learn that a whole lot of people were, ah, more adventurous than people cared to speak of. Or perhaps they were just like us.

DaddyCatALSO - I think it was Agent Cooper who answered you instead of wolfguard in error about GoT books. No matter, the question was answered. ;-)

Comma - It's comforting to know that if vampires try to take over, they won't have the advantage of vision. Since I didn't actually watch GoT, I can only speak to my reactions to BtVS dark scenes and extrapolate, but I'm glad that you could relate to the battles and appreciate them. Nevertheless, I come down on the side of wanting to know what was happening.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 03:34:43 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

What did you learn and how do assess it?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 1 01:55:39 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Glad you are hereabouts! I was just reading about the situation (to say the least) in Venezuela.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed May 1 01:50:07 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Jinx and Dreg were servants of whom on Buffy?
Answer: Glory

Trivia master: notosShyGirl!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 01:43:18 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Hereabouts. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed May 1 01:35:35 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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Comma says:
(Wed May 1 01:21:26 2019 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Wed May 1 01:26:23 2019
Wolfguard: Very true. I have a 'Starlight' scope and am surprised how really bad it is. I also have a civilian set of modern night glasses. I can id persons in the night with those. I also have a set of modern night devices. I can read, in the dark, with those.

Comma

PS: The first two I own. The modern set stays at the office. CC



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wolfguard says:
(Wed May 1 00:57:35 2019 4.28.180.2)
Once upon a time when didn't own the night.

WG



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Comma says:
(Wed May 1 00:15:27 2019 75.143.154.113)
The last two episodes, of Game of Thrones, has been perfect. Season 8,Ep 2, gave us the hours before the battle. Every soldier acts somewhat differently to the upcoming engagement. Myself, when I wasn't in charge, I slept like a baby. When I was in charge, I just checked in with my troops to make sure that their minds were in the right place. There were times that I had to settle down the officers that were in charge. Depending on when and where, there was those, enlisted and Commissioned, calling on a higher power, and those asking a higher power to forgive them for their life's mistakes, those that turned to the bottle, those who looked for other human company, and those who wanted to be alone. One officer, who could not eat onions without dire stomach problems, would eat hamburgers, complete with a big onion chunk, the hours before combat. He was made the forward observer at least two times.

As far as Ep3 went, combat is dark. Even in the middle of the day, dirt flying in the air, smoke, from artillery, armor fire and things on fire, blinds you. Rain, fog, and natural blowing grit blinds one also. Other things will also get in your eyes.

The big advantage of the US Military, we own the night. In Game of Thrones, the 'alive warriors, did not own the night.

Comma



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Apr 30 18:27:20 2019 199.127.148.6|199.127.148.4)
white wings wolfguard was asking about GoT books, I definitely wasn't.

Agent Cooper Yes, it had lots of good story idea, but the constant screaming fights between him and his boss got very old very quickly, as did Kolchak's generally abrasive attitude towards essentially everybody on screen.
That a nd Planet of the Apes both premiered that year and failed at the same time. One of the nearby cities in their TV supplememnt had a cover of Kolchak, Galen the chimp, Sonny Bono, and Ronny Cox in his George Apple jacket running away crouched over forma broom being wielded by Cher, whose solo show came on midseason.
I've never been able to find out for sure, but I still think Apple's Way was the first mid-season replacement to be picked up the following fall then cancelled at mid-season



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Apr 30 17:22:34 2019 165.225.38.81)
Lostinamerica: I hadn't heard that. Interesting.

I dunno, I guess it depends on how important these things are to you. I'm guessing he had a really close relationship with his grandparents? That kind of info could be jarring in that case. Sometimes people tend to put folks they admire on a pedastal, especially parents and grandparents. But people are people and that stuff happens.

As for the DNA tests, I don't get the fascination. My wife is big on ancestry and heritage and all that, but I'm kind of like whatever.

I get why she's interested, and why people are taken with the idea of finding out where they came from and such.

But I'm just...not. It's just kinda silly to me.

I didn't know anybody in my family past my great-grand mother. They are all strangers to me from there on. I don't really have a burning desire to know who my great great great grand uncle was. And I CERTAINLY don't want to find out I'm going to die from some horrible genetic flaw in genes. No thanks!

All those things are really teaching us is that we're all very much mongrels, everybody's genes are mixed up with everybody else's at this point and nobody is purebred anything anymore. So it's meaningless to claim to be Italian or African or Hispanic, or anything else. Human Mutt is the probably most fitting for us all.

I mean, just look what happened to that congress person who kept claiming to be an American Indian all that time. :-)



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Ebdim9th says:
(Tue Apr 30 17:15:49 2019 174.235.148.34)
Edited: Tue Apr 30 17:20:25 2019
Greetinz back white wings and Christopher Marlowe! It's been mostly work and school but still time to catch up on Game of Thrones, the Marvel and DC extended universes, Supernatural, Xena, and a few other things. I see black spots below, gonna have to go spoiler-spelunking.



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 30 16:19:46 2019 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--Did you see the Finding Your Roots episode with
George Martin? Poor guy was looking to find his Italian grandfather who had left
his grandmother and he discovers he's not Italian on his grandfather's side but
Jewish--apparently Grandma had a little somethin' somethin' on the side :(

Stories like these make me reconsider the use of DNA to find your ancestry--what
a terrible thing to find out as an adult :(



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Apr 30 15:56:57 2019 165.225.38.81)
Daddycat: I think Kolchak was awesome. It was just ahead of it's time. The supernatural themes popular today just weren't as much in the public consciousness at the time is was airing. I think the show was seen as more of a novelty for the era it was shown in.

I think it would be great to see a remake, but it's probably too late for that. Vampires and witches were a "new" thing and really big a few years ago, but now it's all superheroes.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Apr 30 15:51:44 2019 165.225.38.81)
Wolfguard: I wondered aloud to Mrs Cooper how they were going to top that ep now. She reminded me that
The good guys just possibly lost a dragon and probably about 3/4s of the army, and Cersei was still waiting down south with most of the Ironbordn and 20,000 mercenaries. Also, still lots of important characters left to kill. So there's that. Heh.


White Wings: Several of my coworkers complained about the visual darkness of the ep, and how it was hard to see what was going on. However, I personally think that was intentional and it actually added to the tension of the battle. You could barely see at times and it was all very confused, but that's what the characters were going through and so the viewer experienced it along with them. So I think it was necessary and right to film it that way. It really added to the value of making things uncertain and scary.

As for Buffy, the first season lighting is AWFUL. It looks like it's filmed totally with natural light on bad film, so comes out very dark, almost sepia toned to me. The later seasons have sets that are properly lighted and look alot better, probably because they had a bit more budget by then, although I think they still tried to go with a natural light feel in the series and alot of people don't like that these days, understandably. We're used to perfectly lighted sets nowadays I guess.

Daddycat: Yes, I read all the GOT books before I started watching the TV series. And yes, the series is awesome but as always, the books are even better. The series has now overtaken the books and it looks like Martin will NEVER finish the last book, although he's been working on it for like 87 years or something. :-)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Apr 30 14:15:04 2019 199.127.148.4)
Deadguy Memorila Quod I like to think they have children, but I doubt any have aged in th e rnage for being calld


Agent Cooper white wings wolfguard I'm convinced that one of the reasons Kolchak: the Night Stalker was cancelled was the truly hideously ba d photography in the night-for -night scenes



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Apr 30 13:15:10 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Glory



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 30 12:07:31 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Jinx and Dreg were servants of whom on Buffy?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Apr 30 11:58:48 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greeneyes

yay greeneyes!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale procreation center - we need to replace are losses

it's been sixteen years since the scoobies were last seen... are there any little scoobies running around? are any of them slayers?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Apr 30 11:47:22 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, April 30th 2019 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Comma
Kali56
Malachi

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Comma, Kali56, Malachi



Ah, the pitter patter of tiny feet in huge combat boots. Shut up! Mal, 'War Stories'''

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 30 05:23:45 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Tue Apr 30 18:31:13 2019
Christopher Marlowe,

I tried the first book in the series. You may know this, but if not, each
chapter is told from a single character's point-of-view. I think Martin
holds to this structure through the entire series. One could choose just to
read the chapters devoted to this or that character and ignore the rest.
Which I was starting to do, so I stopped reading the book. Have you read
them?


White Wings,

We may have read the same critic. I've also read fans complaining it was
hard to see and follow what was happening. A few others thought the battle
or parts of the battle were too long. In the writers' defense, they were
trying to impart the feeling of chaos and confusion of close-quarters combat
in the dark ("The night is dark and (surely) full of terrors"). A friend of
mine said the story needs editing (her favorite film insult).

As to predictions well-made. A few days before the original airing of End
of Days
, BTVS 7.21, I posted, ~ Faith leads and fails. Buffy pulls the
stake from the stone. All bow before Buffy. ~ Another bronze replied, ~~ I
don't know what you know, but that's eerily close. ~~ *g*

ETA Prediction made before Touched. I merge the two episodes, because
the predicted storyline begins at the end of Touched and starts right
up in the teaser of End of Days.

Touched last scene, last image - Faith opens box, sees the bomb,
~Run!!! or ~ Get down!!! I believe the second to last scene shows Buffy
eyeing the scythe in the stone, but she doesn't pull it out till the teaser
of End of Days (Caleb is telling/taunting her that so many men and
machines had tried to pull it out and she just shouldn't ... And Buffy,
without effort, withdraws it). When I posted about Buffy pulling the sword
out of the stone I was being all metaphory. Not Joss.

The FIRST/BUFFY
(to Buffy)
Faith goes boom.




WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Apr 30 03:50:37 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay greengirl!

Happy Birthday Gunther, Wiggins, Comma. Kali56, and Malachi!

Agent Cooper - My father used to tell me gravely that the ability to share food was the mark of civilized behavior - just as he was stealing my French fries. *g* On the other hand, you don't want your kid to turn hangry and start gnawing on your leg. ;-)

I have no solace for the carrot cake.

Agent Cooper, wolfguard - I saw somewhere that people were complaining of the darkness of the episode the visual darkness, not the plot. The comments took me back to when people were complaining about the lighting on the BtVS sets, and they never got better. On the other hand, the brightness settings on the TVs did seem to get better. Did you notice anything like that?

wolfguard - Re: your predictions. Don't you love it when your plans (mostly) come together?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 30 03:20:15 2019 73.58.128.92)
Yay! greengirl!


Happy Birthday Comma!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 30 01:57:47 2019 107.77.173.3)
Agent cooper, wolfguard

Do either ofcyou read the books?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 30 01:10:33 2019 209.159.255.231)
oh man, spoiler font takes me
back!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Art
Question: What city would you
find the Museum of Bad Art?

Answer: Sommerville, MA

As usual, notsoShyGirl is Right!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 30 00:37:55 2019 209.159.255.231)
Home!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 29 23:55:36 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Spoiler Game of Thrones, "The Long Night", (8.3)

((My predictions with comments

The first three are related:

1 - The White Walkers would be completely defeated in this episode...
2 - When the Night King was slayed...
3 - By Arya Stark of Winterfell. *g*

There's only three more episodes and too much story to resolve not to end
the Night King uber-series arc. It had been established if the Night King
was vanquished, then all his minions would cease to exist. Bran's reason for
being in the weirwood park was to draw the Night King to him. The question
was once the Night King stepped into Bran's trap, then who would strike him
down and with what? Ayra was trained as an assassin.

If the story had reflected military reality, then Ayra would have been
positioned in a hide from where she could strike. But, this is an action-
adventure series and fans like to be thrilled, chilled, and surprised so
Ayra's in-episode story were written for that effect (Besides, as Bran would
say, ~ This was how it was meant to be.

Prediction 4: Sansa would survive.
Prediction 5: Tyrion would survive.

(Stories tied up with Cersei and Westero's fate)
))

Break in the Black

((
The above are the ones I got right. My failed predictions ...

Prediction 6: Jon would die.
(His entire story had been about fighting the White Walkers. So when their
story ended, his story had a good chance of ending and with so many fans
believing a high blood price needed to be paid for the victory, Jon dies. In
fact, when he went chasing on foot after the Night King, thought I might be
wrong about my Ayra prediction.

Anyway, looks like the revelation of his true identity shielded him.

Prediction 7: Either Brienne or Jamie would die. Based this on the presumed
need for a a high blood price for the victory.

Prediction 8: No more dragons. Much of Dany's battle successes lie with the
dragons. If you really wanted to test Dany's mettle, then take away her
dragons. Well, two gone.


"The Long Night" was around 1:42 in length. I've read at least one reviewer
/ critic who shares your view that the Night King was the existential
threat. We have to stop squabbling among ourselves and get together to
defeat death! Well, death was defeated so let's get back to fighting over
the Iron Throne. Even the trailer for episode 4 speaks to this with Dany
saying to the gathering, ~We've won the Great War. Now we must win the last
war. The same reviewer also noted the producers were certainly aware of the
potential for the rest being anti-climatic. We'll have to wait and see how
they handle it.
))



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 29 22:39:23 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Read. Composing reply. *g*

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 29 18:43:52 2019 165.225.38.81)
I have such a craving for Carrot Cake right now.

My aunt had this really delicious carrot cake at Easter dinner. But I only got one bite, and then my son comes bouncing up on my lap and eats the rest. Then I got another piece, but....he ate that too!

I swear that kid can put it away sometimes. He barely eats anything for a couple of days and then suddenly he's like a little food vacuum cleaner!

Anyway. Now I want some carrot cake.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 29 18:24:11 2019 165.225.38.81)
Chris Marlowe: We're having kind of a cold spring here. Hasn't really "sprung" yet. It's been cooler than usual on average and rainy.

But we're getting there!

Wolguard/GOT: Everybody at work was talking about GOT today. :-)

For the record: ( GOT SPOILERS!! GAHHH! : )
1. Mrs Cooper and I both kinda figured Arya was gonna kill the Night King. Totall called that.
2. We, and most of the people here at work, were nervous several times throughout the ep. It looked like there was no way anybody was going to escape. But that leads into..
3. We figured, this was IT: Character, important ones, were GOING to die. If any ep was the one where this would happen, this was it. And then..
4. Nobody really important died except Jorah. Yeah, fairly major character but not core to the plot.
5. Which leads us to believe that now the major character deaths we anticipated are still waiting ahead.
6. As an afterthought, we were surprised they let so much happen in one ep. IE, there were at least 3 times in the ep we thought the screen would go dark and we'd have to wait till next week. But they pretty much let the whole battle play out, including the defeat of the night king. Which is tough to figure out. After that, what? Where are they going with this? I though the night king's death would be THE climax end of the series. So they obviously have more to tell.


So now I'm even more interested to see how they play this out.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Apr 29 18:19:31 2019 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
The Museum Of Bad Art's public gallery is in the basement of the Somerville Theater in Somerville, Massachusetts



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 29 17:41:31 2019 71.199.128.40)
Rayne,

What have you learned over the rewatches? How will it shape your fanfics?




Spoiler for Game of Thrones, "The Long Night" (8.3)

((~Tiny Assassin for the Win!~ *G*

I have to pat myself on the back in public. *g* I made eight specific
predictions about this episode and got 5 right and 3 wrong. A 60% success
rate. *g*

But there was a time or two during the episode when I was scared. *g*
))



WG



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Rayne says:
(Mon Apr 29 17:22:55 2019 73.178.190.19)
Wolfgard,

Yes. BtVS. Started over for the 5th
time. Wanted to get a fresh view to
write ffs.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 29 12:39:26 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Art
Question: What city would you find the Museum of Bad Art?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Apr 29 12:24:05 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, April 29th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Gunther
Wiggins
Comma
Kali56
Malachi

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to [b?Gunther, Wiggins, Comma. Kali56
Malachi



Jinx? If you and Dreg have been using my moisturizer again I'm going to have to rip off your scaly- hey, what's the deal with your face? Glory, 'Checkpoint'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 29 12:13:31 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay greengirl!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Apr 29 12:00:23 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greengirl!

yay greengirl!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 29 05:38:39 2019 71.199.128.40)
Spoiler Game of Thrones, "The Long Night" (8.3)

One fan posted ...

((133. TINY ASSASSIN FOR THE WIN!))

*G*


WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 29 03:58:06 2019 70.112.135.184)
Ebdim9th - Good to see you! Anything wondrous going on in your life?

Christopher Marlowe - Are you finally to get some rest?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 29 01:32:24 2019 209.159.255.231)
Hi white wings, Hi Ebdim9th!



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Apr 28 23:41:02 2019 174.235.133.229)
Edited: Sun Apr 28 23:41:57 2019
Heya white wings!.... and Christopher Marlowe too! Amd happy birthday to all you on the list! (sorry that Ginger is no longer with us...)



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white wings says:
(Sun Apr 28 23:17:18 2019 70.112.135.184)
Ebdim9th - Greetings!



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white wings says:
(Sun Apr 28 22:35:36 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Angel of Doom, GoddessInRibbons, griffin spots, Mrs.Pointy, and TLC!

R.I.P. Ginger

Good afternoon Christopher Marlowe!

lostinamerica - I like the effect of string lights myself. You should get some. :-)
The particular house I was remembering had a large covered porch and the lights were pretty large permanent can-style pendant lights hung in rows from about 4 large beams. It was a different effect, but you definitely knew the house was feeling the spring mood.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Apr 28 22:09:32 2019 174.235.133.229)
Greetinz and good afternoon you all everybody!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 28 21:29:44 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, April 28th 2019 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Angel of Doom
Elisabeth Rohm as Lt. Kate Lockley
GoddessInRibbons
ginger
griffin spots
Mrs.Pointy
TLC

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angel of Doom, Elisabeth Rohm as Lt. Kate Lockley, GoddessInRibbons, ginger, griffin spots, Mrs.Pointy, TLC



We're still working on a plan, but so far it involves being sent to prison and becoming somebody's *****. Fred, 'Ground State''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 28 14:44:33 2019 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Apr 28 11:35:07 2019 73.58.128.92)
white wings--I love string
lights over a porch, I'm gonna have
to get me some :)

We've also been enjoying the spring
weather, darn--that means the
200,000 people in town for the NFL
draft enjoyed it too and will be
back, grrr, arrgh. . .



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 28 06:05:20 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

One of the better lessons and scenes in BtVS. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Apr 28 03:31:28 2019 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Astro Cat and Skittery!


Christopher Marlowe - I don't know about anyone else, but there might have been sleeping involved. However, it was delightful outside, especially in the evening. There was a light breeze that blew away the insects. The sky was clear, and the sunset was one of those pink-orange glows across the horizon. I walked around a golf course, and people were barbequing on back porches, there were porches lit with rows of pendant lights from the beams, a party with many young people of child and young teenage sizes running around and shrieking happily, carrying odd looking things on the golf course, with strange looking things that I think were blow up rectangles and cylinders and a tent-shaped one, and a quiet house with a row of pink LED lights on the wrought-iron fence. The local deer were nowhere to be seen. One suspects that they found happy humans just a bit disconcerting.

Fortunately the breeze was wrong for me to smell the BBQ. It has an effect on me much like that of a full moon on a werewolf. I'm not even a frequent BBQ eater, but the scents from the grills bring on a primitive desire to slaver, follow them to their source, and fling myself on the the meat. I have so far controlled myself, otherwise my posting frequency would be even less. ;-)

What were you doing out in the spring day/evening?

wolfguard - That was politics. Non-denominational politics. *g*

Buffy
Power. I have it. They don't.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 28 02:04:20 2019 209.159.255.231)
I hope folks are not posting
because they are having too much
fun outside today (like me)!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Apr 27 15:01:46 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, April 27th 2019 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Astro Cat
Skittery

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to [bAstro Cat and Skittery!



Buffy: Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy. Xander: I think I liked it more when you were kicking me in my puffy groin.
'I Was Made To Love You'


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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 27 09:30:09 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

Tomorrow (well, later today *g*) politics. For now ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54l3nHmw-Q


GILES
(cough)
Retroactive


*g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Apr 27 05:51:45 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay KAM!

Happy Birthday Chris Talbot, _doppelganger_, Genevieve, Lissa, MedusA, MeeB, Portia, and TMorel!

Christopher Marlowe - Fridays are nice.

wolfguard - You're welcome. I don't know the ins and outs of the Arthur Anderson business. I think I saw somewhere in a google that it had to do with intent or knowledge of committing a crime. But a 9-0 reversal from the Supreme Court is a pretty strong "Ur doin it wrong" signal. A whole lot of people were hurt by a prosecutor who was doing it wrong, and a few people went to prison for a while before being freed by the Supreme Court reversal.

Your saying "Democrats fall in love (with a candidate) and Republicans fall in line (with a candidate)." may once have been true, but I think it's time to come up with a new one. Republicans haven't been falling in line very well since the Tea Party, and while a fairish number of people in the party are standing beside Trump now, it's been hard won support. There are some serious malcontents. It's seemed to me like herding cats in Congress. The Democrats may look at the moment like the Republicans did in 2016, but they've been marching in lockstep behind declared leaders pretty much this entire century. No one votes against the party line without special permission, usually having to do with local voters and impending elections. It's very powerful.

I think you voted contrarian, and always will. *g* My voting was very simple. I had one goal, to keep Hillary out of the White House, and my life was much simplified thereby. If the Republicans had nominated Satan I would at least have made a favorable mention of him on the Board. So I borrowed that phrasing, I was feeling grandiose.

Agent Cooper - I have to admit that I'd just as soon not hear of orgies in the White House, but my main problem with Clinton was a visceral response. I found him repellent. I cope well enough with the stories about JFK or our very own State Scoundrel LBJ (whose birthday I dutifully celebrate whenever the state holiday falls on a work day). *g* Of course I didn't hear about them until long after their terms. Others might have.

Trump may be unpredictable to deal with, which is anathema to government bureaucrats, even if they were well disposed. I know, I feed at the public trough (state level). It can be useful in negotiations, so I think it's carefully cultivated. But as you noted, there's a whole lot to like about the economy in the conditions he's worked like a dog to create. Every now and then you'll see some European saying with surprise that their countries are starting to contribute more to their own defense, or that however direct Trump is, they like it better than being lectured by Obama's people. So, we'll see.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 27 01:49:26 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Apr 27 00:14:08 2019 73.58.128.92)
Yay! KAM!


Happy Birthday TMorel!


Belated Yay! Phoenix!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 27 00:08:15 2019 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

I believe one mistake that some Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are making is
thinking their disdain/fear/hate for Trump is shared by most citizens. They
assume all reasonable people automatically feel as they do (it's an
operational definition of 'reasonable'). Proof is in the polling! And yet they
believed the same going into the voting booths in 2016...

Truth in posting: I voted libertarian in 2016.

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Apr 26 21:00:49 2019 165.225.38.81)
Wolfguard: Well, that's the analogy I hear alot IE personal vs professional demeanor especially concerning Trump.

And it's generally true at least for me. IE, I don't care what the bag boy at the supermarket does outside work. :-) As long as he packs my groceries quickly and correctly every time. As long as he's not some kind of serial killer or something, I could care less what he does at home. :-)

In the same vein, I don't care much what the president does in private either. That's up to him, his wife and his God. My taxes are lower, the economy is roaring and the unemployment rate is lower than it's been in 50 years or something, so my company is profiting. (I'm in the recruiting biz.)

As long as he keeps doing what he was hired for he can sleep with whomever he wants to and tweet whatever he wants. :-)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 26 18:43:19 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

Yours is a very conventional analysis with reasonable odds to happen. That
said, Hilary was seen as the nominee-in-waiting before the 2008 primaries
got rolling. One reply to this is that surprise candidate, Obama, was viewed
as farther to the left than Clinton and therefore this might be true for
2020.

The Democrats have a few center-left candidates younger than Biden - much
younger, but not youths - but it's hard to spell their names. *g*

I've always liked the saying, "Democrats fall in love (with a candidate) and
Republicans fall in line (with a candidate)." These days I hear Democrats
saying they just want the candidate who has the best odds of beating Trump.
OTOH, I haven't heard young Democrats saying so.

American society cannot be divided where everyone's interests will fall
neatly into one or two political parties. The two parties can only work to
make themselves look more attractive to more people than the other party.
1

One obstacle are single issue voters. Another related issue is many voters
vote a brand and brand loyalty has a strong emotional basis. Such voters
tend to stick to one party and it doesn't much matter who the candidates
are. I don't think many voters actually make a pro and con list for all
those running for a nomination and then weight them against one another. It
just might be possible some voters do this in a general election.


There appear to have been a significant number of voters who did not like
some Trump's traits and behaviors, but believed he would work towards their
political goals. I recall one historian who compared two politicians from
the around 1900. One was a good family man, but used his office to enrich
himself and his cronies. The other was a bad family man, but an honest and
effective politician. People can be flexible, adjusting their behaviors to
their roles. We are not as consistent as we often believe we are.

1 Or from cynical point of view, less unattractive than the other
party.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Apr 26 15:05:05 2019 165.225.38.81)
Wolfguard:

The dems are in a real pickle this cycle. Their party is fractured.

Their only hope to win the general is somebody like Biden, who can possibly sell himself as a somewhat middle of the road candidate and capture the average LIV. But Biden is done already. METOO finished him off before he even started.

And even if that's not true, anybody who is even slightly middle of the road will be stomped in the primary in a party that has been pulled very far left. So far left in fact that almost nobody selected can pass the increasingly selective progressive litmus test.

Biden is, as in your quotes, seen as an old, white CIS male. No way the fierce young ultra woke socialist SJW wing of the party will vote for him, some establishment neo lib tool of the patriarchy.

So whoever is nominated will have to have stumped on an extreme far left platform all through the primary race, and then suddenly pivot to appeal to a more middle of the road voter without looking like a sham to the base. It'll be tricky to say the least.

And anyway, the pragmatic DNC establishment will likely ignore the far left wing of the party and pick the nominee THEY want regardless of primary voting like they always do, through their crony superdelegate system and some back room coin flips. (See 2016)

So it will probably be Biden, which will enrage the "Justice" democrats and drive them to either not vote or vote for write ins or some hip, "woke" third party candidate in protest.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Apr 26 11:55:19 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, April 26th 2019 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Chris Talbot
_doppelganger_
Genevieve
Lissa
MedusA
MeeB
Portia
TMorel

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Chris Talbot, _doppelganger_, Genevieve
Lissa, MedusA, MeeB, Portia, TMorel



You all gonna be here when I wake up? Mal, 'Out Of Gas'

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Apr 26 11:46:42 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kam!

yay kam!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 26 06:50:09 2019 71.199.128.40)
Christopher Marlowe,

The following are not my thoughts, but what I've heard from pundits over the
past week or so ...

(1)Bernie Sanders

Pro: He's raised a lot of money from small donors.

Con: He's no longer the only ~Democratic Socialist~ in the party and he's
old.


(2) Joe Biden

One politician or political operative ran through a litany of votes lost to
Trump in some of the key states in the 2016 election. He believed these are
voters who are attracted to Biden. If "we', the Democrats, can hold to the
states we got in 2016 and those lost voters switch back, because the like
Biden, then we can win in 2020. I believe this pundit was also the one who
said Biden being closer to the center would win more voters than the far
left wing of the party can win. He believed part of Trump's 2020 strategy
will try to brand the Democratic Party as the Democratic Socialist party and
this would be easier to do if the Ocasio-Cortez type candidate was
nominated.


Con: Old White Guy (If he won, he'd be 78 when sworn in). Counter: Age isn't
as important his actual health, etc.

Con: White Guy. Another pundit said the Democrat party is a diverse party
and a white guy candidate doesn't reflect that diversity.



Personal Thought: Since "The 13 Keys" has successfully forecast ~ 7 or 8
presidential elections. The foundation of its success is history shows
presidential elections are referendums on the party in power and there is
very little the challenging party can do achieve a win. Essentially the
party in power has to defeat itself by poor performance.

If one is a Democrat or Progressive this probably comes across as
reassuring, because they see Trump's presidential performance as the
standard for failure. However, performance here is not measured by whether
or not one agrees with a policy or program, but whether or not a president
can make things happen. Trump has had some successes that matter to his core
supporters. If there are enough of them to win in enough states to garner
270 electoral votes, then he has a second term.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 26 06:23:39 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

Thank you for the background. I will take a look. I watched a video of a Q&A
with an author on a book of Enron (Smartest Guys in the Room?). Enron's
top executives were negligent and/or criminal. Arthur Anderson failed in doing
its job. I think some of the big accounting firms let their consulting
divisions overrule their auditing divisions. You want our consulting business,
then give us the benefit of the doubt in the audit. It didn't even have to be
said. That's my current take.

WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Apr 26 02:09:54 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Phoenix!

Happy Birthday Brenda, Brittany, Danaan, Evil Anya, galena, GurlGreen, justjo, Lexdra, PlainDave, WindblownWillow, and xxM!

wolfguard - I remembered your point (4) of information to be redacted as being information on individuals who were being investigated but ultimately not charged. It may just be a difference of emphasis. I was amused because the people who would have to face the fury of Democrats were Mueller and Rosenstein.

Mueller was part of an investigation in Boston related to Whitey Bulger that sent 4 men to prison who were innocent of the crime they were accused of and kept them there. Rumor had it that they knew the men were innocent, but framed them to protect someone else. Two died in prison. Their families received some rather large settlements. My brother told me that it was a well-known story in Boston when he lived there, but I found it in a sleepy google "Mueller Whitey Bulger".

Andrew Weissmann was part of the Enron investigations, and obtained some convictions that were reversed by 9-0 decisions of the Supreme Court, but in the process he destroyed Arthur Anderson and put many thousands of people out of work.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 26 01:42:02 2019 107.77.173.3)
Wolfguard

Do you have thoughts on either
Bernie or Biden?
.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Apr 26 00:44:49 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: States
Question: The Common Loon is the official bird of what state?
Answer: Minnesota

Trivia Bird Watcher: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Any Loon: Agent Cooper *g*



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Apr 26 00:20:45 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay phoenix!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 25 23:00:08 2019 4.28.180.2)
Rayne,

BtVS? Bargaining 1.

WG



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Rayne says:
(Thu Apr 25 18:37:45 2019 73.178.190.19)
Watching S6, EP 1 right now.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Apr 25 18:25:34 2019 199.127.148.4)
"Eric walked into the room. I looked at Barbara, Barbara looked at him, he looked at me, we all looked at John-Thomas, John-Thomas looked at the king, the king looked a the mayor, and the mayor just sat, staring into space. None of us had any desire to ask him what he thought he was seeing in that space."



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 25 18:17:17 2019 71.199.128.40)
Edited: Thu Apr 25 18:17:45 2019
Agent Cooper,

Your, Okay, seriously ... and I want to share it with you. It's called
Scientology!
"

LOL!!!

That is all.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Apr 25 14:40:41 2019 165.225.38.81)
Lostinamerica: They started it! Thhhppptt!



Okay, seriously though now I want to tell you all about something that's really changed my life, and I want to share it with you. It's called Scientology!


Heh. Just kidding...



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Apr 25 14:35:36 2019 165.225.38.81)
Trivia Girl: It depends. Are we talking about the African Common Loon, or the European Common Loon?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Apr 25 14:07:32 2019 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Minnesota



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Apr 25 13:55:55 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for phoenix!

yay phoenix!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 25 12:38:12 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: States
Question: The Common Loon is the official bird of what state?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Apr 25 12:16:57 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, April 25th 2019 C.E.

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays!


Brenda
Brittany
Danaan
Evil Anya
galena
GurlGreen
justjo
Lexdra
PlainDave
WindblownWillow
xxM

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Brenda, Brittany, Danaan, Evil Anya
galena, GurlGreen, justjo, Lexdra, PlainDave, WindblownWillow, xxM



Joyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort. 'Into the Woods'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 25 12:09:16 2019 209.159.255.231)
white wings Typical spring weather here. A bit of rain, a bit of cloudy days, but I can live with it quite happily for a while. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 25 06:57:04 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

Just before the Mueller report was released I recall more than one
commentator or reporter listing what types of information had to be redacted
either for reasons of law or policy ...

(1) Grand Jury testimony and related (I believe this is required by law)

(2) Information involving sources and methods (to protect intelligence
operations)

(3) Information that might jeopardize ongoing investigations (bow to
pragmatism)

(4) Information that might intrude on the privacy of individuals (This is my
memory of the description of this type of information)

I suspect Mueller wasn't surprise about what had to be redacted.



Your, ... Some of them, including Mueller, have a history of destroying
people to get to their main goal....
". Do you recall specific
individuals?




WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Apr 25 03:23:51 2019 70.112.135.184)
*wanders in, waves at Christopher Marlowe and lostinamerica

Christopher Marlowe - How's your weather? I had sheeting rain, with ponding everywhere except where rivulets were running. 2 inches and change. I did not go out until late.

lostinamerica - Yeah, well, it seems that politics is the new religion. It also puts some posts on the board. It was a slow day. *g*


mmm, I seem to have hit a very tender bit of leftover Easter Roast Beast. That was pleasing.



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Apr 25 02:41:25 2019 73.58.128.92)
What's this on the board,
politics?

What's next, religion?


Yay! Cashmere!


Happy Birthday Trinity!


Belated Yay! halfrek!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 25 02:33:08 2019 209.159.255.231)
I am still hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 25 01:06:23 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was angel's 100th
episode?
Answer: You're Welcome

Trivia Script Doctors: notsoShyGirl
Trivia scriptless: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 25 00:20:02 2019 209.159.255.231)
home!



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white wings says:
(Wed Apr 24 21:22:55 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay Cashmere!

Happy Birthday Battle Kitten, Cian(I'm Irish), Del, Jaxom, Trinity, and weebeasties!

wolfguard - I can't prove that you grew fangs and sank them into that guy behind the diner the other night, but you might have, or you might have had the intent. You post on a board for vampire enthusiasts, which is very suspicious. Stamped: NOT PROVEN. *g*

If Mueller's group could have put people on the rack to get evidence, they'd have done it. Some of them, including Mueller, have a history of destroying people to get to their main goal. And they had access to all the papers and staff that they wanted. If the worst they could come up with is "not proven", that's pretty darned unscathed. I thought it was hysterical that Barr had Rosenstein and Mueller making the redactions, and Rosenstein standing behind him as he held his news conference.

But of course it's a springboard for further "investigations". It was always going to be, no matter what Mueller reported.

Agent Cooper - I do agree with you about Trump, but it's not a universal truth. For some people it's about power, and Trump isn't as wealthy as some men. If he wanted to use the power, it could be a springboard to phenomenal gain. Over time it might be even if he doesn't try. The presidential salary would be peanuts (relatively). Well, a bit less than Bill Clinton's speaking fees from the Russians around the time his wife helped sell them a fifth of our uranium supply. ;-)

Nancy Pelosi's tax returns might look pretty clean. I don't like her, but she's not stupid. An audit of Auntie Maxine's activities might be more interesting, if you could get all the books. But that may just be my irritation speaking after listening to wails of "Impeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaach 45" from before the inauguration. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 18:35:54 2019 71.199.128.40)
Agent Cooper,

Bush W. was treated as a fool and his opponents demanded he be tried as a
war criminal.

The Clintons' opponents accused them of being behind multiple deaths. And
Clinton was impeached.

Obama's opponents accused him of being a Trojan Horse for Islam and/or this
or that New World Order. Some said he was conniving to run for a third term,
perhaps seeking to be the last president.

I've monitored publications of books about current presidents. The last 26
years have been gravy for writers attacking presidents: 8 years of Clinton,
8 years of Bush, 8 years of Obama. A generation of writers living off the
fears and hates of one half of the electorate.

Note: Democrats should focus on 8 + 8 + 8 and ask, "As much as each one was
hated, they still won a second term." What's up with that?


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 24 18:30:05 2019 165.225.38.81)
Notsoshygirl: Yeah, maybe but:

You're Welcome = Zero Puppets

Smile Time = PUPPETS!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Apr 24 14:44:17 2019 206.124.19.175)
Edited: Wed Apr 24 14:44:51 2019
Trivia Girl
You're Welcome



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 24 14:22:07 2019 165.225.38.81)
White Wings: Trump gives his salary as president away. He doesn't need it.

He didn't have to run. He didn't have to be president. Nobody needs the stress. He could have bought his own island (or chain of islands!) and retired on it a long time ago.

He has put up with more vitriol and nastiness than any president ever. That job is tough enough for anybody, but on top of that he's under constant political and personal attack, every hour of every day.

He could have quit. He didn't. He cares.

BTW as I said, Trump gives away his pay as president. He doesn't need more money, he's not in it to get rich like most politicians.

Nany Pelosi has been in congress for how long now? She's never owned or built anything, been a public servant most of her life and yet somehow she's worth millions, probably more. I want to see HER tax returns...



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 24 14:11:42 2019 165.225.38.81)
Trivia Girl: Smile Time!

Actually, I don't really know if that's right. But I guessed that one because PUPPETS!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Apr 24 12:43:26 2019 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial PUrsuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was angel's 100th episode?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Apr 24 12:12:16 2019 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, April 24th 2019 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Battle Kitten
Cian(I'm Irish)
Del
Jaxom
Trinity
weebeasties

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Battle Kitten, Cian(I'm Irish), Del
Jaxom, Trinity, weebeasties



ara: 'Your One-Stop Spot to Shop for Lots of New-Age and Occult Items.' Catchy. Giles: Think so? Tara: Uh huh. In a... hard to say sorta way. 'Shadow''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 12:01:29 2019 209.159.255.231)
yay cashmere!

I would have no problem with any of the scoobies being on jury, with the exception of Anya. Not to sure she would make a good juror.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Apr 24 11:53:51 2019 100.6.180.182)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for cashmere!

yay cashmere!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale justice system - yes, we have one

have any of the scoobies been on a jury... and would you want them on your jury if you were the defendant?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 06:31:10 2019 71.199.128.40)
White Wings,

I don't think Trump came away from the Mueller report "unscathed". Mueller
appears to have rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proven" and now the
Democrats are looking to prove it with their various investigations.

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Apr 24 03:56:10 2019 70.112.135.184)
Yay halfrek!

Happy Birthday *~*Anna*~*, ABG, Bruce's Mom, Cooks43, FelisFini, Lady Wolfsbane, lasahana, TheMayor, Verinthalia's son, Violet, and Vivian!

wolfguard - I thought I read that the Ukranian comic played a teacher who became a president, but I could be wrong about it.

A lot of folks paid more attention to what Trump was like at Hollywood Rich People's parties, hanging out with likes of Harvey Weinstein and the Democratic donors, than to what he'd been like making business deals. It was a lot of folk's assumptions about Trump and the people who voted for him that caused them to be so astounded when he won. It has caused them to be astounded that he emerged from the Mueller investigation unscathed, even though he gave a team of rabidly partisan investigators everything they asked for except an in-person perjury entrapment opportunity. I'm astounded by that. You'd think that in over a million documents they'd have found evidence of some peccadillo without having to rattle people into lying to them or going back to 2005. But the Democrats aren't finished. Time will have to make the final pronouncement.

It's just possible that Trump will run again because he cares what happens to the country, and what will happen to it if the Democratic Socialists win. Also he's very much a type A personality.

Christopher Marlowe - I expect that both men will find it rather amusing. You probably won't have to just imagine the meeting for all that long, either. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 03:48:01 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It's possible Trump wouldn't run if he weren't concerned about what might
happen to him legally once he left office. I cannot understand why anyone in
their 70's would want to spend those years as president. I don't know why
anyone would vote for a 70+ year old candidate of any party. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 03:42:44 2019 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard 2020 will be quite the interesting year, politically. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 02:26:49 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It'd be dangerously easy to make mistaken assumptions about a comedian who
became president, so I'm not making any assumptions without further knowledge.
*g*

As to President Trump, it was a lot of folks' assumptions about him as a
candidate that made it easier for him to win. There's more to "Trump" than the
man and once many Democrats realize that, then they may have a better chance
of defeating him in 2020.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 02:16:54 2019 107.77.173.7)
Wolfguard

Oh wow. Just tried to imagine trump
meeting the new Ukrainian leader.

What a meeting of media minds



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 02:06:40 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I have to read-in on Ukraine domestic politics and recent election.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 02:00:51 2019 107.77.173.7)
Wolfguard

Id rathet be partying too.

As to the ukraine i guess well find
out who the joke will be on
somectime later.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 01:56:29 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

There appear to be different takes on what Wilde meant. The one I took came
from Fabian Socialism (English). They believed social progress could be had
through rational discussion and the democratic process, but it took people
meeting and hashing issues out. Wilde rather be partying.

I know very little about the Ukrainian comedian turned president other than
hearing that as a comic he played the role of a comic who became president. Or
perhaps I'm confusing reality with fiction? *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 00:59:35 2019 107.77.173.7)
Wolfguard

I saw that the ukraine elected a
comedian. That'll be something to
watck ..



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 24 00:49:23 2019 107.77.173.7)
Wolf guard

Ha-!

This meetingvos more capitslism
than socislism



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 24 00:46:43 2019 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

"The trouble with socialism is that it takes up too many evenings."

- Oscar Wilde


1 I googled to make sure of the quote. One result was a reddit
thread where a poster identifying self as "u/ teapot-disciple" posted, in
part...

A major objection to libertarian socialism?

The quote is attributed to Oscar Wilde; the point is that having other
people to make decisions i.e. bureaucrats and representatives, frees us up
to live our lives.

Under a decentralised, non-hierarchical, democratic system our lives might
be overburdened with meetings for every aspect of our lives: ...
"



Discuss


*g*



WG


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